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Much ado about nothing?

Last weekend's kerfluffle over Vice President Joe Biden's supposed "green light" for an Israeli attack on Iran was perplexing on several grounds. Appearing on ABC's This Week, Biden told interviewer George Stephanopoulos the United States could not "dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when they make a determination ... that they're existentially threatened." Some observers saw this as a typical Biden-esque gaffe, while others interpreted his statement as a subtle way to up the pressure on Tehran and as a sign that the administration's position was hardening in the aftermath of the disputed Iranian election. A third view saw Biden's statement as a veiled warning that if Israel chose to act, they would face the consequences on their own.
All this speculation missed the more important features of the situation. First, Biden was in one sense merely stating a truism: Israel is a sovereign nation, and it is inconceivable that United States would physically prevent it from attacking Iran even if we believed (correctly) that it was a stupid move. In the end, international politics is a "self-help" system, and Biden was simply acknowledging that in an anarchic order, all states ultimately depend on their own resources and strategies.
Second, it doesn't really matter if the United States gives Israel a "green light" or not. If Israel were to attack Iran, the United States would be implicated in the attack even if we had told them not to do it. The United States is Israel's main ally and the source of the advanced weapons it would be using to carry out the attack. Despite his current difficulties with the Netanyahu government, President Obama has repeatedly emphasized the special nature of the U.S.-Israeli relationship -- just as his predecessors did -- and he referred to America's bond with Israel as "unbreakable" in his recent Cairo speech. In the eyes of most of the world -- including Iran -- the United States and Israel are joined at the hip.
As a result, the U.S. image suffers whenever Israel does something that others find objectionable -- like building settlements, bombing Lebanon or blockading Gaza -- even in those rare cases where the United States does oppose the actions in question. If we do oppose the use of force against Iran, therefore, top U.S. officials have to say so clearly and repeatedly, and not just whenever the Veep gets careless.
Unfortunately, right now an Israeli attack would appear to many to have tacit U.S. support. Prominent pundits and former officials have been pushing for stronger measures for some time, and at least one hardliner -- former special envoy to Iran Dennis Ross -- is now working in the White House. Washington will be blamed for an attack even if it wasn't our idea, because it is so closely tied to Tel Aviv and has made an issue of Iran’s nuclear program in the past.
As I've said before, the only way to convince Iran not to seek a nuclear weapons capability is to take the threat of force off the table and see if Iran's leaders will agree to forego weaponization under strict international safeguards. That approach may well fail, which would force Israel and the United States to fall back on a strategy of deterrence. But the post-election crackdown in Iran doesn’t mean that its leaders are either irrational or suicidal; if anything, it shows that they are just garden-variety authoritarians desperate to cling to their power and prerogatives. Deterrence will work, even if it is not our first preference.
In short, we are more-or-less where we were before. Preventive war could delay but not eliminate Iran’s nuclear problem, and an attack would only reinforce Iran's desire for a bomb of their own. Trying to foment regime change is more likely to strengthen the hardliners than to weaken their grip. The only realistic option is diplomacy, and Biden's loose talk didn't alter that reality either. But it is one of those issues where clarity is preferable to ambiguity, and where the administration needs to speak with one voice.
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A Nuclear Iran is Not a Big Deal
Foreign Policy Magazine has a great article on
the subject -- and do read my comment on the article:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/07/07/what_if_iran_got_the_bomb?page=full
What If Iran Got the Bomb?
It would be time to calm down.
NOTE to Policy makers: Deterrence Works.
More insanity
Iran is an international bully with a long track record of same. You do not "take the threat of force off the table" with bullies. So to do guarantees more aggression.
It looks as if this "realist" Professor is living in a fantasy world of his own making, not the real world. Has he learned nothing from attempts to appease totalitarian regimes?
If he were my student, this would rate an "F".
David Sternlight, Ph.D.
Los Angeles
Real Bully is Israel and its "mini-me", USA
Professor Walt is right-on.
Even the experts at the National Defense University agree with his view.
(Google their document "Reassessing the Implications of a Nuclear Armed Iran")
The NDU study concluded that Iran desires nuclear weapons mainly because it feels strategically isolated and that "possession of such weapons would give the regime legitimacy, respectability, and protection."
In other words, Iran desires nuclear weapons for the purpose of deterrence, just like every other nuclear-armed nation. The NDU study continued, "[W]e judge, and nearly all experts consulted agree, that Iran would not, as a matter of state policy, give up its control of such weapons to terrorist organizations and risk direct U.S. or Israeli retribution." And it said the "United States has options short of war that it could employ to deter a nuclear-armed Iran and dissuade further proliferation."
The most sensible way to approach the Iranian nuclear issue would be to work seriously toward confidence building and eliminating nuclear weapons from the entire Middle East, including those in Israel.
Iran is a member of the NPT and not a nuclear-armed nation.
Israel is not an NPT member and is nuclear armed and has attacked 3 of its neigbors in 3 years: Lebanon, Syria and Gaza.
Iran is surrounded by two nations, both of whom have been attacked by the US.
No wonder it desires the _capability_ to make nukes, if it should so desire.
As an American, why should I care what happens to Israel? They are just a big waste of my tax money.
"If he were my student, this would rate an "F"."
Allow me to respond for Prof. Walt, as I believe he is still out of the office despite posting:
"I'm not your student."
Stephen M. Walt, Ph.D.
Cambridge
Some trouble with the English language
What part of "if" don't you understand.
What is Iran got the Bomb?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/07/07/what_if_iran_got_the_bomb?page=full
No big deal!
Things are going south
Before the Iranian election, the Obama approach of unilateral but moderate policy changes, accompanied by a mostly carrot/partially stick, was the balanced approach.
With the Iranian election fraud (not bothering to count votes), the very violent reaction to mostly non-violent demonstrations, publicly stated division at the highest theocratic councils, and the anti-British agitation including the arrest of a half-dozen embassy officials (rather than expulsion), show trial and forced public confessions, has tipped the opinion of Iran from "maybe they'll moderate" to "they are nuts, employing scapegoating to the level of mass violence for partisan political ends".
Wait and see is much less popular now. Rather than a potential player in the world society, they are back to the North Korea-like status.
While no one will publicly advocate for bombing Iran, I expect that there are now MANY powers that frankly hope that Israel will undertake an effective military action. (An ineffective one would make things much much worse.)
There are plausibly stated neo-conservative arguments being stated and published that describe the downside of attacking Iran as greatly reduced, even in Muslim states.
Rather than a deal between Syria and Israel as a means to separate Hezbollah and Hamas from Iran, some are contemplating that enabling Israel to bomb, would be the way to isolate the proxies from the nucleus.
Its so sad that Iran made the neo-conservative argument, rather than the incrementally peaceful homeostasis of regional powers bearing fruit in stability.
We should bomb Israel if they bomb Iran
We should publicly threaten to bomb Israel if they bomb Iran -- that will dissaude them from taking illegal actions that would destabilize the mideast and make oil more expensive for us.
A nuclear armed Iran is just fine and deterrable:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/07/07/what_if_iran_got_the_bomb?page=full
Deterrence
You cannot "deter" religious fanatics who think they are doing God's work. The Iranian leaders are not the Russians and that kind of deterrence thinking is completely out of touch with reality in the case of Iran.
Iran has shown a complete disregard for International law; from raiding foreign embassies and taking hostages to using children as suicide fighters in their war with Iraq. There is no credible reason to believe they have any intention of changing, as shown by the brutal murder of their own innocent civilians, which is in the grand tradition of Khomaini mass machine gunning his civilian opposition on coming to power.
For a moment I thought you
For a moment I thought you were talking about Israel.
Fanatics
Religious fanatics like the Jews from Brooklyn and Moldova who live on the settlements? You are right they have not been deterred from killing civilians in Gaza and Lebanon.
Iran is a member of the NPT and not a nuclear-armed nation.
Israel is not an NPT member and is nuclear armed and has attacked 3 of its neigbors in 3 years: Lebanon, Syria and Gaza.
Iran is surrounded by two nations, both of whom have been attacked by the US.
No wonder it desires the _capability_ to make nukes, if it should so desire.
As an American, why should I care what happens to Israel? They are just a big waste of my tax money.
And NDU says yes Iran can be deterred -- READ IT:
"Reassessing the Implications of a Nuclear-Armed Iran"
google it.
Tit for tat policy
Stephen Walt states....
"As I've said before, the only way to convince Iran not to seek a nuclear weapons capability is to take the threat of force off the table and see if Iran's leaders will agree to forego weaponization under strict international safeguards."
They won't...why should they?
Taking the threat off the table may be a good alternative in view of the fact that, as stated, the US and Israel are 'joined at the hip'. Israel bombs Iran, the US is culpable.
If one was dealing with a rational country that idea would have some merit. But Israel has now become the pitbull in the world, the most irrational and disliked nation and without the US as a friend (mostly one-sided), benefactor, mentor, financial backer, weapons supplier, big brother in all ways, Israel would be forced to be more rational, forced to view the disparity in their nuclear arsenal and the justified nuclear ambitions of another country like Iran, and then see the current situation as something of a glaring hyprocisy.
This is the one item that everyone loses sight of when this matter raises its ugly head. Commentators do not even mention this disparity as though it is not a factor in this argument. Even the respected Professor Walt doesn't mention it.
It is a factor! Why wouldn't it be?
With the warlike stance of Israel, who wouldn't want to have a nuclear capability if only to match the Israelis. There's the rub.
What we have seen in the last weeks is the President of the US agreeing with Russia to reduce their nuclear capability and an agreement from Russia to do the same. If it is important in this instance to maintain a level of equality, why is this any different when it comes to Iran and its need to develop an equal capability with what they see as the most aggressive nation in the world, and in their own geography, mouthing warlike utterances daily. The fact that Israel has not admitted to having a nuclear capability at all, is a puerile joke, but so typical of the Israeli mindset.
What we need now is a nuclear power like Russia advising Israel in no uncertain terms that if they make a preemptive strike against Iran, then they could expect the same level of Russian strike on Israel.
It is probably the only way to take some of the hot air and arrogance out of the Israeli war machine, propped up as it is by the spoken words of both Obama and Biden, perhaps even cleverly working in concert.
While all this is going on, the poor Palestinians get another dose of Israeli hatred this week by the kidnapping of 21 internationals off Gaza, acting to highlight the starvation of the peoples of Gaza, an act that once again received little coverage in the US press and not a sound from our 'fair-minded' Secretary of State, an Israeli fellow-traveller.
The chance of any just resolution seems to be diminishing daily due to the weak USraeli administration. Sorry for the incorrect spelling but it seems to have now reached that stage.
How soon will it be before the Israeli flag tops the Congress building?
A Solution to this nuclear mess
I wholeheartedly disagree with Dr. Walt when he claims that a nuclear-armed Iran would be effectively deterred by the international community, with the United States and Israel leading the efforts. While the United States and its allies may eventually be able to dissuade Tehran from de-escalating its nuclear enrichment capabilities, such a success would certainly include a tremendous swath of concessions from major western powers. Without compromising the U.S. position towards rogue states (including Iran, North Korea, Syria, Sudan, etc) and their militant proxies, it is hard to believe that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be convinced to abandon their offensive aspirations. Do we as Americans really want to sacrifice our integrity for the simple possibility of Iranian compliance? Even if such a diplomatic approach does work, how would the U.S. Government and the United Nations be able to enforce this provision? The Islamic Republic has already gone so far as to defy the collective power of international institutions...not to mention the basic tenants of universal human rights.
Some may argue that a U.S.-diplomatic campaign with Tehran's clerical regime is better than no campaign at all. This could be true in some respects. However, if President Obama is absolutely serious in taming Iran's nuclear program through deliberation, he must recognize that the option of military force must remain on the bargaining table. To quote a common phrase from former President George W. Bush, "all options must be on the table." What Dr. Walt seems to miss is how powerful and influential a preventive strike is...such threats often have the ability to pressure adversaries into negotiation (whether they truly accept discussion or not). Without a military deterrent available to either the United States or Israel, Iran's hardliners will continue to enrich uranium without any concrete consequences. Absent the dangers of force, what would hold back the Iranians from pursuing this reality? Would more economic sanctions do the trick (the same sanctions that have failed to curb Iran’s behavior over the last few years)?
On the issue of whether a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities is possible without Arab anger and hostility, I see one solution...a successful Israeli-Palestinian peace plan. While I understand the difficulty of formulating a lasting agreement (given Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's refusal to compromise), milking out a document that respects Palestinian human rights may have a lasting effect: Arab resistance against the Jewish State may diminish significantly. With Palestinians finally living free of Israeli occupation, Arab opposition to an Israeli military campaign would dramatically decrease throughout the region.
Let’s not forget that one of the main reasons Iran is expanding its influence throughout the Middle East is due to its image: it is commonly seen as a powerful country whose leaders "stand up" for the human rights of Muslims. Iranians are uniquely talented in fermenting widespread opposition to Jerusalem’s policies...commonly referring to Israel's harsh treatment of Palestinian men, women, and children. Yet, with a two-state solution fixed, Tehran would lose a remarkable amount of its talent and credibility. No longer would the ayatollah's and mullah's of the Islamic Republic be able to quickly draw Muslim support against an Israeli preventive attack. With a certain amount of credibility gone, Prime Minister Netanyahu may be able to set back Tehran's quest for a nuclear bomb...all the while salvaging his political career at the same time.
I admit that this formula is extremely unconventional and perhaps downright ridiculous to some who advocate unconditional dialogue. While I understand this position, it is foolish to believe that Tehran would purposely scratch its hard work purely for western investment and recognition. Supports of diplomacy should applaud this recommendation: case studies have proven that missiles and bombs often lay the groundwork for constructive dialogue to take its course.
I leave you with one question that has yet to be answered... how long can the world wait before Iran finally gains the expertise to produce a nuclear device? Remember...the Iranians need not use the bomb in order to damage the overall security interests of the United States, Israel, and pro-western Arab governments. Just the possession of a nuclear device could trigger an arms race in the Middle East: a race that we can all agree would be extraordinarily unfortunate in the world's most turbulent area.
Nuclear arms race in the ME was started by Israel
Hell-o....
Nuclear arms race in the middle east was started by Israel.
Want Iran to stop?
Get rid of Israeli nukes. Get US to stop attacking the middle east.
Israel is not even an NPT member.
It is a rogue state that has attacked 3 of its neighbors in 3 years.
Anti-Israel illogic
Israel's nukes are for deterrence. They have never threatened to destroy another country. To the contrary, it is the Arabs who have not only threatened Israel, but made repeated wars to "drive the Jews into the sea". In contrast, Iran's nukes are for aggression. They have threatened to destroy Israel. Israel has never threatened to destroy Iran.
Only a fool or a knave would attempt to equate the two.
All nukes and armament are
All nukes and armament are for deterrence. How suicidal would be of the Iranian regime to nuke Israel.
Why does Israel need nuke for deterrence when its army is many times stronger and effective than all the Arab states combined?
I guess the National Defense
I guess the National Defense University are fools or knaves -- read their document:
"Reassessing the Implications of a Nuclear-Armed Iran"
Use google to find it.
10.000 killed and a nuclear fall-out not seen since Chernobyl
Those are the stakes, lest we forget. In contrast to the Osirak-reactor that Israel attacked in 1981 --which was brand new and not in use -- the Iranian ones are working in full swing.
The physicists living around the nuclear research-centers numbers -- with their wives and children -- around ten thousand, and if they are not killed by the explosions, they will be by the lethal level of radiation when the reactors gets torn open. Several clouds of radiation not seen since Chernobyl will rise, and render the sites un-inhabitable for hundreds of years, and depending on the direction of the wind [A fair guess is that it will not be blowing from the East, towards Israel] large swaths of land will get polluted, and radiation levels will be up-concentrated for every level in the food-chain.
The Jewish state -- which has cost the world so much -- security-wise as well as in economic terms -- will then on top of its conscience have a war of aggression against a country which itself have not conducted aggressive wars for hundreds of years, and whose intent of acquiring nuclear weapons has not been proved, who [in contrast to Israel] has signed the NPT , and who have allowed inspectors from the IAEA in.
This would be a huge crime against humanity, and the United States of America would have a heavy co-responsibility if anything like this should occur.
not a Jewish state -- a Zionist state
Let's be clear: Israel is not Jewish state -- it is Zionist one.
Fools and knaves
it is not the Jewish State that has "cost the world so much". It is the Arabs attempt to destroy a legitimate member state. All they have to do is accept Israel, a UN member State, and the world can move on.
It is Arab murder of Jews since well before the creation of Israel; Arab siding with Hitler in World War II, Arab intolerance, ranging from Mohammed's turning against the Jews when they wouldn't convert, to Arabs running States in which no religion but Islam is permitted in public, Arabs seizing vast amounts of jewish property and forcibly expelling Jews as non-military government policy, that is the problem, not Israel.
Blaming the victim is a game for fools and knaves, not serious people.
Didn't Israel side with the
Your arguments are not conducive to anything constructive.
Didn't Israel side with the South African aparthied regime?
Speaking of UN membership .... how about complying with "those" resolutions? .... how about accepting and working with the UN investigations into human rights violations in Gaza? .... how about allowing help to Gaza population under siege? ... how about not bombing UN compound in Gaza? .... and so on .....
Without acknowledging your statements, both sides have done regrettable actions and need to get past them if they want to find a solution.
Israel, if it is genuine in its intent to achieve peace, should: (A) foster a strong leadership within the Palestinians and not fomenting Hamas and delegitimizing Arafat; (B) obey the UN resolutions dealing with Israel, including reversing settlements, rather than creating a series of "fait accompli" by having settlers in the West Bank.
Some "realism"
1. Israeli settlements are perfectly legal under international law, despite what propagandists say. There is a wealth of legal analysis on the net by international law professors about this, not polemicists. Do your own research using Google. The determining documents are the League of Nations mandate which set up Palestine as a Jewish homeland from the river to the sea, and the UN decision, legally binding, creating israel specifically as a Jewish State. That the Arabs didn't like it and started repeated wars, refused to settle their own refugees but kept them in concentration camps, is simply evidence of the cause of the subsequent problems and the source of any fault or blame.
2. Non-binding UN resolutions in the General Assembly have no force of law. The Arabs got pretty much whatever they wanted through in this category. It's more propaganda.
3. The central problem is that while Arabs have many tens of Islamic states, they have refused to recognize Jews' rights since well before 1929, and murdered innocent civilians to try to drive the Jews out. Even today they say they will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state (their words--no use of the word "Zionist"), despite their having many Islamic states. Worse yet, although the Jewish state tolerates public worship by all religions and even subsidizes them; the Arab states forbid any public worship but Islam. This is official policy, not that of some extremists. Who are the barbarians here?
4. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. It has far more historical validity than some jumped up Egyptian terrorist named Arafat who tried to establish the notion of a fictitious Palestinian people. The "Palestinians" are simply the local Arabs, most of whom came from Syria and Egypt in the 19th century, attracted by the prosperity of Jewish development in what had previously been (according to eyewitness accounts) a largely uninhabited wasteland. Historically there never was a Palestinian State, Palestinian government, Palestinian culture, Palestinian national anthem, Palestinian kings, except for that of the Jews who lived in mandatory Palestine and before. That is pure Arab fictional bluster. Even the Arabs' own Al Aksa Waqf web site, up to about 20 years ago, admitted the Jewish history of "Palestine", the Jewish temples on the Temple Mount, etc. And the Waqf is the Moslem religious trust that speaks for Islam. I personally visited the site some years ago, and my Arab Waqf guide proudly recited the Jewish history of the area and the Temple Mount.
Since these facts have been often posted here and all over the world not only in Jewish but reputable non-Jewish and even some academic Arab sites, one can only conclude that those who try to contravene or deny them are either fools or knaves; anti-semites pure and simple. Such people do not deserve more than the occasional refutation for the benefit of any newbies.
Just stating that something
Just stating that something is true or right ad nauseam does not necessarily proof or disproof anything. Also, attempting to patronize me or trying to label me directly or indirectly an anti-semite will not make your arguments any stronger or mine any weaker. It seems the m.o. of the Israel lobby.
I am sure that you have links to your "facts" saved somewhere. It would be beneficial if you could share the foundations of your legal convictions.
I know of resolutions 181, 194, 425, and 426 dealing with Israel and Palestinians. Not sure if there is a 2-layer system of UN resolutions. Maybe you are referring to General Assembly resolutions vs. Security Council resolutions. It seems that Israel picks the one it likes and discards the others. True, the US never votes against Israel in the Security Council, regardless of the US interests.
This I know: Resolution 181 and 194 call for separate Jewish and Arab states in Palestine and establish the right of return of the Palestinian people. Resolutions 425 and 426 deal with the post-1978 situation after the Lebannon war.
You are worse than a
You are worse than a Holocaust denier, who might dispute the number of Jews killed in WWII without denying the existence of the Jewish people. You, on the other hand, not only deny the existence of the Nakba, you deny even the existence of the Palestinan people! The fact is that those "local Arabs" as you call them are Palestinians and they do exist in a place that has been called "Palestine" since Roman times. And whether you like it or not, they are your brothers and sisters and they have the same rights that you have to live in peace and security.
Short sighted? Blind sighted? Or just hate filled?
Sad, but hardly surprising is the idea that we should just let Iran handle things by themselves, or defer to their supposed need to 'protect themselves', from imaginary threats.
Reality is, that the Islamic Republic of Iran is the nation state that has over the course of 30 years, repeatedly rejected the idea of the independent Jewish state of Israel. It, not Israel, is the one threatening elimination. Such stands are taken not just at the highest levels of Iran's government, but to the people, with their weekly calls of Death to Israel.
Iran's philosophy towards the Jewish state have been wholly absorbed by its two proxy armies, Hizballah and HAMAS.
Iran's "isolation" is due in large part to this militaristic stand. The easiest way to step away from the edge of the cliff, is to acknowledge Israel as a legitimate state and forswear plans for its destruction.
Unfortunately, without such steps, claims that Iran mearly seeks the deterrence provided by nuclear weapons, falls on deaf ears, especially in light of the fact that all the neigbhoring nations do not have the military capacity to threaten Iran.
Israel is a rogue state
Iran is a member of the NPT and not a nuclear-armed nation.
Israel is not an NPT member and is nuclear armed and has attacked 3 of its neigbors in 3 years: Lebanon, Syria and Gaza.
Iran is surrounded by two nations, both of whom have been attacked by the US.
No wonder it desires the _capability_ to make nukes, if it should so desire.
As an American, why should I care what happens to Israel? They are just a big waste of my tax money.
And NDU says yes Iran can be deterred -- READ IT:
"Reassessing the Implications of a Nuclear-Armed Iran"
google it.
Iranian disinformation
The sudden campaign that the world can live with a nuclear Iran is Iranian-inspired disinformation, pure and simple. What's next, a campaign that the world can live with a second genocide of Jews in Israel and elsewhere?
There is a long history of "useful idiots" in the West serving the aims of totalitarian states. Nazi sympathizers, leftist defenders of Stalin shamelessly demonstrating the lateral Arabesque whenever needed; the list is long.
The world can live with
The world can live with nuclear Iran, it is Israel that think it cannot and it is trying to make its uneasiness the world's.
Iran knows that their regime and country will be over if a nuke is used anywhere in the world and there is even the slightest suspicion that Iran is behind it, either directly or indirectly.
As a result, nuclear Iran is a regional issue rather than a global one, like, again, Israel would have us believe.
I can understand why Israel is uneasy about a nuclear Iran, but why is it a US or world problem?
Israel is a Zionist state not a Jewish one
Israel is a Zionist state not a Jewish one.
I am a Jew and Israel is an embarrassment to all Jews.
It is in no way my land.
-Jews for Justice
Israel
Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people. That is incontrovertible fact, proven over and over again by archaeological evidence, and the historical narrative of other nations in the region, not just biblical narrative.
You cannot claim to be a Jew and deny that. The word Jew itself comes from the tribe of Judea, which ruled much of ancient Israel.
You may be a citizen of another country and owe it your loyalty, but you cannot deny that Israel is the homeland of your historical origin as a Jew.
You may not feel an affinity for modern Israel, but many millions of Jews world-wide do, and pray daily for the return of the Temple and the protection of Jerusalem, the holy city of the Jews. The Jews, not "the Zionists".
I treasure Philadelphia as the city of origin of the American republic, and pay and fight to protect it, Washington, etc. In fact I did serve in the US Army during the Korean conflict. That doesn't mean I want to move to Philadelphia. Just so with many non-Zionist Jews who fully support Israel, despite occasional disagreements about this or that policy of a sitting Israeli government. Do not misunderstand; such tactical disagreements do not reflect lack of support of Israel as a Jewish state with democratic freedoms and political representation for all its _citizens_, Jew and non-Jew alike.
Right
So all Catholics should get Vatican citizenship?
The Jews originally from the Levant should be allowed to live in Arab Palestine. I agree.
They do not have a right to own it, and not allow back the Arabs who lived there also.
Your religion does not give you a right to take someone else's real estate.
Israel started the nuclear arms race in the middle east
Repeat 100 times on the blackboard:
"The illegitimate apartheid racist Zionist rogue state of Israel started the nuclear arms race in the middle east"
Nut cases?
Illegitimate? Israel was legally created by the League of Nations and the UN. "Palestine" is not such a member state. "Palestinians" daily murder innocent civilians, Arab, Christian and Jew; Israeli and "Palestinian". They are illegitimate, not the Israelis.
Apartheid? Arab citizens have full rights and about 20 percent of the parliament--a swing voting bloc that can determine many decisions. Not so for the Jews in Arab states. Arabs forbid non-Islamic public worship in their countries. They are the apartheid states, not the Israelis.
Racist? There are black, brown, white, yellow citizens in Israel. Thousands of Ethiopians. Israel has welcomed many refugees who want to live peacefully there as it is constituted legally. Arab citizens have full political rights. Many non-Jewish and non-white groups receive government subsidies equally with caucasian Israelis. In contrast, non-Arabs had to pay a special Zakat tax in Arab countries and had no political representation. Arab countries kept slaves in modern times. They are the racists, not the Israelis.
Rogue? It was the Arabs who made repeated war on a legitimately created UN member swearing to "drive the Jews into the sea". Note: The Jews, not "the Zionists". It was the Arabs who murdered innocent Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. It was the Arabs who murdered innocent old wheelchair bound Americans such as Leon Klinghoffer; who beheaded the American journalist Pearl. They are the rogues, not Israel.
Posts such as the one I am responding to are part of the big lie--to accuse Israel of the crimes of the Arabs in an attempt to delegitimize it. That is beneath contempt.
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes,
Illegitimate?
Yes, Israel was born of terrorism and ethnic-cleansing. Read Illan Pappe's "The ethnic cleansing of Palestine"
Apartheid?
Why yes: Gaza is essentially a concentration camp -- with no rights of movement, airspace, waterways, army, nany or air-force for Palestinians.
Racist?
Clearly. The settlements on Arab land are for Jews only -- and they take the best land. See CBS 60 minutes:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752349n
Rogue?
Yes, 3 attacks on 3 neighboring states in 3 years: Lebabnon, Syria and Gaza.
Killing many many many more civilians than Palestinians.
READ CLINT
There are few rational comment-writers like CLINT.
His comments should be mandatory reading for all policy making politicians and the sceptics that consider that there is no solution to most of the world's problems.
The wrong people make the policies, all with too many skeletons in their cupboards and obligations to the Israeli lobby machine.
Well done, Clint.
READ CLINT II
Hell-o-oo from me too. So the apartheid state of Israel has never threatened anyone with its nuclear weapons? Hasn't Israel consistently brought up the SAMSON OPTION? And why does Israel demand the world recognize it as a "Jewish" state? So is that any different from Iran calling itself an "Islamic" republic?
Thanks.
In fact, Israel (Occupied Palestine) has threatened to use nuclear weapons to bomb Iran --- a country with no nuclear weapons. e.g. even the "respected" Israeli historian wrote this in NYT (I wonder how many "Neda"'s would be killed in an Israeli attack and whether the Zionist think-tanks would make a fuss over those pretty dead 'collateral damage' young women):
July 18, 2008
Op-Ed Contributor
Using Bombs to Stave Off War
By BENNY MORRIS
Li-On, Israel
ISRAEL will almost surely attack Iran’s nuclear sites in the next four to seven months — and the leaders in Washington and even Tehran should hope that the attack will be successful enough to cause at least a significant delay in the Iranian production schedule, if not complete destruction, of that country’s nuclear program. Because if the attack fails, the Middle East will almost certainly face a nuclear war — either through a subsequent pre-emptive Israeli nuclear strike or a nuclear exchange shortly after Iran gets the bomb.
It is in the interest of neither Iran nor the United States (nor, for that matter, the rest of the world) that Iran be savaged by a nuclear strike, or that both Israel and Iran suffer such a fate. We know what would ensue: a traumatic destabilization of the Middle East with resounding political and military consequences around the globe, serious injury to the West’s oil supply and radioactive pollution of the earth’s atmosphere and water.
But should Israel’s conventional assault fail to significantly harm or stall the Iranian program, a ratcheting up of the Iranian-Israeli conflict to a nuclear level will most likely follow. Every intelligence agency in the world believes the Iranian program is geared toward making weapons, not to the peaceful applications of nuclear power. And, despite the current talk of additional economic sanctions, everyone knows that such measures have so far led nowhere and are unlikely to be applied with sufficient scope to cause Iran real pain, given Russia’s and China’s continued recalcitrance and Western Europe’s (and America’s) ambivalence in behavior, if not in rhetoric. Western intelligence agencies agree that Iran will reach the “point of no return” in acquiring the capacity to produce nuclear weapons in one to four years.
Which leaves the world with only one option if it wishes to halt Iran’s march toward nuclear weaponry: the military option, meaning an aerial assault by either the United States or Israel. Clearly, America has the conventional military capacity to do the job, which would involve a protracted air assault against Iran’s air defenses followed by strikes on the nuclear sites themselves. But, as a result of the Iraq imbroglio, and what is rapidly turning into the Afghan imbroglio, the American public has little enthusiasm for wars in the Islamic lands. This curtails the White House’s ability to begin yet another major military campaign in pursuit of a goal that is not seen as a vital national interest by many Americans.
Which leaves only Israel — the country threatened almost daily with destruction by Iran’s leaders. Thus the recent reports about Israeli plans and preparations to attack Iran (the period from Nov. 5 to Jan. 19 seems the best bet, as it gives the West half a year to try the diplomatic route but ensures that Israel will have support from a lame-duck White House).
The problem is that Israel’s military capacities are far smaller than America’s and, given the distances involved, the fact that the Iranian sites are widely dispersed and underground, and Israel’s inadequate intelligence, it is unlikely that the Israeli conventional forces, even if allowed the use of Jordanian and Iraqi airspace (and perhaps, pending American approval, even Iraqi air strips) can destroy or perhaps significantly delay the Iranian nuclear project.
Nonetheless, Israel, believing that its very existence is at stake — and this is a feeling shared by most Israelis across the political spectrum — will certainly make the effort. Israel’s leaders, from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert down, have all explicitly stated that an Iranian bomb means Israel’s destruction; Iran will not be allowed to get the bomb.
The best outcome will be that an Israeli conventional strike, whether failed or not — and, given the Tehran regime’s totalitarian grip, it may not be immediately clear how much damage the Israeli assault has caused — would persuade the Iranians to halt their nuclear program, or at least persuade the Western powers to significantly increase the diplomatic and economic pressure on Iran.
But the more likely result is that the international community will continue to do nothing effective and that Iran will speed up its efforts to produce the bomb that can destroy Israel. The Iranians will also likely retaliate by attacking Israel’s cities with ballistic missiles (possibly topped with chemical or biological warheads); by prodding its local clients, Hezbollah and Hamas, to unleash their own armories against Israel; and by activating international Muslim terrorist networks against Israeli and Jewish — and possibly American — targets worldwide (though the Iranians may at the last moment be wary of provoking American military involvement).
Such a situation would confront Israeli leaders with two agonizing, dismal choices. One is to allow the Iranians to acquire the bomb and hope for the best — meaning a nuclear standoff, with the prospect of mutual assured destruction preventing the Iranians from actually using the weapon. The other would be to use the Iranian counterstrikes as an excuse to escalate and use the only means available that will actually destroy the Iranian nuclear project: Israel’s own nuclear arsenal.
Given the fundamentalist, self-sacrificial mindset of the mullahs who run Iran, Israel knows that deterrence may not work as well as it did with the comparatively rational men who ran the Kremlin and White House during the cold war. They are likely to use any bomb they build, both because of ideology and because of fear of Israeli nuclear pre-emption. Thus an Israeli nuclear strike to prevent the Iranians from taking the final steps toward getting the bomb is probable. The alternative is letting Tehran have its bomb. In either case, a Middle Eastern nuclear holocaust would be in the cards.
Iran’s leaders would do well to rethink their gamble and suspend their nuclear program. Bar this, the best they could hope for is that Israel’s conventional air assault will destroy their nuclear facilities. To be sure, this would mean thousands of Iranian casualties and international humiliation. But the alternative is an Iran turned into a nuclear wasteland. Some Iranians may believe that this is a worthwhile gamble if the prospect is Israel’s demise. But most Iranians probably don’t.
Benny Morris, a professor of Middle Eastern history at Ben-Gurion University, is the author, most recently, of “1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War.”
More illogic exposed
Benny Morris is not a member of the Israeli government and speaks only for himself. Ahmidinejad is the President of iran and speaks for the country when he threatens to nuke Israel.
Zionist liar
When has Iran threatened to use NUKES you liar?
Their religion has forbidden them from making nuclear weapons -- THAT is their government's position.
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Ghandi's view
Let's see what Gandhi said -- Short version:
Yes, Jews lived in the middle east 2000 years ago -- a few Sephardic Jews. This does not give Israel the right to import Jews from all over the globe to live in Arab Palestine.
Ashkenazi Jews should be deported from Israel go live in their own countries.
Israel was born from terrorism and ethnic cleansing and racism.
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It is of utmost importance to remember the time of this writing. It is 1938, Hitler is ruling Germany, and the clouds of a terrible conflict have begun to form. Gandhi's article shows his incredible sense of right and wrong, his blind faith in his methodology, and his profound vision of things to come...
A Non-Violent Look at Conflict & Violence
Article Written on November 20, 1938
Published in Harijan on November 26, 1938
by Mohandas K. Gandhi
Several letters have been received by me asking me to declare my views about the Arab-Jew question in Palestine and the persecution of the Jews in Germany. It is not without hesitation that I venture to offer my views on this very difficult question.
My sympathies are all with the Jews. I have known them intimately in South Africa. Some of them became life-long companions. Through these friends I came to learn much of their age-long persecution. They have been the untouchables of Christianity. The parallel between their treatment by Christians and the treatment of untouchables by Hindus is very close. Religious sanction has been invoked in both cases for the justification of the inhuman treatment meted out to them. Apart from the friendships, therefore, there is the more common universal reason for my sympathy for the Jews.
But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice. The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood?
Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home.
The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French in precisely the same sense that Christians born in France are French. If the Jews have no home but Palestine, will they relish the idea of being forced to leave the other parts of the world in which they are settled? Or do they want a double home where they can remain at will? This cry for the national home affords a colorable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews.
But the German persecution of the Jews seems to have no parallel in history. The tyrants of old never went so mad as Hitler seems to have gone. And he is doing it with religious zeal. For he is propounding a new religion of exclusive and militant nationalism in the name of which many inhumanity becomes an act of humanity to be rewarded here and hereafter. The crime of an obviously mad but intrepid youth is being visited upon his whole race with unbelievable ferocity. If there ever could be a justifiable war in the name of and for humanity, a war against Germany, to prevent the wanton persecution of a whole race, would be completely justified. But I do not believe in any war. A discussion of the pros and cons of such a war is therefore outside my horizon or province.
But if there can be no war against Germany, even for such a crime as is being committed against the Jews, surely there can be no alliance with Germany. How can there be alliance between a nation which claims to stand for justice and democracy and one which is the declared enemy of both? Or is England drifting towards armed dictatorship and all it means?
Germany is showing to the world how efficiently violence can be worked when it is not hampered by any hypocrisy or weakness masquerading as humanitarianism. It is also showing how hideous, terrible and terrifying it looks in its nakedness.
Can the Jews resist this organized and shameless persecution? Is there a way to preserve their self-respect, and not to feel helpless, neglected and forlorn? I submit there is.
No person who has faith in a living God need feel helpless or forlorn. Jehovah of the Jews is a God more personal than the God of the Christians, the Musalmans or the Hindus, though, as a matter of fact in essence, He is common to all the one without a second and beyond description. But as the Jews attribute personality to God and believe that He rules every action of theirs, they ought not to feel helpless.
If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest gentile German may, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this, I should not wait for the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance but would have confidence that in the end the rest are bound to follow my example. If one Jew or all the Jews were to accept the prescription here offered, he or they cannot be worse off than now. And suffering voluntarily undergone will bring them an inner strength and joy which no number of resolutions of sympathy passed in the world outside Germany can. Indeed, even if Britain, France and America were to declare hostilities against Germany, they can bring no inner joy, no inner strength. The calculated violence of Hitler may even result in a general massacre of the Jews by way of his first answer to the declaration of such hostilities. But if the Jewish mind could be prepared for voluntary suffering, even the massacre I have imagined could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy that Jehovah had wrought deliverance of the race even at the hands of the tyrant. For to the god fearing, death has no terror. It is a joyful sleep to be followed by a waking that would be all the more refreshing for the long sleep.
It is hardly necessary for me to point out that it is easier for the Jews than for the Czechs to follow my prescription. And they have in the Indian satyagraha campaign in South Africa an exact parallel. There the Indians occupied precisely the same place that the Jews occupy in Germany. The persecution had also a religious tinge. President Kruger used to say that the white Christians were the chosen of God and Indians were inferior beings created to serve the whites. A fundamental clause in the Transvaal constitution was that there should be no equality between the whites and colored races including Asia tics. There too the Indians were consigned to ghettos described as locations. The other disabilities were almost of the same type as those of the Jews in Germany. The Indians, a mere handful, resorted to satyagraha without any backing from the world outside or the Indian Government. Indeed the British officials tried to dissuade the satyagrahis (soldiers of non-violence) from their contemplated step. World opinion and the Indian Government came to their aid after eight years of fighting. And that too was by way of diplomatic pressure not of a threat of war.
But the Jews of Germany can offer satyagraha under infinitely better auspices than Indians of South Africa. The Jews are a compact, homogeneous community in Germany. they are far more gifted than the Indians of South Africa. And they have organized world opinion behind them. I am convinced that if someone with courage and vision can arise among them to lead them in nonviolent action, the winter of their despair can in the twinkling of an eye be turned into the summer of hope. And what has today become a degrading man-hunt can be turned in to a calm and determined stand offered by unarmed men and women possessing the strength of suffering given to them by Jehovah. It will be then a truly religious resistance offered against the godless fury of dehumanized man. The German Jews will score a lasting victory over the German gentiles in the sense that they will have converted that latter to an appreciation of human dignity. They will have rendered service to fellow-Germans and proved their title to be the real Germans as against those who are today dragging, however unknowingly, the German name into the mire.
And now a word to the Jews in Palestine. I have no doubt that they are going about it the wrong way. The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not geographical tract. It is in their hearts. But if they must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs. They should seek to convert the Arab heart. The same God rules the Arab heart, who rules the Jewish heart. They can offer satyagraha in front of the Arabs and offer themselves to be shot or thrown in to the Dead Sea without raising a little finger against them. They will find the world opinion in the their favor in their religious aspiration. There are hundreds of ways of reasoning with the Arabs, if they will only discard the help of the British bayonet. As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them.
I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regarded as an unwarrantable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.
Let the Jews who claim to be the chosen race prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vindicating their position on earth. Every country is their home including Palestine, not by aggression but by loving service. A Jewish friend has sent me a book called The Jewish Contribution to Civilization by Cecil Roth. It gives a record of what the Jews have done to enrich the word's Literature, art, music, drama, science, medicine, agriculture, etc. Given the will, the Jews can refuse to be treated as the outcaste of the West, to be despised or patronized. He can command the attention and respect of the world by being man, the chosen creation of God, instead of being man who is fast sinking to the brute and forsaken by God. They can add to their many contributions the surpassing contribution of non-violent action.
© 1987 Navajivan Trust.
Rogues
Apparently some here are not only falsely accusing Israel of being a rogue state, but also are behaving like rogues themselves. There has been a moderator request to use URL pointers rather than extensively quote works of others here. Some continue to ignore this subsequent to that request.
Yes, try censorship when all else fails
How about you dispute the substance of Gandhi's view instead of trying to censor? (the new rules do not allow one to paste-in a URL -- try it -- or it may be Mossad is hacking my computer(?)
How Israel works
This is letter published in the Washington Post:
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/04/AR2009070402026.html
Lawlessness From Israeli Settlers
Sunday, July 5, 2009
Israeli courts have declared the wall being built near the Palestinian village of Bilin illegal, and yet it continues to be built ["In the West Bank, Suburb or Settlement?," news story, June 30].
I visited the West Bank in October and saw other instances of this phenomenon: A court rules in favor of Palestinians, but the court's order is ignored or rendered meaningless. While in East Jerusalem, I stayed with Fawzieh and Mohammed al-Kurd, members of a family who became refugees in 1948 when they lost their home. A Jewish settler group wants to obtain the property the al-Kurds now own, along with the homes of 23 other Palestinian families in the Sheik Jarrah neighborhood, in order to tear down the houses there and build new housing only for Jews.
The settler group registered a claim to ownership of the Palestinians' property in 1972, asserting that it had purchased the land in the late 1800s. An Israeli court ordered the Palestinian families of Sheik Jarrah to pay rent to the Jewish group, despite the fact that the families had owned and lived in their houses for decades.
The Sheik Jarrah families naturally refused to do so. In 2006, after an expensive legal battle, another Israeli court found the settlers' ownership claim to be fraudulent, but the land registrar of the Jerusalem municipality refused to reinstate the Palestinian families' ownership.
Fawzieh and Mohammed were evicted last November for refusing to pay rent to the settler group on the basis of the settlers' fraudulent claims. Mohammed al-Kurd had a heart attack on the night of the eviction and died a few days later. Fawzieh remains homeless, a refugee once again, and is living in a tent. This is Israeli justice if you are Palestinian.
JEAN ATHEY
Brookeville
Jews and Palestinians are the same
Well, it turns out Jews are not the chosen people after all -- stop press!
Here is how Zionists with "PhD's" behave when they hear that news:
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/25/medicalscience.genetics
Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians
A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.
Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical dogma.
'I have authored several hundred scientific papers, some for Nature and Science, and this has never happened to me before,' said the article's lead author, Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, of Complutense University in Madrid. 'I am stunned.'
British geneticist Sir Walter Bodmer added: 'If the journal didn't like the paper, they shouldn't have published it in the first place. Why wait until it has appeared before acting like this?'
The journal's editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it. The article has been removed from Human Immunology's website, while letters have been written to libraries and universities throughout the world asking them to ignore or 'preferably to physically remove the relevant pages'. Arnaiz-Villena has been sacked from the journal's editorial board.
Dolly Tyan, president of the American Society of Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, which runs the journal, told subscribers that the society is 'offended and embarrassed'.
The paper, 'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations', involved studying genetic variations in immune system genes among people in the Middle East.
In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team's research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.
Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude.
But the journal, having accepted the paper earlier this year, now claims the article was politically biased and was written using 'inappropriate' remarks about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Its editor told the journal Nature last week that she was threatened by mass resignations from members if she did not retract the article.
Arnaiz-Villena says he has not seen a single one of the accusations made against him, despite being promised the opportunity to look at the letters sent to the journal.
He accepts he used terms in the article that laid him open to criticism. There is one reference to Jewish 'colonists' living in the Gaza strip, and another that refers to Palestinian people living in 'concentration' camps.
'Perhaps I should have used the words settlers instead of colonists, but really, what is the difference?' he said.
'And clearly, I should have said refugee, not concentration, camps, but given that I was referring to settlements outside of Israel - in Syria and Lebanon - that scarcely makes me anti-Jewish. References to the history of the region, the ones that are supposed to be politically offensive, were taken from the Encyclopaedia Britannica, and other text books.'
In the wake of the journal's actions, and claims of mass protests about the article, several scientists have now written to the society to support Arnaiz-Villena and to protest about their heavy-handedness.
One of them said: 'If Arnaiz-Villena had found evidence that Jewish people were genetically very special, instead of ordinary, you can be sure no one would have objected to the phrases he used in his article. This is a very sad business.'
Thank you for using . . .
. . . "kerfluffle," and not the far inferior, vulgar and ridiculous, "kerfuffle." The little things matter.
Get the IAEA into Israel first
US support of Israeli warmongering towards Iran's nuclear program, legally allowed to enrich uranium as a NPT member, is outright, hypocritical, double standard BS the United States has been following in its foreign policy.
The US should force Israel to adhere to the standards that it and the US want to impose on Iran. They want Iranian nuclear transparency? Then Israel better be just as transparent.
Israel has their hegemonic aspirations to hide, Iran does not. After all, Iran has not invaded another country for 3500 years. Israel on the other hand, well, their record speaks for themselves.
It is in line with AIPAC rhetoric to demonize Iran. It takes the focus off them and it’s their intention to agitate elsewhere so the world does not focus on their ulterior motives.
We fought their war in Iraq to the detrimant of the US, isn't that enough ?
Arab states and non-Arab states on the periphery of the Arab world have been living in the shadow of Israeli nuclear weapons for four decades.
The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) has issued numerous statements affirming that Iran does not have the bomb and that there are no signs it is trying to develop one.
Iran itself has said it will not produce nuclear weapons. Furthermore, unlike Israel it has signed up to the NPT and allows inspections of its nuclear installations.
Not since Mordecai Vanunu provided information and photographs to the London Sunday Times in 1986 has any information leaked out about what is going inside Israel’s main nuclear plant at Dimona.
During the Kennedy years, Israel allowed American nuclear scientists to make ‘visits’ to Dimona but these proved to be so ineffective they were eventually discontinued (by the Nixon administration). When the scientists were allowed into the plant they were rushed through and never allowed to see what they needed to see to confirm that Israel was not developing nuclear weapons.
Of course, a full inspection of the Dimona plant would have revealed that this was exactly what Israel was doing.
Anyone in Iran’s shoes would regard the attitude of the US, the UN Security Council and the EU, both following the US line in support of Israel, as neo-imperialist.
Since 1979, the Islamic republic has gone to war only once, to defend itself against attack by Iraq in 1980.
Israel has invaded Lebanon twice (1982 and 2006), has attacked Syria once (when it bombed what it claimed was a nuclear site in September 2007) and Gaza many times, culminating in the three week onslaught beginning in late December 2008. To this list must be added its undercover operations, including assassinations, in the occupied territories, Syria and Lebanon.
The Iran issue is 100% Israeli.
When will Obama hold Israel to the same standards that Israel is demanding ? Let's level the nuclear playing field here.