Palestinian fathers would have been able to prepare their sons for a decent place in life if Zionists had not stolen Palestinian farmlands and driven Palestinian families as refugees to Gaza.

Because far too many Americans Jews have no problems with that ethnic cleansing, Americans in general should have no objection to putting the removal of the Zionist population on the foreign policy agenda. See Why Not Remove Zionist Interlopers?

That said, Professor Walt's questions can be answered by studying Zionist ideology closely.

Not only does my blog entry Friedman Aiding, Abetting Zionist Terrorism point to Greenwald's analysis of Friedman's column, but it also summarizes my conclusion resulting from reading practically all the primary Zionist literature.

The conclusion is quite grim, and one might ask how the Oslo Process could ever have started if I am correct.

The answer is simple. The Zionist leadership both in Israel and in the USA saw no way to overcome the Arab "demographic threat" until the Soviet Union collapsed and one million new (extremely racist anti-Muslim) Russian Jewish immigrants arrived, who made it possible to believe Jewish population growth could compete and who tipped the political demography toward anti-Oslo forces.

After 9/11 US Zionist Neocon intelligentsia found the opportunity to ramp up US Islamophobia to the point where genocide of the native Palestinian population would be possible.

[See Followup: Subjugating American Muslims to Israel. Note the information about Daniel Pipe's book entitled The Rushdie Affair. Zionist Neocons have been working out their agenda of Islamophobic incitement since the middle 1980s.]

In short Palestinians have not had a peace partner since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

I cannot emphasize how important the study of Jewish history and political economy is for proper understanding of contemporary transnational Zionist politics.

Professor Walt makes a particularly egregious error in On Goldberg and Douthat when he writes:

1948: Palestinian Arabs attack nascent Jewish state; several Arab states eventually join in. Zionists/Israelis win, and approximately 700,000 Palestinians are expelled or flee from the new Jewish state.

In point of fact, simultaneously with accepting the November 1947 UN GA Partition Proposal, the Zionist leadership green-lighted the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population. From the names of the operations, (e.g., biur hametz, burning of the [ritually impure] leaven), I believe mass murder was intended.

While Palestinians remembering the Special Night Squads of the 30s organized defensively, Palestinian leaders, who were in exile or jail, were in no position to accept or reject the proposal, and the Palestinian population adopted a wait and see attitude because the Palestinian leadership had already accepted a 55% Palestinian 45% Jewish population ratio as Rafael Medoff points out in Baksheesh Diplomacy.

If all 300,000 Jewish DPs had joined the 600,000 Jews already resident, the Palestinian-Jewish division would have been a 57:43 ratio, with which Palestinians had no problem in a single democratic state.

Palestinians simply could not accept a partition of the country

• that divided families and clans,
• that separated farmers from their lands, and
• that put so many Palestinians under the control Zionists, who had a record of violent bloodthirstiness since the 19-naughts. (See Timeline.)

The Palestinian position was hardly unreasonable.

The commonly believed narrative is the Second Great Zionist Fraud. I describe the Primary Zionist Fraud in Every Israel Advocate a Madoff.

I put the response to Leidner's rather prosaic Zionist nonsense in http://www.eaazi.org/ThorsProvoni/history/naaplecture.htm.

As Phil Weiss pointed out on his blog, Zionists and Zionist fellow-travelers like Andrew Leidner are being organized by the Israeli embassy and consulates throughout the USA and Canada.

Oh, this silly myth. European Jews are no more indigenous to Israel than the modern English are indigenous to Angeln and Saxony, and have no more right of "return" (ignoring the European Union for the moment).

[Note that I have cross-posted the item below to my blog at Palestinian Dream, Zionist Hasbara, America because it relates to Phil Weiss's blog entry After pregnant pause, Bono celebrates 'Palestinian dream' at Lincoln Memorial event for Obama.]

However, I think you're downplaying (hopefully not missing) an added dimension to this latest round of war in Israel and the territories. It is in Israel's interest to simultaneously find a workable solution for a Palestinian state and defeat radical, armed factions such as Hamas that are competing to represent the Palestinians. Unfortunately, the PLO & its successor organization (the PA) have not been able to weed out the extremist forces within their midst; in contrast to the way the Jewish Agency & Haganah were able to ultimately arrest/marginalize/diffuse members of the Irgun and Stern Gang during the years leading up to Israeli independence. Hamas has no interest in achieving statehood for themselves or the Palestinians; their ideology and their practical experience in Gaza the past few years is remarkably clear on this matter.

Obviously, Zionists have an interest in establishing the hegemony of this sort of discourse, but people, who have actually spoken with the Hamas leadership like Jimmy Carter or who can read or listen to their statements without the mediation of MEMRI, have come to a different conclusion.

But even this issue is almost irrelevant. Under Ronald Reagan the USA worked very effectively with Islamists and Mujahidin. In retrospect our mistake seems to have been to disengage from them.

We can try to hold back the tide of Islamic democracy in the ME, but we seem to be well into the region of diminishing returns, and in the past few weeks Israel has done more to undermine secular democracy in Turkey than an Islamist government could do if it were in power for 20 years.

CGleek's claims that the Jewish Agency/Haganah/Labor Zionist leadership weeded out the extremists are meaningless. The Stern Gang belonged to the "Left" side of the Zionist spectrum while the Revisionists (Jabotinskians)/Irgun were simply brought into the political process, and now the Jabotinskians dominate both Israeli and US politics.

Jabotinskian agents here include both the Neocons on the Republican side and Jabotinskian Zionist democrats like Rahm Emanuel in the Obama administration.

These two American Jabotinskian groups are easily traceable to the American Revisionist Zionists of the 20s, 30s, and 40s. The original American Revisionists are ably documented by Medoff in Militant Zionism in America.

Both sets of modern American Jabotinskian Zionists answer to Zionist political economic oligarchs like Saban, the Bronfmans, Adelson, the Krafts, Peretz, the Pritzkers, and about another 1000, who are the primary donors to Zionist causes and who are mobilized by the Zionist intelligentsia. The Zionist Oligarchy and Intelligentsia are the core of the Israel Lobby.

The Israel Lobby is the public face of the Zionist Virtual Colonial Motherland or Judonia, which runs a lucrative neo-imperialist system, whose keystone is the Zionist settler colony in stolen and occupied Palestine.

Judonia has rendered the USA an intimidated and dependent client state.

Whether Americans are willing to continue to live under the domination of a virtual state that has systematically ruined the US economy is a purely domestic issue.

[I wrote the following section almost precisely a year ago. My economic model predicted that petroleum prices would rise through the summer and humble the US economy, but I would never have guessed that Poulson and Bernanke would act quite as incompetently as they did. At this point we need a much more serious claw-back to reconstruct the banking system than I originally expected. I know it won't happen, but in my dreams the Obama administration would arrest Poulson and Bernanke on charges of economic terrorism at the very least in order to force some clear explanations of their behavior. Note that I have changed my terminology since I wrote the piece below. Nowadays I usually call the staff of Judonia its bureaucracy, and I use Zionist political economic oligarchs where I previously employed the phrase members of Judonia on the model of "members of Harvard Corporation."]

Fighting the Dystopic Future

Imperial Judonia represents a grave threat to America and to the whole human race. It has the ability to manipulate the governments of the USA, Canada, the UK, and most of Europe. By manipulating the US economy, the World Bank, and the IMF, it has developed tremendous wealth. 

The staff of Judonia is willing to use any form of violence, any form of subversion, and any lie to increase Judonian wealth and power for the good of the Jewish people and to make the world safe for Israel. Israeli security effectively requires the subjugation of the human race, which started with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, continued with the impoverishment of the populations of the southern cone of Latin America as well as the looting of SE Asian and the former Soviet States
all in the name of freedom. Then the depredations of Judonia became even worse to include the immurement of Palestinians as well as the incineration, dismantlement, and cluster-bombing of Arab and Muslim countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, and Somalia), along with support for a coup in Venezuela (Venezuela coup linked to Bush team | World news | The Observer[475]) likewise in the name of freedom and with incitement to attack other Arab and Muslim countries (the Sudan, Pakistan, and Iran) also in the name of freedom.

NEU Professor M. Shahid Alam writes (M. Shahid Alam: The Clash Thesis: a Failing Ideology?[476]): 

Americans are also asking, the President informs us, "why do they hate us?" His answer is clearly stated. "They hate what we see right here in this chamber ­ a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms ­ our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other." It is not clear anymore if 'they' points to al-Qaida, the Arabs or all Muslims.

It is hardly surprising that Arabs, Muslims and increasing numbers of other peoples hate American freedoms that amount to free fire zones
and free market exploitation, and as long as Judonia controls the US government, we Americans have no genuine freedom.

Because Judonia was unable to loot the Arab world under the cover of free markets, the American taxpayer is already being exploited to bailout Wall Street Banks. Once Judonian assets are fully and securely globalized, the staff and members of Judonia would probably welcome the collapse of the US economy because it would hurt the Chinese and the Gulf Arabs.

The section Fighting Back to Save America in Judonia Rising Working Paper Part 1 (pdf)[477] or Judonia Rising Working Paper Part 1[478] provides some suggestions for actions against Judonia, and there are some exploitable fault lines within Judonia as this document has indicated, but so much of the US government has been compromised – including the executive and practically the entire Congress – that Judonia may have achieved permanent domination over the USA.

Judonia’s only real weakness comes from the system that Judonia has constructed 

• in the security and anti-terrorism laws that have become part of US criminal code since 9/11 and
• in the humanitarian and anti-genocide discourse that the staff of Judonia has created to use against the Sudan and Iran.

Only Americans deny to any significant degree that Israel is a murderous terrorist state that is founded in genocide and that casually commits crimes against humanity as a matter of state policy.

As gas prices rise over the summer, Americans may become more open to hearing the truth, and then the members, staff and organizations of Judonia will become vulnerable to accusations of giving material support to terrorism and of inciting genocide.

If Jews and Jewish organizations do not receive exactly the same treatment as Muslims and Muslim organizations accused of giving material support to terrorism, Jewish officials like Mukasey and Chertoff will be vulnerable to accusations of enforcing one set of laws for Jews and another for non-Jews.[lxxiv]

Generally, unequal prosecution amounts to obstruction of justice or to some other related form of official malfeasance. Jewish officials and collaborators engaging in obstruction of justice and related official
malfeasance in the service of Judonia will themselves become prosecutable or at least summarily dismissible.

A public discussion of Jewish racism and conspiracy should make it possible to ask whether non-Jews can suggest the sort of treatment for the Jewish state that Jewish officials are willing to recommend for non-Jewish states.

Because the State of Israel is the keystone of the subversive influence that the Zionist intelligentsia of Judonia have over America,

• forcing regime change in Israel as it was forced in Iraq
  or
• abolishing the Jewish state as the Iraqi state has been effectively dismantled by the occupation

would almost certainly improve the security of the USA, give Americans their country back, and make it possible to take Judonia apart and seize assets to serve  

• as compensation for the damage that Judonia has caused to America and
• as relief for the suffering that Judonia has caused Middle Eastern and other populations throughout the world since the founding of the modern Zionist movement.

If Americans do not take action to neutralize Judonia very soon, the next generation of security technology may give Judonia permanent unassailable domination over the USA.

ThorsProvoni, I think you should review your posting after reading the following (not yet confirmed by Stephen) axioms of the RTFP (Realist Theory of FP), you may ignore my comments in (). Please note that in my first message on this tread when I say RTFP I meant the following axioms:

1. There exists no central authority that can enforce moral or legal constraints

2. There exist states

3. There exists a competitive arena where states acts as they do

4. States composed of nation, national leadership, national interest and power (economic, military, population, etc? (pls add).)...(any others? pls add)

5. States commit morally dubious acts (dubious according to what? Stephen knows) (see axiom 1)(Why this is here? Didn't you declare that RTFP (Realist Theory of FP) is essencially amoral?)

6. State's foreign and defense policy reflects national interest of the state.

7. A State seeks to increase her national interests when her existence is threatened.

8. A State's power is a potential threat to other states. A state is paranoid of other states.

9. Realist Foreign Policy is the art of keeping the the threats of states in Balance. (How? By shuffling and mixing nations/races/cultures?!, subjecting them to prototype secularo-fascist laws to reduce their multiplicity to singularity?)

(Stephen hasn't confirmed or rejected those axioms yet, I have compiled them from his postings on the blog and I keep updating them as Stephen reveales his RTFP. I am sort of trying to reverse engineer his RTFP)

Grand Sen~or

In fact Stephen M. Walt knows statistics at least as much as you do, perhaps he also knows that one can interpret statistical figures as they will to justify their political agenda;->
BTW, have you also studied theory of probability such as Carnap and Gnadenco's works? Because statistics doesn't make much sense without knowing the theories it is founded on.

Grand Sen~or

Upon your comment I hope Stephen M.Walt wakes up and reviews those axioms;->>Because as far as he exposed his theory ignores the concept "will". For me the concept "will" is the main concept like a May Pole which all other political concepts function around. I am glad to hear that you also aware of it. Thank you.

Grand Sen~or

We Should Get to Keep It

I had to laugh.

Brett appears not to see any sort of contradiction in believing that Palestinians should give up any attempt to reclaim Palestine after a mere 60 years after they suffered dispossession by Zionists who stole Palestine from its native population on the basis of a (false) claim that the ancestors of Zionists lived in Palestine 2000 years ago.

Obviously, Brett is just writing from some talking points prepared by his local Israeli consulate, the David Project, or StandWithUs. Yet it is hard to conceive of a logical disconnect more indicative of insanity.

Zionists and their Islamophobic useful idiots babble about Islamic extremism when it is hard to imagine believing something more psychotic and extreme than that Eastern Europeans had the right to steal Palestine on the basis of an etymological connection between the word Judea and the word Jew. One might as well argue that Roman Catholic Irish would have the right to steal Roman because Roman Catholic includes the word Rome.

Let's get this straight. Judaism was a prosyletizing religion at least as early as the beginning of the Hasmonean period (and probably earlier). The Book of Esther explicitly mentions massive conversion to (Second Temple) Judaism. A claim that Eastern European ethnic Ashkenazim have some sort of ancestral or historical connection to Palestine is an extremist and perverted interpretation of Jewish and Christian scripture.

We Americans simply cannot criticize any Islamist interpretations of Islamic scripture until we deal with the Zionist fanatics and extremists that not only have far too much power and influence in our society but have also wrecked our economy.

Shlaim introduced the Jabotinskian concept of the Iron Wall to English speakers, but unlike me he has no background in economics or finance and either missed or misunderstood Jabotinsky's economic ideas which included a full-fledged concept ethnonational financial warfare, which was put into effect after his followers took state power in Israel and started to receive unaccounted cash aid from the USA.

The program could not have worked without the orchestration of wealthy, powerful and influential Zionist political economic oligarchs and without the silence of government, business, and academic finance and economic experts, who are much too often Zionism-inclined Jews.

I hyperlinked some of my blog entries on the subject at the end of Open Letter to Representative Capuano.

Brett wrote "Two comments - first, ThorsPorvoni is bloody nuts."

I think you are wrong. ThorsProvoni's concept of "state" is superior then SATFP's. But his is wrong assuming Israel Lobby is manipulating the US FP. In reality the US FP is manipulating the Israel Lobby to use Israel to keep the Balance of Threat according to the US National Interests.
Read below about the agreement between the US and Israel which Rice has declared.

Secondly, while you are arguing here Rice already explained what is happening in Gazza. She said Israel is there to cut the weapons flow via the tunnels/channels.
In other words according to SATFP Israel acted under agreement with the US to keep the Balance of Threat for the US FP. Which also means that Israel did the dirty job for the National Interest of the US, which doesn't mean it was _not_ for her National Interests as well, but hey! you can always blame it to the Jews and send them pants down to the streets of the EU$.

(I love this blog and the theory it operates on - SATFP. One can explain almost everything related to FP with it;->>>)

Did you say "What the hell is SATFP?!", I can't hear you very well;->
Here is your answer;->

Salvare Apparentias Theory of FP (SATFP).

1. There exist states. (Mind you not ThorsProvoni's "states" yet;-))

2. A State composed of a nation, a national leadership, national interests and power (economic, military, population, land, etc? ..(any others? pls feel free to add).
(Laws??!! naaa! eventually they will all sign under the same prototype constitutions anyway)

3. There exists a competitive arena where states acts as they do.

4. There exists no central authority in that arena that can enforce moral or legal constraints.

5. States commit morally dubious acts (dubious according to what? The Blog knows) (see axiom 1)(Why this is here? Didn't the Blog declare that SATFP is essencially amoral?)

6. A State's foreign and defense policy reflects national interest of the state.

7. A State seeks to increase her national interests when her existence is threatened.

8. A State's power is a potential threat to other states. A state is by definition paranoid of other states.

9. Salvare Apparentias Foreign Policy is the art of keeping the threats of states in Balance besides saving the foreing policy related phenomena. (How? By shuffling and mixing nations/races/cultures?!, subjecting them to prototype secularo-fascist laws to reduce their multiplicity to singularity? the Blog knows).

Grand Sen~or

Ken also seems to have received his talking points from his local Israeli consulate or Israel advocacy organization.

My interest in Jewish studies goes back to the late 1960s. I can certainly read the subtext in Ken's faux-sympathetic comment. It was the whole point of the Holy Foundation Trial. Zionist writer Vladimir Dubnow was already describing a total crushing of the inhabitants of Palestine in 1881.

There would be no problem today if a bunch of murderous, racist, genocidal E. Europeans had not decided to steal Palestine from the native population.

The expense of helping Palestinians is negligible. There would not be a Zionist state today without massive Western aid that continues to this day, but these issues are simply irrelevant.

From a realist cost benefit analysis, it makes much more sense to sanction the State of Israel, for the problem of Zionism would go away in four months when international loans came due, and the State of Israel collapsed.

The US simply cannot afford to continue the US-Israel alliance whose cost is responsible for 50-75% of the national debt, and the US economy can only be fixed if the US government makes a massive clawback of the money looted through Zionist manipulation, conspiracy and corruption.

Removing a lot of (mostly Jewish Zionist) government and academic economists that have been engaging in a conscious or unconscious coverup would probably be a good idea. Obviously they have not been doing their jobs.

Wow, Ken is quite the indoctrinated Jabotinskian.

Palestinian leaders of long standing have moderated their demands after coming to understand that their original objectives are no longer attainable.

That Iron Wall really worked. It's not just a few million Arabs that hate Zionists with a burning passion, but more like 2 billion Muslims and non-Muslims that are coming truly to despise Zionists and probably soon all Jews.

Ken probably does not spend much time in the Occupied Territories, but Mohammed Abbas is for the most part viewed as a Quisling even by his own followers, and nobody even thinks about Salam Fayyad.

I remember watching Sheikh Yasin on Israeli television. He was reasonable and flexible. The fanatics are racist Jewish Zionists that don't let reality interfere with their world view. (When did JFK say Cuba would collapse with a little pressure?)

And yes Zionism has been genocidal right from the primary ideologues of the 1880s. It is psychotic to believe otherwise.

As for Heinsohn, as someone who has a tendency to be a crank, Heinsohn has me beat by lightyears, but I can understand the appeal to a Jabotinskian of Heinsohn's neo-Nazi eugenic thinking that is so similar to that of the preeminent Zionist leader Max Nordau.

For such a yoyo to head the Raphael-Lemkin-Institute for Comparative Genocide Research of the University of Bremen is probably the biggest insult to Lemkin's memory that I could imagine, but Bremen seems to be one of those places where human thought processes don't work properly. (See Attacking Will Smith, Tony Judt.)

I could probably make a far stronger case that the major impediment to peace comes not from young Gazans but from wealthy American Jewish Zionist alte kakers who with their increasing diminishment in mental capabilities are flinging money at the most extremist Israel Advocacy organizations in order to intimidate US national political leaders.

Anyone in this forum ever hear of the Israel Lobby?

Anyway, it is all irrelevant because the USA can't afford the alliance with Israel anymore. The corrupt Jewish Zionist political-academic-governmental-media-financial-social-service network broke the world economy, and the only way to fix it is a massive clawback in conjunction with an arrest and purge of the most important Zionists because otherwise they will do it again.

Dear H.Arouet,
Stephen already made his position clear on FP that realist is amoral. He implicitely laid down his theory's axioms here. His answers should be like this:
"To keep the Balance of Threat to survive increase your National Interest, don't expect other states will increase it for you, unless of course it helps increase their National Interests or help manitain the Balance of Threat according to their FP."
Look what the Blog's axiom says:

4. There exists no central authority in that arena that can enforce moral or legal constraints.

Period.
Stephen M. Walt is not in a position to suggest a Central Authority to make and enforce laws in _that_ Arena.
I think he doesn't consider it his job as an FP scientist.
However I don't think so, if he had an alternative theory to create a thought experiment on he could suggest a solution to that missing link. But he sticks to his axioms as they are, not bothering further thought experiments to put him in more trouble;->>>
As, I have said before, I can make a suggestion on that issue but that would require a lot of shuffling of existing prototype constitutions. I think S.M.Walt already knows what I am talking about here but as I have pointed out above it is _really_ too muct trouble for him even to think about it;->>

Go pray to the Merciful!
That's what I do while I am also posting here in case out there there exist courageous people who are committed to use intellect _to get the bottom of politics as an activity related to will_ which distinguishes it from physical sciences. Although out there, there exist some mad physicists who think they are going to reduce this science of politics to physics once they invent the GUT (Grand Unified Theory) (my blood boils when I see the word "Grand" in front of any other word);->>
Stephen beware of those Mad Physicists Mate! They are aiming to undermine your business and bankrupt you - if you go like that, give heed to my remarks to stay in the business; open new branches;->>

Grand Sen~or