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On Goldberg and Douthat
Over at the Atlantic Web site, Ross Douthat and Jeffrey Goldberg have been giving each other high-fives after an apparent competition to distort what I write. Responding to such criticisms is normally a mug's game, but a few comments seem appropriate at this juncture.
To be frank, it's hard for me to take Goldberg seriously when he writes on Middle East issues. After all, he wrote a 12,000 word review of our book on the Israel lobby that managed to misrepresent its arguments on virtually every page. To take but one example, my coauthor and I wrote that the various groups and individuals that make up the Israel lobby are "engaged in good old-fashioned interest group politics, which is as American as apple pie," and we repeatedly stressed that "lobbying on Israel's behalf is wholly legitimate." What did Goldberg say in his review? After linking us to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran and Osama bin Laden, he told his readers that our book was "the most sustained attack...against the political enfranchisement of American Jews since the era of Father Coughlin." Huh? And then he denounced us as anti-Semites at a public gathering in New York City.
Yet a year or so later, Goldberg himself wrote an op-ed for The New York Times complaining about the pernicious influence of assorted right-wing American Jews, and claiming their political activities were bad for Israel. (Of course, he denied that those activities might also be bad for the United States too, which is odd given his assumption that the interests of the two states are so closely aligned.)
Now Goldberg refers to me as someone who thinks "the Jews start all wars." Does he have any evidence to support this very serious accusation? Of course not. He's just using the same tired smear tactics that Israel's defenders commonly rely on when they can’t refute what someone actually wrote.
If anyone's curious, here's my off-the-top of my head coding of Arab-Israeli wars since 1948:
1948: Palestinian Arabs attack nascent Jewish state; several Arab states eventually join in. Zionists/Israelis win, and approximately 700,000 Palestinians are expelled or flee from the new Jewish state.
1956: Israel, France, and Great Britain attack Egypt. U.S. pressure eventually forces all three to withdraw from the territories they captured in the war.
1967: Israel launches surprise attack on Egypt and then Syria. Jordan foolishly enters the war and loses the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
1969: Egypt launches the "War of Attrition" against Israeli forces along the Suez Canal Zone. Fighting ends via ceasefire agreement in June 1970.
1973: Egypt and Syria launch surprise attack against Israeli forces on the Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula and are eventually repulsed by the IDF.
1982: Israel invades Lebanon and IDF occupies southern portion until 2000.
2006: Hezbollah captures/kills IDF soldiers in cross-border raid, Israel escalates to open warfare against Hezbollah and broader Lebanese society.
So I don't think "the Jews start all wars" and I never did. Maybe Goldberg thinks I "blame the Jews" for the Iraq war. If so, he’s wrong. We did write that the influence of the neoconservatives was one of the main causes of the war, a point that the neocons used to brag about and one that many other writers have made. That claim is simply not very controversial at this point: it was the neocons who dreamed up the idea and pushed it when nobody else was, so it's hard to imagine our doing it absent their influence. We also showed that once Bush was moving towards war, many of the key organizations and individuals in the Israel lobby backed the idea and helped sell it to the American people. But we also made it clear that not all the neocons are Jewish, that they "did not cause the war by themselves," that 9/11 was a critical precipitating event, and that the final decision was made by Bush and Cheney. Most importantly, we pointed out that American Jews were significantly less supportive of the invasion of Iraq than the American population as a whole, and we emphasized that "it would be a cardinal error attribute the war in Iraq to 'Jewish influence' or to 'blame the Jews' for the war."
I've given up expecting Goldberg to get much right on these issues, but it would be nice if he'd stop accusing people he disagrees with of saying things they never said or believing things they never thought.
As for Douthat, he chides Daniel Larison of The American Conservative for saying something mildly favorable about our book, and suggests that one can judge its worth by the "universally negative" reviews it received in the United States. Like Goldberg, he hints that the book is anti-Semitic, though he's a bit more subtle about it.
Douthat is correct that the mainstream reviews of the book were mostly negative, which is hardly surprising if one looks at who was chosen (or agreed) to review it. Given the hot water that Zbigniew Brzezinski got into when he said a few nice things about our original article, one can understand why people who liked the book might have been reluctant to say so in print.
In fact, the pattern of reviews does allow for an admittedly crude test of one of our arguments. We showed that people who criticize Israeli policy or the influence of the Israel lobby are virtually certain to face a firestorm of criticism and personal attacks in the United States. This is partly because such tactics are part of the standard MO for some key actors in the lobby, but also because mainstream media in the United States have tended to be protective of Israel in the past (this may be changing somewhat now). If we are right, one would expect mainstream reviews of our book in the United States to be negative, but reviews elsewhere should be more favorable. And that proved to be the case. For example, eight of the nine major reviews in the United Kingdom were positive and we received numerous favorable reviews elsewhere in Europe. Some might respond by saying that this pattern of evidence is just a sign of lingering European anti-Semitism, but then how does one explain the four positive reviews (one of them positively glowing) that we received in Israel itself, including a lengthy, thoughtful, and generally favorable review in Ha'aretz?
In any case, judging any book -- let alone a controversial one -- simply by ticking off reviews seems like an imperfect way to judge its merits. When I assign books to my students, I really do expect them to read them, and not just go out and crib from somebody's review. So here's a suggestion for those of you who are interested in this issue. Read whatever reviews you want. Heck, go ahead and read Goldberg's own screed. Then get yourself a copy of the actual book, read it, and make up your own mind. Some of you will agree with it; others undoubtedly won't. But if you detect a disconnect between what the reviewers told you about the book's contents and what you read with your own eyes, ask yourself why this is so.









Professor Walt, I would
Professor Walt, I would caution that you avoid commenting on the Israel-Palestine problem so frequently. It makes the comments section of this blog excessively repetitive. Your commentary on other subjects it more interesting, and more informative from an international relations perspective.
Damn
All that ownage, and without even mentioning Goldberg's involvement in the Saddam-al Qaeda links hoax. Impressive.
An excellent take-down post.
An excellent take-down post. Keep up the good work!
what do you think of this "post-Zionism" article?
Jeet Heer at Canada's Nat'l Post -- Losing the PR war and the Diaspora -- http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1158883
(about how younger Jews in North America are far more critical -- Tapped did a post on it, and on how Post-Zionism is better and far less loaded a term -- http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=01&year=2009&base_name=postzionism#112060 )
One supporter
Stephen,
I bought your book as soon as it came out and was immediately impressed by the tone and the amount of information found within. Both you and John made it VERY clear that the book was not an attack on Israel, or even the lobby groups themselve...you merely demonstrated what a powerful influence these groups are and continue to be within our political structure. I've recommended it to numerous workmates and they've all agreed with your conclusions as well...along with generating some much needed open discussion on the issues.
Keep up the great work...there's a reason why my Atlantic subscription ran out a few years ago!
The Atlantic's Ross Douthat on S. Walt's "Experiment" & "Lobby"
From Ross Douthat's Atlantic Weblog:
January 6, 2009
A Jewish Gaza?
Having praised the new Foreign Policy site, let me welcome them to the blogosphere by taking exception to this hypothetical from new-minted FP blogger Stephen Walt, which has been mentioned favorably by Yglesias and Klein as an example of the sort of daring thought that mainstream op-ed pages fail to publish:
"Here's a thought experiment:
"Imagine that Egypt, Jordan, and Syria had won the Six Day War, leading to a massive exodus of Jews from the territory of Israel. . . .
"Here's the question: would the United States be denouncing those Jews in Gaza as "terrorists" and encouraging the Palestinian state to use overwhelming force against them?"
The odd thing is that by Walt's own account, the answer would seem to be "Yes," since presumably the rump Orthodox Gaza - run, perhaps, by Verbover Jews - wouldn't have an all-powerful lobby shaping U.S. policy and public opinion to its specifications. Or am I missing something?
More seriously, this analogy - which Chris Brose critiques elsewhere on the FP site, and which comes complete with the staggering insinuation that the recent bombardment of Israeli towns (as opposed to, say, this business) is the only reason why the United States treats Hamas as a terrorist (sorry, "terrorist") organization - is a reminder of why when I say that the American Right needs a new realism, I really do mean a new realism, because so many of the old realists have failed to distinguish themselves in the debates of the decade just passed. That failure is the subject for an essay, rather than a blog post, but for now let me just say that on the one hand, you had figures in the broad realist firmament (from Henry Kissinger to George Will to Chuck Hagel) lining up to support the invasion of Iraq at a time when the Bush Administration could have used a serious critique from the right (and then acquitting themselves less-than-impressively, in Hagel's case especially, in the debate over what to do with Iraq once things had fallen apart) ... while on the other hand you had figures like Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer deciding that the best way to promote legitimately important "realist" ideas (like, say, that America should be pushing Israel harder to abandon the West Bank settlements, and that American Jews ought to play a more constructive role on this front) was to wrap them up in a farrago of oversimplifications and half-truths, ride the ensuing attention up the bestseller list, and then cry "persecution!" when anyone called them on it.
I admit to some professional bias here, since The Israel Lobby opens with a none-too-veiled insinuation that the Atlantic, which commissioned the original essay and then declined to publish it, did so out of fear of a potential backlash from the Jews the Israel Lobby. I wasn't privy to the editorial decision-making surrounding the piece, so I'm speaking only for myself when I say that we almost certainly rejected the essay because it was lousy - because the analysis it provided on a subject of great moment was indefensibly slanted and wrapped in frankly conspiratorial thinking. Buried within that analysis was the kernel of a good point, which might have made for a good essay in different hands - just as a foreign-policy realism in general might have had a more constructive impact on public debate in the Bush Era (and it did have a constructive impact, I should allow, in many arenas) had it not been associated with such fundamentally unserious figures as Chuck Hagel and, well, the authors of The Israel Lobby.
--Posted 06 Jan 2009 01:09 pm
http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/a_jewish_gaza.php
Ross Douthat seems to be
Ross Douthat seems to be unaware of what "realism" refers to. I think this post would have been better had it been a take down of Douthat: He is clearly out of the loop.
reply to commenter above.
the reason walt has to talk about I/P so often is because people who disagree with him always bring up his Israel book (which was simply one of his many contributions to realist theory).
i have nothing to say about douthat or goldberg. i enjoy their work but they are wrong about walt.
1948 is not so simple
Could not one argue that in 1947-48, it was the militant movements of the Irgun and Haganah that attacked the Arabs?
True, muhyedin
But such an interpretation (more favorable to the zionists) is more evidence against the idea that Stephen Walt is some Israel baiting Jew hater. I'm still not sure I agree with the original article's conclusion (haven't read the book) but the idea that Walt or Mearshimer are anti-semites is a perverse & poisonous one.
details..
Israel began its occupation of Lebanon in 1978, not 1982.
We showed that people who
We showed that people who criticize Israeli policy or the influence of the Israel lobby are virtually certain to face a firestorm of criticism and personal attacks in the United States. This is partly because such tactics are part of the standard MO for some key actors in the lobby, but also because mainstream media in the United States have tended to be protective of Israel in the past (this may be changing somewhat now). If we are right, one would expect mainstream reviews of our book in the United States to be negative, but reviews elsewhere should be more favorable.
I don't really see how this is different from just saying that the climate of opinion about Israel is different in America than it is in Europe, as it is for a lot of subjects. You don't need a "lobby" to harshly criticize someone. I guess this point is probably clearer in your book, though.
I would explain the four positive reviews you got in Israel by the fact that Israel has a Left, and Uri Avnery and Daniel Levy are members of it. Like the Left in other Western countries it tends to be more critical of Israel's actions and more cautious in making accusations of anti-semitism than other political factions. The fact that your book got some positive reviews there means it isn't so anti-semitic that all Jews would recognize it as such, but this is basically no different than saying that J Street liked it or something.
this post ...
I'm a little to late to the game, but i just got around to reading your book. I read Goldberg's review, and to be quite honest, i find your reply to be one of the more dishonest things i've ever read.
In his review, Goldberg makes a number of very ... well ... damning critiques to not only what you said, but how you reached that conclusion. As a scholar, i would expect a colleague to answer with more than hiding behind this: "He's just using the same tired smear tactics that Israel's defenders commonly rely on when they can’t refute what someone actually wrote."
in fact, he wasn't. he was questioning your methodology (not interviewing members of congress/footnotes), your perception of world events, your understanding of history, and the seriousness of which your work should be taken ... you actually never even tried to learn farsi did you? you really think it's this simple?)
your reply places his words at their extreme and distorts (or completely ignores) his points ...
p.s. in 67, you should have started with "egypt bragged for months about how it was going to drive the Jews into the sea, amassed troops, armor, and supplies along the border, and blocked off the suez canal ... then it was a surprise attack by Israel ...
of course, that might be too complex for israel and its supporters as the aggressors ...
oh, and just another comment
oh, and just another comment i couldn't let pass ... instead of jumping from 1982 to 2006 (where you so eloquently say that Israel declared war on the Lebanese people - which they didn't) ... you might have wanted to mention all of those declarations of war from the PLO, Hezbollah, and Hamas.
i can excuse for not remembering each and every one, but the year 2000 seems to be awfully important.
maybe it's the little things.