If we're 'addicted to war' why wouldn't it be a good idea to spend a decade or so in isolationism?

You also don't address the FBI director's objection that these inmates would potentially radicalize the prison population. And the Pentagon report that 1 in 7 freed detainees (the ones judged least dangerous) returned to terrorism.

You got to feel for Obama, though; on a day when four more crazy Muslims get arrested for trying to bomb NYC, he's out there arguing we should let the most deranged of them into the country.

Maybe it is all a conspiracy...(by your favorite villains!)

The problem here is a disconnect between the reason the Obama administration has said it wants to close Guantanamo and the reason some of its critics here and especially overseas say Guantanamo should be closed.

The Obama administration wants to move detainees out of Guantanamo and into American prisons because Guantanamo presents the appearance of illegality, which it considers offensive to fundamental American values. It has no thought of releasing detainees it thinks might be dangerous.

Some American critics and a much larger number of people in other countries see Guantanamo as an injustice against the detainees themselves. They tend to think most or all detainees should be released. They also think it's not that big a deal if some of them return to terrorism as long as that terrorism is directed only at Americans or at people and governments thought to be sympathetic to Americans.

Since the administration recognizes the value to America's enemies of Guantanamo as a symbol, it has been reluctant to push back hard against the people more aggrieved by the detention of terrorists than by the way that detention is justified. It doesn't want to step on its message overseas by arguing that it is only moving detainees, not getting ready to turn them all loose. This has regrettably left the administration's domestic political opposition with an opening to make mischief by warning of the dangers of doing precisely that. This mischief is only temporary, provided the President and his team take care to explain clearly to the American public what they are really doing, and repeat that explanation at regular intervals.

Perhaps the fearful GOP and its fearful Democratic enablers should have Rudy Giuliani explain the efficacy of supermax to them?

After all, Giuliani's BFF, former NYC Police Commissioner, and 2004 Reichsführer nominee Bernard Kerik exports supermax prisons to our good Freedom and Democracy loving friends, like the Saudis. If the Saudis can use supermax systems to safely contain their bad guys, why can't we? What makes our radicals any different from theirs?

"Prisoners are prisoners" Kerik sad in an interview to Al Jazeera.

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/onwar/2009/01/200917142638785321.html

So what is so extraordinary about this case? Surely manly men like Bernard Kerik and Rudy Giuliani can stand behind their products and dispel this fearmongering propaganda?

Yes, our stupid politicians only want our brave military personnel to suffer from THEIR war (i.e. paying w/ other people's sons' and daughters' blood).

Zionist neocons got us into this war and it is paid disproportionately with Christian black, hispanic, and poor whites' blood. Send the frickin' zionist Neocons' sons and daughters to fight, I say.

Bring back the draft and outlaw paid lobbying and let's see how fast we get our country back.

Pathetic losers, the whole lot.

Isolationism is the only way,
until such time as there is sufficient
expertise obtained within the USG to
understand what is going on in the rest
of the world.

We are not there yet by a long shot.

eg:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/graham-e-fuller/global-viewpoint-obamas-p_b_201355.html?view=print

Graham E. Fuller

Former CIA station chief in Kabul and author of The Future of Political Islam
Posted May 11, 2009 | 09:24 AM (EST)

Obama's Policies Making Situation Worse in Afghanistan and Pakistan

For all the talk of "smart power," President Obama is pressing down the same path of failure in Pakistan marked out by George Bush. The realities suggest need for drastic revision of U.S. strategic thinking.

-- Military force will not win the day in either Afghanistan or Pakistan; crises have only grown worse under the U.S. military footprint.

-- The Taliban represent zealous and largely ignorant mountain Islamists. They are also all ethnic Pashtuns. Most Pashtuns see the Taliban -- like them or not -- as the primary vehicle for restoration of Pashtun power in Afghanistan, lost in 2001. Pashtuns are also among the most fiercely nationalist, tribalized and xenophobic peoples of the world, united only against the foreign invader. In the end, the Taliban are probably more Pashtun than they are Islamist.

-- It is a fantasy to think of ever sealing the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The "Durand Line" is an arbitrary imperial line drawn through Pashtun tribes on both sides of the border. And there are twice as many Pashtuns in Pakistan as there are in Afghanistan. The struggle of 13 million Afghan Pashtuns has already inflamed Pakistan's 28 million Pashtuns.

-- India is the primary geopolitical threat to Pakistan, not Afghanistan. Pakistan must therefore always maintain Afghanistan as a friendly state. India furthermore is intent upon gaining a serious foothold in Afghanistan -- in the intelligence, economic and political arenas -- that chills Islamabad.

-- Pakistan will therefore never rupture ties or abandon the Pashtuns, in either country, whether radical Islamist or not. Pakistan can never afford to have Pashtuns hostile to Islamabad in control of Kabul, or at home.

-- Occupation everywhere creates hatred, as the U.S. is learning. Yet Pashtuns remarkably have not been part of the jihadi movement at the international level, although many are indeed quick to ally themselves at home with al-Qaida against the U.S. military.

-- The U.S. had every reason to strike back at the al-Qaida presence in Afghanistan after the outrage of 9/11. The Taliban were furthermore poster children for an incompetent and harsh regime. But the Taliban retreated from, rather than lost, the war in 2001, in order to fight another day. Indeed, one can debate whether it might have been possible -- with sustained pressure from Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and almost all other Muslim countries that viewed the Taliban as primitives -- to force the Taliban to yield up al-Qaida over time without war. That debate is in any case now moot. But the consequences of that war are baleful, debilitating and still spreading.

-- The situation in Pakistan has gone from bad to worse as a direct consequence of the U.S. war raging on the Afghan border. U.S. policy has now carried the Afghan war over the border into Pakistan with its incursions, drone bombings and assassinations -- the classic response to a failure to deal with insurgency in one country. Remember the invasion of Cambodia to save Vietnam?

-- The deeply entrenched Islamic and tribal character of Pashtun rule in the Northwest Frontier Province in Pakistan will not be transformed by invasion or war. The task requires probably several generations to start to change the deeply embedded social and psychological character of the area. War induces visceral and atavistic response.

-- Pakistan is indeed now beginning to crack under the relentless pressure directly exerted by the U.S. Anti-American impulses in Pakistan are at high pitch, strengthening Islamic radicalism and forcing reluctant acquiescence to it even by non-Islamists.

Only the withdrawal of American and NATO boots on the ground will begin to allow the process of near-frantic emotions to subside within Pakistan, and for the region to start to cool down. Pakistan is experienced in governance and is well able to deal with its own Islamists and tribalists under normal circumstances; until recently, Pakistani Islamists had one of the lowest rates of electoral success in the Muslim world.

But U.S. policies have now driven local nationalism, xenophobia and Islamism to combined fever pitch. As Washington demands that Pakistan redeem failed American policies in Afghanistan, Islamabad can no longer manage its domestic crisis.

The Pakistani army is more than capable of maintaining state power against tribal militias and to defend its own nukes. Only a convulsive nationalist revolutionary spirit could change that -- something most Pakistanis do not want. But Washington can still succeed in destabilizing Pakistan if it perpetuates its present hard-line strategies. A new chapter of military rule -- not what Pakistan needs -- will be the likely result, and even then Islamabad's basic policies will not change, except at the cosmetic level.

In the end, only moderate Islamists themselves can prevail over the radicals whose main source of legitimacy comes from inciting popular resistance against the external invader. Sadly, U.S. forces and Islamist radicals are now approaching a state of co-dependency.

It would be heartening to see a solid working democracy established in Afghanistan. Or widespread female rights and education -- areas where Soviet occupation ironically did rather well. But these changes are not going to happen even within one generation, given the history of social and economic devastation of the country over 30 years.

Al-Qaida's threat no longer emanates from the caves of the borderlands, but from its symbolism that has long since metastasized to other activists of the Muslim world. Meanwhile, the Pashtuns will fight on for a major national voice in Afghanistan. But few Pashtuns on either side of the border will long maintain a radical and international jihadi perspective once the incitement of the U.S. presence is gone. Nobody on either side of the border really wants it.

What can be done must be consonant with the political culture. Let non-military and neutral international organizations, free of geopolitical taint, take over the binding of Afghan wounds and the building of state structures.

If the past eight years had shown ongoing success, perhaps an alternative case for U.S. policies could be made. But the evidence on the ground demonstrates only continued deterioration and darkening of the prognosis. Will we have more of the same? Or will there be a U.S. recognition that the American presence has now become more the problem than the solution? We do not hear that debate.

(C) 2009 GLOBAL VIEWPOINT NETWORK; (TM) TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.

Graham E. Fuller is a former CIA station chief in Kabul and a former vice-chair of the CIA's National Intelligence Council. He is author of numerous books on the Middle East, including The Future of Political Islam.

Congressional representatives would be being consistent.

Good point Professor -"being consistent". Yes you should expect from your leadership to be consistent. But then "being consistent according to whay?", if the Constitution is not consistenst (as I have demonstrated) then you can deduce any statement from it - consistently;->>

Do you know what I would do in such circumstances, I would start with a TE based on a consistent Constitution, rather than wasting my time in every occasion to show there is something funny going on with this inconsistent Constitution;->

Remember Ancient Greeks invented Logic do deal with sophistry - I am very very greatful to them for Logic, it saves me a lot of time. Please check out who is in charge of most of the Associations related to Logic in the US and the World, maybe this can help you better why it is as it is in IR of the US.

Do you know Professor, Obama is smarter than Bush, he doesn't call the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper", wherever he goes he carries the Constitution in hand. But then if the Constitution is inconsistent what does it help?! If I were a Realist Obama I would act contradictorily and prove it according to the Constitution to show the people I represent that the Constitution is useless, in another words Bush was more honest than Obama;->>>

Professor, your Universities produce hundreds of logicians a year, where are those Guys Mate? Why do I - an alien - remind you that you have an inconsistent Constitution?! I don't like what I am trying to do here, in fact I hate it, but I had to do it for God's sake!

Let me put it in another way;-> If your shuttle engineers were operating according to a theory like your Constitution they would blow out themleves long before the crew mounted in and they get it launched;->> Yes Mate! It is that serious, you are sitting on a bomb like Fermi (sitting on radiactive soup trying to control the chain reaction maually pushing the cadmium stick in and out without realizing what the hell he was doing) and you are unaware of it. Professor with such a Constitution you don't need terrorists in Afghanistan or Alien attacks from the Space - really;->>

Grand Sen~or.

Many of the dysfunctions in American foreign policy can be attributed to a simple truth: this is a nation of ignorant, impressionable cowards.

The USA, both its elite and its people, does not feel safe unless it is using its vast economic, technological and military power in a destructive, yet irrationally 'reassuring' fashion.

So the USA led the nuclear arms race with the Soviet Union, so that by the 1960s there was an absurd 17 to 1 advantage in warheads and JFK still managed to make political capital off a fictitious 'missile gap'. So the USA doesn't feel safe from communism unless it is hard at work destroying some sorry, irrelevant, dirt poor peasant country (Vietnam, Angola, Nicaragua). So after 9/11, with the deaths of 3,000 Americans, we have had our dark revolution in foreign policy and civil liberties.

Will this ever change? I cannot say. I feel the USA's popular and consumer culture is leading to a permanent and sickening degeneration in the character of its inhabitants. Consumerism, wastefulness, excess, sensationalism, instant gratification, fearmongering (whether regarding international politics, crime, flu, Chinese takeovers etc)..

The denizens of the nation with the greatest influence on the world know nothing of that world - and are therefore easily frightened by novel, unfamiliar things like (imprisoned) terrorists - and have the attention span of pigeons. Is it any surprise we see this kind of crap from Congress?

I have the solution to Gitmo: put all the ALLEGED terrorists in house arrest with John Yoo, the legal enabler of this monumental stupidity.

Of coarse we must shut down Gitmo! Why not? What's the problem with putting these war/political prisoners in US run prison systems? I don't see anything wrong with the idea. A prison is a prison and I think moving these prisoners is no big deal. What's the fuss? Federal prisons? State? Who knows? Most likely Federal. Of coarse these prisoners may attempt to convert other prisoners to Muslim radicals but most likely if they are held outside of segregation they will become victims of stabbings and other forms of victimization by the current population. I think they are either on par or lower than pedophiles on the prison hierarchy. If this is the case then we don't have to worry about putting them on trial because most likely they won't live long enough to see their first hearing. This is maybe why we can't move them. Perhaps it is cheaper monetarily to keep them at Gitmo indefinitely? Otherwise for the sake of their humanity they need to be kept separate from domestic prisoners. There is no need to build another special prison, just segregate them.

Yes!

If you pay attention closely at the situation, perhaps the reluctance to transfer the detainees to regular prisons isn't there for the safety of the local residents. Its there for the safety of the detainees.

If we transfer the detainees to regular prisons, its what the other inmates might do to them that worries politicians. Thats a pretty big liability nobody wants. As for the detainees themselves; well, I guess getting ass raped is still better than solitary confined or getting water boarded (or not).

No longer a Senator, says he would have been one of the six to keep the money for the Gitmo shutdown there:
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2574740