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Why does the United States spend more on national security than the rest of the world combined, and why do so many members of the foreign policy community believe that it is either in our interest or our responsibility to interfere in so many places around the world?  

As I've noted before, one of the most striking things about the recent economic downturn is its scant impact on America's global agenda. States and local governments are cutting budgets drastically, firms are laying off millions of employees, families across the country are trimming expenses and scaling back plans, and even SecDef Robert Gates is taking a modest whack at the armed services' budget request (though the actual budget will still increase next year). Meanwhile, the Obama administration just revised its budget deficit forecast upwards, to $1.8 trillion (we're talking real money here). Yet our foreign policy ambitions and international commitments -- in other words, the number of costly items on the foreign policy agenda -- seems not to have been affected at all.

One explanation is that this unbalanced situation is just left over from the Cold War, when we had good reason to spend a lot on defense and maintain a big overseas military presence. George H. W. Bush did cut defense spending when the Cold War ended (remember the "peace dividend?"), but it started creeping back up again under Clinton, who had his own problems disciplining DOD and kept U.S. forces busy with "dual containment" and various acts of nation-building. It continued to rise once the "war on terror" began in earnest after 9/11, and is pretty much back at late-Cold War levels now.

A second explanation combines some form of "hegemonic stability theory" and the theory of collective action. As Samuel Huntington, Tom Friedman, William Wohlforth, Michael Mandelbaum, and many others have argued in recent years, American dominance supposedly reinforces peace among the great powers, preserves a more-or-less open world economy, keeps the sea lanes free (except near Somalia), and provides assorted other collective goods. The United States does these things our of its own self-interest (or so the argument runs), but that inevitably means that other states can free-ride on its efforts. So the United States ends up spending a lot more than our allies do as a percentage of GDP, but we can't cut back because it would supposedly jeopardize vital interests. In short, we're stuck.

A third explanation might be America's liberal ideology and its sense of mission. In this view, the U.S. spends more because its citizens believe in spreading American ideals around the world. It takes a lot of hard and soft power to do this, and it sometimes leads to costly quagmires or hostile backlashes, but it is our historic mission and we should not shirk it. (Funny how every global power sees itself this way: Britain had the "white man's burden," France la mission civilizatrice, and the former Soviet Union claimed it was leading the world to the socialist paradise.)

These explanations aren’t mutually exclusive, and they probably help explain why the United States spends and does more than others do. But they don't tell us whether our current level of effort is excessive, optimal, or actually self-defeating. On that issue, I recommend Christopher Preble’s excellent new book, The Power Problem: How American Military Dominance Makes Us Less Safe, Less Prosperous, and Less Free. (Full disclosure: it's in a book series I co-edit, although I wasn't the series editor who reviewed this particular book). Preble tackles the familiar justifications for American dominance head-on, and shows that the usual pieties about global stability or spreading democracy are far from airtight.

Unlike Preble, I still think a margin of superiority is a good thing, but I agree that we've got a much bigger margin than we need and we often use it in the wrong way. Instead of exploiting our favorable geopolitical position and acting like an offshore balancer, and playing hard-to-get so that other major powers will bear a greater share of the burden, the United States has declared itself to be the "indispensable power" and decided that it’s got to take charge nearly everywhere. The result, as you may have noticed, has not been all the salutary. Instead of stabilizing the key strategic areas of the world -- something we used to be pretty good at -- in recent years the United States has been an actively destabilizing force. And instead of spreading U.S. values, we've ended up undermining them here at home and discrediting them abroad.

Moreover, as Preble notes, excessive U.S. dominance encourages others to act irresponsibly. To use Barry Posen's apt terms, states either "free ride" on Uncle Sam (think Japan, or much of Europe), or they engage in "reckless driving" (think Israel, Georgia last summer, or maybe Pakistan), because they are confident we'll bail them out if they get into trouble. 

Part of the problem here is structural: when you're the 800-lb gorilla,  it's hard to imagine that there are things you can't do and its easier to succumb to a sense of hubris. That's what happened to Bush in Iraq, and it may be happening to Obama in Central Asia no matter how much he tries to guard against it. But there's another explanation for America's disproportionate dominance and continued global activism: an imbalance of power between organized interests who tend to favor greater involvement and those who tend to argue for restraint.

America's rise to global primacy was accompanied  by the creation of a well-developed set of institutions whose stated purpose was to overcome isolationist sentiments and to promote greater international activism on the part of the United States. American liberal internationalism didn’t just arise spontaneously as America's relative power grew, it was actively encouraged by groups like the Council on Foreign Relations (founded in 1921), and a whole array of other groups and organizations. These institutions don't always agree on what specific actions the United States ought to take, and they aren’t the sort of clandestine capitalist conspiracy depicted by Lyndon Larouche and other fringe groups. But together they stack the deck in favor doing more rather than less.

Who do I have in mind? For starters, there are various civic action groups like the Foreign Policy Association, the World Affairs Councils, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, or the United Nations Association. Then there are mainstream international affairs institutions like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, or the Boston Committee on Foreign Relations. (More disclosure: I've been a member of all three, and still belong to two). Add to the mix heavyweight think tanks like the Brookings Institution, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the American Enterprise Institute, or the Heritage Foundation. Again, the people who work in these groups often disagree about specific policy choices, but virtually all of them tend to favor the energetic use of American power overseas.

These institutions of international activism get funding from foundations like the Ford or MacArthur (on the center-left), or Bradley and Smith Richardson Foundation (on the right), as well as American corporations who have an obvious interest in keeping the United States busy around the world.  Wealthy individuals with particular foreign concerns help finance their activities as well. The people who work in these organizations do so because they believe in the mission, but notice that pressing an activitist agenda also creates more government positions to aspire to. After all, if the United States had a more restrained foreign policy and a smaller foreign affairs establishment, there would be fewer jobs to compete for whenever the White House changed hands.

But wait, there’s more! In addition to the various general-purpose groups named above, there are also a vast array of special interest think tanks, committees, groups, and lobbies with their own particular international agendas. Whether the issue is Cuba, Darfur, the Middle East, Armenia, arms control, trade, population, human rights, climate policy, or what have you, there is bound to be some group pressing Washington to focus more energy and attention on their particular pet issue. And with 535 Congresspersons to choose from, there's a good chance you can find at least one to promote your agenda on the Hill. And let's not forget that lots of countries have gotten pretty good at manipulating the Washington scene, often by appealing to our own ambitions and telling us how much they really need our help.

By the way, I won't be offended if you toss in public policy programs like John Hopkins’ School for Advanced International Studies, Tuft’s Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School, or my own employer, the Harvard Kennedy School. These institutions are dedicated to various forms of social engineering at home and abroad, and to preparing students for careers of public service. I'm all for that, because there are in fact plenty of big problems out there and I'd rather they were addressed by people who were trained to do so. But no matter how well we train our students to weigh alternatives carefully, the raison d’etre of these programs reinforces the same message: don't just sit there, DO SOMETHING!

By contrast, there are at most a handful of institutions whose core mission is to get the United States to take a slightly smaller role on the world stage. There is the CATO Institute (where Preble works) and maybe a few people at the Center for American Progress and the New America Foundation. And there are plenty of peace groups out there with an anti-interventionist agenda. But these groups are hardly a match for the array of forces on the other side. And apart from Steve Chapman at the Chicago Tribune, I can’t think of a major mainstream columnist or media commentator who is a consistent voice for a more restrained foreign policy. Lots of pundits want a smarter foreign policy (though they often disagree about what that would be), and most of them have a pet issue or two that they like to flog, but how many have been arguing for doing somewhat less as a general rule?

In short, what I'm suggesting here is that America's role in the world today is shaped by two imbalances of power, not just one. The first is the gap between U.S. capabilities and everyone else's, a situation that has some desirable features (especially for us) but one that also encourages the United States to do too much and allows others to do either too little or too many of the wrong things. The second imbalance is between organized interests whose core mission is constantly pushing the U.S. government to do more and in more places, and the far-weaker groups who think we might be better off showing a bit more restraint.

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CLINT

5:24 PM ET

May 12, 2009

Founding Fathers did not intend for this crap -- Heed them or ..

America's system of government was tailored to domestic politics: checks and balances from representatives responsible to states. It is ill-suited to foreign adventurism, especially when much of foreign policy is held hostage to corporate/foreign/defense lobbying interests.

Here is what the Found Fathers had to say:

James Madison:

A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.

Virginian Patrick Henry:

A standing army we shall have, also, to execute the execrable commands of tyranny; and how are you to punish them? Will you order them to be punished? Who shall obey these orders? Will your mace-bearer be a match for a disciplined regiment?

When the Commonwealth of Virginia ratified the Constitution in 1788, its concern over standing armies mirrored that of Patrick Henry:

... that standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.

Virginia’s concern was expressed by North Carolina, which stated in its Declaration of Rights in 1776,

that the people have a Right to bear Arms for the Defence of the State, and as Standing Armies in Time of Peace are dangerous to Liberty, they ought not to be kept up, and that the military should be kept under strict Subordination to, and governed by the Civil Power.

The Pennsylvania Convention repeated that principle:

... as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil power.

Lastly Madison again:

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.
In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people.... [There is also an] inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and ... degeneracy of manners and of morals.... No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

Why do we fight now? There is, in fact, a must-see documentary on the subject:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9219858826421983682

 

CLINT

6:02 PM ET

May 12, 2009

Why do they hate us? Because of our stupid foreign policies.

Source: U.S. Defense Science Board.

Defense Science Board analysis: "Muslims don't hate our freedoms -- they hate our policies"

See section 2.3 in:

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2004-09-Strategic_Communication.pdf

American efforts have not only failed in this respect: they may also have achieved the opposite of what they intended.

American direct intervention in the Muslim World has paradoxically elevated the stature of and support for radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States to single-digits in some Arab societies.

• Muslims do not “hate our freedom,” but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in
favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the longstanding, even increasing support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi
Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf states.

• Thus when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy. Moreover, saying that
“freedom is the future of the Middle East” is seen as patronizing, suggesting that Arabs are like the enslaved peoples of the old Communist World — but Muslims do
not feel this way: they feel oppressed, but not enslaved.

• Furthermore, in the eyes of Muslims, American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. U.S. actions appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim selfdetermination.

• Therefore, the dramatic narrative since 9/11 has essentially borne out the entire radical Islamist bill of particulars. American actions and the flow of events have
elevated the authority of the Jihadi insurgents and tended to ratify their legitimacy among Muslims. Fighting groups portray themselves as the true defenders of an Ummah (the entire Muslim community) invaded and under attack — to broad public support.

• What was a marginal network is now an Ummah-wide movement of fighting groups. Not only has there been a proliferation of “terrorist” groups: the unifying context of a shared cause creates a sense of affiliation across the many cultural and sectarian boundaries that divide Islam.

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If we did not indulge in foreign adventurism, and backing immoral Israel, we would not be the subject of Islamic terrorism.

(Only Israel would be, and that would be OK as far as I am concerned as a US citizen since that is a repressive immoral state.) Anti-Israeli terrorism is the wrong means for fighting for a just cause: throwing off the oppressors.

 

COURTNEYME109

6:40 PM ET

May 12, 2009

Ease up

Clint - America intervenes about every 16 months - just since 1989.

As far as the 'world' hating America's policies - gee - with all due respect - many Americans are rightly proud that intolerant, illegit regimes with kleptocratic, murderous, genocidal - nigh unhinged 'leaders for life' and all their rocket rich rejectionist, girl hating fans fear and hate America.

We should be very proud of that.

Polls and studies taken - in an area of the world where free media doesn't exist and pitiful literacy rates do - included.

 

CLINT

7:55 PM ET

May 12, 2009

Pleanty of illegit genocidal girl raping dictators in Africa --

Start in Africa if Americans enjoy stupid counterproductive foreign adventurism.

Plus, America _supports_ illegit girl raping dictators in middle east: Saudi, Egypt etc,

I don't sense anyone fears America at the moment.

Happy you are proud of supporting dictators in middle east.

The CIA is not so proud of USA right now:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/graham-e-fuller/global-viewpoint-obamas-p_b_201355.html

 

COURTNEYME109

1:13 AM ET

May 13, 2009

Careful!

Sound an awful like the old school PNAC neocons, Clint.

Consider: Why doesn't NoKo just go ahead and do SoKo?
Or why doesn't Iran Surge through Iraq, Jordan and really does "The road to Jerusalem runs through Karbala" trip? Or China literally going overboard for tiny tiny Taiwan?

Two words sir:

GrEaT sAtAn

 

CLINT

3:12 AM ET

May 13, 2009

Great, Satan

Great Satan is Great Satan because it decided to go on adventures abroad: Mossadegh 1953 mean anything to you?

We started poking the hornet's nest and will pay for just as the defense science board outlined above. We deserve what we get.

USA does not have a foreign policy -- we have Heize 57 mishmash.

 

BRETT

6:37 AM ET

May 13, 2009

Great Satan is Great Satan

Great Satan is Great Satan because it decided to go on adventures abroad: Mossadegh 1953 mean anything to you?

The British were actually the main driver in the removal of Mossadegh, although the US did play a major role in supporting it.

That said, I'm not sorry about the Mossadegh intervention. His government was probably going to be toppled by one of the myriad factions that fissured Iranian society in 1-2 years anyways, probably the fundamentalist faction under Daod being the first to do so. We took the opportunity to get our guy in.

 

CLINT

2:29 PM ET

May 13, 2009

Savak

I guess you liked our support of Savak too?

 

BRETT

5:06 PM ET

May 13, 2009

The Saudis are arguably worse

The Saudis are arguably worse in some ways, but what can you do? We need the oil, and if it weren't for us another state - probably the Chinese - would try to fill that gap.

 

BRETT

6:39 AM ET

May 13, 2009

Start in Africa if Americans

Start in Africa if Americans enjoy stupid counterproductive foreign adventurism.

We've been leaving that to the French for the past two decades, at least south of the Sahara, up until recently.

Plus, America _supports_ illegit girl raping dictators in middle east: Saudi, Egypt etc,

So? While the US is a democracy, it is also a nation-state like any others, and our national interest is the primary factor in driving our foreign policy decisions. That means dealing with the regimes we have, not the regimes we want, particularly when major economic and political interests are at stake.

I don't sense anyone fears America at the moment.

Yet few are willing to openly challenge the US economically and militarily.

 

CLINT

2:28 PM ET

May 13, 2009

national interest my ass

Ha! It is amazing that what we are "doing in our national interest" according to zionist neocons ALWAYS ends up hurting our national interests.

See you at the end of days.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

8:05 PM ET

May 12, 2009

Yeah ease up Guys

it is not that all or half or none of the world hates you, but because;->

the SATFP axiom:

9. A State's power is a potential threat to other states. A state is by definition paranoid of other states.

Grand Sen~or.

 

FNORD

12:46 PM ET

May 13, 2009

Errrrm

Lets see, historically: Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Argentine, South Africa, Cambodia, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia. And today: Kirgizistan, Aserbadjan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Iraq ++ Yes, sure the kleptocrats of the world fear the US. Sure.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

6:57 PM ET

May 12, 2009

Professor, your comments on

Professor, your comments on Imbalance of Power might be illuminating given the existing Constitution of the US as a State, and serves to save the State. But Professor, your Constitution and State structure is detached from reality, therefore your comments are not realistic and with what is given, to issue orders like "don't just sit there, DO SOMETHING!" can only produce idling, if not self destruction;->

Grand Sen~or.

 

OMBRAGEUX

8:23 PM ET

May 12, 2009

50% of global defense is a lot, but 4% of GDP is not..

The global imbalance in defense spending towards the U.S. is the product of several factors. The most important have been the demilitarization of other advanced economies and the strength within American society of the National Security state and the military-industrial complex.

The tendencies towards demilitarization within the developed world (Western Europe, Japan) have long been underway. Obviously in Germany and Japan, post-World War pacifism and guilt have been important. In countries like France, the U.K., Belgium and the Netherlands, military power was undermined by its consistent failure to maintain long-term colonial domination in the 1950s and 1960s. The trend really became pronounced with the end of the Cold War, when the security of European states was fundamentally assured, and they could engage in a vast demilitarization. Now European and Japanese defence spending tends towards a near-negligible 1% of GDP, with the exceptions of Great Britain and France with their lingering Great Power aspirations. The fact that even if a major European country invested more substantially in their military, they would lack the ability to undertake autonomous action of any real interest anyway (not counting the odd British and French adventures in Africa..).

In what was once the place of the ‘other’ vast military-industrial complex, the former Soviet Union, the end of the Cold War was the critical factor. Russia no longer needs to invest (waste) so much of its national wealth into military forces to control Eastern Europe or participate in the nuclear arms race. Add to that that the Soviet/Russian economy collapsed in 1989-1991, and you understand why that country no longer factors into the equation.

China is the only rising economy that might rival the U.S. eventually in terms of defense spending. I suspect they will have both the potential and the interest in the mid-term future, but we are not there yet.

So the 'spending more than the rest of the world' factoid is somewhat misleading. It is not that the U.S. is all that militarized by most standards. This is not Wilhelmine Germany, interwar Europe, or even Ronald Reagan's America (about 6% of GDP to the military). It *is* high by today's global standards, mainly because other poles of military power - Western Europe, Japan, Russia - have demilitarized massively. The United States is the last country in the world today seriously interested in projecting substantial military might abroad.

I don't know if 4% of GDP is too high. Certainly, given the size of the U.S., its economy, its scientific successes, this has meant that there has been a rampant and sickening technophilia in the U.S. military. It has been evident since the Cold War, with officers and congressmen seeming to think all their security problems can be resolved by atomic bombs, huey helicopters, napalm and stealth bombers… In my opinion, one can trace a perfect line in thinking between losing in Vietnam despite dropping more bombs on Southeast Asia than the whole of those exploded in WW2 with the idea that Rumsfeld's "military revolution" would mean Iraq would be a cakewalk.

U.S. military power means our leaders will, every so often, misuse it. Whether this is because of hubris or miscalculation is irrelevant. Assuming no general war, in 20 or 30 years, I am convinced there will be American boys fighting a losing war in some other godforsaken corner of Asia. This is part of what the Founding Fathers' feared. America was meant to be different from Europe, with its vicious circle of power-hungry princes and ravenous wars.

America has not succumbed to despotism, but it has embraced a very European tradition of permanent semi-war footing, and military adventurism. This was literally un-American before 1941 and has been normal since. (And, to counter the arguments of a Bob Kagan: there were obviously American wars in the 19th Century, even expansionist ones, but there was no peacetime conscription or vast military establishments as in Europe.) So we have this ironic symmetry: the U.S. was exceptional before the Second World War for being the only civilian power, it has been exceptional since the end of the Cold War for being the last military power.

I think we could benefit from an honest and open debate on the issue of American military power. If only so that, every four years, we do not have these ridiculous pissing matches between presidential candidates as who is willing to be ‘stronger-on-defence’ by throwing yet more money at it... without ever detailing which programs in particular make the United States more secure. Although, to be frank, I doubt the country is capable of such a discussion. The fact that so many in our media and political elite portrayed the new defense budget - representing a 4% increase - as a cut seems to confirm this. At least Bob Gates seems committed to reorienting in a useful manner the necessary curse of organized violence.

 

BRETT

6:44 AM ET

May 13, 2009

In my opinion, one can trace

In my opinion, one can trace a perfect line in thinking between losing in Vietnam despite dropping more bombs on Southeast Asia than the whole of those exploded in WW2

Interesting example that you bring up, because arguably the US did not drop enough bombs when it needed to, back in 1965-67. That was before the North Vietnamese had tried to harden their military and industrial production to potential bombing, and as the Chiefs of Staff advised back that, a major, overwhelming bombing assault could have essentially wiped them out. Instead, however, it was done in fits and starts designed to "promote Vietnamese coming to negotiations", which had the practical effect of allowing them time to shuffle things around to be more resistant to bombing.

 

SREEKANTH

1:53 AM ET

May 14, 2009

good points but ...

Good points, and thoughtful post. I understand your point about the founding fathers' intentions, and what was considered un-American 50+ years ago, but we've long ago crossed that line, on many subjects beloved of both the right and the left (military, welfare). So I don't know how much we can let it hold us back if we've determined on a given course.

I think it is too much to say we have a "European tradition of permanent semi-war footing". We certainly don't romanticize war, or have a militarized upper class, like late 19th century Britain. We still have wars, but at least we're embarrassed by them these days.

Of the three explanations offered by Walt, I think the best is #2, which is that "American dominance supposedly reinforces peace among the great powers".

 

CLINT

7:59 PM ET

May 12, 2009

Nuclear Weapons Budget missing

BTW: Nuclear weapons budget is wrongly not included in defense numbers as that is channeled thru Dept of Energy and NNSA.

 

BLUE13326

5:53 AM ET

May 13, 2009

Non-interventionists tend to

Non-interventionists tend to get demonized by our media and presented as crackpots, like Ron Paul (disclosure: I voted for him). Sure, some have other weird ideas, but it's almost a certainty that if a politician argues for a more isolationist stance they will be put under the microscope, and pretty much anyone will have something odd in their past.

 

BRETT

6:32 AM ET

May 13, 2009

Yet our foreign policy

Yet our foreign policy ambitions and international commitments -- in other words, the number of costly items on the foreign policy agenda -- seems not to have been affected at all.

Many of our commitments - if not most of them - and the problems that require them will exist regardless of whether or not we are in an economic downturn or upswing. It's not as if we are drastically short-funded to pay for them, either; even in a recession, we still have the capability to pay for our military and foreign commitments, by and large.

 

AKW233

2:02 PM ET

May 13, 2009

Really? You're not even going to credit Jack Snyder

Jack Snyder made this exact argument in Myths of Empire, a book I'm sure you've read/assigned for classes, and you don't even credit him? Come on, Stephen. Play nice.

 

CLINT

2:25 PM ET

May 13, 2009

2010 State Dept budget versus Defense Dept (requests)

State 2010 budget: $16.389 billion

DoD [minus nuclear weapons in NNSA under DoE]: $663.8 billion

Why do we mess up the world? Because the ratio of "defense" to State budgets is more than 40.

We use a big stick and don't talk at all. We have forgotten how to talk.

 

BRETT

5:04 PM ET

May 13, 2009

State 2010 budget: $16.389

State 2010 budget: $16.389 billion

DoD [minus nuclear weapons in NNSA under DoE]: $663.8 billion

This is a completely meaningless comparison, due to the fact that we can't simply throw money at problems to have them solved most of the time. Sometimes, that works, like when the Egyptians and Israelis were already looking for a peace treaty in the late 1970s (US funding for both of them helped anchor the deal), but it's the exception.

 

CLINT

5:53 PM ET

May 13, 2009

No it is meaningful

If state budget was $1 and DoD was $1trillion you would know something was up. The relative amounts have meaning. Most State functions are now carried out by DoD as State does not have capacity. cf. DTRA's CTR programs.

This ratio DoD/State budgets can be compared with the ratio in other countries. PhD Thesis for someone there.

This ratio has much meaning, showing how we project soft vs. hard power.

You are, characteristically as it is turning out, wrong.

 

CLINT

2:42 PM ET

May 13, 2009

W. H. Auden

on why American Foreign "Policy" never works:

“What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.”

-W. H. Auden

 

BRETT

5:03 PM ET

May 13, 2009

It was not a particularly

It was not a particularly pleasant aspect of US foreign policy that we had to support a guy with a rather brutal secret police, but what can you do?

 

CLINT

5:10 PM ET

May 13, 2009

Ron Paul -- the only politician with balls?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fHfdSi-GDo

 

NUR AL-CUBICLE

5:22 AM ET

May 14, 2009

SuperNato trumps UN?

NATO is a big piece of this equation as well as the geostrategists seeking to extend it all the way to Mongolia. Strange future for an alliance meant to bind traditional foes France and Germany in a security arrangement.

I've read about so-called "security cabals" driving places like Sudan and I think we may have one right here.

Having power is a good thing, but the strategists should sit down against a sun-baked wall, pull down their sombreros, and consider its limits.

 

APARICIO

7:17 PM ET

May 17, 2009

Is the authors on Imperial Brain Trust you are taliking about?

When you say: merican liberal internationalism didn’t just arise spontaneously as America's relative power grew, it was actively encouraged by groups like the Council on Foreign Relations (founded in 1921), and a whole array of other groups and organizations. These institutions don't always agree on what specific actions the United States ought to take, and they aren’t the sort of clandestine capitalist conspiracy depicted by Lyndon Larouche and other fringe groups. Are you referring to the authors of the book "Imperial Brain Trust".

Changing subject a bit. There has been some really enriching studies on the origies of the fpreign policy establisment from legal scholars. Jonathan M. Zasloff´s on origins of the legalistic approach of the early CFR members (they were all corporate Wall Street Lawyers, begging with Elihu Root, Taft, Knox, etc.)

Really recommend

Law and the Shaping of American Foreign Policy: The Twenty Years’ Crisis, 77 Southern California Law Review 583-682 (2004).

Taking Politics Seriously: A Theory of California’s Separation of Powers, 51 UCLA Law Review 1079-1150 (2004).

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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