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A couple of commenters suggested that my previous post on the Harman affair was adopting a "guilty until proven innocent" approach. Not true. I did say that I wasn't buying the spin offered by some of her defenders, but that doesn't mean I accept the CQ story as gospel either. I made two main points: 1) the idea that Harman might have traded favors in the manner implied by the CQ story had a certain prima facie plausibility (which doesn’t mean was in fact true, of course), and 2) that I hoped more information would become available so that we could determine what actually occurred. I also said I hoped that the transcript of the conversation between Harman would be released, so that we could all know exactly what was said (and to whom). Representative Harman agrees, and has now called for the transcript of the wiretapped calls to be made public. I hope it is.

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BLUE13326

11:27 PM ET

April 21, 2009

Actually, your response

Actually, your response seemed fairly reserved, considering how it intersects with your book's thesis.

 

JMSMITH5

1:35 AM ET

April 22, 2009

Please post your top 10

Please post your top 10 journal articles! I've already bought 4 of the books on your lists! Thanks very much.

 

CESCA

1:48 AM ET

April 22, 2009

Harman protests too, too much

Apart from the irony (lost on Jane Harman, of course ) that she ended up being monitored, on account of communicating with third persons who were also being monitored, whilst she was put her political shoulder for the monitoring of anything with a pulse - albeit not herself or anyone else either at AIPAC or doing business with them.
The AIPAC espionage case has been strung out, the Washington post thinks it should be dropped altogether, (quel surprise) meanwhile Rosen has the chutzpah to sue AIPAC whilst leading the campaign against Chas Freeman being allowed anywhere near the NIE. (you can take the boy outa AIPAC but not AIPAC outa the boy!).

RobertD asks: "What "special relationship" do we have to blame on that type of neglect?"

The one that manoeuvred us into attacking Iraq in the first place. The same one that wants us to attack Iran on account of the "newest, new, new Hitler." People who invent intelligence to lie us into war, people who don't care about our troops or Iraqi lives - the kind of people who don't care about the Geneva Convention much less the constitution.

A very fair appraisal from Steve Walt who is giving an awful lot of benefit of the doubt.
Enough is enough. AIPAC must be registered as an agent of a foreign country, and sure, any similar group operating similarly, should also be registered.

 

ANTIAPARTHEID

2:38 PM ET

April 22, 2009

To preserve everything....

All the lobbies must be registered as agents of a foreign government.

AIPAC, Egypt PAC, Friends of Chechnya, and all the other quisling foreign lobbies NEED TO BE FORCED into being registered under the FARA act most assuredly.

Let's start with AIPAC and the Saudis, then run down the line until we have our country back.

 

BURNINGCHROME

5:43 AM ET

April 22, 2009

and?

Of course you don't find it oddly coincidental as the US government's case collapses and they are rumoured to be considering simply dropping the prosecution,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/21/AR2009042102602_2.html?nav=hcmodule&sid=ST2009042102644,
unnamed sources are now suggesting influence has been used to effect the very same thing? This doesn't seem oddly convenient?

Perhaps the same unnamed people who were behind what is now becoming increasingly clear attempt to find Jewish spies, when in fact their was no spying and an old archaic law was being greatly overextended in an unprecedented way no one had ever previously anticipated or considered using. Because like you Mr. Walt they acted on their basest prejudices and believe Jews simply can't be loyal citizens....

People will never know the facts, they emerge much later. The damage will have been done. The headlines will create the narrative and truth be damned.

 

CESCA

12:01 PM ET

April 22, 2009

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1080097.html

"Lieberman boasted about the intimate nature of the US/Israel relationship. Lieberman reportedly said, "believe me, America accepts all our decisions," and Ha'aretz added that he also said "the Obama Administration will put forth new peace initiatives only if Israel wants it to."

What does BurningChrome think, that maybe Leiberman only "thinks" Israel controls US foreign policy? If so, there's a lot of Americans who agree with him. Actually, there's a lot of everybody who agree with him. I love Leiberman, he's so refreshing, so candid - he goes on:

"I have argued for some time that Israel has insufficient appreciation for the 'Kremlin factor'; I intend to mend this gap," he said.""

I wonder if that means the Israel lobby wont be shooting dice with oligarchs anymore? In which case, Chechnya and Eastern Europe can breath a little more soundly. I don;t know what any of this means so far as American interests are concerned, ah, but who even remembers what an American interest is anyway. People who talk about Americna interests think Iraq was about oil.

BurningChrome, you should get a copy of James Bamford's, The Shadow Factory. In fact, it should be compulsory reading for Congress who then should be questioned, just how the hell such a state of affairs were ever allowed to happen. I don't know if this is the sort of thing that Ropthkof was meant (public angst over the prominence all things Israeli)when he bemoans Israel's falling stock because of "missteps by some poeple in Washington."

 

BLUE13326

1:11 PM ET

April 22, 2009

'but who even remembers what

'but who even remembers what an American interest is anyway...'

So true.

 

CESCA

12:28 PM ET

April 22, 2009

Oh, did anyone mention that

Oh, did anyone mention that no one with dual-nationality can serve in the Knesset ?

What we need is a President with a little Leibermanism in his stride - Note to White House speech writers. Get the President to say: "I have argued for some time that America has insufficient appreciation for the 'Knesset factor'; I intend to mend this gap, no more dual citizens will serve in any American administration. And that goes for dual loyalists too, we're all Knesset, now."

I think it's important since our relations with Russia (and everybody else) is at an all time low, meanwhile, now we're pretty much exhausted and bankrupted - Leiberman/Israel seem to be actively courting the Russians, whom he told, (Haaretz reported) 'it is Israels job to bring the US and Russia closer together.' I wish American could actually do that without the middle-man. Middle-men tend to be out for themselves.

 

ANTIAPARTHEID

6:36 PM ET

April 22, 2009

Congress has been doing some backflips lately...

Now all of a sudden they decide to go and do something about the NSA??

http://www.rollcall.com/news/34180-1.html

Strange timing by all accounts. It's time the dirty laundry be aired in public.
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/54_117/news/34122-1.html
Then again if the Netanyahu squad is in charge of the dirty laundry, does that mean certain officials in Congress have been unabashedly serving a foreign agency AIPAC over the concerns of their own people?

Such a thing is a serious crime on all fronts. Now it's just in the open. The "State" should not make the law at all.....it should be forced to follow it.

If factually AIPAC does run the NSA and was running the blackmail operation of certain employees, then the prosecution should not only not be dropped...

It should be expanded immediately to include a complete Grand Jury proceeding and the people will show up in mass to decide what does and doesn't define classified information. Period.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

 

ANTIAPARTHEID

2:18 PM ET

April 22, 2009

And here's the paradox in all of this.

Harmon is not the only one likely implicated, certainly from the looks of things people wouldn't even consider that to be true at this point.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/41905

And she was the primary backer of both the Lobby and the Administration's NSA warrantless wiretapping which is still going on.

Here's the problem, it appears that AIPAC itself is probably in control of the NSA now.
http://whatreallyhappened.com

Which also means political appointees in the NSA were probably trying to out Harmon, to make a possible "fall guy" for the lobby.

As well the intelligence octopus of the AIPAC-Mossad-Foreign surveillance inside of the National Security Agency has been known for some great deal of time and should be quite a bit troubling for seasoned observors.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1070

So my real question is, just what politicians are not compromised over the long history of this.

And why aren't there any politicians of merit calling for a total upending investigation of the NSA for that matter, disclosing to the public the facts?

 

RICHARD WITTYQ

12:45 AM ET

April 23, 2009

Its an invasion of a representative's privacy

"The walls have ears" is too intrusive.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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