Some good news for a change -- that you can believe in

Wed, 06/10/2009 - 11:59am

I'm jetlagged in Geneva, but I spent part of the flight over thinking about thee bits of seemingly good news:

1. The pro-Western March 14 coalition won a clear victory in the Lebanese election, a promising step towards more enduring stability in that deeply-divided country.

2. The Iranian presidential election campaign has turned into a real dogfight between incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi. Although recent polls in Iran suggest that Ahmadinjed will still win, Mousavi seems to be gaining ground and there may well be a run-off. Even if Mousavi loses, there's clearly a lot of popular disconnect with Ahmadinejad's rule, and a lot of it centers around his bizarrely self-defeating approach to foreign policy. (Side note: is there any other major world figure who has done as much public relations damage to his own country's image and interests? Nominations welcome). Moreover, there seems to be widespread popular support for improving relations with the United States.

3. The New York Times reports that some Pakistani villagers are turning against the Taliban, and may even be supporting the government's more active role against them.

It would be a mistake to give Barack all (or even most) of the credit for these developments, but I don't think its completely unrelated either. (Juan Cole agrees, see here). By striking a fundamentally different tone towards all three countries (and the Arab/Muslim world in general), Obama hasn't made reflexive anti-Americanism go away. But he has made it a less potent political weapon, so leaders like Ahmadinejad or Sheik Nasrallah don't reap the same domestic benefits from America-bashing. (Even Republicans should recognize that Bush and Cheney were nearly-ideal bogeymen; heck, even GOP candidates in the last election did their best to pretend they didn't know them.) It's also possible that Pakistan's government decided to take a more assertive stance against the Taliban after President Zardari got a rather chilly reception up on Capitol Hill, where several key members suggested that they weren't going to shell out endless billions to a government that continued to play footsie with Mullah Omar and his associates. The key lesson: if the United States stops trying to do everything itself, sometimes others will start addressing common problems because it is in their interest to do so too.  

Matt Yglesias is right: elections in most countries turn on local conditions and issues and not on what's happening in Washington. But it sure looks like Obama's approach is helping tip the scale in the right direction. Legendary baseball executive Branch Rickey used to say that "luck is the residue of design." If Obama has been getting "lucky" the past week or so, maybe that suggests that his foreign policy design is better suited to contemporary world conditions than that of his predecessor.

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The poll on Iranian elections

is 30 days old!!! If you have been following recent events in Iran you'd know that things have completely turned around.

Branch Rickey used to say

Branch Rickey used to say that "luck is the residue of design."

Professor, maybe you should elect this guy as your leader to changed the archaic design of State to get lucky;->>
Obama was talking based on the Old Design, he didn't promise any design change, therefore it is not fair to expect miracles from his talks.

Grand Sen~or.

America and its ruling elite have a huge responsibility

The ideological elite that governs America has been aiding and abaiting Pakistan to launch this offensive, so we must never forget that every single American have the ultimate responsibility for that 3 million people now have been displaced. Without the foul attack on Taliban's heartland in the south of Aghanistan (to where they retreated following air bombardments on their forward positions in Oct/Nov 2001) in 2005 -- from 2006 under the command of NATO -- there would have been no displacements of 3 millions Pakistanis. Make no mistake about it! It is absolutely essential that Americans -- while they are sitting in their comfy homes eating their dougnuts -- understand that ultimately they -- through their elected government -- are ultimately responsible for these poor peoples plight.

You say: What have attacks in Aghanistan in 2005-06 got to do with Pakistanis being displaced in 2008-09?

Reply: That it should be necessary to pose this question show the fog through which Americans views foreign affairs.

To entertain the possibility

To entertain the possibility that Hussein Obama's approach is "working" is to concede a problem on the Islamic front.

Let's ask a direct question, how is his "approach" helping Mousavi - who yours trully sincerely hopes can win?

I think your hypothesis, can be empirically validated, or nixed. Let's take an opinion from the MENA countries, before and after the speech?

To entertain the possibility

To entertain the possibility that Hussein Obama's approach is "working" is to concede a problem on the Islamic front.

I'm having trouble parsing that. Since 9/11 has anybody refused to concede that we have a problem on the islamic front? We're currently fighting a two-front war there....

Let's ask a direct question, how is his "approach" helping Mousavi - who yours trully sincerely hopes can win?

Mousavi hasn't used the same rhetoric that his opponent for this mostly-symbolic position has. Do you think that if he is elected that iran will have distinctly different policies? Why would you think that? Sure, it would be pleasant for us if the rhetoric calms down, but does that really matter? Even it Mousavi takes a vow of silence the israelis can find somebody else to mistranslate. So what difference does it make?

I think your hypothesis, can be empirically validated, or nixed.

No, far too many confounding variables and a lack of control groups. We're going to have to settle for bias and opinion on this one.

There are no scientific

There are no scientific polls, but in informal interviews by The Associated Press with more than three dozen Pakistanis across the country Wednesday and Thursday, not a single person expressed sympathy or allegiance toward the Taliban. MSNews

Professor, I hope you don't base your following argument on news-paper gossip coloumns;->

3. The New York Times reports that some Pakistani villagers are turning against the Taliban, and may even be supporting the government's more active role against them.

Professor, please ask yourself, would you dare to say "Oh Yess! I like their turban, I'm going to wear one like theirs if I can afford to have one, can you tip me couple of dollars!" while your State declared war on Taliban, when the Associated Press reporter questioned you?

What is this joke Mate?! Is that how you develop FP actions based on statistics like that?! I hope your Nuclear Physicists don't work like FP gurus;->>
If they do, wait a few surprises mushroom around your houses;->>

Today I was decided to take a break, telling myself "I've said enough!!" but when I read that piece of news and associated it with your article, I broke my fast;->
I hope one of these days I run away and have a break;->>

Grand Sen~or.

prior to his blogging, I

prior to his blogging, I actually liked Walt's work. Now, when I see the naivete underpinning it - you just feel sorry for America. The greatest contribution FP has made to the field, is to expose how superficial the studies of foreign policy are. How out-of-touch (or never-had-been-in-touch) people advocating policy options, can be. Eurasia group is always wrong, and still they roll in money. Walt is naive. Rothkopf is often close to ridiculous, the other ones have never heard the term Wahabi. They are either in someone's pocket, or too prejudiced...

or is this something germane to the blogging experience?

Then when they write in print - they sound so pompous and confident.

It's a sham, isn't it. There is no real room for debate of anything, and when a debate starts, it goes no-where.

Maybe blogging should be a full-time activity, in which answering readers comments receives more attention?

I guess writing letters to the editor has advantages.

The greatest contribution FP

The greatest contribution FP has made to the field, is to expose how superficial the studies of foreign policy are. How out-of-touch (or never-had-been-in-touch) people advocating policy options, can be. Eurasia group is always wrong, and still they roll in money. Walt is naive. Rothkopf is often close to ridiculous, the other ones have never heard the term Wahabi. They are either in someone's pocket, or too prejudiced...

I think you are confusing the medium for the messenger.

Imagine for a moment what life must have been like for Isaac Asimov. He was a tenured chemistry professor with a responsible job. On the side he wrote science fiction. When he was writing science fiction, he could say anything he wanted and he did, and I'm sure he had fun. He made a little money that way too. But he certainly didn't publish scientific papers using the same skillset he used to write science fiction.

Now imagine Stephen Walt. He's a tenured professor with a responsible job. On the side he runs a blog. He can say what he likes on his blog and it probably won't affect his career at all. since he isn't writing about seducing co-eds or pedophilic pornography etc. He probably is making very little money at it. He gets to write whatever speculation he wants and it doesn't officially count. The blog format goes -- he writes something controversial. Random people reply and a lot of them say stupid mundane things. They argue with each other. Besides the trivial responses he gets some that are off-the-wall like Grand Sen-or and me, people who expand the discussion past what normal foreign policy experts would consider acceptable topics. After the second day or so people are arguing about things that have little to do with his original post, and in a few more days they'll drop it no matter how excited they still are about their argument, because too many newer topics will have come up and everybody else is ignoring the old topic. The other thing that happens is he posts something that no one responds to, or very few. No particular discussion. That happens if he says something people agree with, or something that's too scary to think about, or that has implications too long into the future, etc.

Being a successful blogger means he actually gets people to pay attention. It doesn't mean he checks all his sources and proves his conclusions. The bigger the screaming match his readers get into, the more successful he looks. What would happen if he left a post that explained the statistics backing some conclusion? Probably everybody would just ignore it. If the conclusion was something some people objected to, then they'd object to the statistics by reverse logic. "My conclusion is right. Your conclusion disagrees with it. Therefore the premises you base that conclusion on must be wrong, or else you have a logic mistake. Your statistics are lousy and they've been thoroughly discredited elsewhere. So there."

It's a sham, isn't it. There is no real room for debate of anything, and when a debate starts, it goes no-where.

Where would a debate go? I think we do exceptionally well when we can understand each other's fundamental assumptions. I can imagine you'd like a debate where the other guy sees that you're right and he's wrong and he tells you so. How often does that happen? How often does anybody change his mind about anything he's ready to debate?

I suppose you could have a format where somebody claims to be genuinely undecided about a topic, and he listens to other people argue and he assigns them points according to how convincing he finds them, until eventually he's made up his mind to the point he can't referee any more. I can imagine that being fun. I don't see it happening.

Blogging is more like newspaper editorials, except that anybody can play. When the letter-to-the-editor column is uncensored, it's more fun. But by next week mostly nobody remembers what happened; they're busy with something new.

You want policy experts to put the same care into blog posts that they'd put into academic papers? Why would they do that? What does it get them? The more carefully they write, the harder it is to be controversial and the less attention they get....

If you want a different result, you probably need a different format. This approach where everything scrolls of and is forgotten is not going to get yuo responsible journalism, much less careful scholarship.

Thanks J.Thomas, this is a

Thanks J.Thomas, this is a very nice description of the Blog. Blogs are in the end a modern language tools, one can master to utilize them as a Blog Owner or as a Blogger. Blogs give you the opportunity to perform language acts witin their frameworks, then it is up to your skill to put together your language act to move the language to do the rest. If you look at the Blogs and Bloggers from that point of view, you can utilize Blogs better - just imagine yourself in a market place and you are dealing with the Language rather than the Blog Owner or Bloggers, because they are just figurants (minor role players) compared to the concepts and conceptual structures which are alive in the Language used in this Blog. That is why from the very beginning I tried to pull your attention to the those real players of this Blog. But some people still unaware of them still pick on figurants like Professor;->>>

Here is another simile:
You are in a market place to buy or sell some products, it is not fair trade to attack salesmen like Professor, on the other hand you are not in the market to buy Salesman, you are interested in products, there is no point to beat the Salesman Professor for his products which you are not convinced to buy, if you want to get him busted try to criticize his product without assuming that he is the one who produced it, because he might as well got it produced by some Chinese mass production line;->>
And the products in that market are concepts and conceptual structures. Every morning Professor and other Blogger salesmen displays their products (concepts and conceptual structures) usually the same old products on this market table - the Blog - with different attractive display arrangements to make you believe that it is either a more advanced new line of product or maybe last time you missed this attractive side of his product so he highlites that part of it this morning to sell it;->>
And if you are a sucker, rather than investigating his product you get mesmerized by his smiley face and/or his Uni Titles and buy whatever he sells;->>

Grand Sen~or.

You are in a market place to

You are in a market place to buy or sell some products, it is not fair trade to attack salesmen like Professor, on the other hand you are not in the market to buy Salesman, you are interested in products, there is no point to beat the Salesman Professor for his products which you are not convinced to buy,
if you want to get him busted try to criticize his product without assuming that he is the one who produced it, because he might as well got it produced by some Chinese mass production line;->>

Well, but if you're his competitor, and you want people not to buy his product but to buy yours instead, then it could make sense to attack him. "His religion is bad! Don't buy from him!" He could sell good products independent of his religion, but people who refuse to buy from him are more likely to buy from you, so if it works....

Blogs give you the opportunity to perform language acts witin their frameworks, then it is up to your skill to put together your language act to move the language to do the rest.

Yes. But unfortunately, the people who respond will be almost entirely your competitors. And they will try not to help you see which of your language works. If you get something that works they will try to ignore it and switch the conversation to something else. If you get something that works superbly they will completely stop responding rather than let you see how well it works.

So I tend to measure my success by how well I can close down discussion. If I say something that stuns the opposition into silence, then it was probably effective. But sometimes people were just ready to stop adding comments to that blog entry, and I happened to be the last one to post. So that isn't reliable either.

It would be better if we had people who were genuinely undecided who applaud comments they think are well done. But we'd get partisans posing as undecided so they could make their friends look like they were getting more support than they actually were....

"His religion is bad! Don't

"His religion is bad! Don't buy from him!"

In the short run this type of selling language may work, but eventually the quality of the product dictates the market.

Yes. But unfortunately, the people who respond will be almost entirely your competitors. And they will try not to help you see which of your language works. If you get something that works they will try to ignore it..

That is true, but if you are in command of your concepts and conceptual system you don't need that feedback. Some of the language products once inserted into the language start operating independently - think about operating system viruses, once you release them via internet they go to their target to attack piggy-backed on the language you use. Similarly when curative piece of language product released into the language it starts repairing the corruptions without even the user feel what is happening, again language handles this service. Many language users are not aware of language's functioning something like an organism with many defensive and offensive structures to protect its functionality. People may think that Language is a complete obedient idiot however Language dictates many structures to its users in such a way that it can even bewitch its users if they are unaware oi its workings.To reflect on how one can be slave of language it is enough to know that one can think and express one's thoughts only with words within a language. So Language Users have to be very careful with the Language.
I suggest you concentrate more on Language than its users when you respond to a message here to regain this consciousness of Language's being an independent entity than is users. At the moment you are concentrating on the users only like many people doing here. Don't think that Language is a Robot, rather think that it is an organism quite independent than yourself and the person(s) that you are using it to respond. So, your first transaction is with Language and perhaps it is mostly up to language how to carry your transaction to its target(s) depending how much you are in command of Language. As you see you don't need to worry much about the respond(s) you get from your immediate initiators of the language transaction, but worry about how you composed and handed your language act to Language.

Grand Sen~or.

To reflect on how one can be

To reflect on how one can be slave of language it is enough to know that one can think and express one's thoughts only with words within a language.

I observe that this is not true for me. But it's hard to express nonlanguage ideas. Sometimes they come across through art. Sometimes I have to craft language that might start to get them across.

I suggest you concentrate more on Language than its users when you respond to a message here to regain this consciousness of Language's being an independent entity than is users.

Some language spreads easily while other attempts are mostly ineffective. It isn't the logic that determines what works but something else. So it makes sense to try to observe what works. Not something you can reason out a priori.

I observe that this is not

I observe that this is not true for me. But it's hard to express nonlanguage ideas. Sometimes they come across through art. Sometimes I have to craft language that might start to get them across.

Philosophers of language includes arts, painting, music, mimics ets as the extention of Language. Even by keeping silent you can express a lot, that is why they assert that "where one cannot speak there one must be silent"
"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen.".LW.

Grand Sen~or.

The motivation behind Walt's "Lobby"

Well, but if you're his competitor, and you want people not to buy his product but to buy yours instead, then it could make sense to attack him. "His religion is bad! Don't buy from him!" He could sell good products independent of his religion, but people who refuse to buy from him are more likely to buy from you, so if it works....

You hit the nail on the head.

Walt's main concern is that his viewpoint wins the day, not naming which person or organization is a member of his so-called "Lobby". He admits this himself, and the whole "Lobby" schtick is a means to this end.

So I tend to measure my success by how well I can close down discussion ... and I happened to be the last one to post.

Happened? ;o) Don't confuse boredom with "stuns the opposition into silence". When most people realize you have a compulsive need to get in the last word (I guess "success" by your measure), they let you have it. Nobody really cares anyway.

"His religion is bad! Don't

"His religion is bad! Don't buy from him!"

I have already responded to that but let me try again.
If you are in the market to buy "religion" this may work as long as he demonstrates his argument, but if you are in the market to buy "computer" that doesn't work in the long run, he may cheat you once or twice but in the end if you are not a sucker/zealot you spend your money/time on the product which will satisfy your needs.
and if you don't then others who has the better product beat you in the end somehow;->
Prof. Walt in those terms is quite an honest salesman, he doesn't shut people out to criticize his products or his salesman's language;->>
I have been posting some messages to Slate and other media barons' blogs where they were suppressing my messages without any reason, those guys are anxious to sell their products whatever it costs;->>
Your message is a good enough proof for Professor's being a decent salesman. Now it is your turn why people don't buy your Lobby but keep buying his;->>It looks like it is not enough to say that "there is no such a thing - Israel Lobby!" to stop him selling it;->>

Grand Sen~or.

If you are in the market to

If you are in the market to buy "religion" this may work as long as he demonstrates his argument, but if you are in the market to buy "computer" that doesn't work in the long run, he may cheat you once or twice but in the end if you are not a sucker/zealot you spend your money/time on the product which will satisfy your needs.

Yes, but suppose the other guy's computer really isn't that much better. Then you might feel like what you get is good enough you don't need to buy from somebody with the wrong religion just to get it a little better.

That happens a lot. The approach can easily win more then enough to justify the small cost of using it, even if it isn't the special trump which wins every time.

Yes, but suppose the other

Yes, but suppose the other guy's computer really isn't that much better. Then you might feel like what you get is good enough you don't need to buy from somebody with the wrong religion just to get it a little better.

You are right, that is why I talk about SPEEs - socio-politico-economic-entities. It is natural that members of those entities to protect their identity will make sacrifies and support each other to sustain their existence in a competitive natural environment. But when you deny the existence of SPEEs in such a natural environment then the imposed system eventually end up in the hands of some privilaged entity then the rest will be enslaved to it, multiplicity will degenerate to singularity and the environment will become very unstable. That is what happening in the US nowadays. Professor is keep pointing out one of the symptoms without being much interested in the cause of it.
Yes My Dear J.Thomas the Market is more complicated than Jumble Sale;->>If we scratch the surface we would see clearer the underlaying structures of SPEEs.

Grand Sen~or.

Making Wahhabi a Derogatory Epithet

AllanGreen participates in an epistemic Zionist intellectual culture that has very little connection to reality: From Epistemic to Bureaucratic Islamophobia.

Zionists are very good at demonizing innocuous terms. See the discussion of Wahhabis and the Muslim Brotherhood in Subjugating American Muslims to Israel.

"Side note: is there any

"Side note: is there any other major world figure who has done as much public relations damage to his own country's image and interests? "

ummm, Bush?

"Side note: is there any

"Side note: is there any other major world figure who has done as much public relations damage to his own country's image and interests? "

Yes, Bush.

And Hitler, definitely Hitler. Though the bombs may have caught up with him before the public relations damage did.

I can't tell whether Idi Amin is in the running for that. His country got tremendous public relations damage but I don't know how much of that was his fault versus him just getting smeared by a whole lot of enemies with no friends to back him up.

Mobuto

a name synonymous with moral degradation. The Congo still reeks of him. I guess we could throw in King Leopold of Belgium as well although Congo wasn't technically a country then, just his private game park, brothel and honey-pot.

As for celebrating point 1

As for celebrating point 1 (Lebanon), I am afraid US allies there (i.e. Saad Hariri and his coterie) are allied with the recruiters for Zarqawi (i.e. very radical Sunni Islamists from Northern Lebanon). All paid for by the Saudis. And stability or political transparency or civil (rather sectarian) laws probably won't come anytime soon.

The only thing that is good about March 14 getting re-elected in Lebanon is that Israel simply won't have the excuse of Hizbullah being in power to attack Lebanon (though they have never needed excuses for sheer outright military aggression).

As for celebrating point 1

As for celebrating point 1 (Lebanon), I am afraid US allies there (i.e. Saad Hariri and his coterie) are allied with the recruiters for Zarqawi (i.e. very radical Sunni Islamists from Northern Lebanon).

Do we have any allies in lebanon?

The way I see it, we have chosen some enemies in lebanon -- we chose israel's enemies. And then we decided that we favor *their* enemies whether their enemies favor us or not.

There's an old aphorism that goes "Choose your friends carefully. Your enemies will choose themselves.". We have not been following that approach.

I'm shocked--shocked--that

I'm shocked--shocked--that Ahmadinejad won in a landslide in Iran, especially after the 'Obama effect'.

How about you, Mr. Realist?

Shocking

Is anyone shocked with this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061202593.html

Business as usual. Someday we

Business as usual.

Someday we may get a consensus that the US government has the right to keep secrets from israel, just as the israeli government has the right to keep secrets from the USA.

Not yet.

A judge has dramatically

A judge has dramatically reduced the sentence for a former Pentagon analyst who pleaded guilty to leaking classified information to an Israeli diplomat and two pro-Israel lobbyists.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061202593.html

Well, if there is no Israel Lobby then there is no case. I think the Judge made a mistake, he should dismiss the case on the base that there is no such a Lobby;->>>
Don't get shocked Mate, enjoy the Show while it lasts;->>>

Professor! It is all your fault Mate!
You said "out there there is a hazy conglomerate of Israel Lobby!" people/judges started getting confused;->>

Grand Sen~or.

Mr. Walt, Chicken out like the rest

Well well well, now that Iran has shown up Obama and our European "allies" let's see Mr. Walt, what you'll have to say about democracy promotion, negotiations without preconditions, and Iran's geopolitical ambitions.

Will you concede you were entirely wrong, and the neocons right!?

Jumping to conclusions,

Jumping to conclusions, aren't you?

Do you have some sort of secret information about what's really going on in iran, or are you making wild guesses based on early reports from the mass media?