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There’s been plenty of speculation in recent weeks about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit to the White House this week. I don't think the visit will be particularly significant, however, and we probably won't have a good sense of where U.S.-Israeli relations are headed for a few more months.

To be sure, there are plenty of signs that Obama and Netanyahu aren't on the same page when it comes to some critically important issues involving the Middle East. Obama wants a two-state solution soon, but Netanyahu is at best ambivalent about that goal and may in fact be firmly opposed to it. Netanyahu wants prompt and vigorous action to stop Iran's nuclear program -- including the use of military force if necessary -- while Obama appears to believe that military threats are counterproductive and military action could be disastrous. Obama and his team have also signaled that they will not be as deferential to Israel as was the Bush administration. Given all this, one might expect some fireworks in the Oval Office tomorrow.

That won't happen, however, because neither leader has an interest in an open clash at this point. Netanyahu heads a fragile governing coalition back in Israel that is already showing serious signs of strain, and public perceptions that he was jeopardizing ties with the United States by picking a public fight with a popular president would only make his political problems back home worse. Similarly, Obama has a long list of other problems to worry about these days, and a public fight with Israel and its powerful supporters here in the United States would be a distraction he doesn't need at this point. Most importantly, there isn't any concrete issue on the table at the moment for them to quarrel about; this is a “get-acquainted” meeting where positions and preferences may get sketched but where the emphasis will be on trying to establish a personal rapport.

Accordingly, the two leaders may present different views, but they are likely to try to minimize their differences and convey cordiality. Netanyahu may even express some mild rhetorical support for some sort of two-state outcome, while doing his best to keep the focus on Iran and hoping that the “peace process” drags on without Israel have to make any genuine concessions. This appears to be the line that AIPAC and other parts of what M.J. Rosenberg calls the "status quo" lobby are taking: they would also like to avoid a public fight and want to minimize any perception of a serious gap between Obama on the one hand and Netanyahu and themselves on the other. Their strategy, which is reflected in the letter that AIPAC wrote for Representatives Eric Cantor (R-VA) and Steney Hoyer (D-MD) to send to Obama, is to pay lip-service to the two-state solution while imposing so many preconditions on the Palestinians that meaningful progress is impossible. One suspects that hardliners in the lobby will push Netanyahu to adopt a similar approach, and it would be surprising if he did not follow their advice.

There are two important questions on the table, and neither will be answered tomorrow. First, will the Obama administration elaborate and commit itself to a concrete vision that specifies in some detail what a two-state solution would entail? Or will it continue to invoke the "two-state" mantra while declaring that it is up to the (deeply-divided) Israelis and (deeply-divided) Palestinians to negotiate the terms?

Second, will Obama be willing to use U.S. leverage on both sides -- and not just the Palestinians -- to push them towards a solution? This step is essential to getting an agreement, which is one reason why AIPAC and other hard-line groups will fight against any signs of evenhandedness by Washington. If the United States continues to act as "Israel's lawyer," as it did during the Oslo process, there won't be any deal, which would suit the "status quo" types just fine. But please do remember that if there is no two-state solution, then the only alternatives are a binational democracy (not a good idea), ethnic cleansing (even worse) or apartheid (indefensible and unsustainable). Needless to say, each of these other options will be bad for the United States and a disaster for Israel.

Nonetheless, Obama could begin to lay the foundation for genuine progress by speaking candidly tomorrow. Once the pleasantries are over, here's what I hope the president will say:

Obama: "Mr. Prime Minister, I have five points to make about relations between our two countries and the situation in the Middle East.

First, I was elected president of the United States, and my foreign policy will be guided by what I believe to be the American national interest.

Second, I am convinced—as are all of my foreign policy advisors, all of America's other allies around the world, and my predecessor in the Oval Office -- that a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinians is the only feasible way to settle the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This means the creation of a viable Palestinian state on virtually all of the West Bank and Gaza, with mutually agreed-upon arrangements on security, air and water rights, the status of Jerusalem, custody over the holy sites there, and the refugee issue. Not only do I believe that this outcome is still possible and in the U.S. national interest, but I also believe -- like your predecessor, Ehud Olmert -- that Israel's own future is imperiled if there is no two-state solution.

Third, like you, I am deeply concerned about Iran's nuclear enrichment program, and I am committed to taking all feasible measures to ensure that Iran does not acquire nuclear weapons. But threatening Iran with military force or regime change merely reinforces its desire for a nuclear deterrent of its own, and only broad-based diplomacy without preconditions stands any chance of heading this option off. Military strikes can delay but not prevent Iran from getting a bomb, and would make both our situation and your situation worse over the longer term. Fortunately, Israel not only has a strong alliance with the United States, but it has its own nuclear arsenal, which is the best guarantee of Israel's survival.

Fourth, in addition to removing a major grievance that terrorists use to recruit followers and justify violence against both of our countries, ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will undermine Iran's influence in the region and make it easier to coordinate a regional response to Iran's nuclear ambitions. In short, if you are worried about Iran, you need to work with me to achieve a two-state solution as soon as possible.

Fifth, the United States has been committed to Israel's existence and well-being for 61 years, and that policy will not change while I am president. But I have learnt in life that when a good friend is headed for trouble, you don't do them any favors by remaining silent, or by continuing to offer uncritical or unconditional support. Sometimes, the best thing you can do for a troubled friend is to use your influence to get them to change their behavior. We have pressured the Palestinians to accept Israel's existence and to build effective state institutions, and we will continue to do so. And if necessary, I will use U.S. influence to convince Israel to do what it must in order finally achieve a lasting peace with its neighbors. And if I make the case for that approach to the American people, I am confident they will support me."

And here's what I'd like Netanyahu to say in reply:

Netanyahu:
"I appreciate your candor, Mr. President. Given our difficult circumstances, Israel needs true friends who are committed to its existence but who are willing to speak openly and honestly with us. I admit I held different views when I sat down here, but you've convinced me that we need to change course. I will need your help to make this work, but I want to join forces to make your vision a reality. Upon my return to Israel, I will announce a complete halt to all settlement construction in the Occupied Territories -- including "natural growth" -- and we will begin removing unnecessary checkpoints as a good-will gesture. And when I meet with other politicians and with members of the American Jewish community later today, I will ask them to back you in your efforts to bring a lasting peace to the region."

OK, I don't really expect either man to say these things when they meet. But even a realist can dream, can't he?

 

COURTNEYME109

12:41 PM ET

May 18, 2009

Future Palestine

Dr Walt - what do you reckon future Palestine would look like or be like?

 

CLINT

4:39 PM ET

May 18, 2009

Future Palestine

Palestine lives in a dangerous neighborhood next to a militant, aggressive nuclear armed country that has attacked 3 of its neighbors in the last 3 years: Lebanon, Syria and Gaza. Before that it attacked Iraq.

Thus, a future Palestine needs to be strong: it should have a strong navy, army and air force, and it should also suck the blood of American taxpayers (>$3 billion/yr) to pay for its materiel, just as its neighbor does. A future Palestine also needs to have nuclear weapons to deter the state-sponsored terrorist Israeli murderers next door. A future Palestine should also not sign the NPT and be a cry-baby when other nations nearby want to have their own nuclear weapons.

A future Palestine should import muslims from all over the world to buttress its population in accordance with a new-found "Bionist" philosophy that they should dream up to justify stealing land from Israel.

Palestine should start up settlements in Israel at gunpoint.

Hey, its a horrible place, the middle east. Tough times call for tough actions.

The Palestinians should have no morals in upholding their Bionist philosophy:

http://www.forward.com/articles/13388/

When the Survival of the Palestinian People is at Stake, there is no Place for Morals.

 

COURTNEYME109

12:49 AM ET

May 19, 2009

Future Palestine

Clint - thanks for writing all that. Whenever the Golf Channel or Canadian Parliment fails to knock me out (no diss meant to our crazy crunk cuz's up yonder) I can always try to make it through one of your responses.

Please consider a essay on Future Palestine, Dr Walt.

 

BRETT

5:50 AM ET

May 20, 2009

Considering from what I've

Considering from what I've read of your posts, Clint, I honestly can't tell if you are joking or not.

 

KALERGI85

1:10 PM ET

May 18, 2009

6:38 AM? Go back to bed! You

6:38 AM? Go back to bed! You have tenure!

 

DAVE123

2:49 PM ET

May 18, 2009

A decent analysis with a few

A decent analysis with a few flaws.

First your description of the state of the Israeli and Palestinian governments is sloppy. Maybe purposely for rhetorical effect as you can’t really believe they are in the same state of being "deeply-divided."

The Israeli government is cautiously united. They do in fact have a coalition government that is at least capable of negotiating a two state solution.

The Palestinian government is hopeless divided and are in fact still in a low level civil war as bloodshed continues between Hamas and Fatah. They are no where near forming a government which can negotiate let alone one which includes Hamas that will be remotely willing to even pay lip service to a two state solution.

Second, you have clear steps you would like Israel to take, but have none for Palestinians including stopping inciting violence/teaching their children to be martyrs, firing rockets, and Hamas recognizing that a two state solution is the only solution.

Third you do not recognize that a bi-national state could be worse than ethnic transfer as it would lead to a Lebanon style civil war with tens of thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands dead. Transfer is a horrible horrible idea, but a civil war with massive casualties would be worse.

Last, there is a fourth option if the Palestinians can't even form a government to negotiate. The Israelis unilaterally declare final borders along the lines of the Taba plan, end the occupation, and get recognition by the United States and Arab states who will be glad to have peace with Israel once Iran develops the bomb and they can have a new boogey man to direct hate away from their repressive governments. If attacked by the Palestinians, Israel would fight a defensive war. Not a good choice at all, even for the Israelis who would face serious casualties, but the Palestinians would have a choice of building a state along the Taba plan or starting a war. if they chose peace, then they would get all the rewards in monetary compensation and land offered to them at Taba.

As an addendum

Thérèse Delpech, a leading nonproliferation expert at France's Atomic Energy Commission, warned last October at a Brookings Institution lecture, "We [the Europeans] have negotiated during five years with the Iranians . . . and we came to the conclusion that they are not interested at all in negotiating, but . . . [only] in buying time for their military program." In those five years, she also noted, Tehran never implied that if only the Americans were at the table the clerical regime would be amenable to compromise.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124260085181828313.html

 

CLINT

4:45 PM ET

May 18, 2009

Yeah quote the French when it suits you...

Iran has signed the NPT.

Iran has inspectors poring over its nuclear energy facilities.

Iran does not have nuclear weapons.

What about Israel? Ok, then. So S.T.F.U.

Here is a PARTIAL list of UN resolutions the pariah nation of Israel has flouted:

UN resolution No. 237 -- 14 June 1967 Calls upon the Government of Israel to ensure the safety, welfare and security of the inhabitants, facilitate the return of those inhabitants who have fled the areas since the outbreak of the hostilities and recommends the scrupulous respect of the humanitarian principles contained in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949.

No. 242 -- 22 Nov 1967 Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include: withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; and termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.

No. 248 -- 24 Mar 1968 Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property. Condemns the military action launched by Israel in flagrant violation of the U.N. Charter and the cease-fire resolution. Calls upon Israel to desist from acts or activities in contravention of resolution 237 (1967). (This was an attack against Karameh, Jordan.)

No. 250 27 Apr 1968 Calls upon Israel to refrain from holding the military parade in Jerusalem which is contemplated for 2 May 1968.

251 2 May 1968 Deeply deplores the holding by Israel of the military parade in Jerusalem on 2 May 1968 in disregard of the unanimous decision adopted by the Council on 27 April 1968.

252 21 May 1968 Deplores the failure of Israel to comply with General Assembly resolutions 2253 (ES-V) and 2254 (ES-V) of 4 and 14 July 1967. Considers that all legislative and administrative measures taken by Israel, including the expropriation of land and properties thereon, which tend to change the legal status of Jerusalem, are invalid and cannot change the status. Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind all such measures taken and to desist from further actions changing the status of Jerusalem.

259 27 Sept 1968 Deplores the delay in implementation of resolution 237 (1967) because of the conditions still being set by Israel for receiving a Special Representative of the Secretary-General. Requests the Secretary-General to urgently dispatch a Special Representative to the Arab territories under military occupation by Israel following the hostilities of 5 June 1967 and to report on the implementation of resolution 237 (1967).

267 3 Jul 1969 Reaffirms the established principle that the acquisition of territory by military conquest is inadmissible. Deplores the failure of Israel to show any regard for the resolutions of the General Assembly and the Security Council. Censures in the strongest terms all measures taken to change the status of the city of Jerusalem. Urgently calls once more on Israel to rescind all measures taken by it to change the status of Jerusalem and in the future to refrain from all actions likely to have such an effect

271 15 Sep 1969 Grieved at the extensive damage caused by arson to the Holy Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem on 21 August 1969 under the military occupation of Israel; calls upon Israel to scrupulously observe the provisions of the Geneva Conventions and international law governing military occupation.
298 25 Sep 1971 Deplores the failure of Israel to respect previous U.N. resolutions concerning measures and actions by Israel purporting to affect the status of the city of Jerusalem. Confirms that all legislative and administrative actions taken by Israel … are totally invalid and cannot change that status. Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind all such measures….

338 22 Oct 1973 Calls for an immediate cease-fire and termination of all military activity. Calls upon the parties concerned to start immediately after the cease-fire the implementation of Security Council resolution 242 (1967) in all of its parts....

339 23 Oct 1973 Refers to resolution 338 (1973); confirms its decision on immediate cessation of all military actions; and requests the Secretary-General to take measures for immediate dispatch of U.N. observers to supervise observance of the cease-fire.

381 30 Nov 1975 Expresses concern over the continued state of tension in the area. Decides to reconvene on 12 January 1976 to continue the debate on the Middle East problem including the Palestinian question, taking into account all relevant U.N. resolutions.

425 19 Mar 978 Calls for the strict respect for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon. Calls upon Israel immediately to cease its military action against Lebanese territorial integrity and withdraw forthwith its forces from all Lebanese territory. Decides to establish immediately under its authority a United Nations Interim Force in Southern Lebanon (UNIFIL).

446 22 Mar 1979 Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East. Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind its previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories.

452 20 Jul 1979 Calls upon the government and people of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem.

465 1 Mar 1980 Determines that all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity and that Israel's policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in those territories constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East. Strongly deplores the continuation and persistence of Israel in pursuing those policies and practices. Calls upon the government and people of Israel to rescind those measures, to dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem. Calls upon all States not to provide Israel with any assistance to be used specifically in connection with settlements in the occupied territories; and requests the Commission to continue examining the situation relating to settlements, to investigate the reported serious depletion of natural resources, particularly water, with a view to ensuring protection of those important natural resources of the territories under occupation.

468 8 May 1980 Recalling the Geneva Convention of 1949 and expressing deep concern at the expulsion by the Israeli military occupation authorities of the Mayors of Hebron and Halhoul and of the Sharia Judge of Hebron, calls upon Israel as occupying Power to rescind these illegal measures and to facilitate the immediate return of the expelled Palestinian leaders.

469 20 May 1980 Strongly deplores the failure of Israel to implement resolution 468 (1968). Calls again upon the Government of Israel, as occupying Power, to rescind the illegal measures taken by the Israeli military occupation authorities in expelling the Mayors of Hebron and Halhoul and the Sharia Judge of Hebron.

471 5 June 1980 Expresses deep concern that the Jewish settlers in the occupied Arab territories are allowed to carry arms thus enabling them to perpetrate crimes against the civilian population. Calls for the immediate apprehension and prosecution of the perpetrators of these crimes and condemns the assassination attempts on the lives of the Mayors of Nablus, Ramallah and Al-Bireh. Expresses deep concern that Israel, as occupying Power, has failed to provide adequate protection to the civilian population in the occupied territories in conformity with the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Calls again upon the Government of Israel to respect and comply with the provisions of the Convention as well as with the resolutions of the Council, calls once again upon all States not to provide Israel with any assistance to be used specifically in connection with settlements in the occupied territories. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem.

476 30 June 1980 Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem. Strongly deplores the continued refusal of Israel, the occupying Power, to comply with the relevant resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly. Reiterates that all measures taken by Israel which have altered the geographic, demographic and historical character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem are null and void and must be rescinded in compliance with the relevant resolutions of the Security Council. Reaffirms that all such measures and actions constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Reaffirms its determination in the event of non-compliance by Israel to examine practical ways and means in accordance with relevant provisions of the U.N. Charter to secure full implementation of this resolution.

478 20 Aug 1980 Censures in the strongest terms the enactment by Israel of the "basic law" on Jerusalem and the refusal to comply with relevant Security Council resolutions. Affirms that the enactment of the "basic law" by Israel constitutes a violation of international law and does not affect the continued application of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949 in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since June 1967, including Jerusalem. Determines that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which have altered or purport to alter the character and the status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and in particular, the recent "basic law" on Jerusalem, are null and void and must be rescinded forthwith. Decides not to recognize the "basic law" and such other actions by Israel that, as a result of this law, seek to alter the character and status of Jerusalem. Calls upon all members of the United Nations (a) to accept this decision, (b) and upon those States that have established diplomatic Missions in Jerusalem to withdraw such Missions from the Holy City.

484 19 Dec 1980 Expressing grave concern at the expulsion by Israel of the Mayor of Hebron and the Mayor of Halhoul, calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to adhere to the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Declares it imperative that they be enabled to return to their homes and resume their responsibilities.

508 5 June 1982 Calls upon the parties to the conflict to cease immediately and simultaneously all military activities within Lebanon and across the Lebanese-Israeli border. Requests all Member States which are in a position to do so to bring their influence to bear upon those concerned so that the cessation of hostilities declared by Security Council resolution 490 (1981) can be respected. (Beginning of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.)

509 6 June 1982 Demands that Israel withdraw all its military forces forthwith and unconditionally to the internationally recognized boundaries of Lebanon and demands that all parties observe strictly the terms of paragraph 1 of resolution 508 (1982).

512 19 June 1982 Expressing deep concern at the suffering of the Lebanese and Palestinian civilian populations, calls upon all the parties to the conflict to respect the rights of the civilian populations, to refrain from all acts of violence against those populations and to take all appropriate measures to alleviate the suffering caused by the conflict.

513 4 Jul 1982 Expressing alarm at the continued sufferings of the Lebanese and Palestinian civilian populations in southern Lebanon and in west Beirut, calls for respect for the rights of the civilian populations without any discrimination and repudiates all acts of violence against those populations. Calls further for the restoration of the normal supply of vital facilities such as water, electricity, food and medical provisions, particularly in Beirut.

515 29 Jul 1982 Demands that the government of Israel lift immediately the blockade of the city of Beirut in order to permit the dispatch of supplies to meet the urgent needs of the civilian population.

516 1 Aug 1982 Confirms its previous resolutions and authorizes the Secretary-General to deploy immediately, on the request of the Government of Lebanon, U.N. observers to monitor the situation in and around Beirut.

517 4 Aug 1982 Confirms once again its demand for an immediate cease-fire and withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon. Censures Israel for its failure to comply with the above resolutions. Takes note of the decision of the Palestine Liberation Organization to move the Palestinian armed forces from Beirut and authorizes the Secretary-General to increase the number of U.N. observers in and around Beirut.

518 12 Aug 1982 Demands that Israel and all parties to the conflict observe strictly the terms of Security Council resolutions relevant to the immediate cessation of all military activities within Lebanon and, particularly, in and around Beirut. Demands the immediate lifting of all restrictions on the city of Beirut

520 17 Sep 1982 Condemns the recent Israeli incursions into Beirut in violation of the cease-fire agreements and of Security Council resolutions. Demands an immediate return to the positions occupied by Israel before 15 September 1982, as a first step towards the full implementation of Security Council resolutions.

521 19 Sep 1982 Condemns the criminal massacre of Palestinian civilians in Beirut; reaffirms its resolutions 512 (1982) and 513 (1982), which call for respect for the rights of the civilian populations without any discrimination, and repudiates all acts of violence against those populations. Requests the Secretary-General, as a matter of urgency, to initiate appropriate consultations and, in particular, consultations with the Government of Lebanon on additional steps which the Security Council might take, including the possible deployment of United Nations forces, to assist that government in ensuring full protection for the civilian populations in and around Beirut. (Massacre of Sabra and Shattilla refugee camps while eastern Beirut was under Israeli military occupation.)

573 4 Oct 1985 Condemns vigorously the act of armed aggression perpetrated by Israel against Tunisian territory in flagrant violation of the U.N. Charter, international law and norms of conduct; and demands that Israel refrain from perpetrating such acts of aggression or from threatening to do so. (Israeli raid against PLO Headquarters in Hammam Al-Shut)

592 8 Dec 1986 Strongly deplores the opening of fire by the Israeli army resulting in the death and the wounding of defenseless students at Bir Zeit University. Calls upon Israel to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949. Calls upon Israel to release any person or persons detained as a result of the recent events at Bir Zeit University.

605 22 Dec 1987 Strongly deplores those policies and practices of Israel, the occupying Power, which violate the human rights of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories, particularly the opening of fire by the Israeli army, resulting in the killing and wounding of defenseless Palestinian civilians. Calls once again upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

607 5 Jan 1988 Calls upon Israel to refrain from deporting any Palestinian civilians from the occupied territories; and strongly requests it to abide by its obligations arising from the Fourth Geneva Convention.

608 14 Jan 1988 Reaffirming resolution 607 (1988) of 5 January 1988, deeply regrets that Israel, the occupying Power, in defiance of U.N. resolutions, has deported Palestinian civilians. Calls upon Israel to rescind the orders and to desist from forthwith deporting any other Palestinian civilians from the occupied territories.

611 25 Apr 1988 Having noted with concern that the aggression perpetrated on 16 April 1988 in the locality of Sidi Bou Said (Tunisia) has caused loss of human life, particularly the assassination of Mr. Khalil Al-Wazir, condemns vigorously the aggression perpetrated against the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Tunisia in flagrant violation of the U.N. Charter; and urges Member States to take measures to prevent such acts against the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all States. (Al-Wazir (Abu-Jihad) was the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Palestine Liberation Organization.)

636 6 Jul 1989 Deeply regrets the continuing deportation by Israel, the occupying Power, of Palestinian civilians. Calls upon Israel to ensure the safe and immediate return to the occupied Palestinian territories of those deported and to desist forthwith from deporting any other Palestinian civilians. Reaffirms that the Fourth Geneva Convention is applicable to the Palestinian territories, occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and to the other occupied Arab territories.

641 30 Aug 1989 Deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinian civilians. Calls upon Israel to ensure the safe and immediate return to the occupied Palestinian territories of those deported and to desist forthwith from deporting any other Palestinian civilians. Reaffirms that the Fourth Geneva Convention is applicable to the Palestinian territories, occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and to the other occupied Arab territories.

672 12 Oct 1990 Reaffirming that a just and lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict must be based on its resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973) through an active negotiating process which takes into account the right to security for all States in the region, including Israel, as well as the legitimate political rights of the Palestinian people. Expresses alarm at the violence which took place on 8 October at Al-Haram Al-Sharif and other Holy Places of Jerusalem, resulting in over twenty Palestinian deaths and the injury of more than one hundred and fifty people, including Palestinian civilians and innocent worshippers. Condemns especially the acts of violence committed by the Israeli security forces, resulting in injuries and loss of human life. Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations under the Fourth Geneva Convention.

673 24 Oct 1990 Deplores the refusal of the Israeli Government to receive the mission of the Secretary-General to the region in violation of resolution 672 (1990).

681 20 Dec 1990 Expresses its grave concern over the rejection by Israel of its resolutions 672 (1990) and 673 (1990). Deplores the decision by the Government of Israel, the occupying Power, to resume the deportation of Palestinian civilians in the occupied territories. Urges the Government of Israel to accept the de jure applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to all the territories occupied by Israel since 1967

694 24 May 1991 Declares that the action of the Israeli authorities of deporting four Palestinians on 18 May is in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which is applicable to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem. Deplores this action and reiterates that Israel refrain from deporting any Palestinian civilian from the occupied territories and ensure the safe and immediate return of all those deported.

726 6 Jan 1992 Strongly condemns the decision of Israel, the occupying Power, to resume deportation of Palestinian civilians. Reaffirms the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem. Requests Israel to ensure the safe and immediate return of all those deported.

799 18 Dec 1992 Strongly condemns the action taken by Israel, the occupying Power, to deport hundreds of Palestinian civilians (on 17 December 1992). Expresses its firm opposition to any such deportations by Israel. Reaffirms the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem. Demands that Israel ensure the safe and immediate return to the occupied territories of all those deported.

904 18 Mar 1994 Strongly condemns the massacre in Hebron committed against Palestinian worshippers in Al-Ibrahimi Mosque, on 25 February 1994, during the holy month of Ramadan, and its aftermath which took the lives of more than 50 Palestinian civilians and injured several hundred others. Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to continue to take and implement measures, including, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal acts of violence by Israeli settlers. Calls for measures to be taken to guarantee the safety and protection of the Palestinian civilians throughout the occupied territory, including, inter alia, a temporary international or foreign presence, which was provided for in the Declaration of Principles, within the context of the ongoing peace process.

1073 28 Sep 1996 Expresses its deep concern about the tragic events in Jerusalem and the areas of Nablus, Ramallah, Bethlehem and the Gaza Strip, which resulted in a high number of deaths and injuries among the Palestinian civilians. Calls for the immediate cessation and reversal of all acts which have resulted in the aggravation of the situation and which have negative implications for the Middle East peace process. Calls for the safety and protection of Palestinian civilians to be ensured. Calls for the immediate resumption of negotiations within the Middle East peace process on its agreed basis and the timely implementation of the agreements reached. (The draft resolution was issued officially as a presidential text, which normally indicates unanimity prior to the vote.)

1322 7 Oct 2000 Reaffirms that a just and lasting solution to the Arab and Israeli conflict must be based on its resolutions 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 and 338 (1973) of 22 October 1973, through an active negotiating process. Deplores the provocation carried out at Al-Haram Al-Sharif in Jerusalem on 28 September 2000, and the subsequent violence there and at other Holy Places, as well as in other areas throughout the territories occupied by Israel since 1968, resulting in over 80 Palestinian deaths and many other casualties. Condemns acts of violence, especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians, resulting in injury and loss of human life. Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and its responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva. Calls for the immediate cessation of violence, and for all necessary steps to be taken to ensure that violence ceases, that new provocative actions are avoided, and that the situation returns to normality. Stresses the importance of establishing a mechanism for a speedy and objective inquiry into the tragic events of the last few days with the aim of preventing their repetition.

 

BRETT

5:58 AM ET

May 20, 2009

The Palestinian government is

The Palestinian government is hopeless divided and are in fact still in a low level civil war as bloodshed continues between Hamas and Fatah. They are no where near forming a government which can negotiate let alone one which includes Hamas that will be remotely willing to even pay lip service to a two state solution.

There's Fatah in the West Bank. Cutting back on the settlements and the internal barriers would go a long way towards actually bolstering that government, which is presumably the government you want (rather than a Hamas-dominated one).

Second, you have clear steps you would like Israel to take, but have none for Palestinians including stopping inciting violence/teaching their children to be martyrs, firing rockets, and Hamas recognizing that a two state solution is the only solution.

The governing authority that Israel and the US want to negotiate - Fatah-dominated PA - has already made a number of major concessions towards a peace plan. They've recognized Israel, which is something that Israel won't give to them in return (yet). They've actually made a good faith effort to build up a police force and law enforcement in the West Bank, even though the Israelis are constantly undermining that bedrock with settlement growth and the omnipresent checkpoints.

It's time for Israel to actually make some real concessions, like cutting back the settlements.

Third you do not recognize that a bi-national state could be worse than ethnic transfer as it would lead to a Lebanon style civil war with tens of thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands dead. Transfer is a horrible horrible idea, but a civil war with massive casualties would be worse.

Lebanon ain't too bad these days (relatively speaking). The civil war is over.

The Israelis unilaterally declare final borders along the lines of the Taba plan, end the occupation, and get recognition by the United States and Arab states who will be glad to have peace with Israel once Iran develops the bomb and they can have a new boogey man to direct hate away from their repressive governments. If attacked by the Palestinians, Israel would fight a defensive war. Not a good choice at all, even for the Israelis who would face serious casualties, but the Palestinians would have a choice of building a state along the Taba plan or starting a war. if they chose peace, then they would get all the rewards in monetary compensation and land offered to them at Taba.

This would probably save Israeli lives and money. Get rid of the checkpoints, but keep border control on the West Bank until the PA actually gets their ass in gear. Of course, there are a whole host of problems that would have to be worked out; some of the major sources of Israeli fresh water happen to be sitting under the West Bank, for example.

To be honest, what I think they ought to do at this point, if we're all so serious about a two-state solution, is just give Hamas the finger for now, and set up a mini-Palestine in the West Bank only for now. Work out some type of arrangements, and then let the PA in the West Bank do the hard work of winning back Gaza from the Hamas folks.

 

NUR AL-CUBICLE

5:59 PM ET

May 18, 2009

Casablanca

Netanyahu is one ugly Claude Rains. Obama makes a nice Humphrey Bogart, though (very smoove).

Netanyahu has found a new ploy. After proclaiming for years that Palestine-Israel was a local matter, Israel now wants a regional settlement. Not that's an excuse for another 100 years of delay.

 

CLINT

7:13 PM ET

May 18, 2009

Question is: What Will Congress _allow_ Obama to do?

It's largely irrelevant what Obama tells Bibi or v.v.

The congress, on AIPAC's payroll, will continue the self- and Israel-destructive support of the right-wing militant Israeli polity.

When Palestinians start getting >$3billion per year for arms from the US, I'll believe US is an impartial interlocutor.

AIPAC does not control US foreign policy. AIPAC neutralizes government oversight of foreign policy to the US' detriment.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

7:46 AM ET

May 19, 2009

OK, I don't really expect

OK, I don't really expect either man to say these things when they meet. But even a realist can dream, can't he?

No, Professor! Realists don't dream, they make TE;->>
Obama will enjoy the Kingdom, like an African King while the Lobbies running the US;->>

See Wikipedia for "Brak (or Braque) was the title of the kings of the kingdoms of Waalo ...." ;->>>
"Brak" "Barack" close isn't it;->>

Professor, I am just wondering why you Guys don't elect candidates from Lobbies rather than parties;->

Professor, maybe Obama will tell Mr Yahu what you TE'ed, but I guess Mr Yahu will respond something like;->
"My Dear President, you speak sweet but have you discussed this with Our Bosses yet?! Whatever they say Mate!"

Professor, give up your theories of FR and join the Lobbies, you would predict future FR events better;->

Grand Sen~or.

 

RICHARD WITTYQ

1:59 AM ET

May 19, 2009

 

JDKIRKK

2:23 AM ET

May 19, 2009

Midle East Peace

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/league/peace02.htm
Something along the lines of the "Arab Peace Initiative, 2002" would make a rational end to the violent turmoil in the Middle East possible, and that was a major reason I voted for Obama. With the election of Netanyahu that possibility disappeared, and I fear the future of Israel does not look encouraging. The fools in AIPAC have a kindred soul in the narrow view of the world glimpsed through the violent vision of the Netanyahu/Lieberman duo.
The United States is in more than a little danger from "unintended consequences" in striking a deal with these two.

 

NUR AL-CUBICLE

3:35 AM ET

May 19, 2009

Disappointment

Via the NY Times:

1) Mr. Netanyahu thanked Mr. Obama for keeping “all options on the table” with respect to Iran
2)And Mr. Netanyahu did not explicitly embrace a two-state solution

At least President Obama refrained from Bush-style high-fiving and politely asked that the West Bank settlements be stopped.

 

KEYRAN

5:10 AM ET

May 19, 2009

USA needs the support of the Catholic Church

If you survey the three Catholic magazines, you will hear only Holy Silence. From the bishops, there has not been a word about Gaza. Apparently, there has a been a deal with the Lobby, that the Lobby will not push too hard on the endless number of suits against the RCC, unless....

I am convinced this is the case and I would like to hear with SW thinks.

It is hard to believe that the Lobby can so easily silence not only the critics in congress, but the bishops, but what other explanation is there for the collaboration?

We are a Vichy country not only because the congress and the media are so gravely influenced by Israel, but the Catholic Church is led by Vichy bishops.

 

PLONI ALMONI

10:43 AM ET

May 19, 2009

Tired of cliches and slogans presented as analysis?

For once, some pundits have put aside all the cliches repeated by Stephen Walt, Philip Weiss, et al. and done some thinking. Check it out: a thoughtful and, I hope, important new article by Agha and Malley here in the NYRB. What these guys are saying is already common knowledge outside of the closed circle of punditry on this topic. I doubt if anything they say is original. Some of their points go back at least as far as Elie Kedourie. What's significant is that it's now being said by A and M, and in the New York Review of Books.

Agha and Malley have correctly framed the problem. What next? It's now up to Walt and others in his camp to catch up to Agha and Malley. Ready, set, go!

 

CLINT

1:17 PM ET

May 19, 2009

Good article. It ought also

Good article.

It ought also to recommend that US stop funding the Fascist Israeli military immediately.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

11:29 AM ET

May 19, 2009

Thank you for the link Walt. It is hillarious .

No, I don't mean hillarys :-) To think that the majority leader just put his name under a letter allready crafted by an interest group! This should be a criminal offence. Certainly it is something to be remembered.

THE WASHINGTON POST, May 15, 2009
In the Loop

By Al Kamen

    NOW, THAT'S LOBBYING

"Speaking of Iran and that region, House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) and Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) sent out a "Dear Colleague" e-mail Tuesday asking for signatures "to the attached letter to President Obama regarding the Middle East peace process."

The letter says the usual stuff, emphasizing that Washington "must be both a trusted mediator and a devoted friend to Israel" and noting: "Israel will be taking the greatest risks in any peace agreement."

Curiously, when we opened the attachment, we noticed it was named "AIPAC Letter Hoyer Cantor May 2009.pdf."

Seems as though someone forgot to change the name or something. AIPAC? The American Israel Public Affairs Committee? Is that how this stuff works?"

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

2:41 PM ET

May 19, 2009

Some books with very high information-content - and affordable.

I've just ordered the following books, and now have high-class reading content for the whole summer about the most serious subject in International affairs -- with the potential most devastating effects seen since The Second World War.

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It is your and John J. Mearsheimers:

  • The Israel Lobby and U.S Foreign Policy (15 $)
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What is more, they accept Paypal, which is nice for those without a credit card/wish to use it online. [Amazon apparently has their own version of paypal, and therefore do not wish to cooperate with Paypal]. And they send one book pr. parcel, and arrange it so that the books arrives (in my case) over 3 consecutive days, something that will also help to throw customs-officials off the scent (in case the books are send from the US - which apparently could be the case sometimes, but my books had the Royal Mail stamp on it).

All in all a nifty little case of british entrepreneurial spirit. It is the customers that should be at the forefront, and they clearly do not want to pay any customs on top of the announced price.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

1:17 AM ET

May 20, 2009

So?! What is wrong with

So?!
What is wrong with that?
Is lobbying a sin? according to what?
I think you Guys are jealous of the AIPAC lobbying;->>

Grand Sen~or.

 

CLINT

1:44 PM ET

May 19, 2009

Knighted UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&feature=related

"Not simply war criminals, they are fools"

"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

Please open the above link.

Astonishing claims in the House of Parliament. SIR Gerald Kaufman, the veteran Labour MP, yesterday compared the actions of Israeli troops in Gaza to the Nazis who forced his family to flee Poland.

During a Commons debate on the fighting in Gaza, he urged the government to impose an arms embargo on Israel.

Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, said: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town a German soldier shot her dead in her bed."

"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

He said the claim that many of the Palestinian victims were militants "was the reply of the Nazi" and added: "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants."

He accused the Israeli government of seeking "conquest" and added: "

They are not simply war criminals, they are fools."

 

FRANK OF AMERICA

2:49 PM ET

May 19, 2009

Two questions - 1) what's

Two questions -

1) what's wrong with a bi-national democracy? Many believe its the only solution that's likely to last. True it would require that Israel not be a "Jewish" state, which on the face of it is as racist as making the US or any other democracy a "insert name of religion here" state. If you want to be a theocratic parliamentary republic fine you will engender much opposition - but don't call yourselves a democracy and claim to share American values.

2) As the goal of the Israeli power structure and its allies such as AIPAC in the US and elsewhere is to continue the ethnic cleansing it began in 1948 what could conceivably entice Israel to make peace?

The Israeli power structure has ever been interested in peace w/the Palestinians. Yes, they made peace w/Egypt & Jordan and would like a treaty w/Syria and Lebanon because these are existing nations with armies and land from which to launch attacks. But the goal has always been to drive the Palestinians out of Eretz Israel. Read Ilann Pappe's "Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine." This book must have been discussed here already. Plan Dalet was conceived to force as many Palestinians out of Palestine as possible. There is an article in this month's National Geographic describing the Arab Christian exodus from the Middle East and specifically the West Bank because Israel makes life intolerable spurring emigration. Its working!

Bibi will bide his time waiting for Obama's popularity to wane (which it will) and then launch a new attack on the Palestinians either in Gaza or the West Bank or both. He may even bomb the Iranians. Obama will be hobbled and unable to do anything. New settlements will be built, the wall will be longer and higher and generally magnify the defacto apartheid system in Gaza and the WB eventually passing on to the next government an Israel with fewer Palestinians than when he took over. This is the goal. Gradual depopulation leaving lebensraum for the Jews.

 

CLINT

3:32 PM ET

May 19, 2009

When Israel is cut off from US aid...

...it will then -- only then -- come to terms with its stupid arrogant anti-Semitism-inducing existence and compromise and apologize, and make reparations.

If Israel bombs Iran, we should bomb Israel. Only that will deter the arrogant fascist fools.

 

DAVE123

3:56 PM ET

May 19, 2009

"what's wrong with a

"what's wrong with a bi-national democracy? Many believe its the only solution that's likely to last."

Because the Palestinian leaders, like all those of all Arab states, have no idea what it means to live in a liberal democracy. Hamas is an autocratic theocracy and Fatah is a secular dictatorship. Electing leaders is about 1% of what democracy is about. Not to mention a population that has been brain washed since childhood for 50 years to believe killing Jews is a religious obligation. For example, Farfour, the Palestinian Mickey mouse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0zE64thJ4
And Palestinian Kindergardeners simulating the lynching of Jews.
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2008/07/21/cnns-wedeman-i-black-heart-palestinian-children/

Is it any wonder that Israeli Arabs have virulently protested joining any future Palestinian state?

Having a binational state would be like asking the United States to share a democracy with 350 million people comprised of a mixture of the Taleban and the Baath party supporters.

 

CLINT

4:25 PM ET

May 19, 2009

Israeli arab opinion -- from a member of Knesset

Israel is NOT a democracy:

"Israel is simultaneously running three systems of government. The first is full democracy toward its Jewish citizens — ethnocracy. The second is racial discrimination toward the Palestinian minority — creeping Jim Crowism. And the third is occupation of the Palestinian territories with one set of laws for Palestinians and another for Jewish settlers — apartheid."

citation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/opinion/07iht-edtibi.html

Op-Ed Contributor
A Harsh Reality for Palestinians

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By AHMAD TIBI
Published: April 6, 2009

JERUSALEM — The right-wing coalition of the new Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, does not bode well for Palestinians in Israel. With the appointment of Avigdor Lieberman as foreign minister, the extremists are going after the indigenous population and threatening us with loyalty tests and the possibility of “transfer” into an area nominally controlled by the Palestinian Authority.

Netanyahu’s intransigence vis-à-vis Palestinians in the occupied territories is certainly cause for concern. No less concerning is what the Netanyahu-Lieberman combination may mean to Palestinian citizens of Israel.

This government, particularly with Lieberman as foreign minister, should be boycotted by the international community, just as it once boycotted Jörg Haider, the late Austrian far-right politician who won global notoriety for his anti-immigrant views.

Lieberman, in one of many outrageous comments, declared in May 2004 that 90 percent of Israel’s Palestinian citizens “have no place here. They can take their bundles and get lost.”

But my family and I were on this land centuries before Lieberman arrived here in 1978 from Moldova. We are among the minority who managed to remain when some 700,000 Palestinians were forced out by Israel in 1948.

Today, Lieberman stokes anti-Palestinian sentiment with his threat of “transfer” — a euphemism for renewed ethnic cleansing. Henry Kissinger, too, has called for a territorial swap, and Lieberman cites Kissinger to give his noxious idea a more sophisticated sheen. Lieberman and Kissinger envision exchanging a portion of Israel for a portion of the occupied West Bank seized illegally by Jewish settlers.

But Israel has no legal right to any of the occupied Palestinian territories. And Lieberman has no right to offer the land my home is on in exchange for incorporating Jewish settlers into newly defined Israeli state borders. We are citizens of the state of Israel and do not want to exchange our second-class citizenship in our homeland — subject as we are to numerous laws that discriminate against us — for life in a Palestinian Bantustan.

We take our citizenship seriously and struggle daily to improve our lot and overcome discriminatory laws and practices.

We face discrimination in all fields of life. Arab citizens are 20 percent of the population, but only 6 percent of the employees in the public sector. Not one Arab employee is working in the central bank of Israel. Imagine if there was not one African-American citizen employed in the central bank of the United States.

Israel is simultaneously running three systems of government. The first is full democracy toward its Jewish citizens — ethnocracy. The second is racial discrimination toward the Palestinian minority — creeping Jim Crowism. And the third is occupation of the Palestinian territories with one set of laws for Palestinians and another for Jewish settlers — apartheid.

A few weeks ago, Lieberman’s Yisrael Beiteinu Party led the charge in the Israeli Knesset to ban my party — the Arab Movement for Renewal — from participating in the elections. Netanyahu’s Likud also supported the action. The Supreme Court overturned the maneuvers of the politicians. But their attempt to ban our participation should expose Israel’s democracy to the world as fraudulent.

Lieberman’s inveighing against Palestinian citizens of Israel is not new. Less than three years ago, he called for my death and the death of some of my Palestinian Knesset colleagues for daring to meet with democratically elected Palestinian leaders. Speaking before the Knesset plenum, Lieberman stated: “World War II ended with the Nuremberg trials. The heads of the Nazi regime, along with their collaborators, were executed. I hope this will be the fate of the collaborators in this house.” Lieberman now has the power to put his vile views into practice.

We call for more attention from the Obama administration toward the Palestinian minority in Israel. It is a repressed minority suffering from inadequately shared state resources. The enormous annual American aid package to Israel fails almost entirely to reach our community.

Between Netanyahu and Lieberman, the Obama administration will have its hands full. Make no mistake that Netanyahu and Lieberman will press the new administration hard to accept Israeli actions in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem — as well as discriminatory anti-Palestinian actions in Israel itself. Settlements will grow and discrimination deepen. American backbone will be crucial in the months ahead.

Ahmad Tibi is a Palestinian citizen of Israel and a member of the Knesset, Israel’s Parliament.

 

CLINT

4:39 PM ET

May 19, 2009

"The missile threat from Iran to Europe is thus not imminent,"

a sober counter to the Armageddon hoopla

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/18/AR2009051803055_pf.html

U.S.-Russian Team Deems Missile Shield in Europe Ineffective

By Joby Warrick and R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, May 19, 2009

A planned U.S. missile shield to protect Europe from a possible Iranian attack would be ineffective against the kinds of missiles Iran is likely to deploy, according to a joint analysis by top U.S. and Russian scientists.

The U.S.-Russian team also judged that it would be more than five years before Iran is capable of building both a nuclear warhead and a missile capable of carrying it over long distances. And if Iran attempted such an attack, the experts say, it would ensure its own destruction.

"The missile threat from Iran to Europe is thus not imminent," the 12-member technical panel concludes in a report produced by the EastWest Institute, an independent think tank based in Moscow, New York and Belgium.

The report, scheduled for release today, could further dampen the Obama administration's enthusiasm for a Bush administration plan to deploy radars and interceptor missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic. The missile shield has been promoted as a safeguard against future attacks from rogue states, particularly Iran. But the plan has severely strained relations with Moscow, which says it would undermine strategic stability and lead to a new arms race.

The year-long study brought together six senior technical experts from both the United States and Russia to assess the military threat to Europe from Iran's nuclear and missile programs. The report's conclusions were reviewed by former defense secretary William J. Perry, among others, before being presented to national security adviser James L. Jones and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

The report acknowledges dramatic technological gains by Iran, and it predicts that the country could probably build a simple nuclear device in one to three years, if it kicked out U.N. inspectors and retooled its uranium-processing plants to make weapons-grade enriched uranium. Another five years would be needed to build a warhead that would fit on one of Iran's missiles, the panel says. U.S. intelligence agencies have made similar predictions; Israel maintains that Iran could build a bomb in as little as eight months.

The U.S.-Russian experts say Iran faces limits in developing ballistic missiles that could someday carry nuclear warheads. Its current arsenal is derived from relatively unsophisticated North Korean missiles, which in turn are modified versions of a Russian submarine-launched missile that dates from the 1950s. "We believe that these components were likely transferred to North Korea illegally in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when Russia was experiencing major political and economic chaos," the report states.

As a result, the missiles have inherent weaknesses stemming from such aged technology, despite some improvements in their range, the report states. Moreover, the country lacks "the infrastructure of research institutions, industrial plants, or the scientists and engineers that are needed to make substantial improvements."

They conclude that it would take Iran at least another six to eight years to produce a missile with enough range to reach Southern Europe and that only illicit foreign assistance or a concerted and highly visible, decade-long effort might produce the breakthroughs needed for a nuclear-tipped missile to threaten the United States.

Moreover, if Iran were to build a nuclear-capable missile that could strike Europe, the defense shield proposed by the United States "could not engage that missile," the report says. The missile interceptors could also be easily fooled by decoys and other simple countermeasures, the report concludes.

"The much more urgent problem is to seek a resolution" of the Iranian nuclear crisis, the report says. "That is a project on which the United States and Russia need to cooperate more closely."

 

CLINT

4:48 PM ET

May 19, 2009

__Israeli__ Oxford Professor here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine

"Establishing the state of Israel in May 1948 involved a monumental injustice to the Palestinians. British officials bitterly resented American partisanship on behalf of the infant state. On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders". I used to think that this judgment was too harsh but Israel's vicious assault on the people of Gaza, and the Bush administration's complicity in this assault, have reopened the question.

I write as someone who served loyally in the Israeli army in the mid-1960s and who has never questioned the legitimacy of the state of Israel within its pre-1967 borders. What I utterly reject is the Zionist colonial project beyond the Green Line. The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times."

....go Zionists!

 

DAVE123

7:15 PM ET

May 19, 2009

Israel is NOT a

Israel is NOT a democracy:

Israel is simultaneously running three systems of government. The first is full democracy toward its Jewish citizens — ethnocracy. The second is racial discrimination toward the Palestinian minority — creeping Jim Crowism. And the third is occupation of the Palestinian territories with one set of laws for Palestinians and another for Jewish settlers — apartheid.

Well first, despite being a traitor to his country by openly representing (Arafat) and meeting with (Yemen, Syria, Lebanon) Israel's enemies, Tibi is part of the Israeli parliament. In fact, over 10 percent of the Israeli parliament are Arabs. A larger percentage of Israeli Arabs are in the Knesset than African Americans in the US Congress or and much larger than in the Senate. Israel also has an Arab supreme court Justice. Sounds just like Jim Crow to me. Is there discrimination against minorities? Of course, but in what country isn't there some discrimination against minorities? Israel treats its minorities better than any Arab country by far including the way Palestinians treat their own Christian population. In fact, Israeli Arabs have more rights than in any Arab country. Palestinians are not Israeli citizens; they are openly at war with Israel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine

Avi Shlaim left Israel over 40 years ago at the age of 22 and has made a career out of demonizing Israel ever since. His opinion holds as much worth as members of the Israeli National Union party.

 

CLINT

7:44 PM ET

May 19, 2009

moral and political relativism encore.....sigh

Your moral and political relativism is tiresome and, as usual, does not obviate the fact that Israel is NOT a democracy.

Yes, Israel is better than Darfur, also. So?

You say: "Israel treats its minorities better than any Arab country by far including the way Palestinians treat their own Christian population."

hmmmm, I don't recall Palestinians firing point-blank at Christian demonstrators:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI6d7pFKzSU

Why don't you respond to Sir Gerald Kaufman? -- a Jew whose grandmother was killed by Nazis -- talking of the mofo Israelis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&feature=related

"Not simply war criminals, they are fools"

"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

 

DAVE123

8:52 PM ET

May 19, 2009

"hmmmm, I don't recall

hmmmm, I don't recall Palestinians firing point-blank at Christian demonstrators

They just burn down the houses of Christian civilians with Molotov coctails because a Christian man was simply accused of getting an Arab woman pregnant. 128 Israeli Christian homes were attacked by Israeli Arabs when a rumor spread that Christians were posting nude images of Arab women. Not to mention killing anyone who converts to christianity from Islam. Also tens of thousands of Palestinian Christians have fled since the PA took over. Bethlehem once was 80% Christian and now is 15%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaYmPmoIpS8&feature=related

Stab to death Chrstian Leaders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glpd032iqT8&feature=related

Palestinian Christians - A Minority in Peril
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uXlOiqFaDg&feature=related

Why don't you respond to Sir Gerald Kaufman? -- a Jew whose grandmother was killed by Nazis -- talking of the mofo Israelis

You mean the same man who compared Hamas to the 440,000 exterminated people of the Warsaw Ghetto. Pardon if I don't care what he says.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Kaufman#Criticism_of_Israel

 

CLINT

12:04 AM ET

May 20, 2009

Hamas are freedom fighters

Hamas are freedom fighters -- stop the occupation AND give sovereignty to the rightful owners of the land. Until then Hamas have a completely just cause -- even though their methods are wrong. As are Israel's.

The Zionist experiment has been a glorious failure. Israelis are leaving in droves. That's why Moldovans are running the sad excuse for a nation.

The two religious states: Pakistan and Israel, are both disasters. (Nuclear-armed disasters as it turns out)

Who cares who the Israelis label as terrorists? Even Nelson Mandela was a terrorist, as were most of the founding fathers of Israel. Americans were terrorists when chasing out the Brits.

I guess the Jews fighting the Nazis were also terrorists?

Zionism was fun. It is over. Go home.

There is anyway no master race -- the Jews and Arabs have been intermarrying and reproducing for centuries. Comparing Zionist and German Nazi ideology shows that both political intellectual systems consist of a practically identical combination (with obvious ethnic substitutions) of politicized ethnic fundamentalism, extremist organic nationalism, social Darwinism, biological determinism, essentialism, primordialism, perverted eugenic theory, opposition to race mixing for causing ethnic degeneration, and the corresponding belief in national revival through racial purity.

Very 20th century.

Israel will go the way of Apartheid South Africa. I give it 35 years more.

Have fun - go build a settlement on other people's land.

Nazi.

 

COURTNEYME109

2:38 AM ET

May 20, 2009

HAMAS are terrorists.

HAMAS as freedom fighters?! LOL! Come on Clint - HAMAS doesn't give a dang about anybody's freedom. They are a rocket rich rejectionist death cult that seems to only deploy in hoods chock full of innocents.

Perhaps you could wield your prestige and influence at State - and get your precious intolerant, murderous oath breakers taken off GrEaT sAtAn"S Enemies List

 

CLINT

10:11 AM ET

May 20, 2009

Israel is the oppressor

Israel is the occupying power and thus the oppressor.

Palestinians are victims.

Hamas are freedom fighters.

I wish them all the luck in getting their land back.

How is any of this US' problem? US should get out.

 

COURTNEYME109

7:05 PM ET

May 20, 2009

Little Satan is not the problem

'Occuppied turf' won by victorious desperate counterattacks.

Palestinians are indeed victims - of their own dual daddies of Pyramidland and Jordan. Launching and losing wars of aggression against a democratic member of the UN. Then abandoned as E & J cut peace deals with Little Satan.

HAMAS are intolerant control freaks - rich with rockets and Iranian fundage - not so hot for concepts like fun and free choice -- you know -- freedom.

By any standards HAMAS has failed miserably. It has failed in peace, failed in governance, and moreover failed in war.

In addition to HAMAS's ambiguous political agenda, their goal seems to be resistance for the sake of resistance, a quagmire where the journey really is the destination.

It is time for Khaled Mashaal to step down and allow more competent leaders to emerge before he causes even more damage to his cause.

In this particular instance, Little Satan vs HAMAS - what is so appealing to you about HAMAS? Why so jazzed for tribalistic suicide death cult oath breakers that practice horrific honor killings, use innocents as intelligent shielding and deliberately seek out civilian targets?

 

CLINT

12:07 AM ET

May 20, 2009

Oh, I forgot.....

Israel is NOT a democracy.

 

CLINT

12:18 AM ET

May 20, 2009

 
 

PLONI ALMONI

5:59 AM ET

May 20, 2009

Ahmed Tibi is correct: Israel is a democracy for the Jews

Ahmed Tibi is correct in the paragraph you quoted (this rest of his article is rubbish). The word "democracy" has become pretty meaningless, in Israeli discourse as everywhere else. But if "democracy" means just a collection of formal procedures such as balloting, then Israel is a democracy (for all) only in form, not in substance.

In the substantive sense of "democracy" - popular sovereignty, or the identification of governing and governed - Israel is a democracy for its Jewish citizens, and not for others. (And democracies have historically been restricted to only a subset of residents.) Israel does not have popular sovereignty for all because there is no Israeli people. There are essentially two Israeli peoples: Jews and Arabs. Hence there is no Israeli public, no Israeli public opinion, no Israeli general will. Universal suffrage is the formal procedure by which the Staatvolk (the Jews) imposes its will on the minority people (the Arabs).

Israel is a democracy only of the Jews. To say otherwise is to attempt a sleight of hand, where you define democracy purely formally (ballots) and try to sneak in a substantive meaning (popular sovereignty) by implication.

 

CLINT

12:55 PM ET

May 20, 2009

So Why support Israel?

From the Washington Post:

What About Israel's Offenses?

Tuesday, May 19, 2009

I agree with the May 7 editorial "No Questions Asked," opposing unconditional U.S. support for the repressive and autocratic regime in Egypt. But I wonder why you don't hold the same position regarding U.S. support for Egypt's neighbor Israel. The United States sends Israel more than $3 billion annually.

Israel is in contravention of many laws, both U.S. and international. For many decades now, its government has committed gross human rights violations against the Palestinians, whom it keeps under illegal occupation.

Israel has continued to expand enormous Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land; demolish Palestinian homes at will; erect an illegal separation wall mostly inside the occupied Palestinian territories; confiscate water resources desperately needed by Palestinians; kidnap and incarcerate Palestinian men whom it calls militants or terrorists without evidence; and enforce a blockade of Gaza that is preventing Palestinians from getting life-sustaining food and other supplies. And a few months ago, it launched a devastating three-week assault on Gaza, causing massive devastation.

It's high time the United States stopped enabling Israel to abuse and persecute the Palestinians.

JOANNE HEISEL

Columbia

 

COURTNEYME109

7:11 PM ET

May 20, 2009

Why not support Little Satan?

They are the only bunch in that particular hood that are the most like America.

She's a tolerant, egalitarian society with a penchant for periodic, transparent elections, free and uncensored press, a military under civie control, an independent judiciary under elected gov oversight, a nat’l treasury under public scrutiny that actively and energetically pursues academics, the arts, business, commerce, communications, industry, medicine, science, tech and space exploration.

Way better than slave trading, intolerant, corrupt, murderous unelected regimes with unfree media, internet police, religious police, dress code police, secret police, gender apartheid, honor killings, pitiful literacy rates, fiddle about with WMD possessing an amazing ability to torment their own people, their neighbors and sprout up rocket rich rejectionist militias in innocent civilian rich environs that tend to act out against any democracy in weapons range.

Look, in Little Satan you could open up a church, a strip club, a casino, a bookstore, a gay bar, a Hooters or the Ernest T Bass Baby Jesus Fanclub Summer Camp For Kids.

Over a million Arabs in Little Satan enjoy rights far away and above any found in the Arab League. Like voting, serving in the IDF and the Knesset or opening their own biz.

By comparison, in many Arab League lands it is illegal to be a citizen if one is jewish - or cool to be a citizen as long as they own no property, never pursue higher ed or do not entertain biz opportunities.

And Palestinians fare much worse in the Arab League. Kuwait ethnically cleansed themselves by expelling nearly 300K Palestinians. In Syria Palestinians are kept in restricted areas, denied citizen status, barred from certain sectors of the work force and denied higher ed.

So Little Satan is like Taiwan, SoKo or Nippon. We have way more in common with Little Satan than anything in the 22 members of the Arab League with corrupt royalty in Ray Bans, Supreme Leaders for Life, Field Marshal Presidents for Life and Lions of Syria.

 

CLINT

8:03 PM ET

May 20, 2009

What has Israel done to earn my tax dollars?

What? Who cares if they "like" America?

PS: curb your ignorance -- you cannot open a casino in Israel. Have you ever even lived there? I am Jew and have spent 12 years in that stupid country. Try to leave long island once in a while, it will help you.

 

COURTNEYME109

9:31 PM ET

May 23, 2009

And your point is?

That's 'the most like', Clint.

Facts are - Little Satan has way more in common with Great Satan than anything in nearly a thousand kilometers.

Explain please the constant handwringing and faux outrage over the world's 1st freely elected suicide regime getting their assets handed to them? Why are you so emotionally attached to murderous creeps and intolerant rocket rich girl fearing terrorists?

Secular Little Satan Fans are quite appreciative of Dr Robert Kagan's "League of Hot! Democrazies"

Get with it.

 

BRETT

7:02 AM ET

May 21, 2009

They are the only bunch in

They are the only bunch in that particular hood that are the most like America.

Not in their foreign affairs.

She's a tolerant, egalitarian society with a penchant for periodic, transparent elections, free and uncensored press, a military under civie control, an independent judiciary under elected gov oversight, a nat’l treasury under public scrutiny that actively and energetically pursues academics, the arts, business, commerce, communications, industry, medicine, science, tech and space exploration.

For the Jewish population, who also happen to benefit from various organizations designed to promote specifically Jewish welfare in the country and receive state support. If you happen to be an Arab, enjoy your second-class citizenship.

And that argument that they "have it better than Palestinians have it elsewhere" is a false one. It's like, as I mentioned above, arguing that Segregation in America was okay because blacks there had it better than in Africa.

And Palestinians fare much worse in the Arab League. Kuwait ethnically cleansed themselves by expelling nearly 300K Palestinians. In Syria Palestinians are kept in restricted areas, denied citizen status, barred from certain sectors of the work force and denied higher ed.

What's your point - that the Arab states in the region (none of which except for Lebanon are actually accountable to their own populations in any type of democratic manner) treat the Palestinians like shit? Nobody's questioning that - but it doesn't change the wrongness of how they are treated in Israel and the Palestinian Territories as well.

 

COURTNEYME109

9:48 PM ET

May 23, 2009

Wrong Brett

Little Satan's FoPo is more alike than unlike Great Satan's. Consider: Both will go anywhere and do anything anytime they want - to protect, pre empt and prevent despotic chicanery.

2nd Class Arab Citizens? Really? Explain please why over a million Arabs living in Little Satan can vote, serve in the Knesset and pursue academic, biz ops and free choice unlike anywhere else in Arab League? Or why an amazing 62% of Little Satan's Arabs prefer to live in Little Satan than any future (your choice HAMAS or Fatah) Palestine?

Wrongness of how they are treated? Sounds like Arab League - and why pray tell could not their own kindred brothers absorb and assimilate Palestinians into their respective despotic (to be fair some are benign) regimes as loyal productive citizens years ago?

We'd all be talking about something else if the Arab League had an ounce of responsibility for the sorry mess they created.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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