Warning: this is not a realist post. It's not even all that serious. But it's Friday, and some of you may appreciate a brief diversion from the more depressing events of the week.

Here's my question: has there ever been a great European rock-and-roll band?

You would think that there would be by now, given the cross-fertilization of musical cultures that has taken place over the past few decades. We've been allied with Europe for a long time, and true rock bands have been touring the place for decades. The Armed Forces radio network used to broadcast lots of rock music too, so it was available to anyone with a radio. If we believe Tom Stoppard, rock music was a powerful cultural force on the continent (including Eastern Europe), just as it was in the United States.

Yet I can't think of a single European band or artist that would be regarded as a major force in the history of rock-and-roll. Obviously I am drawing a sharp distinction here between the United Kingdom and continental Europe. The UK has produced any number of world-class rock bands and artists: the Beatles, Stones, Kinks, Who, U-2, Sex Pistols, Van Morrison, Cream, Elvis Costello, Eurythmics, David Bowie, etc., so my generalization obviously doesn't apply there. And this list appears to confirm that point.

But what about France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Denmark, Sweden? These cultures have produced a number of important jazz musicians (Django Reinhardt, Niels-Henning Orsted-Pedersen) and world-class popular music artists (Edith Piaf) plus a few one-hit wonders (e.g. Golden Earring's "Radar Love") but continental Europe has never produced a rock and roll band of any global significance. And I hope nobody counters by mentioning Abba -- whatever you might think of their music, it ain't rock.

I'm no musicologist, and I know there are other people out there who know more about the music scene than I do (paging Eric Alterman!). And I admit I haven't been keeping up with the scene as much in recent years. (My teenaged son was into some weird Japanese metal bands last year, but none of them seem to have broken out to a larger global following).

So I could be dead wrong about this, and I invite readers to chime in. Am I way off-base here? If there have been some major rock artists from continental Europe, who are they? (Note: I am not saying that there are no good rock bands in Europe; I'm just saying that they don't seem to be emerging as major artists in a global sense).

And if I'm right about the gap, what's the explanation? Is it network theory (i.e., lack of connections to key tastemakers, like the folks at Rolling Stone)? A function of trade patterns? The lingering influence of too much classical music training? American chauvinism?

My own theory, based on absolutely no research whatsoever, is that you can't have rock music without a blues and R & B foundation. Blues and R & B and early American rock and roll spread to England in the 1950s and helped ignite the British rock scene. Result: the British invasion of the 1960s. But blues and R and B were never a large influence on the continent, and it has therefore remained focused on (or to be unkind, mired in) an irretrievably "pop" sensibility.

On a more serious note: does this phenomenon tell us something about the limits of globalization? We can send digital music anywhere now, but that doesn't mean it sprouts and grows everywhere it lands, and national and regional cultures continue to retain a lot of individuality, even in the face of the Internet and the iPod.

 

TIM SERBO

4:35 PM ET

January 9, 2009

influential european rock bands

kraftwerk and can. post-punk would have been very different without their influence. can was hugely influential on david byrne and brian eno's "my life in the bush of ghosts."

 

STEPHEN M. WALT

4:52 PM ET

January 9, 2009

re Kraftwerk

I did think of Kraftwerk but not Can, and I'll concede they had an influence on various other acts. But I don't think of them as a "rock-and-roll" band and they never had a lot of broad appeal. Can is even more obscure, though it's clear they did exert an influence in the way you describe. The wikipedia entries on both bands are instructive. I think my basic point still stands, though, and it's perhaps worth noting that neither Kraftwerk or Can had much (any?) blues or R&B influence in their work. Thanks for writing in! SW
 

PERRY1848

5:16 PM ET

January 9, 2009

THE SCORPIANS!!!

and Nina Hagen maybe. Though the Scorpians were kind of a second rate rock ballad band and Hagen's influence on rock and roll is debatable.

 

TIM SERBO

5:17 PM ET

January 9, 2009

what's a "major force"

rock 'n' roll is in the eye of the beholder, i think, and i don't know what category i'd put either band in if not rock. i'm inferring that your definition calls for a backbeat and flatted 7ths ("blue" notes), which rules out a priori any band that doesn't feature those elements. but a lot of postpunk deliberately and consciously omitted any black influences (see joy division, PiL) and still rocked.

and i'd submit that a band can be a major force without massive sales. mass audiences might not have listened to kraftwerk and can, but other musicians certainly did. blondie had kraftwerk in mind when they recorded "heart of glass," and wilco has recently made overt references to neu and kraftwerk in some of their songs. but, you know, whatever. this is more fun than debating gaza, anyway.

good luck to you and Foreign Policy. the blog-o-plex seems a very shrewd approach. for what it's worth, i was at the K-school for a couple of years, working with David Gergen at the CPL. hated it, hated working for Harvard, though i'm very fond of David. i am sorry, though, that i never got a chance to meet you. i admire the work you and Mr. Mearsheimer are doing.

 

AMBERGLOW

5:28 PM ET

January 9, 2009

how about those Scandinavian groups?

I'm not a rock person, but Sigur Ros and/or Metallica, etc? Do they count?

I agree with you on the continent being more pop -- and dance too -- they've been enormously influential dance-music-wise, from the 60s on.

Spain, tho, has tons of great rock, rock/pop, & guitar-based (rock-ish?) groups -- I guess they're not influential in English-speaking countries tho -- many are enormously popular and very very influential throughout Central and South America -- and more recently the influences go both ways, with Spanish artists picking up Latin-American elements and genres and mixing them in. (wikipedia has info on some of the biggest groups: Spanish_rock)

and Germany was kinda influential in the early-mid 60s too -- there's an amazing band called The Monks that were way ahead of their time -- i think there are youtubes of them.

 

TIM SERBO

6:57 PM ET

January 9, 2009

The Monks were actually four

The Monks were actually four American GIs, but they formed, played and (i think) recorded in germany. they certainly were amazing. who imagined someone could shred on banjo?

 

AMBERGLOW

8:01 PM ET

January 9, 2009

oh -- thanks, tim --

i didn't know they were American (i guess they help prove the point that we spread our own popular culture in every sort of way -- German had so very many of our troops there for so long, and still has tons even now)

It would be interesting to trace the impact that our troops have had all over the world in terms of our culture impacting those societies since post-WW2. (And, of course, it's better that they should spread culture abroad than violence and death, no?)

 

TIM SERBO

8:19 PM ET

January 9, 2009

american GIs had a huge

american GIs had a huge impact on british isles youth with the R&B, jazz, country, and early rock 'n' roll records they brought with them. in places like liverpool, local sailors returning from the u.s. added to the flood. gotta love them port cities! lots of opportunities for cross-pollination, accidental encounters, all that good stuff.

 

AMBERGLOW

9:18 PM ET

January 9, 2009

i bet that's true for other countries too.

I'll have to search and find out about Continental Europe and Army Bases there.

 

NUR AL-CUBICLE

5:33 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Because Rock and Roll is Dead?

In the mid-1990's, rave, electronic dance (trance, house etc.), drum&bass and ambient edged out R&R out. Hundreds of Continental artists and dee-jays, including Paul Van Dyke (Netherlands), Stephane Pompougnac (France) ...I could go on and on... were, I would say, of global significance. Best of all, such music was big (not just drum and strum, look at me, I'm on stage!) but with strings, horns, chimes, synthesizers etc. that filled you mind and soul.

The events at which this music is played draw thousands of people who participate (literally dance all night) to the music. Having been to such events (specifically London, Ibiza, Spain, but also in San Francisco and Orlando), I think I've experienced many a "globalism" moment, looking around the dance floor to see people from all over the world on the same page, enjoying themselves to the hilt. But here in the USA, the FCC did enforce its "raised eyebrow" rule, and you would never hear any of this on mainstream broadcast radio! Hence, I think it's a good assumption that it would not be aired on Armed Forces radio either.

But again, it must be said that this music came from Detroit, so we are back to the blues and R & B foundation->the exceptional musical heritage bequeathed to us by American Black culture.

 

AMBERGLOW

6:17 PM ET

January 9, 2009

what Nur said! and --

in terms of pop/dance music too, France in the 60s with ye-ye and worldwide stars like France Gall (of Eurovision fame) and Serge Gainsbourg.

and in the 70s, Giorgio Moroder pretty much established what disco sounded like for the whole world too.

 

AMBERGLOW

9:26 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Dance music also tends to be in English --

which must help it spread -- and it's simple English and repetitive, so easy for even non-English speakers to "get")

 

THEKILLERUNIT

5:36 PM ET

January 9, 2009

mishto!

gogol bordello! they're still a relatively recent band, but their stuff is fantastic, unique, and very european - commonly referred to as "gypsy punk." this is always tough to judge, but i think we'll still be listening to these guys well into the future.

here's a great example of their stuff. their energy levels at live performances is off the charts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMtYzF9b6hA

 

ALEXT

5:41 PM ET

January 9, 2009

The Language Factor

Great topic!

I agree with SW's basic observation but think there's a fairly obvious explanation: the English language. This has two mutually reinforcing effects: it allows the rock n roll culture to spread more easily across and within the U.S. and U.K., and it makes us (Americans) more aware of U.S. and British bands. The United States is of course a huge market, so bands that sing in English are likely to be more renowned.

As a "test" of my theory, consider Australia. There are many prominent rock bands: AC/DC, Men at Work, the Little River Band, INXS, Midnight Oil, etc. English is the common variable.

I'm only partially convinced by SW's argument that the blues/R&B influence is what explains the number of good rock bands in the U.S. and U.K. After all, continental Europe loves American blues and R&B, and it's not as if every member of a rock band in the U.S. and U.K. grew up steeped in blues and R&B.

 

MICA

5:52 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Language as a global force

I don't know enough about music to have a say on what make a successful band, but it seems to me that non-english speaking countries start with a disadvantage on the global musical scene.
As an exemple, France has been the second world producer of Hip-hop, but it's not diffused much out of the french speaking world.
In top of that, this kind of music doesn't fit well with the romantic post card (at the contrary of Edith Piaf).

And it is actually easier for non-english speaking band to be diffused when their style fit in with the "post card".
The non-english speaking bands that are renowned in the world tell you a lot about the stereotypes associated with their country of origin (metal in Germany or japan, samba in Brasil,...)

 

E.BURKE

6:02 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Paglia, Justice, Rock n Roll

Hi Stephen -

Camille Paglia has some strong writing on Rock 'n Roll and culture - as you highlighted, she outlines that it is due (in part / among other reasons) to the Blues/ R&B African-American influence, partially the shared US/UK culture - though she puts it much more eloquently than I.

As far as Continental Europe, more recently, France has a couple of popular/good/known electronic/ dance artists (Daft Punk, Justice), though groups like Peter, Bjorn, and John (Norwegian) and other groups from Denmark and Sweden show the growing musical/rock/pop influence of Scandinavia. Excepting the Death Metal presence in Scandinavia (which finds a home in the rough, cold, Viking'd North), Continental Europe rock often incorporates electronic or ambient elements which makes clear cut categorization more difficult.

 

EVOLUSHAWN

6:08 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Sweden has produced some

Sweden has produced some extremely popular punk and metal, but I guess you'd only consider it popular if you're into punk and metal. Good examples would be The Refused, Millencolin, and Meshuggah. From Iceland, we have Bjork and Sigur Ros, but I'm not sure if you would consider them "rock." Beyond that, the Scorpions are really all I can think of. As much as we make fun of them today, let's not forget just how big they were in the 80s. MTV even gave them the nickname "The Ambassadors of Rock" in '84. They're not the Beatles, but when the public craved cheese metal, no one did it better than them.

 

MARKH

6:11 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Nuggets?

Dr. Walt,

If you guys are not aware of it already, you and your son should check the second Nuggets box set. It's a collection of various Anglo-American rock, R&B, and psychedelic bands from Europe and the former British Empire, 1964-69:

http://www.amazon.com/Nuggets-II-Original-Artyfacts-British/dp/B00005JGA7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1231524092&sr=1-2

It does not contain any bands that fit your "major force" category but there are some great Stones/Kinks style tunes from various Dutch, Swedish, Spanish, etc bands. My dad turned me onto the first Nuggets box set - the American one with "Dirty Water" and so on - when I was in high school and it was eye-opening.

Love the new blog, I have checked it every day this week...keep up the good work!

Mark

 

NYC_CHARLES

6:31 PM ET

January 9, 2009

English, Pop

Two things:

First, I agree with those above who say English has a lot to do with it. Though I'm not sure if it's that (a) English-speaking cultures are more likely to produce rock than non-English-speaking cultures or (b) English-speaking cultures are less willing to listen to or purchase music in other languages. I think (b) is at least as important as (a).

Second, while we don't think of Europe as having a strong "rock" culture, there is quite a lot of European pop, especially electronica-inspired pop. Not a lot of it makes its way to the US, but there are probably a few hits a year (pretty much always in English). Think of Abba, the Cardigans, Eiffel 55, TaTu, etc., and to some degree more experimental performers like Bjork.

 

CGLEEK

6:49 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Oh, Prof. Walt you have finally failed me.

After spending late nights/early mornings in the library embracing Origins of Alliances and introducing my high school students to IR through "One World, Many Theories," you've finally disappointed me with your point that the limits of globalization lies in a one-sided proliferation of popular music. A number of people (above) have all made excellent suggestions, but I'll offer one example of a significant, continental European band; Refused.

Arguably, Refused's 1998 album The Shape of Punk to Come was one of the best records of that decade and this one. The now-defunct Refused (from Sweden) received an amazing amount of both critical and commercial success for this record. So great was their success, and so antithetical was this success to Refused's anarcho/post-punk/hardcore ethics, that the band eventually dissolved.

Refused' "New Noise" track appears in everything from video games, to episodes of 24 to American teen movies (Friday Night Lights). All are clear examples of how the globalization of popular music is not necessarily dominated by artists from either side of the Atlantic.

Besides, your son will love Refused!

 

RENEGADE

7:38 PM ET

January 9, 2009

U2 are not from the UK

Not sure a realist focused on great powers necessarily appreciates this but U2 are from Ireland, not the UK, which is an entirely different country.

 

STEPHEN M. WALT

9:04 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Mea culpa

Absolutely right. My mistake. SW
 

SOLUSARPUS

7:59 PM ET

January 9, 2009

krautrock

"krautrock" is the most important music to come from europe in the post war period- it took musique concrete and avant-garde music (kraftwerk studied under stockhausen) and merged it with rock (brit and american influence) and the new synthesizers to create something amazing- it all comes back to kraftwerk. Bowie and eno broke their necks to be involved in it- eno by collaborating with cluster and micheal rother (from neu!); bowie by moving to berlin (he asked rother to be his lead guitarist but was rebuffed)(and asked kraftwerk to tour with him, but was also rebuffed). the first eurythmics album was recorded with most of can as backing band. conny plank, the super-producer of kraftwerk's autobahn(and a million other great kraut albums) was instrumental in the development of new wave. malcolm mclaren and john lydon of the sex pistols were obsessed with neu! and one can hear it in their music. (neu! were a breakaway from kraftwerk). also look up the stuff that came from berlin's zodiak free arts lab.

I advise all to look at kraftwerk's wikipedia page and follow links from there- they are the greatest european rock band.

 

PANZER

7:59 PM ET

January 9, 2009

HIM?

HIM from Finland.

 

AMBERGLOW

8:08 PM ET

January 9, 2009

influence doesn't equal hit records, so it's hard --

when artists here and in the UK cite influences, it's quite often bands/artists/producers that aren't well-known to us listeners, or big sellers here (and sometimes never even were released here).

 

DJ_83

8:19 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Perhaps it's a function of soft power

I think you alluded to the real reason - it's not that there are not decent bands from continental Europe. It's just that rock is but one niche in the music market. I wouldn't say that blues hasn't taken root (John Mayall still packs venues in central Europe). The success of American and British rock bands - in particular - has made it impossible for European bands to find success outside their home countries.

If you're looking for a rock artist that had a major impact - but limited by geography - consider Plastic People of the Universe in Czechoslovakia, or Plastic Bertrand from Belgium.

 

STEPHEN M. WALT

9:06 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Plastic People

Interesting points. I would note that Plastic People play a major role in the Tom Stoppard play referenced in my initial post.
 

RWB

9:15 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Can, Amon Duul, and the tyranny of English

First, I think Can and Amon Duul II (Germany) were both great bands, although admittedly on the obscure side. Golden Earring (Holland) was a two hit wonder--in the U.S. Internationally, they were superstars.

One big problem with trying to come up with a "great rock bands from Europe (or any non-English-speaking country)" is that unless they recorded their songs in English, you probably have never heard them. Does rock have to be sung in English (and chart in America) to be great? Because if that's the case, some of my favorite rock bands and performers--Os Mutantes, Legiao Urbana, Gustavo Cerati, etc.--don't count. I've heard really cool sounding rock music from Germany, the Netherlands, Hungary and all over Latin America. Most of it was not in English, and therefore has not been played on the radio in the U.S.

I would therefore suggest that it is not the lack of blues roots that keeps you from hearing great non-Anglo-American rock, but the lack of English lyrics.

 

Z

10:15 PM ET

January 9, 2009

Tsktsktsk

I hope you fill the remainder of your Friday to the rock hard tunes of "Rammstein" and the epically cool "Apocalyptica" - both conveniently located through YouTube.

 

JF

1:06 AM ET

January 10, 2009

Venus

Shocking Blue, maybe.

 

TIAGODF

1:17 AM ET

January 10, 2009

Magma anyone?

Just remembered A-Ha (Take on Me and so on). What about the French gods of progressive rock, Magma? Aside from Rock'n'Roll it should be noted that there would be no black metal were it not for the Nordic countries (plus the band Venom in the UK, obviously).

I fully agree with the English language as being the main obstacle to the growth of most continental european great bands.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

12:42 AM ET

January 11, 2009

Regional cultures??!!

Stephen,
it is really nice to see you have at least noticed that regionally there might be differences between cultures and some other related socio-politico-economic peculiarities;-))
Your are coming closer to the _reality_ of SPEEs with this not so realist post.

Yeah Stephen, try to post not a realist ones. For example say there exists out there not so real but somehow identifiable entities. Identifiable according to their laws, leadership, culture, race, language, economic resources, etc, however we ignore them and artificially try to impose singularity to their multiplicity to assimilate them and reduce them to monotony under the umbrella of so called globalisation.
Yeah we impose them
One law (soemthing like a prototype Constitution)
One land (the Globe is quite nice size of land)
One leadership (pick your choice of Ceasar)
One nation (jumble (mixed in a confused mass) of Global citizens)
Heil Ceasar!

naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret!

Stephen please keep on posting such _not realist posts_, otherwise we expect you to add your postings "..is a realist post according to the Constitution of..."

Thanks Mate, you made my weekend;-),
Grand Sen~or

 

JAMC

3:53 AM ET

January 10, 2009

I guess Iceland isn't continental Europe, but...

While Iceland isn't technically on the continent, it has produced Bjork and Sigur Ros. Bjork has been a major artist for at least 15 years (more if you count The Sugarcubes), and even though Sigur Ros may not have global name-recognition, you've heard their music if you tune in to the BBC. Additionally, Sigur Ros do not sing in English; sometimes they sing in Icelandic, other times in gibberish.

While Bjork and Sigur Ros are not traditional rock, they take the basic concepts of the genre and push the music's boundaries into new directions. In recent years have become increasingly influential in rock music.

 

RMFITZGERALD

6:04 AM ET

January 10, 2009

Scorpions

I'm going to have to chime in with the others who have mentioned Scorpions as a great European rock band. Their newer stuff may be pathetic but Scorpions' most popular (and arguably best) work - No One Like You, Rock You Like a Hurricane, Sill Loving You, Wind of Change, etc - are 80s hard rock anthems.

 

ADEBISI

2:54 PM ET

January 10, 2009

Of couse an American would

Of couse an American would only know American and British artists. Especially when dealing with a paleolithic and deeply conservative genre concept as 'rock' or 'rock'n'roll'.

Music is a bit like university rankings and academia. It's much easier to get your stuff published in the right journals if you are a natural English speaker. Of course univerties from the English speaking countries top the rankings as long as English is the lingua franca. And it doesn't hurt your chances if you are affiliated with, say, a well-renowned US university.

It's the same mechanism in rock music. Of course is easier for US or British musicians to write lyrics and sing in English. And it doesn't hurt either if you live in for instance London. Which of course is why so many artists from the continent move there. Maybe your little thought experiment need to include UK-based bands with a continetal background. I'll bet you're going to find quite a lot of French, German or Swedish artist giving it a go in Camden Town. Actually, the most important band ever - My Bloody Valentine - is Irish, but based in London.

However, just like English language Academic journals aren't nessecarily better than non-English, US or UK rock isn't automatically of better quality than, say, French rock. My point is: There are a lot of great bands in Continental Europe that a poor professor in Massachusetts won't ever get to know, simply because he doesn't understand French or German.

All that said, the main problem is that you limit your definition of music to 'rock'. This genre has it roots in the US, which therefore naturally dominates the field. Limiting your taste to rock is terribly regressive, especially as pop is the new avantgarde. And if you broaden your search a little, you'll find that France and Germany has been home to many groundbreaking electronica/house artists the last 20 years. Sweden has dominated the indiepop scene for years, just check the music blogs.

 

NMPOKE1

3:45 PM ET

January 10, 2009

Sweden?

While certainly not massive in the U2 sense, I would say that The Hives from Sweden are pretty darn successful, as were, though less so, the Cardigans (definitely a rock band, listen to their recent single "I Need Some Fine Wine"), both from Sweden.

Also The Raveonettes from Denmark are really great and commercially successful, although they pay heavy homage to 60s Phil Spector type of music, with lots of guitar distortion.

I agree with the argument that its mostly because of English that Walt's argument seems to be the case.

Bjork is great, but not rock at all.

 

LAW929

6:47 PM ET

January 10, 2009

Rock Bands

I would say that your theory is very strange.

American pop culture is an all-pervasive phenomenon. The extent to which our culture spreads abroad is very different from the ability of other countries pop culture to permeate the United States. Other countries have adapted to this by publicly promoting their own pop in competition to ours. For instance take Japanese Manga (or Iron Chef), the French film industry, or even German Haute Culture with the Goethe Institute. Each of these major countries have made ardent efforts to promote their culture beyond their borders.

Our music industry, and I find this funny for someone who helped write a major essay on a political lobby to not note this, is dominated by lobbyists, such as the RIAA. While I am only guessing, the RIAA and the major record labels are probably very capable of shaping and narrowing the music listened to by American audiences. They are probably guided by a philosophy of what can make them the most money and what they think we like, which is "All-American." That there are no major European rock and roll bands may be a product of the music industry rather than the lack of globalization per se.

As far as major rock bands, I think U2 is the most obvious. Lately there have been a major insurgence of Swedish bands in the US in the indie-rock scene: take Peter, Bjorn and John or Jose Gonzales. Posts above mentioned Sigur Ros, as well. Great French rock bands are Louise Attaque and Noir Desir. True they may not be in Cleveland, but they exist and people love them.

You should also keep in mind that classic "rock and roll" (which very well may be a relic of the 1960s- 70s) is very different from the music scene today. Take one of the most successful bands of the 1990s and today: Radiohead. One would be hard pressed to call them a "Rock and Roll" band, rather than say Indie Rock or even Electronic, but their influence on the music scene cannot be questioned. Or take our own pop culture and the influence of Latin music: Ricky Martin, Shakira, Ozomatli, the Buena Vista Social Club, Manu Chao and Seu Jorge. Most music lovers know at least a few of those names, and its not "rock and roll."

 

SETH EDENBAUM

3:02 AM ET

January 11, 2009

Rhythm and Blues, Country and Western,

Rock and Roll, Reggae and all their derivations are the music of the Afro-English/Celtic working class. Products of the English class system and colonialism, in the US and Jamaica and to a lesser extent (less racial mixing) anglophone Africa, In the British Isles themselves include Music Hall as well. You hear that in everything from the Beatles and the Kinks, to Cream and to Motörhead. 1916

Musics of paradox and contradiction, the sacred and profane, politics and anti-politics, aspiration and its opposite. The Sex Pistols' punk was a self-consciously self-destructive commercial product: nihilist. The Clash were pop-leftist.
The Jam were proto-Thatcherite.

This is a modern world - this is the modern world
What kind of a fool do you think I am?
You think I know nothing of the modern world
All my life has been the same
Ive learned to live by hate and pain
Its my inspiration drive -
Ive learned more than youll ever know
Even at school I felt quite sure
That one day I would be on top
And Id look down upon the map
The teachers who said Id be nothing -
This is the modern world that Ive learnt about
This is the modern world, we dont need no one
To tell us whats right or wrong -
Say what you like cause I dont care
I know where I am and going too
Its somewhere I wont preview
Dont have to explain myself to you
I dont give two fucks about your review.

Not exactly the music of social democracy.

 

Z

6:07 PM ET

January 12, 2009

Lordi?

Clearly Mr. Walt should also review the raw metal-love that is Finland's "Lordi."

 

SJC

9:50 PM ET

January 12, 2009

Lordi!

I was coming in to post that, but they're kind of like a gentler GWAR (American), aren't they? Still, so much love for Lordi. Hard Rock Hallelujah is awesome - and I learned about them through an American website.

Also, props for Scorpions and Rammstein. The latter's Du Hast got a lot of airplay in Canada (for what that's worth.)

 

CHRIS COUGHLIN

3:25 PM ET

February 18, 2009

there are some good bands out there

Noir Desir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F8FP2RFhb8&feature=related

Doberman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAH5NwX0uGs

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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