Wednesday, May 6, 2009 - 11:31 PM
Andrew Sullivan wonders “why can’t Israel just declare that it’s a nuclear power?" Good question. I’ve never had much problem with Israel having a nuclear arsenal myself -- if I were Israeli, I’d want one too. Nor am I surprised that they don’t want their neighbors to follow suit, because that’s basically been our position too. The United States would clearly prefer to be the only country with nuclear weapons; the problem is that it’s difficult-to-impossible to maintain a nuclear monopoly in perpetuity without fighting a lot of preventive wars. And the same goes for Israel too.
As for Israel’s policy of nuclear ambiguity -- “we will not be first to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East, but we will not be second” -- it was probably an effective ploy for awhile. It was easier for some Arab governments to live with the asymmetry if Israel wasn’t bragging about it, and it allowed the U.S. and the Europeans to turn a blind eye to the problem in various non-proliferation forums. See Sullivan's follow up here. But this polite fiction lost its hexing power some time ago, and now it just looks disingenuous. More importantly, refusing to come clean isn’t affecting anyone’s calculations today, and certainly not in the places that matter most (like Tehran).
There is a substantial literature addressing Sullivan’s original question, and a good place to start is Shai Feldman’s Israeli Nuclear Deterrence (Columbia University Press, 1981). Its core argument was straightforward: 1) nuclear deterrence works, especially for the protection of a state’s core territory; 2) other governments in the region understand this, and there’s every reason to believe deterrence would work in the Middle East; 3) Israel should openly declare its nuclear capability and adopt an explicit policy of deterrence; and 4) relying more heavily on deterrence would reduce the importance of strategic depth and facilitate Israel’s withdrawal from the Occupied Territories as part of a regional peace agreement. Note that Feldman was writing back when Iraq and Syria were still Soviet client states, when there was no peace treaty between Israel and Jordan, and when Israel’s economy was much smaller. Of course, that was also before there were half a million Israelis living outside the 1967 borders.
Today, one could argue that the Israeli government could reassure its citizens about a possible “existential” threat from Iran by advertising its own far more impressive nuclear capability and reminding its that any Iranian attack on Israel would be an act of national suicide. The problem, of course, is that calling attention to Israel’s existing arsenal weakens the case for opposing Iran’s nuclear programs. And that might be part of the answer to Sullivan’s query: Israel can’t declare that it is a nuclear weapons state when it’s trying to convince the rest of the world that it's totally illegitimate for Iran to become one too.
For a history of Israel’s nuclear program, check out Avner Cohen’s Israel and the Bomb. And for a qualified defense of Israel’s policy of ambiguity, see Ze’ev Maoz, “The Mixed Blessing of Israel’s Nuclear Policy,” in the Fall 2003 issue of International Security.
Alan Hart summarizes succinctly the real issue of an Iran with nuclear capabilities in his movie review "Farewell Israel": Myth and Reality:
Perhaps without realising that he has let a great, big cat out of the bag, Joel Gilbert [director of the documentary film FAREWELL ISRAEL, Bush, Iran and The Revolt of Islam] has provided the answer. He says (my emphasis added): "Even without attacking Israel, the mere capabilty of Iranian missiles to lay waste to Tel Aviv would create a 'strategic umbrella,' preventing Israel from using its superior strategic assets in a conventional war. With Israeli missiles neutralised, Muslim countries could overwhelm Israel with their superior numbers, conventional armor and short range missiles."
And that's the real point. Israel's military leaders and their political yes-men don't believe, and never have believed, that Iran, if it possessed nuclear weapons, would unleash them in a first strike against the Zionist state. The real problem for its leaders is that the moment Israel ceased to be the only nuclear-armed power in the region, would be the moment it lost its ability to impose its will on the region. And actually the world.
The Israel Lobby and American Society discusses the connection between Israel's push to acquire nuclear weapons and the Israel Lobby/Zionist Virtual Colonial Motherland in the section entitled Security.
In the lingo this is known as "complellence".
No-one thinks Iran will use nukes against Israel.
US and Israel do not want Iran to have nukes as then they would have to sit down with Iran and take her concerns into account in the region, and the world.
We don't want peaceful deterrence with Iran.
We want to be able to DICTATE our way, or the highway.
This can only end badly. It is not the United States of the World -- as pointed out by the founding fathers.
if I were Israeli, I’d want one too.
I don't understand why Professor?
Haven't you got some assurance from the EUS that when your existance is under threat she will come to your help and they have those WMD, don't they?
But forget about this for a sec;-> My real question is;->
What would you want if you were Palestinian?;->>
On the other hand realistically speaking Israel's owning WMDs doesn't mean that Israel has full freedom to employ them as she wills, otherwise the EUS would consider that as a National Threat according to the SATFP;->
I mean what is the difference between Iran and Israel in relation to WMDs if you start considering Israel as just another State rather than a Client State. And also I don't think Israel's WMD capability is such a secret and people are interested to know about it that much as long as the EUS is within reach;->>
Professor, we are here assuming you are realistic in your IR postings on this Blog;->
Grand Sen~or.
I mean what is the difference between Iran and Israel in relation to WMDs if you start considering Israel as just another State rather than a Client State.
The difference between a State, Israel, trying to live in peace who has never said they had any intention of destroying Iran, and one that has openly said they wish to destroy a UN member State, Israel.
In short, the difference between the Allies and the Axis' the French, Poles, Brits etc., and Hitler's Nazis.
My Dear Sternlight, I think you didn't get my message. My message is composed according to the SATFP. And in the SATFP there is no room for "intention" but there is a room for power, threat, no moral/legal constraints:
3. There exists a competitive arena where states acts as they do.
4. There exists no central authority in that arena that can enforce moral or legal constraints.
5. States commit morally dubious acts (dubious according to what? The Blog knows) (see axiom 4)(Why this is here? Didn't the Blog declare that SATFP is essencially amoral?)
9. A State's power is a potential threat to other states. A state is by definition paranoid of other states.
11. A State talks sweet but carries her power peeping under her cloak to deterre the potential threats of other states. (McCain the Presidential Candidate 2008)
So what I say about no-client States is meaningful according to the above axioms. But your statements about states is sophistry, you have no alternative theory of FR. If you have one bring it and show us what you mean by State.
Otherwise your painting gloomy pictures by patching states from ME to EU doesn't impress me Mate!
I am thankful to Ancient Greeks that they have invented Logic to deal with such sophistry;->>
Bring your theory Mate!
And demonstrate us how you reached the following statements:
Israel, trying to live in peace
she will never commit morally dubious actsher power is not a potential threat to other states
Israel doesn't act as she does
Israel talks sweet but doesn't carry her power peeping under her cloak to deterre the potential threats of other states.
if you think Israel is not a Client-State.
Grand Sen~or.
The problem, of course, is that calling attention to Israel’s existing arsenal weakens the case for opposing Iran’s nuclear programs.
To pick a nit here...I don't think it weakens the case, I think it offers a distraction to the practical steps being taken to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons. This is, of course, why Iran and those who want to see it get the bomb are bringing it up.
Does anyone know what Egypt's position is on this? I know that even recently they have been agitating to get Israel to declare and/or disarm. It strikes me that it would be in Egypt's short and medium term interest for Israel to have the bomb given the current dynamics in the middle east.
I just read Sullivan's piece. This is laughable:
Maybe I'm missing something here. I'm not versed in the history of this. But it begins to look once again as if Israel is privileged not as normal allies are privileged, but as a very special case which has the right to have nukes, while demanding none of its neighbors does, and that we cannot even say it has such a capacity; that it has the right to launch wars and threaten wars against its neighbors, but its neighbors have no right to do the same, and so on. It doesn't seem healthy to me - for the US or for Israel.
Actually, barring N. Korea, we accept that the other non-NPT states have nuclear weapons and demand that none of their neighbors do. Any ambiguity was removed by the states themselves because they 'publicly' tested their weapons, so one can't say what policy decision we would have potentially made about acknowledging or not acknowledging their arms otherwise.
As for the 'right to lauch wars' etc, it points to the fact that when Andrew says, "I'm not versed in the history of this.", it is a massive understatement.
This is good analysis from Walt, but it could have been made without riffing off of or linking to Sullivan's shallowness.
Hell, Israel can to WHATEVER they want.
you say "Israel can’t declare that it is a nuclear weapons state when it’s trying to convince the rest of the world that it's totally illegitimate for Iran to become one too. "
Yes, it also cannot say that it is a member of the NPT, like Iran.
Israel also cannot say it has never attacked its neighbors in the last 50 years: it attacked, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Gaza.
Israel is an aggressive, nuclear armed pariah state, as we've discussed at length on this blog.
Yes, but they are allowed to do whatever they want because, according to Zionists, G*d said it is OK -- whereas this is, in fact, antithetical to Judaism. And American taxpayers fund their illegitimacy.
A country the size of Delaware and adj Cecil County in Maryland
This country the size of Delaware and the adjacent Cecil County in Maryland, has disrupted world peace many times through its many wars with its neighbors, has been the primary source of terrorism, and its misplacement has on several occasions disrupted the world economy.
To top this, - this tiny micro-state has since the 1950'ties been building up a secret nuclear arms stockpile (the 4. largest in the World no less - and it hasn't signed the NPT! (like Iran)). Many secrets and know-hows it has over the years stolen from what is now its only ally on the surface on the Earth. But for how long? When will America rise up and cut this laughable little, chauvinistic and arrogant country off?
All honest men and women from small countries , loyal allies to The United States of America, demands that America settles this issue. It is simply too dangerous for the fate of our world to have this colonial experiment go on for much longer. It flies in the face of all free people to have colonialists behaving like this in the 21. century. And that America should sanction this -- America whose ideals helped bring and end to colonialism is simply so out of tune -- and I am sorry to say -- also brought you 9/11. So what you are doing in Afghansitan or Iraq God knows. Maybe try to address the real culprit for a change.
Someone here must have missed World History 101...
Or are you still stuck in fourth grade? I wouldn't be surprised.
The US has varied interests around the world, and its dealings in Afghanistan and Iraq, whether justified or not, have nothing to do with Israel. Or would you claim that the embargo on Cuba is also the implementation of Israeli policy? That's the problem with deranged conspiracists such as yourself: the dumber an idea sounds, the more plausible it is for you.
Also, the US is the epitome of a colonialist country, having been founded through the slaughtering and disposessing of millions of Indians and, later, Africans. In fact, much of the Western World shares a similar history. The conclusion is that any solution cannot be based on some moralistic tsk-tsking, but rather on rational and goal-oriented solutions that take into account the complexities on the ground. Here's a clue: it won't come from simplistic viewpoints such as your own.
A Nuclear Armed Iran Is Nothing for Israel to Worry About
There is another reason for Israel to remain officially non-committal about its possession of nuclear weapons and for the United States to prefer Israel's ambiguity on the subject; it prevents embarrassment to America’s Arab allies.
The reality is that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Kuwait, UAE and even the Palestinian Authority have all lived with the knowledge that Israel possesses nuclear weapons quite comfortably. The reason for this is simple; none of them view Israeli nuclear weapons as a threat. In fact, if Iran develops nuclear weapons these States know that not only will they be protected under the nuclear umbrella of the United States, but in a sense they will also be protected under Israel's nuclear umbrella.
It is quite ironic really that these Sunni Arab states view Israeli nuclear weapons with disinterest (despite their occasional perfunctory public pronouncements to the contrary)but view a Shiite nuclear weapon with extraordinary alarm. If Israel were to announce its possession of these weapons, this fact would be on display for all to see and this might make the Sunni Arab states quite uncomfortable.
Parenthetically, Israel should view a nuclear armed Iran as a strategic asset not a liability. Israel possesses scores of thermonuclear weapons not the crude fission weapons Iran might obtain; Israel's delivery capabilities are far superior to anything Iran can dream of and Israel will have a second strike capability (e.g. through submarines it is getting from the Germans) that Iran is unlikely to achieve in the foreseeable future.
A belligerent Iran is no threat to Israel (in the nuclear sense) but scares the hell out of Israel's Sunni Arab neighbors.
From Israel's perspective, what could be better?
It's not the nukes, it the terrorists
It is not that Sunni Arab states are relaxed about Israeli nukes - it is that the key Sunni states in the region - Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the Gulf states - are allies of the United States, and hence know they would not be targeted by Israeli nuclear weapons.
Israel has a legitimate worry that a nuclear Iran would behave like Pakistan does to India - continue to provide support to terrorist groups, while sitting safely behind a nuclear shield. After Pakistan tested its nuclear weapons in 1998, it attempted to seize Indian Kashmiri territory in 1999, Pakistani-based groups hijacked an Indian airliner that same year, an attack on the Indian Parliament in 2001, and increasing number of attacks on civilian targets. Israel is right to want to avoid that outcome - but its current tactics are more likely to bring about that outcome, unless the Obama administration can get it to change.
key Sunni states in the region - Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the Gulf states - are allies of the United States AND are also where the terrorists come from since they have repressive governments who give no vent to their views and thus drive them underground.
The question is why are these repressive regimes US allies? In the case of Egypt, because Mubarak -- not Egyptians -- recognizes Israel in exchange for $2billion US aid per year. Why is there no press on how horrible the Egyptian government is?
Israel is _rightly_ the target of freedom fighters (aka terrorists) trying to throw off repressive occupiers.
Even Nelson Mandela was labeled a terrorist...Americans fighting the Brits were terrorists...Even Israel was born out of Zionist terrorism.
Prof. how about a post on the label of "Terrorist"?
Israel has not suffered any terrorist attack from an Arab state with which it has a peace treaty (Egypt & Jordan) or an Arab nation that is allied with the U.S. - no Saudi ever committed an act of terrorism against Israel. Egypt does an admirable job of monitoring its border with Gaza to crack down on arms trafficking.
OTOH - the U.S. has suffered from terrorism by men who originated in countries that are its allies. We have been attacked primarily because we are seen as propping up Arab despots. If there was no Israel, and we still supported Arab despots, we would still likely be the victims of terrorism from those regions.
...so we should:
1. stop propping up arab despots
2. stop giving $3billion to Israel in MILITARY AID per YEAR so that it can bomb civilians.
I agree with you, both support of arab despots and Israel are reasons that we are a target of terrorism. We should end both.
Were the major military actors in the area just states, like 30 years ago, I'd say that a mutual deterrence system would be a good idea for Israel. That probably won't work now, since there are major actors (such as Hamas) that don't fit into the state system, and that are too close to Israel to be realistically threatened by nukes (can you imagine a scenario in which Israel nukes either Gaza or the West Bank, considering how close both are to Israel proper?).
This blog has become a breeding ground for antisemitism. How else can one define those who start reading history from when Israel tries to defend herself, and not from the time the Arab states massed armies to destroy it in the cradle and "drive the Jews into the sea"?
"Blame the victim" is always the scoundrel's first thought.
""Blame the victim" is always the scoundrel's first thought."
So is making groundless charges of anti-Semitism.
Sorry, when you have holocaust deniers
and people who promote the Protocols on this blog, there's no getting around the fact they're anti-Semitic. Go read the blog of one Joachim Martillo, who posted above, if you don't believe me:
http://eaazi.blogspot.com/
I'll second kerpin's opinion. There are some regular commenters on this blog who do make anti-Semitic postings. And others, who hide behind the language of "the Lobby" and "zionism" and "Likudniks", make such ridiculous claims and promote the most absurd conspiracy theories that it's hard to think they are motivated by anything but. The confirmation comes when they slip and post some rant about "Hollywood" or "bankers" or some such (the other code words, divorced from issues related to Israel), which I have seen here.
I'm including the guy who claims to be Jewish while blaming most anti-Semitism on the "concept of Israel", furthermore claiming that "Zionists" thrive on anti-Semitism. This is a warped concept -- blaming the irrational hatred of Jews on the state of the Jewish people and going on to say they welcome it -- which does indeed blame the victim for bigotry, an old trope.
This doesn't change the fact that some people are too quick to charge anti-Semitism, but to be fair, we should also recognized that it does exist and some people who really hate Jews will hide behind a facade of anti-Zionism in order to spout their bile in a "socially acceptable" manner.
I see your name is "Stern Light"...please google "Stern Gang" is that where it comes from? Please change your name.
BTW, I am an anti-Zionist Jew.
I love fellow Jews and think Israel is a stupid idea. What is wrong? The land of Israel does not belong to Jews -- it is arab land and Poles, Russians, MOLDOVANS, AMERICANS etc. have been imported there. It is a travesty.
The concept of Israel is what is currently generating anti-Semitism in droves. But zionists love anti-semitism: it gives them a reason to further boost Israel.
I was wondering when our resident Israel Apologist and Accuser of Anti-Semitism would make his appearance. I notice you are lacking your claim of PhD this time, though; did somebody call you on it?
Am I missing something? Isn't it obvious that the ambiguity is just to evade the Symington Amendment? Israel does not want to risk their very generous allowance, and even the Congress does not want to be that obviously hypocritical as to void the Symington Amendment just for Israel.
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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