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Contrary to what I suggested last week, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates took the bait that Pyongyang dangled last week. In a direct response to North Korea's nuclear test, Gates told the delegates at the "Shangri La Dialogue" (a major Asian security conference held in Singapore) that “we will not stand idly by as North Korea builds the capability to wreak destruction on any target in the region -- or on us."

Strong words, but they will ring hollow if the United States and its various Asian allies (and China) do not actually do anything, and I’m betting they won't. Gates warned that North Korea could "continue as a destitute, international pariah, or chart a new course," but it's been clear for quite awhile now that pariah status doesn't bother the government in Pyongyang. And because none of North Korea's neighbors want to deal with the consequences, there isn't much support for the kind of pressure that might cause the North Korean regime to collapse. Unfortunately, that’s also the only kind of pressure that might make it change course.
   
Gates was on firmer ground when he warned North Korea that the United States would consider any transfer of nuclear materials to other countries or terrorist groups a "grave threat" to the United States and its allies. Even here, however, a bit more discrimination was in order. We obviously don't want North Korea giving nuclear know-how or nuclear material to other countries, but it's not clear we would do anything to them if we discovered that they were. After all, as Georgetown's Matthew Kroenig has documented, giving nuclear assistance to another country is hardly an unprecedented act. Russia assisted China's nascent nuclear program when they were allies, France gave key support to Israel's nuclear program, and China helped Pakistan's nuclear program as well. Pakistan's A.Q. Khan network subsequently spread nuclear technology in several directions, and North Korea appears to have provided nuclear assistance to Syria. The key point: in none of these cases was it seen as grounds for war.

But giving nuclear technology to a terrorist group is another matter entirely, and we need to make it clear to Pyongyang that this is an act that would lead us to discard our normal reservations and remove them from power once and for all. Not only do we want to deter North Korea from ever trying something like this, but we also want to establish and reinforce a clear precedent for other nuclear powers. Regime survival seems to be the paramount concern of Kim Jong Il and his associates, and they must be under no illusions about what nuclear transfer to terrorists would mean for their own futures. This scenario should be the topic of some serious contingency planning by the U.S. military, as well as some serious discussions among the other interested parties, beginning with the other members of the Six Party talks (Russia, China, Japan, and South Korea).  None of these states have an interest in nuclear leakage to terrorists, so it should not be that hard to get them to agree that giving nuclear materials to terrorists would be clear and immediate casus belli.

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KEN

5:57 PM ET

June 1, 2009

The BBC WS had a N. Korea

The BBC WS had a N. Korea expert on he said these tests are n to do with Kim Jong Il being ill and a possible succession to the NK leadership.

It's their way of warning the rest of the world not to get any funny ideas during the transition.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

7:58 PM ET

June 1, 2009

Send Jimmy Carter

What North Korea needs is neither ignorance nor confrontation, but old fashioned decency and respect.

Remember when Carter were there last time, and the pictures of him and Kim Jong in front of one of Kim's new dams, and Kim just beaming and enjoying being together with Carter?

That is the thing that we want, and that is what have been seriously missing the last 8½ years.

 

BRETT

6:14 AM ET

June 2, 2009

What North Korea needs is

What North Korea needs is neither ignorance nor confrontation, but old fashioned decency and respect.

What do you think the South Koreans gave them for nearly 7 years? Unconditional aid, economic help, trade opening, travel visas, tourism access - the South gave and gave, and the North Koreans gave them nothing in return except for nuclear and missile tests. Hell, between the South Koreans and the US, we basically saved millions in North Korea from starving to death in the 1990s.

Not every country in the world is some aggrieved party waiting to be made whole by kindness from strangers. Like any other country, the Norks have interests and fears, and those combined shape their policies.

Remember when Carter were there last time, and the pictures of him and Kim Jong in front of one of Kim's new dams, and Kim just beaming and enjoying being together with Carter?

I notice it didn't exactly lead to a softening on North Korea's part.

 

GRAND SEN-OR

10:47 PM ET

June 1, 2009

giving nuclear materials to

giving nuclear materials to terrorists would be clear and immediate casus belli.

Professor, do you think that this is the weakest point of State - terrorists getting nuclear material?
Wasn't it you who approved that a State like Israel should have WMDs with so many populous enemies around?
Well, I am sure if you look at the NK case closer you will also agree that it is understandable that they crave to have WMDs, surrounded by so many economically powerful enemies;->
Perhaps, there is a way out of this;-> Why not try to make those States feel safer even if they have different economical and social structure, like the EUS trying it on China.
That would help better to save the State wouldn't it?!
I must be just pulling your leg to see how far you will go to save State, not that I want to save;->>
You know for me State is a dead duck, I am looking for the future - a new civilisation without State, with some more clever, peaceful, ecological, human and environment friendly structures, I am hopeful for human-beings are capable to use intellect;-))
BTW, for me Intellect is something like a giant network of computers, something like Internet, if you know the languages how to use it, you can use it, if you don't then it stays idle for you. That is why it is important to develop conceptual tools to use Intellect and that is why I try to shake off useless concepts like State, Nation as they have been degenerated to their current uselessness.

Grand Sen~or.

 

BRETT

6:20 AM ET

June 2, 2009

Strong words, but they will

Strong words, but they will ring hollow if the United States and its various Asian allies (and China) do not actually do anything, and I’m betting they won't.

Hell, they've been ringing hollow for more than a decade, through the Clinton Era and Bush Era.

Gates was on firmer ground when he warned North Korea that the United States would consider any transfer of nuclear materials to other countries or terrorist groups a "grave threat" to the United States and its allies.

Not really. It still amounts to so much wind. When they're seizing northern arms ships, write another post.

But giving nuclear technology to a terrorist group is another matter entirely,

The Norks don't even have the technology to make the miniaturized nuclear weapons that could actually constitute a terrorist threat, and the technology by itself is useless unless you have the facilities to process the uranium and/or plutonium, and the components for the bomb.

You could make this threat, but it would be pretty much useless and almost irrelevant.

I think fundamentally, the North Korean government doesn't really want to give up its nuclear capabilities. After all, they are a useful deterrent, and a useful bargaining, particularly since in the past, they managed to extract immediate concessions and aid while stalling the period of destruction of their arsenal over and over again.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

1:51 PM ET

June 2, 2009

Hi, Brett. The following has

Hi, Brett. The following has not exactly got anything to do with what is being discussed here, but it do deal with Korea, and what sparked me off was your claim about all the good that Americans had done to this country. The Korean War started at the 38 th. parallel - and ended at the 38 th. parallel, after 590,911 Koreans, 480,000 Americans, 64,000 British, 26,791 Canadians and 17,000 Australians (source: Wikipedia) had been killed.

You can regard the following as a testimony for posterity about the horrors of war, and how it is always the civilians that pays the highest price. I know that information like this is not occuring very often in The Kansas Morning Post or the Lousianna Review or whatever your notable publications are called. But thanks to news outlets in the free world, like the BBC, the accounts of these GI's have now been preserved for posterity.

BBC NEWS, September 29, 1999
World: Asia-Pacific
US veterans confess Korean War atrocity
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A group of American veterans have publicly acknowledged for the first time that they machine-gunned hundreds of helpless civilians in the early days of the Korean war.

The massacre took place under the No Gun Ri railway bridge in the South Korean countryside, and the soldiers said that as many as 300 South Koreans could have been killed.

Like the conflict in Vietnam, Korea is a war that Americans would rather forget -- and since it ended in 1953, the group of former GIs have never spoken publicly about what they have described as the massacre of No Gun Ri.

Many of the victims were women and children, who, in the desperate first weeks of the war, tried to flee the country.

The precise death toll will never be known.

The soldiers were ordered to shoot because of the fear that Communist North Koreans would try to penetrate American lines by hiding amongst the refugees.

"We simply annihilated them," said one former GI.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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