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By Ivan Arreguîn-Toft

"Peace with honor." This was the Nixon administration's euphemism for disengagement from South Vietnam, a place where corruption and incompetence had long doomed any hope of victory; even a victory as modest as the simple negative objective of preserving the political independence of tiny South Vietnam.

Today marks the first of a series of disengagements of U.S. combat forces from Iraq, as U.S. armed forces withdrew from Iraq's major cities and moved to take up blocking positions along likely infiltration routes into these same cities. The hope -- and it is little more than that -- is that in the time remaining between today and 2012, U.S. forces can manage to prevent a collapse of Iraq's fragile political independence and achieve what eluded them after 1973: peace with honor in Iraq.

The good news is that from the accession of General David Petraeus to command to the present, it is now fair to say that the "honor" part is not in question. In Nixon's time "honor" meant "no obvious defeat." Yet the honor of U.S. conduct in Vietnam remains a point of extreme controversy to this day. Many historians have argued that most U.S. armed forces in Vietnam de-civilized and de-soldierized: becoming viscous, drug-impaired war criminals. Others remember many who served with restraint, professionalism, and honor in the deepest sense of the word. To be fair, the weight of evidence pushes toward the barbarism side, but the truth is we will never actually know. Today, notwithstanding Abu Ghraib and five years of faith-based strategy, diplomacy, and politics during the Bush administration's tenure, "honor" once again means self-sacrifice and right conduct.

Since 2007, when U.S. strategy shifted dramatically in Iraq, U.S. armed forces have been dedicated to protecting noncombatants and by that means creating the crucial space for politics to resolve the underlying issues that lead young men to take up arms in the first place. Assaults against "evildoers" remain important, but have been conducted in a much more careful, methodical, and systematic fashion; and never, one must add, at the expense of Iraqi civilians. In short, U.S. armed forces can no longer be defeated in Iraq. The U.S. public understands that its new presidential administration is committed to pursuing more modest political objectives in Iraq with more effective tools than armed force. As a result, U.S. armed forces are preparing to leave Iraq in good order.

In fact, the mere physical presence of U.S. armed forces -- which in the main were never designed as an occupation and transition force -- had become (and remains) the single biggest obstacle to the achievement of a stable, prosperous Iraq. U.S. armed forces understood this as early as 2005. Their core concern then (as now) was that they not be blamed for "defeat" in Iraq. In this goal they have succeeded, largely due to unflagging public support and sympathy, and their tireless efforts to resolve the contradictions between what their experience and professionalism told them on the one hand, and the often foolish demands of their civilian leadership on the other hand.

The departure of U.S. armed forces from Iraq has another, less obvious benefit. Currently, most commentators believe that a U.S. withdrawal will signal a victory for Iran and fast-forward Iran's penetration of Iraqi politics. On the contrary. U.S. departure will remind Iraqis -- who with the exception of its Kurds and regardless of religious affiliation are virtually all Arabs -- that Iranians are Persians. Iran is likely to have as much luck bossing about the Iraqis after a U.S. withdrawal as China did bossing about the Vietnamese in 1975.

But there is bad news as well. After it became obvious that self-defense could not stand as a justification for the invasion, conquest, and occupation of a distant sovereign state, Americans turned to the positive objective of aiding Iraq's transition to a stable, democratic state; with the understanding that "democratic" meant "like us." This would protect us from terrorism, high oil prices, and just make us feel good. It wouldn't hurt Israel either. But nothing like that is even a remote possibility. What follows progressive U.S. withdrawal from Iraq will look very much like what preceded its intervention in 2003. Within a decade, expect to see the consolidation of a top-down authority structure (very much like that in today's Russian Federation), like as not dominated by Shii factions. Expect this consolidation of power to be attended by fighting between the Shii-dominated center and Iraqi Kurds and Sunnis, as well as extreme tension between Iraq and its neighbors: Sau'di Arabia, Syria, Iran, Turkey, and Israel.

In the end, success in Iraq -- one could hardly call it "victory" -- may come down to simply engineering a soft landing: a return to the way things were in 1980, when the United States was allied with an unpalatable but stable Iraq against an even more unpalatable and more dangerous Iran. Of course, that's if we're lucky.

Ivan Arreguîn-Toft is an assistant professor in the History and International Relations Department at Boston University and author of How the Weak Win Wars.

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DAVID DOPPLER

4:37 AM ET

July 1, 2009

"Many historians have argued

"Many historians have argued that most U.S. armed forces in Vietnam de-civilized and de-soldierized: becoming viscous, drug-impaired war criminals. Others remember many who served with restraint, professionalism, and honor in the deepest sense of the word. To be fair, the weight of evidence pushes toward the barbarism side, but the truth is we will never actually know."

This is an ill-considered statement unworthy of you. A large portion of armed forces in Viet Nam were never in close combat, so the idea that "most" were war criminals is patently absurd. Calling them "drug-crazed" as well reveals a contempt that I seriously doubt is reflected in the work of the historians you refer to - experimenting with or even using drugs regularly is not the same thing as being "drug-crazed."

There were war crimes committed in Viet Nam, just as in virtually all wars. McNamara acknowledged he himself would likely to be so condemned by many. But to smear most of our armed forces in Viet Nam as drug-crazed war criminals is too much. Of course, many served with professionalism and honor. Lots just did their time, trying not to get killed or commit any grave errors of judgment, keep themselves intact under bad circumstances. I'd wager "most" fit in the last category, with a minority that were gung ho and up to our highest standards, and a smaller minority, far more than reported, but the least of the three groups, who committed war crimes. I can't prove it, but among those I've known who served over there, that is the likely count.

I also resent your comment that the truth is we will never know, as if the conduct of our troops in Viet Nam were something that can only be sifted out of woefully ambiguous and incomplete evidence. What about the part of "we" who served over there, and can form a conclusion based upon their own experience. Or do you not include them in the group you think of as "we."

 

CLINT

5:53 PM ET

July 1, 2009

What of the several hundred thousand Iraqis who died ?

And what of the several hundred thousand Iraqis who died as a direct or indirect result of the illegal and immoral bombing and occupation of Iraq? When will the US compensate Iraqis for that, and how?

Peace, no not yet, Honor, definitely no.

 

BRETT

10:15 PM ET

July 1, 2009

"Peace with honor." This was

"Peace with honor." This was the Nixon administration's euphemism for disengagement from South Vietnam, a place where corruption and incompetence had long doomed any hope of victory; even a victory as modest as the simple negative objective of preserving the political independence of tiny South Vietnam.

Wrong - "Vietnamization" (which was the associated policy with this statement) was actually rather successful during its first years of implementation; the ARVN actually held off North Vietnamese military incursions, and it had the support of most of the South Vietnamese populace (one thing that people tend to forget is that the Vietcong and Communists were not widely supported in the South). What killed them was the cut-off of weapons and aid, which allowed the North Vietnamese military to overwhelm them in a conventional assault.

It was only one of several squandered opportunities, including that of the aftermath of the Tet Offensive (which effectively annihilated the Vietcong as a force in the South).

To be fair, the weight of evidence pushes toward the barbarism side, but the truth is we will never actually know.

Then why are you even making the point? If you want to make a point, actually say it openly - don't try to hide behind bullshit suppositions like this.

U.S. armed forces understood this as early as 2005.

Don't make me laugh. That was General Casey's idea (that the US forces were an obstacle to the development of Iraqi security and development), and we all saw how that turned out - violence and turbulence spiked in 2005-2006, and it didn't turn around until the US applied a combination of bribery to the Sunnis militias as well as population-centric COIN in certain areas (such as Baghdad).

And what of the several hundred thousand Iraqis who died as a direct or indirect result of the illegal and immoral bombing and occupation of Iraq? When will the US compensate Iraqis for that, and how?

There's no such thing as an "illegal" war - the Kellogg Pact of 1928 is long-dead.

 

ZATHRAS

3:33 AM ET

July 2, 2009

Price of Admission

I doubt that the remarks about Vietnam by the author of the main post here were intended as anything other than a gesture toward an audience presumed hostile to American policy both in Iraq today and in Vietnam several decades ago, prefacing an argument complimentary of some aspects of current American policy in Iraq.

I'm not sure the gesture represents an accurate understanding of what motivates Walt's readership (or at least most of his dedicated commenters). This is not reflexive hostility to American foreign policy in general or to American wars fought in the cause of anti-Communism but American support of Israel. Also American media coverage of Israel, the history of Israel, and the existence of Israel.

 

SIMPLESIMON

5:42 PM ET

July 4, 2009

Peace with honor?

After inciting regional rebellion by Shiites and Kurds against Sunni Saddam Hussein’s regime by imposing no-fly zones under Clinton administration, US can do nothing but watch helplessly as US-installed Shiite regime in Iraq unifies Iraq. Maliki regime has seen at close quarters how West manipulates opponents of regimes that US does not like i.e. recent Iranian elections. Maliki definitely had that in mind when he told Biden to butt out in no uncertain terms.

US want Maliki government to truly create a harmonious government looking after the interests of all Iraqis, not just Shiites but Sunnis and Kurds as well. But Maliki government is NOT going to oblige US anymore than Saddam government did. It won’t be long after US troops depart in June, 2010 that Shiites first will unite with Sunnis to suppress Kurds and then Shiites will suppress Sunnis. Bloodbaths similar to those under Saddam will repeat until Shiites establish their supremacy with the help of Iran if need be and US won’t be able to do anything about it.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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