By John Mearsheimer

Frank Rich had an excellent column in the Sunday New York Times in which he suggested that President Obama's economic team is unsuited to deal with the financial crisis. "I fear," he wrote, "that too many of the administration's officials are too marinated in the insiders' culture to police it, reform it or own up to their own past complicity with it." Let's hope his fears are proven wrong.

But Rich's column points to a larger and possibly more disturbing feature of our predicament: very few of the country's economic experts foresaw the tsunami that is now upon us. Indeed, most of them thought that the global economy was working well and needed nothing more than some tweaking here and there. This is why Obama ended up appointing a team of economic experts who not only failed to see the storm coming, but in the case of Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers, promoted policies that helped cause it. Simply put, there were hardly any sagacious business people, economists, or policymakers who he could have turned to for help.  

Rich quotes a speech the president made last week that captures the essence of the problem. Talking about the controversial AIG bonuses, Obama said that they were a symptom of "a culture where people made enormous sums of money taking irresponsible risks that have now put the entire economy at risk." In other words, the problem was not just a few bad apples; the culture itself was rotten. That is a remarkable indictment of our economic elite. 

One could make a similar case against Obama's national security team. The two most daunting foreign policy problems facing the United States are the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is difficult to see how we can achieve a meaningful victory in either conflict. The Bush administration started off brilliantly in Afghanistan in the fall of 2001 by toppling the Taliban from power without having to mount a large-scale invasion with U.S. troops. Afghanistan is the last place on earth that a great power wants to occupy. But before consolidating its victory in Afghanistan and capturing Osama bin Laden, the United States marched off to invade Iraq, which was supposed to be the first step in a radical scheme to transform the Middle East into a sea of democracies. There was even serious talk at the time about creating an American empire in the region.

The end result, of course, is that the United States got bogged down in a bloody war in Iraq, while the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated to the point where the Taliban now controls more than 50 percent of that country, and the United States has turned into an occupier. Consider that there were roughly 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan in December 2001, and there are now almost 40,000 U.S. troops plus another 20,000 NATO troops -- to which Obama plans to add another 17,000 U.S. troops. And while there is no question that the level of murder and mayhem in Iraq has been reduced over the past two years, the all-important constellation of political forces there remains so unstable that we cannot leave without risking that war will break out as we go out the door.

The Bush administration is principally responsible for these twin disasters, but the fact is that most of the Democratic Party's foreign policy experts -- certainly the more senior ones -- supported President Bush's decision to invade Iraq and to do massive social engineering across the Middle East. Consider, for example, Hillary Clinton, Richard Holbrooke, and Dennis Ross -- three key players on the Obama team. They were all strong supporters of the Iraq war, and they had little inkling that we would end up getting bogged down in Iraq or that we would squander our initial success in Afghanistan. In fact, not one of Obama's principal foreign policy advisors opposed the Iraq war, although the president did. It seems that almost all of the senior foreign policy experts in the Democratic Party have been "marinated in the [same] inside culture" as their Republican Party counterparts. What this effectively means is that Obama and the country will have to depend on a group of individuals who helped create the Afghanistan and Iraq disasters -- albeit in a small way -- to get us out of them. That is not a reassuring thought.

One wonders why our elites have failed us so badly. What went wrong? How could so many economic experts and so many foreign policy experts have been so mistaken about such important matters? Why weren't there lots of prominent economists and bankers standing on the rooftops warning that the economy was heading for the precipice? Why were all those Nobel Prize winners so clueless about the potential dangers of derivatives and de-regulation? 

Why were there so few people inside the Beltway warning that Iraq was likely to be a disaster and that it was a fool's errand to try to use the U.S. military to re-make the Middle East in America's image? Why was there a serious conversation about creating an American empire among adults who grew up in the latter half of the 20th century, when all of the European empires turned to dust? Why did those same adults, who saw the United States lose in Vietnam and the Soviet Union lose in Afghanistan, not seriously contemplate the possibility that the same thing might happen in Iraq? 

Many trees will be cut down to produce the paper that will be needed for all the articles and books that will be written to try to explain how the United States lost its collective mind shortly after the Cold War ended, when so many thought that our elites were the best and the brightest in the world.

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CHRISDORNAN

5:56 PM ET

March 24, 2009

answered your own question

Was it not the triumphalism, hubris and lack of boundaries that accompanied the end of the cold war? The hyperpower that makes its own reality (cf Suskind). This reached it peak with Bush but started wih Bush senior and gathered through the Clinton administration.

Wouldn't the realists say that we pay attention to underlying strategic reality and not see it entirely in ideological terms.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

8:09 PM ET

March 24, 2009

"a culture where people made

"a culture where people made enormous sums of money taking irresponsible risks that have now put the entire economy at risk."

Falling short statement. This sub-culture of economics and the sub-culture of politics Professor talks about are just by products of the Monopoly - the State. When something turns into monopoly all the competition becomes meaningless, look at yourself you can't think without State;-> Which means to me even yourself give in to the Monopoly. What can poor Obama change there, really?! Other than to let it replaced by another ones. I am really amazed that you Guys still cannot see that there is something seriously wrong with the system rather than people. Remember Caligula who had appointed a Horse as the head of the Senate, maybe Obama has to do the same appointing a Donkeys to the head of his economics and foreign politics teams, that would help, playing Roman haven't we?!;->>

lost its collective mind

Collective mind emerges in an environments where SPEEs have right to law and practicing it. It emerges on SPEE level first and they compete with each other to integrate in a higher level collective mind. You've lost that collective-mind formation due to assimilating SPEEs to mono-law under the hegemony of the Monopoly - the State. Now you are left with no mind / unconscious as Freeman put it;-> Freeman is a great man, mark his words!

And you are scared of your own SPEEs?! You are dying Mate, you are dying!

Grand Sen~or.

 

DAVID IN DC

8:13 PM ET

March 24, 2009

There was even serious talk

There was even serious talk at the time about creating an American empire in the region.

??

I did read some people of the Juan Cole ilk impugning various motives to Bush. But if these charges are what you are referring to, this doesn't qualify as "serious" regardless of how ponderously or gravely delivered.

Was anyone actually advocating creating an American empire?

 

STATLER

8:54 PM ET

March 24, 2009

Depends on the Definition

If you define "empire" as the exercise of coercive power to shape the domestic politics of a foreign state, then yes.

 

DAVID IN DC

12:18 PM ET

March 25, 2009

I don't think that was what

I don't think that was what Walt was referring to, given the context. If you define empire as you did then the act of invading to depose Saddam, by definition, was "creating empire".

You can see from the quote below that "creating an American empire" was a step beyond the "radical scheme to transform the Middle East", which Walt appears to be saying (correctly, IMO) was our intent.

...the United States marched off to invade Iraq, which was supposed to be the first step in a radical scheme to transform the Middle East into a sea of democracies. There was even serious talk at the time about creating an American empire in the region.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

6:20 PM ET

March 26, 2009

The US is behaving like an

The US is behaving like an empire, in fact it is trying to adopt the Roman Empire model, with lots of client states around (for example if Iran accepts the client state conditions they can have the WMD like Israel and Pakistan has), but as harder it tries sooner it ends up as Holly Roman Empire - one may also call it Holly Secularo-fascist Empire equipped with massive destructive power of WMDs to sustain its tyranny and it cannot even trust Romans (the US Citizens) any more, that is why it falls short to be a Roman Empire because for the Romans it was un-thinkable not to trust Romans. Same for Chengis Han his success was based on his trust to his people, he never ordered them to die for the State - never!

Grand Sen~or.

 

TESS

7:13 PM ET

March 26, 2009

I think you meant "Holy Roman

I think you meant "Holy Roman Empire".

The idea of empire and the US at this point in history, is doubtful. We may have WMD, but I doubt that we can sustain our current military engagements for much longer, as our economy is crumbling.

You stated: "for the Romans it was un-thinkable not to trust Romans"

I don't think that was entirely true. People were not exactly trusting of Ceasar's army after it crossed the Rubicon. Equally, I doubt there was a good deal of trust between Pompey and Caesar. So to, the "cleansing" under dictator Sulla indicates a certain level of distrust among Romans. Unless you are speaking to an earlier time period in Roman history.

 

EVAN RAVITZ

10:56 PM ET

March 24, 2009

"Best & Brightest" "Smartest Guys in the Room" "Masters of the U

The "Best and Brightest" lied us into Vietnam. The "Smartest Guys in the Room" gave us Enron and the "Masters of the Universe" brought us a collapsed economy.

Read "Trust Us, We're Experts" to see how we're constantly suckered by experts.

Read the best-selling "The Wisdom of Crowds" for overwhelming evidence that large diverse groups make better decisions than ANY elite, let alone the best Congress money can buy. Buying Congress is likely the world’s best investment, paying off at 1000 to 1, according to several sources, including Jack Abramoff, in the 3rd paragraph of http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/30/AR2005043000783.html.

Then go to http://Vote.org and consider the alternative, used in Switzerland for 117 years: co-determination, in which Parliament makes laws but so do the people, voting 3-7 times a year on local, Cantonal and NATIONAL ballot initiatives. It keeps Parliament humble and representative and citizens engaged. The Swiss read more newspapers/capita than anyone.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

7:56 PM ET

March 25, 2009

The US has similar socio=political structure to ex-Soviets

The US has similar socio-political structure to ex-Soviets, a mono-law Monopoly, believes that her laws are universal and expects every state should have a similar constitution as hers, otherwise they are considered rebel states. no, no enemy of Civilisation, as if we haven't seen no Civilisation before;->>

Ex-Soviets fore-saw their system's collepse and accommodated the split of the Monopoly. But they fell short to return the power to the real owners - the SPEEs. The Power of the Monopoly cannibalized by further pseudo-political structures - States, So they go back where they had started - the revolution failed.

The US should take lessons frim the Ex-Soviet experience and forsee what is cooking there and develop means to control the handover of the power to the real owners rather than its ending up in the hands of gangs. The split of the Monopoly is imminent, none will be able to stop it, but its development can be controled if you start taking wise, knowledgeable steps now to achieve a smooth, peaceful and just shift of power to the SPEEs. If not then expect the Hell break out on earth which human-beings haven't experienced the same before.
You Guys don't have much time left to waste to pseudo problems of FP, problems at Home started knocking at the door.

Grand Sen~or.

 

BILL

11:29 PM ET

March 24, 2009

Bill

Actually, many years before the crisis, Joseph Stieglitz wrote a paper warning about the dangers of derivatives.

 

PERCNON

2:20 AM ET

March 25, 2009

Saying is nothing without listening

John, if 'reputable', mainstream folks had been shouting from the rooftops vis-à-vis the imminent economic crisis and the disaster of Iraq/Afghanistan who would have listened?

On Iraq/Afghanistan MOST people with half an ounce of sense realised that it would be an utter disaster. The question is why the foreign policy elites were so completely removed from the overwhelming civil society, academic and public opinion.

On the economic crisis, who would have listened when things were still going well? Who would it have benefited to hear that sort of thing? They would have been written off as naysayers, pessimists. And there is nothing American political culture detests more than a pessimist. Its all about hard work, 'can do attitude', motherhood and apple pie ain't it?

The fundamental misunderstanding here seems to be that democratic political culture is attuned to intelligent, rational, objective and longsighted thought. Politicians (and the advisers that say yes to them were in no position to think, say or do anything contrary to the pathological positivity that accompanies a democracy when things are going alright.

On Iraq/Afghanistan i'd say the problem was ultimately a corrupt and out of touch elite that believed its own hype about American hyper-supremacy.

On the economic crisis i'd say the problem was ultimately a corrupt and out of touch elite that couldn't possibly do anything about it anyway. Anyone who spoke up would've been shot down by the logic of the short-termist political culture.

Driverless locomotive metaphors abound.

Its shocking to realise that the most powerful individuals and organisations in the world were by no means even remotely in control of the economy but until something went severely wrong (i.e. for rich/middle class rather than poor people who've been getting screwed for years) nobody COULD do anything about it.

 

DAN KERVICK

2:25 AM ET

March 25, 2009

Dumbed Down or Business as Usual?

Is the situation with our clubby and self-congratulatory elites really any worse than most earlier times in US history? Apart from a scant handful of exceptional figures, the US isn't exactly known for the brilliance of its leaders. It's strength appears to lie in certain qualities of its people who, while definitely no brighter or wiser than the leaders, nevertheless exhibit an energetic and rambunctious drive to work, innovate and hustle after the main chance. That restless, roiling dynamism of crass bounders on the make seems to keep the whole cacophonous operation moving forward and muddling along, no matter what our leaders do. America has always been more P.T. Barnum than George Kennan. It's not an uplifting and edifying work of art, but its perhaps the Greatest Show on Earth.

 

ANON_ANON

11:56 AM ET

March 25, 2009

old student of yours

"In fact, not one of Obama's principal foreign policy advisors opposed the Iraq war, although the president did."

Did James Jones support the war?

Come on, you've read "Why States Believe Foolish Ideas" by Stephen van Evera. Why not use that as your starting point? Or, maybe something to do with the failure of the media - did the Fourth Estate not do ITS job, as Jon Stewart would argue in re: CNBC, or perhaps with WMDs, or criticizing "Shock and Awe" rather than asking "Tell Me How This Ends" (Petraeus to Atkinson).

 

DAVID S

3:08 PM ET

March 25, 2009

Is it Stephen Walt's blog or an op-ed from the Onion?

John:

Great headline.

I can't think of anyone more qualified to spot a dumb elite than yourself.

 

COURTNEYME109

3:44 AM ET

March 26, 2009

Oh Snap!

A healthy dose of realist meds there David!

 

EMRYS56

3:25 PM ET

March 25, 2009

"Why weren't there lots of

"Why weren't there lots of prominent economists and bankers standing on the rooftops warning that the economy was heading for the precipice?"
"Why were there so few people inside the Beltway warning that Iraq was likely to be a disaster and that it was a fool's errand to try to use the U.S. military to re-make the Middle East in America's image?"
In both cases,there were knowledgeable people that had warned of possible bad outcomes; unfortunately, these people had little access to the MSN megaphone until after the consequences became obvious (and even then access is/was often limited). Even on the occasions when these experts managed to get the public's attention, they were quickly shouted down. As Walt points out, some of those doing the shouting are now employed by the Obama administration. In the case of the Bush administration, they simply didn't want to hear, so discussions on Iraq only served to build public pressure over a long period of time. The jury is out on the Obama administration. Will they posses a tin ear as well? Wouldn't surprise me.

 

PETER N W

4:38 PM ET

March 25, 2009

no more Frank Rich cites

First of all, who knew that Frank Rich had such a great influence on realist foreign policy experts? This "insider culture" meme is such a shop-worn cliche. If he didn't have so many insiders, these same people would be de-crying Obama's lack of wisdom and foresight in hiring people who know how the system operates.

Aside from that, I think John's hyperbole is not warranted and additional context is required. Afghanistan and Iraq are disasters? Ok, sure, but so is spilling soup down my shirt at lunchtime before a big staff meeting. As Prof. Walt has said, and maybe Professor Mearsheimer, too, Great Powers have room at the margins for mistakes. Let's not overstate the problem caused by us going into Iraq and Afganistan.

As for whether the United States lost its collective mind, even the One We Have Been Waiting For, Barack Obama himself, called his decision to oppose the Iraq War the toughest decision he has had to make. Does that mean he was simply off his rocker? Alot of things that could have gone wrong during the invasion of Iraq did not. But some did.

And who is to say what would have happened in the region had we focused solely on Afghanistan. The Bush Administration was faced with some DIFFICULT choices after 9/11. Ok, so they were too ambitious and bold and their reach exceeded their grasp. Lesson learned. See how many trees I just saved?

 

BLUE13326

4:40 PM ET

March 25, 2009

It's the lack of

It's the lack of accountability in our culture. People taking out loans they know they can't pay back, and stop making payments on their mortgages: make the rest of us buy their homes for them. Talk about a free lunch, now we have free houses.

 

PERCNON

7:05 PM ET

March 25, 2009

Courage?

@AllanGreen: Whats the point in being courageous if nobody takes the slightest bit of notice of you? There are plenty of people revising history and claiming to have been warning about this for years. They portray themselves as being fairly 'out there' and radical for this, but whatever the accuracy of their story nobody listened and nobody would have listened.

You can't be within the mainstream and be subversive. You can only be subversive from without. And once without nobody cares what you have to say.

Whither democracy.

 

TESS

8:49 PM ET

March 25, 2009

issues

One wonders why our elites have failed us so badly. What went wrong? How could so many economic experts and so many foreign policy experts have been so mistaken about such important matters? Why weren't there lots of prominent economists and bankers standing on the rooftops warning that the economy was heading for the precipice? Why were all those Nobel Prize winners so clueless about the potential dangers of derivatives and de-regulation?

Ever so often, we get bogged down in the belief in our systems. Today is much like this. We have so many formulas and concepts. We have so structured society, that we see anything out side the box as lesser.

There was a time when knowledge was a matter of being informed. Now, it is a matter of complying with some structure, otherwise you are considered not to know.

We are such creatures of habit, that we tend not to think outside those habits. Those idea we inherited. I look at the basic concept of our education systems, knowledge is held in structures to be attained. Imagine if Abraham Lincoln, Einstein, or Thomas Edison had been so restricted? Well, in the later 2 cases they were, that is why they were dismissed by tradition educators.

The reality is that knowledge exists, we have the tools to attain it. Not just attain, but we have the ability and need to question it. But, structure and habit are just much more comfortable to our nature.

 

BILLZ

2:54 AM ET

March 26, 2009

John Mearsheimer on the Frank Rich NYT article

John Mearsheimer’s splendid article was a commentary on Frank Rich’s insightful NYT article “Has a Katrina Moment Arrived. It was not a commentary about comments regarding the NYT article. Out of the 26 comments posted regarding Mearsheimer’s piece most were not comments concerning what either Mearsheimer or Rich had written but mainly a running commentary about the comments other contributors had written. I think contributors and readers of FP deserve better. Alan Green said “I don't think it is easy to deal with our comments here”, hey no kidding. I am suggesting by focusing commentary on the articles themselves it would greatly simplify the issue. Twitter, Face Book is more fitting venues for such personal dialog and exchange.

 

PETER N W

5:10 PM ET

March 26, 2009

not a Katrina moment

With all due respect to Paulette Altmaier, Frank Rich, and John Mearsheimer, President Obama's Katrina moment has NOT arrived, and it is BEYOND FOOLISH to even throw around that sort of reckless rhetoric. He's been President for 66 days for cripes sake. That sort of language is not surprising coming from its source (Northern California, by way of the NYT and Frank Rich) but about the only thing it does is provide another example of the echo chamber that exists on the Left. It may be fun for Frank Rich to talk about Jay Leno and yeah, everyone's mad about the AIG bonuses, but can we try just a little harder to gain some proper perspective? "Action must match words" Frank writes. Hearing that from an op-ed writer made me chuckle out loud.

 

ROBERT HUME

5:59 PM ET

March 26, 2009

Effects on Policy of Taboos

Policy cannot be made rationally if clear thinking is constricted by a taboo.

In the case of the Middle East the taboo is that nothing can be done which would be perceived as anti-Semitic.

In the case of the economy the taboo is that nothing can be done which would be perceived as anti-minority. For example, high down-payments and income verification.

 

FNORD

8:07 PM ET

March 26, 2009

"The Mystery of The missing

"The Mystery of The missing Phase IV" is an intriguing one, and seems to lie mostly with a State/DoD total absence of communication. There is confirmation in plenty that Rumsfeld actively sought to hinder contigency planning and cross-department cooperation. Wtf happened there? The Bremer admin looks like the biggest bank robbery in history. Can we get some investigations into the flow of money during that time, please?

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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