Friday, April 3, 2009 - 5:25 PM

President Obama's approach to Central Asia still strikes me as misguided. The administration isn't naïve about the scope of the task and the potential risks, and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates's warnings about the futility of trying to create "some sort of Central Asian Valhalla" suggests that they have more realistic expectations about what the United States can accomplish. But as our prior interventions in the Balkans, Somalia, and Iraq remind us, it's easier to walk into a quagmire than it is to walk out, and the new emphasis on "exit strategies" and "benchmarks" won't be of much help if Pakistan's internal politics remain chaotic (a safe bet) and if training more Afghan soldiers isn't the magic bullet that keeps the Taliban at bay and allows the United States to withdraw in a timely fashion. And it's clear that we won't get much additional help from our NATO allies. For some other worrisome comparisons, see Juan Cole's trenchant analysis here.
Our efforts in Central Asia are confounded by two fundamental problems. First, our understanding of Pakistani and Afghan society is limited, which makes it hard to know which groups or leaders to support and makes it virtually certain that any effort we undertake will generate lots of unintended consequences. We were once confident that Hamid Karzai would be a terrific leader, for example, but he's proven to be a disappointment. If we try to engineer his replacement, however, there's no guarantee we will end up with anyone better. Ditto Pakistan, where none of the contenders for power looks particularly promising and where their own ambitions and interests are partly (and maybe substantially) at odds with ours.
Look at this way: We have enough trouble getting reliable, efficient, and corruption-free government here at home (think Rod Blagoevich, Jack Abramoff, or the State Legislature here in Massachusetts, where the past two speakers had to resign in the face of scandals). So what makes us think we can root it out on the other side of the world? For that matter, what is the model of political transformation that we are selling to the world, given our inability to rebuild or restore deteriorating American cities like Detroit, and the serious problems of governance we observe in states like California? And that's in our own country, which we probably understand fairly well. To imagine that we know how to manage the politics of more than 200 million people in Afghanistan and Pakistan -- who are themselves divided into a diverse array of clans, tribes, and sects -- is the very definition of hubris.
Second, our leverage in either society (and especially Pakistan) is limited by our own conviction that "we cannot afford to fail." If we are unwilling to walk away and leave either country to its fate, then President Obama's assurance that "we will not, and cannot, provide a blank check" is meaningless. Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf diddled us for years because he knew we were so committed to his success that we would keep pouring in money even when we knew his government was still backing jihadi terrorists instead of cracking down on them. If, like AIG, Pakistan is "too important to fail," then what’s going to be different now?
Which brings me to the larger question: What is the strategic rationale for doubling down in Afghanistan and Pakistan? According to President Obama, the reason we are there is simple: We want to prevent these territories from becoming safe havens for terrorists who might attack the United States. In his words:
I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future."
So the ultimate justification for increasing our effort in Central Asia is the danger posed by al Qaeda, and in particular, the need to deny it a "safe haven." Agreed, but while it is obvious that al Qaeda is a threat, is it of sufficient magnitude to warrant an expensive and possibly open-ended effort to re-shape the politics of this region? Although Obama denies that this is his goal, how do we "defeat al Qaeda" without doing a lot of social engineering in both places? Obama clearly doesn't think that Predator strikes against terrorist cells would be sufficient, or he wouldn't be increasing the U.S. presence in Afghanistan and vowing to do more with Pakistan too. Vastly increasing the size of the Afghan army or convincing the Pakistani government to get serious about Islamic extremism are not politically neutral acts; indeed, their stated purpose is to alter the political environment in a positive way. Whether we admit or not, we are still engaged in nation-building.
Here we need to take a deep breath, and consider whether the actual threat we face there justifies this level of effort and commitment. In other words, we need some cold-blooded cost-benefit analysis, weighing the actual risks against the likely costs. And the latter includes the opportunity costs (i.e., the things that won't get done because we are busy trying to remake the political landscape for 32 million Afghanis and 178 million Pakistanis). I'll address that issue in a subsequent post.
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Look at this way: We have enough trouble getting reliable, efficient, and corruption-free government here at home (think Rod Blagoevich, Jack Abramoff, or the State Legislature here in Massachusetts, where the past two speakers had to resign in the face of scandals). So what makes us think we can root it out on the other side of the world?
At last Professor started asking realistic questions.
"I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future."
This is witch-hunting, not realistic at all or it is just to cover-up the real purpose to go there - sort of Bush'S Language. Professor knows that, but for some reason he can't put it into realistic words, perhaps to protect secrecy of some sort of National Interest not to attract lightnings or get completely excommunicated;->
I know Professor is not Freeman, Freeman is a free man who will be remembered by generations as the first resigner from saving state.
But, Professor, if I were you, I would warn Obama not to fiddle around that area too much, because those lands are indicated as the source for Gog-Magog even in the Jewish traditions;->>I know it is a very, very attractive area for World Dominance (in Turkish Cihan Hakimiyeti) and even Gengis started somewhere from there, but I wouldn't dare to take the risk to wake up Gog-Magog Mate, Obama will be playing with real fire out there, I bet that was Bush's idae to push him into this swamp which he himself didn't dare to jump in, maybe listening his Papa's advice;->>
Gog-Magog !! birrrr...Alexander the Great's last stop is turning to be Obama the Great's last stop;->>
Grand Sen~or.
The Af-Pak situation is not about nation building; it's about U.S. military base building. Otherwise, as Prof. Walt's analysis suggests, Obama's plan makes no sense.
Yeah, that looks like it, something like they have in SA to protect and control the National Intersts of the US in the vicinity.
I don't understand why Professor cannot put it that way as a realist, maybe he doesn't want to override Obama's BSL.
Grand Sen~or.
Marginalize, minimize, and monitor
I remember reading an article several years and from this article I have thought that the 3 Ms: Marginalize, minimize, and monitor is the best policy for counterterrorism. (I would give credit, if I could remember the author.)
It is the best formula exactly because military involvement has been too costly, and lack of knowledge of the region leads our military to fallacious actions that hurt our message. For example, we bombed a village based on an al-Qaeda tip which was actually an act of vengeance in a tribal feud.
Resources should be placed into penetrating and spying on groups like al-Qaeda to prevent and subvert attacks on our citizens. (Monitor)
Many of the more militant Islamic groups have 2 arms. Their primary source of support and expansion is filling holes of corrupted or weakened state. So, some level of social engineering is needed, but not necessarily the form we are engaging in. Here I took it to be some sort of leadership training/education programs. Accompanied by an incentive program that grants benefits or transfers to states for running good social service programs without corruption. (Marginalize)
Last was along the lines of a change of FP or at least its tome by the West to minimalize and delegitimize the message of these groups. In other words, they have a message that is partially based in a self-definition as the answer to what many Muslims see as militant behavior by Western nations. Wars like Iraq and Afghanistan, particularly when cases like Abu Ghraib and the example above come into play, perpetuate the idea that it is actually the Muslim world under attack by the West. Whole scale invasions give indirect legitimacy to the message of more radical Islamic groups because it gives a concrete example of the threat that they are trying to scare others into following them with.
I remember reading an article several years and from this article I have thought that the 3 Ms: Marginalize, minimize, and monitor is the best policy for counterterrorism.
True if you don't want to use them for other National Interest purposes. I was amazed to see how 911 is magnified out of proportion and still Al Qaeda is at the top of the agenda of the State. Terrorism can easily be converted to a political tool by State.
I would recommend :
"The Road to 9/11"
by Peter Dale Scott 2007
Grend Sen~or.
Realism & Understanding Islamic Politics
Realist foreign policy requires a realistic assessment of the international plays. Flinging around terms like Jihadi terrorists belongs to Neocon pseudo-analysis.
Islamic politics varies from
None of the groups are terrorist by inclination and maintain lively internal discussions of permissible tactics. The Arab Jihadis, whose numbers include many non-Arabs just as Zionists include many non-Jews, follow most closely American rules of engagement and generally reply in kind within the framework of asymmetric warfare. (See my discussion of Islamic politics in another context for more detail.)
Lashkar-e-Taiba is an Islamic national liberation movement. Its members and supporters probably cover the spectrum.
Only the Arab Jihadis really have much interest in attacking the USA and really only because of US support of Israel.
We can try to eradicate Arab Jihadism, but such a policy would validate the ideology and move more Muslims to support because practically all Muslims consider the State of Israel wrong, criminal and evil.
We Americans cannot be true to our own principles and support the continued existence of a racist Zionist state.
We cannot continue to permit a Jewish Zionist conspiracy to undermine our political and social system.
There really is only one solution to the current foreign policy problem, which arises from a complex interaction of various forms of transnational politics, Zionist political atavism, and the globalization of local political issues.
From Saving America in 100 Words
Financial collapse results from the US-Israel alliance, which is responsible for 3/4s the national debt.
The debt grows fast.
The alliance cost grows faster.
Israel commits state terrorism against Palestinians.
Israel and Zionists commit fraud and economic terrorism.
Declaring Israel a terrorist state would enable arrest of Zionists, asset seizure, and liquidation of Israel.
A $1-3 trillion clawback would fund banking system reconstruction.
Filling jobs vacated by Zionists would decrease unemployment.
A devastated AMA could not thwart health care reform.
Liquidating Israel and extraordinary rendition of senior Bush officials to Iran would improve foreign relations and discourage future presidential abuses.
In any case, Pakistani and Afghanistani politics is not complex. Our politics is a mess because Jewish Zionists are attempting to impose a hegemonic discourse to prevent Americans from confronting the issues openly and honestly.
Realist foreign policy - updated
Realist foreign policy requires a realistic assessment of the international plays. Flinging around terms like Jihadi terrorists belongs to Neocon pseudo-analysis.
I agree Professor uses a lot of such micky-mouse concepts invented by journalists if not by neocons;->>
Jewish Zionists are attempting to impose a hegemonic discourse to prevent Americans from confronting the issues openly and honestly.
I don't think it is true to assume that some Jews have such power to impose policies to State. Realistically speaking Jews are not in power, the secularo-fascists are in power to impose their laws and policies to all. It might be true that some anussims encouraging State to certain policies but in the end the decision makers are secularo-fascists whom might be ex-Jews, ex-Christians, ex-Muslims who are converted/assimilated to secularism or adopted/prefered secularo-fascist Laws to their own Laws which had been banned by them anyway. But as I observe here, it is quite effective to blame (zionist) Jews, (jihadi/terrorist) Muslims, (neocon/fundamentalist) Christians by secularo-fascists to keep their transparency while enjoying their power as State as prescribed by the Constitution. In other words secularo-fascists own the hegemonic discource at home and they want to extend it internationally, if not universally;->
And here is the Article of Transparency:
Amendment of ARTICLE ONE]
CONGRESS shall make no LAW respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of RELIGION...
(the Constitution of THE USA)
(key-words: Congress, law, establishment, religion)
Keep in mind that according to the Scriptures "religion" is also used as "laws". Guess what you get when you replace "religion" in the Article One to reduce it in terms of the Scriptures:
"CONGRESS shall make no LAW respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of LAWS..."
But of course CONGRESS makes LAW to establish its own LAWS.
As a small test, ask Allen Green, zionists, neocons, Pope and yourself;-> "Are you happy with such a contradictory article?"
I bet the answer will be "What is wrong with secularism and Congress making Laws and imposing it to all?". Axtually, I asked this question to several people who openly claim they are Christians/Muslims/Jews and got this answer and I break the news to them saying "You guys are no more Christians/Muslims/Jews as you think you are, you are new-born secularists!! Congratulations!!;->>".
Here you make a similar mistake:
Islamic politics varies from
1. Islamism, whose adherents typically are willing to function as modern Islamic parties comparable to European Christian parties in states consolidated along modern Western principles, to
2. Salafism, whose adherents try to define a modern Islamic state from first principles, to
3. Arab Jihadism, whose adherents really aren't interested in local politics but who feel obligated to aid Muslims besieged by non-Muslims.
Those categories are based on the given concept of "state". It doesn't reflect the reality of Muslim Politics. To understand the real Muslim Politics, you have to study political concepts introduced via the Qur'an. Otherwise, using your own pseudo-concepts you will always get distorted picture of the reality of Muslim Politics and worst of all you will take wrong decisions based on the distorted picture which might be very costly, like you are doing at this very moment.
Do you know, you Guys are bewitched by this concept "state", you can't think without it;->> Try and disprove me;->>
Grand Sen~or.
The expression Central Asian Valhallais almost as irritating as salvare apparentias, which should be ad visiones servandas.
From WAGNER : DIE WALKÜRE
At the end of the Rhinegold, we saw the chief god Wotan, with his consort Fricka and the other gods, crossing a rainbow bridge and making their way into the celestial castle named Disneyworld, or Walhalla in German. The name could mean the hall with a wall, or else choice hall (Wahl-halle), the abode of the choice people, the elect. However, the divinities were not having it all to themselves: it was to become a retirement home for heroes slain in battle. To transport them on high, Wotan (Woden, Wednesday's child) went down to earth and mated with Earth (Erda,whom we saw warning Wotan to give up the Rhinegold ring), and produced nine warrior maidens known as Valkyries. They would carry the dead heroes on their Pegasus-like steeds to the upper realm, howling and yowling and whoopwhooping as they ascend in their wild ride.
Gates probably meant some sort of Central Asian Shangri-La.
almost as irritating as salvare apparentias,
It is good that you at least get irritated by it, that indicates that you are conceptually alive;->>
Have you read Duhem's book yet? It is real fun to read that book. I recommend it to be read by every realist;->
Grand Sen~or.
Obama is either naive or a fraud
Does this war have anything to do with the financial industry?
Does it have anything to do with keeping a lid on Pakistan to protect the growing alliance between India and Israel?
Does it have anything to do with China?
Saying that it's just because of Al-Qaeda is disingenuous to say the least.
It's an imperial war with everything but the colonists (unless you include the presidios, like that one in downtown Baghdad). But there is more to the story: a Washington-Tel Aviv-New Delhi axis. US security community is planning for at least century-long stay.
I think we have a bigger problem with assault weapons right here, not to mention the destabilization of Mexico and arms trafficking sourced in the US (corrupt US border guards, it's not just the Mexicans).
But as Continental IR experts have also remarked, the undertaking is fraught with danger. NATO has left no space for the UN in Afghanistan. Its a war of the Atlantic world against several Afghani actors and will do nothing but unite the population...against NATO. Of course Washington knows this. Furthermore the Islamists cannot be defeated, even if Obama wants to wipe out the Ho Chi Minh trail through Waziristan.
Should have supported the Pak-Af leftists when we had the chance. Instead Washington was infatuated with using a revealed religion to fight the commies, who certainly wouldn't have been flying planes into buildings in lower Manhattan.
Did the US Support Arab Jihadism in Afghanistan?
Absolutely not. We supported the Mujahideen, who were generally hostile to Arab Jihadi volunteers.
CIA personnel of that time period were not even aware of Abdullah Azzam and his followers.
Arab Jihadism benefited from private funding and the frictionless environment of Hijaz, the USA, and Pakistan. Many activists were employed in International Islamic Organizations, but they tended to keep their day and night jobs separate.
Should have supported the Pak-Af leftists when we had the chance. Instead Washington was infatuated with using a revealed religion to fight the commies,
Even better;->
should supported the SU (like during the WW2) to beat the Afghans, then none certainly would have been flying planes into buildings in lower Manhattan, besides the SU would declare themselves beaten anyway, so you should kill two birds with one stone;->>>>
What a pity you missed the chance;->>
Grand Sen~or.
have a look at:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22274
Throughout the book Rashid emphasizes the degree to which, seven years after September 11, "the US-led war on terrorism has left in its wake a far more unstable world than existed on that momentous day in 2001":
Rather than diminishing, the threat from al Qaeda and its affiliates has grown, engulfing new regions of Africa, Asia, and Europe and creating fear among peoples from Australia to Zanzibar. The US invasions of two Muslim countries...[have] so far failed to contain either the original organization or the threat that now comes from its copycats...in British or French cities who have been mobilized through the Internet. The al Qaeda leader...is still at large, despite the largest manhunt in history....
Afghanistan is once again staring down the abyss of state collapse, despite billions of dollars in aid, forty-five thousand Western troops, and the deaths of thousands of people. The Taliban have made a dramatic comeback.... The international community had an extended window of opportunity for several years to help the Afghan people—they failed to take advantage of it.
Pakistan...has undergone a slower but equally bloody meltdown.... In 2007 there were 56 suicide bombings in Pakistan that killed 640 people, compared to just 6 bombings in the previous year....
In 2008, American power lies shattered.... US credibility lies in ruins.... Ultimately the strategies of the Bush administration have created a far bigger crisis in South and Central Asia than existed before 9/11.
It is difficult to disagree with any of this. Eight years of neocon foreign policies have been a spectacular disaster for American interests in the Islamic world, leading to the rise of Iran as a major regional power, the advance of Hamas and Hezbollah, the wreckage of Iraq, with over two million external refugees and the ethnic cleansing of its Christian population, and now the implosion of Afghanistan and Pakistan, probably the most dangerous development of all.
Ahmed Rashid's book convincingly shows how the Central and Southern Asian portion of this tragedy took shape in the years since 2001.
This is interesting: the hyphenation of Af-Pak.And the analysis, too.Why we should not commit to Pakistan and Afghanistan? For a number of reasons: We don't understand societies; the governments are corrupt and so are governments-in-waiting;our sole interest is to destroy Al-Qaida safe havens;and, so,there is no need to commit resources for both hyphenated countries which the intended goal entails.This is the case for keeping hands off. Brilliant.
Let me present the case for the US engagemnt in Pakistan.First, demographics:It's a nation of 172.8 million.And look at its population pyramid: 134 million people are below the age of 34.Second,economics:GDP:145.7 billion US$ at market exchange rate and 406 billion US$ by PPP;contribution of manufacturing sctor to GDP is around 26%;consumer price inflation is 20% in 2008; and inflow of FDIs is 2.2% of GDP.Not a pretty picture.Then, politics:It's an ethnically divided and regionally fragmented nation. Militants are posing a far graver threat: Swat is under their territorial control, the suicide bombers are exploding themselves in the urban centers and military is wringing its hands in FATA.But, a nation having such an unflattering resume possesses the nuclear bombs.And, some say it is an Islamic bomb.
So, what should US do? Look sideways.Launch a few drone attacks at Al Qaida targets.No. These are highly dangerous options. While USA is launching drone attacks, it is possible that Pakistan implodes and is run over by these militants. Therefore,USA support is necessary to push back Al-Qaida or Taaliban or other likeminded groups in Pakistan.
And, this needs to be done by strengthening capacity of Pakistan to launch counterinsurgency operations,by providing economic aid and by giving support to democratic government of Pakistan for building social and political consensus to combat militancy.A democratic government is better than a dictatorship.It is accountable to a certain extent. History proves it.Even, recent winding down of political crisis in Pakistan supports this argument.
And the US support for fighting militancy must be constantly reviewed and monitored.This, ofcourse, demands more creativity.And,if that means knowing about Pakistan,the largest economic and military power in the world can hire some Pakistan experts.
Afghanistan needs not augmented military force for a longer period but a political government.A government that comes into force after forging agreement with major regional power players and ,aboveall,a government that is not corrupt and incompetent.
The most disturbing thing for me about Stephen Walt's piece is the implicit assumption that the US/NATO has a right to intervention in the region. His policy critique begins and ends with the strategies being pursued to eliminate those who resist our presence, never once questioning whether our presence is at all justified. One can imagine Professor Walt's counterpart in the mid-80's, some Soviet academician, deliberating about the politburo's efforts to come up with a winning Afghan strategy. Meanwhile criticism in the West would be directed, quite properly, on the essential issue of why the Soviets were there at all; namely how wrong it is for an imperial power to invade and occupy a sovereign country and attempt to reshape it in the sevice of its own interests.
The most disturbing thing for me about Stephen Walt's piece is the implicit assumption that the US/NATO has a right to intervention in the region.
Good one!, Yes as being secularo-fascist state(s) they have all the right to intervene, by imposing their mono-laws they intervene internally on the affairs of their own SPEEs why wouldn't they practice it in foreign affairs for the sake of National Interest of State(s)?
Prfessor is not the policy maker, but he has to salvare apparentias - this irritating concept;->>
For me:
The most disturbing thing for me about Stephen Walt's piece is the implicit assumption that the State has the monopoly rights to intervention in the SPE affairs of SPEEs in the US.
SPEE = Socio-Politico-Economic-Entity (a draft theoretical concept)
Grand Sen~or.
Agreed, but while it is obvious that al Qaeda is a threat, is it of sufficient magnitude to warrant an expensive and possibly open-ended effort to re-shape the politics of this region?
It's hard to say. Al-Qaeda really is a global threat; plots for terrorist attacks in Europe and elsewhere that have been caught and foiled have been traced back to the Pakistani border region.
The difficult situation is, do you try to "bottle them in" there, and then cut off potential terrorist attacks once they start to take shape on the home country, or do you actively try to attack the organization that exists in its home?
Good arguments can be made for both. In the former's case, there were plenty of moments before 9/11 where competent information-sharing and action by the intelligence and law-enforcment agencies could have killed the attacks in the planning stages. There's almost a litany of errors and warnings that were ignored in the lead-up.
In the latter's case, there is evidence to suggest that these attacks are having an effect on Al-Qaeda. The organization took a major body blow after its Afghanistan sanctuary was wiped out, and at this point, it has more or less become merged with the Pakistani and Afghani Taliban, so you have to deal with them as well. People also won't give us reliable intelligence if they think we'll just up and abandon them in the near future.
In other words, we need some cold-blooded cost-benefit analysis, weighing the actual risks against the likely costs.
Well, we could always sit back and see if Pakistan goes hard-core muslim. They've tilted that way in the past (the dictator Zia heavily promoted Islamic law and a kind of Islamic nationalism, as well as support for jihadist groups via ISI), and the country has survived. If all else fails, India could just nuke the country to ash.
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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