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As we wait to see if Hillary Clinton has accomplished anything in her Middle East trip (I’m betting no), here are a couple of things to read:

Nathan Brown of George Washington University and the Carnegie Endowment says the two-state solution is at a dead end (a possibility I worried about here) and offers his “Plan B." He calls for a long-term ceasefire (i.e., five to ten years) to permit the rebuilding of Palestinian institutions, to press for moderation of Hamas’ demands, and to force Israel to choose between building settlements and making peace. I have my doubts about his proposal, which sounds like the Oslo process to me insofar as it leaves the final destination unclear and focuses on interim agreements. Like Oslo, this leaves too much latitude for spoilers on either side (including the new Israeli prime minister?). Nonetheless, Brown is surely right to begin thinking about where we go if the two-state solution really does become out of reach.

Writing in Tikkun, Jerome Slater provides a systematic critique of Israel’s conduct in its recent attacks on Gaza, and demolishes a lot of Israeli talking points. Doug Lieb of the American Jewish Committee has a response in the same issue, but you really owe it to yourself to read Slater’s fully documented version, available here. 

 

BRETT

10:34 PM ET

March 4, 2009

Keep in mind that if you want

Keep in mind that if you want to do a long-term ceasefire, you need to have some pre-set boundaries. For example, does the ceasefire include the cessation of the building of new houses in the settlements, even if the population there grows (and it does)? Is there a set territory for the parties in the cease-fire to sit upon and watch each other? Do the parties involved (particularly the PA) have the right to engage in military preparations in case the ceasefire is broken (I'm guessing "no" for the PA)?

 

TESS

11:46 AM ET

March 5, 2009

On Gaza and HRW report....

One element that I find most telling about the Gaza pull out that was included in a 12/30/08 HRW press release was, "Israel continues to exercise effective control over Gaza's borders and airspace as well as its population registry, and remains the occupying power there under international law. "

That is Israel claims to have ended the occupation, but still controls, in essence, citizenship through the population registries.

It is a good article, thank you or posting it.

 

BUSH4EVER

1:55 PM ET

March 5, 2009

Professor, my neck

How can you take this guy seriously? No wonder Obama Foreign Policy has been a total disaster already, with just 11 weeks in the office. His advisers are of this "professor" ilk.

Putting the Israel-Palestinians explosive issue aside for a while, here is this "professor" cheering assessment of the Clinton foreign policy:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20000301faessay28/stephen-m-walt/two-cheers-for-clinton-s-foreign-policy.html

Summary: Bill Clinton's foreign policy record leaves room for improvement, but he did quite well under the post-Cold War circumstances. Even faced with a partisan, isolationist Republican Congress and a disinterested American public, Clinton managed to engage Russia and China, fight nuclear proliferation, liberalize world trade, and save lives in Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo. His successor will inherit the same constraints and follow much the same course -- no matter who wins in November.

Engage Russia and China? By bombing Chinese embassy and Serbian civilians?! Extending NATO to the East? What planet does he lives on? Clinton blew a historic chance of making friends out of Cold War adversaries by waging an illegal and criminal war on civilians in Yugoslavia. You can thank him for Russian hawkish stance of today and nuclear games with Iran. I bet he does not remember the crisis with Chinese when our military plane landed there in the first months of Bush Administration. Or Chinese were too unhappy about Gore losing the elections?

Clinton fought nuclear proliferation? That was some smashing success if India and Pakistan went nuclear. Or he means that agreement with North Korea that the gullible idiots signed and Kim had no intention to honor?

And now his crown jewel - Kosovo. As if we needed another enclave of Muslim terrorism in Europe. Saved lives?! How that figure of 100,000 Albanians "genocided" in Kosovo? Last time somebody mentioned the subject was 2003:

Source: Deutsche Presse Agentur
Date: 16 Apr 2003
A total of 4,300 people have been reported missing since 1999, most of them ethnic Albanians, said chief of the UNMIK department for missing persons, Jose Pablo Baraibar.

The list was not yet fully "consolidated" and UNMIK has been working on it with Belgrade, he said.

According to available data, 909 of the missing were non-Albanians, but the figure was expected to rise, as Serbs recently added another 350 names to it.

Barabair said no mass graves have been found in Kosovo, the site ofa bloody conflict between Belgrade's security forces and ethnic Albanian guerrillas in 1998 and 1999, but that more individual burial sites were
expected to be found.

By his cowardly and criminal actions, by his ignoring the accelerating attacks by Al-Qaeda on US Clinton paved the road to 9-11. The "friendly image of America" the professor talks about was one of the cowards who don't hesitate to bomb civilians from high altitudes, as if it was a video game, but who run away as in Mogadishu at the sight of the first drop of American blood. It took the Iraq war to reverse that shameful image.

Maybe the "professor" needs to start reading some foreign press. His peers that review his works must be the same lefty kooks he is.

 

BRETT

4:56 PM ET

March 5, 2009

The "friendly image of

The "friendly image of America" the professor talks about was one of the cowards who don't hesitate to bomb civilians from high altitudes, as if it was a video game, but who run away as in Mogadishu at the sight of the first drop of American blood.

Who cares if he bombed targets from the air, or killed guys with boots on the ground? This isn't some Honorable Duel or Schoolyard Brawl; we take advantage of our technologies to minimize our losses.

For that matter, the most successful anti-Al-Qaeda strategy right now involves killing them with missiles launched from unmanned drones. Is this cowardly?

As if we needed another enclave of Muslim terrorism in Europe.

Not all muslims are created equal. Albanian muslims are extremely secular and moderate; one of the comments I've heard from Croatians is that you can't tell the Albanian muslim women from Serbian and Croation women at the beaches.

That said, both Bush I and Clinton pursued exactly the wrong set of policies in the Bosnian war in the early 1990s. They didn't decisively intervene to protect Bosnia, but neither did they stand back and let Bosnians purchase the weapons they needed to fight back against Milosevic and the Serbians. Instead, they maintained an embargo on weapons sales to the Bosnians, and did a half-assed UN and NATO peacekeeping effort that led to a number of massacres before they finally moved in with force.

Frankly, had the US just sold the Bosnians weapons in that conflict, things would probably be a lot smoother in that region now. Certainly we wouldn't have poorly designed entities like the current Bosnian state.

 

BUSH4EVER

1:46 AM ET

March 6, 2009

You don't get it, do you?

***Who cares if he bombed targets from the air, or killed guys with boots on the ground? ***

Twisting. It is not about tactics but about inability to stomach own casualties and yet going into war. Or you believe it was some kind of video game? But people - deliberately targeted civilians died! A super cowardly thing to do. 9-11 was an attack on cowards, who were supposed to fold and ask the enemy for mercy. Clinton gave the enemy all the reasons to think that we were cowards. Luckily, we did not have the idiot Gore in the office. Otherwise we would be apologizing to Obama.

I am not sure what you are doing reading "Foreign Policy" if you don't understand the elementary things like that.

BTW, Bosnian Muslims are already smuggling weapons into France and other Western countries. At industrial level. Happy Jihad.

 

BRETT

9:00 AM ET

March 6, 2009

Twisting. It is not about

Twisting. It is not about tactics but about inability to stomach own casualties and yet going into war.

I don't particularly care whether or not Al-Qaeda thinks we are unmanly because kill them from a distance rather than fighting them with troops in direct combat (as if being killed by an airstrike is somehow less brave than being killed by an M-16).

As for terrorist attacks - I notice that the biggest one happened in your favorite President's term, after he had ignored multiple warnings and alerts on its potential.

I am not sure what you are doing reading "Foreign Policy" if you don't understand the elementary things like that.

Unlike you, I understand that terrorists are generally motivated by more than a perception that their opponents are somehow cowards for not fighting them man-to-man.

BTW, Bosnian Muslims are already smuggling weapons into France and other Western countries. At industrial level. Happy Jihad.

But not for jihad purposes - Bosnia is just a convenient access point for the illegal smuggling of anything.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

12:28 AM ET

March 6, 2009

Not all muslims are created

Not all muslims are created equal. Albanian muslims are extremely secular and moderate; one of the comments I've heard from Croatians is that you can't tell the Albanian muslim women from Serbian and Croation women at the beaches.

If you put Bush or a Bush4Ever next to a Zionist you wouldn't see the difference as well for they are all secularists. Also if you put Bush or Bush4Ever next to Pope or Christian Fundamentalist you wouldn't see the difference either because thay are all secularists. Why is that so? Because they are well assimilated by secularo-fascists. Those people believe that they are the Law Makers and whatever laws they impose the rest must obey otherwise secularo-fascist inqusition courts sort them out as witches and burn them on the stake.

"Naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret."

Of course when you get assimilated, your language get assimilated as well, you can start seeing the reality(?!) through the concepts of your assimilator. Like Zionists, they believe that they are on the way of Moses and following Torah, but they proudly present themselves as patriots of the secularo-fascism without even been aware of in fact that they are new-born secularo-fascists. Believing Jews has a name for this type of characters; they call them anussim.

What is wrong with that?!
Seriously something is wrong with that: you can't see the reality as it is, you conceive it distorted and make wrong decision based on it and you create a hell of problems and don't know how to solve them - you are out of touch of reality, living in a nightmare, blaming each other, getting scared of the reality, seeing it as your enemy-number-one. You start seeing Hamish mothers as the enemy of Civilisation, try to shorten their skirts, cut their hair to make them up look like yourselves to feel at home, if they resist you put them in Deytona Beach and see what they are going to wear, if they wear the same stuff you wear you have a sigh of relief;->>

In reality you don't need any enemy, you are in the process of self-destruction. But, fortunately I can't enjoy watching your self-destruction - I am a human-being.

A sad case;->>
Maybe some TE help you get cured, ask Prof. Walt to supply you some;->>
Sorry, I am not here to sort out your pseudo-problems;->>

But, keep in mind that communists used to have inter-national laws valid for all, didn't last long. What makes you believe that your inter-SPEE laws that you impose all will last any longer?

Grand Sen~or.

 

BUSH4EVER

1:48 AM ET

March 6, 2009

And if we put you in bucket

And if we put you in bucket of crap, the substance won't change. What your insane drivel has to do with the subject of my post?

 

BRETT

9:02 AM ET

March 6, 2009

That's pretty fucking rich

That's pretty fucking rich coming from you, considering that you were the one who diverted from the topic of Walt's post in order to make a drawn-out personal attack on him.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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