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The myth of the "surge"

With the level of violence rising and the Kurds pressing for a level of autonomy that borders on independence, can we finally dispense with the myth that the 2007 "surge" in Iraq was a success?
The surge had two main goals. The first goal was to bring the level of violence down by increasing U.S. force levels in key areas, forging a tactical alliance with cooperative Sunni groups, and shifting to a counterinsurgency strategy that emphasized population protection. This aspect of the surge succeeded, though it is still hard to know how much of the progress was due to increased force levels and improved tactics and how much was due to other developments, such as the prior "ethnic cleansing" that had separated the contending groups.
The second and equally important goal was to promote political reconciliation among the competing factions in Iraq. This goal was not achieved, and the consequences of that failure are increasingly apparent. What lies ahead is a long-delayed test of strength between the various contending groups, until a new formula for allocating political power emerges. That formula has been missing since before the United States invaded -- that is, Washington never had a plausible plan for reconstructing a workable Iraqi state once it dismantled Saddam's regime -- and it will be up to the Iraqi people to work it out amongst themselves. It won’t be pretty.
With the passage of time, the "surge" should be seen as a well-intentioned attempt to staunch the violence temporarily and let President Bush hand the problem off to his successor. Hawks will undoubtedly try to pin the blame on Obama by claiming that we were (finally) winning by the time Bush left office, in the hope that Americans have forgotten the strategic objectives that the "surge" was supposed to achieve. It's a bogus argument, but what would you expect from the folks who got us in there in the first place?
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And let's not forget the > several hundred thousand dead Iraqis
Let's also not forget the > several hundred thousand dead Iraqis as a direct and indirect result of the war which will be source of terrorism against U.S. citizens for >1 century.
You say it "is still hard to know how much of the progress was due to increased force levels and improved tactics and how much was due to other developments, such as the prior "ethnic cleansing" that had separated the contending groups."
Also hard to know how much of the progress was due to direct payments to potential militants, with which they can now buy (probably U.S. origin) arms.
At least the oil companies got a few no-bid contracts out of the war and Haliburton is doing well.
Swell.
Iran won the Iraq war initaited by Zionist Think-tanks! ;)
I think the most ironic part of the whole deal is that Iran has won the Iraq war which was initiated and fanned by Zionist "think"-tanks.
Let's make sure we keep listening to their view carefully....and do the exact opposite.
Surge-iness
Let's also remember that the "surge" part of the surge - "surging" the number of troops in Iraq - was illusory. We increased our number of troops in Iraq as our allies were reducing theirs, effectively balancing out (I think the net increase was around 6,000, which was not going to "make a difference" in any significant way). One myth surrounding the surge will be that while Rumsfeld sent in insufficient troops, the surge corrected that and things were turning around because of our overall increased presence, but that Obama and the Democrats wouldn't "let us win." While Michele Bachmann (R-Minn) has already been saying this for a long time, I think it will gain currency as Republicans (and their "liberal hawk" fellow travelers) try to pin a Vietnam-like loss on the Democrats, again.
The surge was a decoy...
The surge was largely a cover story, and the real event was the introduction of a new method of surveillance. The new method is either a new technology, or new tactics, or better intelligence, or some combination of the above, but Bob Woodward knows (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/60minutes/main4415771_page3.shtml), and although he's not telling, he compares whatever it is to the introduction of tanks and aircraft.
As for pinning the blame for Vietnam on the Democrats: by the late stages of the Vietnam War, the US had reached the point where it was beating the NVA at their own game (read between the lines of _Achilles in Vietnam_ -- especially one veteran's account of how he handled ambushes after he went berserk -- or various memoirs of the war). Further helping things was the Tet Offensive, which shocked the US, but achieved little more than mauling a US battalion at Hué City, and on the Communist side saw the destruction of the Vietcong as a fighting force. After that, it would have been over, the other way, were it not for 1968 and Nixon's fondness for burglary and tape recorders.
As for pinning the blame for
As for pinning the blame for Vietnam on the Democrats: by the late stages of the Vietnam War, the US had reached the point where it was beating the NVA at their own game (read between the lines of _Achilles in Vietnam_ -- especially one veteran's account of how he handled ambushes after he went berserk -- or various memoirs of the war). Further helping things was the Tet Offensive, which shocked the US, but achieved little more than mauling a US battalion at Hué City, and on the Communist side saw the destruction of the Vietcong as a fighting force.
Why do you believe these lies?
Sure, lots of other people believe them too. People have written books. But why do you believe the lies?
Our military was optimistic about its strategies at every step of the way. Each of those strategies except the last one, turned out to be delusionary. Tet showed that the plans we had before Tet were utter delusions, that our estimate of the situation had been completely bogus. We got past that using superior firepower, and we killed some number of vietnamese insurgents along with a much larger number of vietnamese civilians -- which presumably reduced the resistance.
We were wrong every time until the last. Why do you believe we got it right the last time?
Whenever Obamobots like you
Whenever Obamobots like you and Ricks write this kind of pablum, I always picture you (or him) in a white frilly dress, with your hair in pigtails, your eyes screwed shut, clicking your ruby slippers 3x, and chanting repeatedly 'It's all Bush's fault, it's all Bush's fault.'
I guess there's no point at which Obama become responsible for Iraq, so you're going to be doing this routine for years, eh?
The "responsibility" for the
The "responsibility" for the ill-concieved, ill-fought, ill-ended war will be extracted over >1 century that American will be targets of terrorism spawned by Bush's War.
So yes, it will be the responsibility of the next 25 administrations -- A responsibility thrusted on them by that dunce Bush.
Bush rightfully attacked the Taliban in Afghanistan in October 2001. Unfortunately Bush, blinded by some personal agenda, failed to focus there and diverted our resources to attacking Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Bush failed to deploy adequate troops, "outsourced" the hunt for Osama bin Laden, and propped up corrupt regimes in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In doing so, Bush failed to deliver on his promise to get the murderer of nearly 3,000 people killed in the Sept. 11 attacks "dead or alive."
How can the failure of Bush, after eight years, to defeat the Taliban and find bin Laden be Obama's war? The Taliban remains a threat, and President Obama is cleaning up yet another mess left him by attempting to finish what Bush started but failed to do.
That you may not like Obama does not make Bush a genius for starting the stupid Iraq war and making us all party to war crimes there via our tax dollars.
If I buy a house from you after you take a big dump in the living room -- I am "responsible" for cleaning up your mess, but I cannot be blamed if the house doesn't smell like roses within 200 days.
If you don't want to be
If you don't want to be responsible for the dump I take in my living room, there's a simple way out for you--don't buy my house.
The notion that a president gets to pick and choose what he's responsible for during his term is absurd, regardless of how misguided the policies of his predecessor were.
Extend this reasoning and you'll see how ridiculous it is: Was Bush not responsible for al-Queda's actions during his 8 years because of Clinton's foolish policies in response to bin Laden's declaration of war on us? Is Carter the only president responsible for Iran? Which president do we blame for Israel-Palestine? Truman?
Yeah right -- just because
Yeah right -- just because everything was not perfect when Obama moved in he should not have run for presidency.
Great logic.
Advice to Republicans: stop taking dumps in your living rooms.
You're either incapable of
You're either incapable of understanding my post or simply unwilling.
If Obama didn't want to take responsibility for the country, he shouldn't have run. Period.
Problem with English?
Taking "responsibility" does not mean you can turn a crap into a bouquet of roses -- only that you will try honestly.
If at the end of 4 years a piece of crap that Bush handed him is still a piece of crap it is not Obama's failure.
It will take >100 years to undo the damage Bush started.
During that time we will need Presidents, even if they are not magicians capable of turning crap-heaps into roses.
I do not believe that the
I do not believe that the goal at any time was for a unified and strong Iraq. Hence, the political quasi-independence of the Kurds and the on-going Sunni - Shia factionalism was part of the intended American legacy.
This is what it was
This is what it was about:
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?pagewanted=print
June 19, 2008
Deals With Iraq Are Set to Bring Oil Giants Back
By ANDREW E. KRAMER
BAGHDAD — Four Western oil companies are in the final stages of negotiations this month on contracts that will return them to Iraq, 36 years after losing their oil concession to nationalization as Saddam Hussein rose to power.
Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP — the original partners in the Iraq Petroleum Company — along with Chevron and a number of smaller oil companies, are in talks with Iraq’s Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to service Iraq’s largest fields, according to ministry officials, oil company officials and an American diplomat.
The deals, expected to be announced on June 30, will lay the foundation for the first commercial work for the major companies in Iraq since the American invasion, and open a new and potentially lucrative country for their operations.
The no-bid contracts are unusual for the industry, and the offers prevailed over others by more than 40 companies, including companies in Russia, China and India. The contracts, which would run for one to two years and are relatively small by industry standards, would nonetheless give the companies an advantage in bidding on future contracts in a country that many experts consider to be the best hope for a large-scale increase in oil production.
There was suspicion among many in the Arab world and among parts of the American public that the United States had gone to war in Iraq precisely to secure the oil wealth these contracts seek to extract. The Bush administration has said that the war was necessary to combat terrorism. It is not clear what role the United States played in awarding the contracts; there are still American advisers to Iraq’s Oil Ministry.
Sensitive to the appearance that they were profiting from the war and already under pressure because of record high oil prices, senior officials of two of the companies, speaking only on the condition that they not be identified, said they were helping Iraq rebuild its decrepit oil industry.
For an industry being frozen out of new ventures in the world’s dominant oil-producing countries, from Russia to Venezuela, Iraq offers a rare and prized opportunity.
While enriched by $140 per barrel oil, the oil majors are also struggling to replace their reserves as ever more of the world’s oil patch becomes off limits. Governments in countries like Bolivia and Venezuela are nationalizing their oil industries or seeking a larger share of the record profits for their national budgets. Russia and Kazakhstan have forced the major companies to renegotiate contracts.
The Iraqi government’s stated goal in inviting back the major companies is to increase oil production by half a million barrels per day by attracting modern technology and expertise to oil fields now desperately short of both. The revenue would be used for reconstruction, although the Iraqi government has had trouble spending the oil revenues it now has, in part because of bureaucratic inefficiency.
For the American government, increasing output in Iraq, as elsewhere, serves the foreign policy goal of increasing oil production globally to alleviate the exceptionally tight supply that is a cause of soaring prices.
The Iraqi Oil Ministry, through a spokesman, said the no-bid contracts were a stop-gap measure to bring modern skills into the fields while the oil law was pending in Parliament.
It said the companies had been chosen because they had been advising the ministry without charge for two years before being awarded the contracts, and because these companies had the needed technology.
A Shell spokeswoman hinted at the kind of work the companies might be engaged in. “We can confirm that we have submitted a conceptual proposal to the Iraqi authorities to minimize current and future gas flaring in the south through gas gathering and utilization,” said the spokeswoman, Marnie Funk. “The contents of the proposal are confidential.”
While small, the deals hold great promise for the companies.
“The bigger prize everybody is waiting for is development of the giant new fields,” Leila Benali, an authority on Middle East oil at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, said in a telephone interview from the firm’s Paris office. The current contracts, she said, are a “foothold” in Iraq for companies striving for these longer-term deals.
Any Western oil official who comes to Iraq would require heavy security, exposing the companies to all the same logistical nightmares that have hampered previous attempts, often undertaken at huge cost, to rebuild Iraq’s oil infrastructure.
And work in the deserts and swamps that contain much of Iraq’s oil reserves would be virtually impossible unless carried out solely by Iraqi subcontractors, who would likely be threatened by insurgents for cooperating with Western companies.
Yet at today’s oil prices, there is no shortage of companies coveting a contract in Iraq. It is not only one of the few countries where oil reserves are up for grabs, but also one of the few that is viewed within the industry as having considerable potential to rapidly increase production.
David Fyfe, a Middle East analyst at the International Energy Agency, a Paris-based group that monitors oil production for the developed countries, said he believed that Iraq’s output could increase to about 3 million barrels a day from its current 2.5 million, though it would probably take longer than the six months the Oil Ministry estimated.
Mr. Fyfe’s organization estimated that repair work on existing fields could bring Iraq’s output up to roughly four million barrels per day within several years. After new fields are tapped, Iraq is expected to reach a plateau of about six million barrels per day, Mr. Fyfe said, which could suppress current world oil prices.
The contracts, the two oil company officials said, are a continuation of work the companies had been conducting here to assist the Oil Ministry under two-year-old memorandums of understanding. The companies provided free advice and training to the Iraqis. This relationship with the ministry, said company officials and an American diplomat, was a reason the contracts were not opened to competitive bidding.
A total of 46 companies, including the leading oil companies of China, India and Russia, had memorandums of understanding with the Oil Ministry, yet were not awarded contracts.
The no-bid deals are structured as service contracts. The companies will be paid for their work, rather than offered a license to the oil deposits. As such, they do not require the passage of an oil law setting out terms for competitive bidding. The legislation has been stalled by disputes among Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish parties over revenue sharing and other conditions.
The first oil contracts for the majors in Iraq are exceptional for the oil industry.
They include a provision that could allow the companies to reap large profits at today’s prices: the ministry and companies are negotiating payment in oil rather than cash.
“These are not actually service contracts,” Ms. Benali said. “They were designed to circumvent the legislative stalemate” and bring Western companies with experience managing large projects into Iraq before the passage of the oil law.
A clause in the draft contracts would allow the companies to match bids from competing companies to retain the work once it is opened to bidding, according to the Iraq country manager for a major oil company who did not consent to be cited publicly discussing the terms.
Assem Jihad, the Oil Ministry spokesman, said the ministry chose companies it was comfortable working with under the charitable memorandum of understanding agreements, and for their technical prowess. “Because of that, they got the priority,” he said.
In all cases but one, the same company that had provided free advice to the ministry for work on a specific field was offered the technical support contract for that field, one of the companies’ officials said.
The exception is the West Qurna field in southern Iraq, outside Basra. There, the Russian company Lukoil, which claims a Hussein-era contract for the field, had been providing free training to Iraqi engineers, but a consortium of Chevron and Total, a French company, was offered the contract. A spokesman for Lukoil declined to comment.
Charles Ries, the chief economic official in the American Embassy in Baghdad, described the no-bid contracts as a bridging mechanism to bring modern technology into the fields before the oil law was passed, and as an extension of the earlier work without charge.
To be sure, these are not the first foreign oil contracts in Iraq, and all have proved contentious.
The Kurdistan regional government, which in many respects functions as an independent entity in northern Iraq, has concluded a number of deals. Hunt Oil Company of Dallas, for example, signed a production-sharing agreement with the regional government last fall, though its legality is questioned by the central Iraqi government. The technical support agreements, however, are the first commercial work by the major oil companies in Iraq.
The impact, experts say, could be remarkable increases in Iraqi oil output.
While the current contracts are unrelated to the companies’ previous work in Iraq, in a twist of corporate history for some of the world’s largest companies, all four oil majors that had lost their concessions in Iraq are now back.
But a spokesman for Exxon said the company’s approach to Iraq was no different from its work elsewhere.
“Consistent with our longstanding, global business strategy, ExxonMobil would pursue business opportunities as they arise in Iraq, just as we would in other countries in which we are permitted to operate,” the spokesman, Len D’Eramo, said in an e-mailed statement.
But the company is clearly aware of the history. In an interview with Newsweek last fall, the former chief executive of Exxon, Lee Raymond, praised Iraq’s potential as an oil-producing country and added that Exxon was in a position to know. “There is an enormous amount of oil in Iraq,” Mr. Raymond said. “We were part of the consortium, the four companies that were there when Saddam Hussein threw us out, and we basically had the whole country.”
James Glanz and Jad Mouawad contributed reporting from New York.
Relook the facts
By any objective measure of effectiveness the counterinsurgency strategy that was initiated in 2007 combined with the required increase in troop levels has made a marked improvement in Iraq. Civilian casualties are down to 10% of the levels they were in 2008. The ability of the Government of Iraq (GoI) to provide essential services such as sewage, electricity, garbage collection has substantially improved throughout the country. The Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) as a whole have been transformed and are emerging as a capable force that is largely non-sectarian; a far cry from what they were in 2007. Recently the Iraqis have held Provincial elections and have seated new governments; run by officials who were democratically elected in a process that the UN and all other outside observers judged to be fair and credible. As a result of all this, the people of Iraq now view their government as legitimate; the ultimate goal of any democratic government. Iraq is now establishing formal diplomatic relations with both other countries in the region and the broader international community. It is making progress towards acceptance into the World Trade Organization. In addition, Iraq is engaged in delicate deliberations with countries such as Kuwait over long disputed borders and war reparations caused by Saddam Hussein’s invasion into Kuwait. Economically, politically, diplomatically, and militarily Iraq has been transformed since 2007 and 2008. None of this would have occurred without the so-called surge.
Finally, you brought up the point of reconciliation; claiming that “the goal has not been achieved.” Again, a fair and objective assessment of the situation since “the surge” was initiated about 18 months ago would come to a different conclusion. The “Sunni insurgency” is no longer a viable threat in Iraq. Sure there are small pockets of former Ba’athists who still seek to achieve power, but the Sunni population has rejected them. The only other Sunni extremist group still operating in Iraq if affiliated with al-Qaeda and they too are shunned by the people. The Sunni insurgency is dead and all that remains are small criminal groups and terrorists who wantonly kill innocent civilians to gain attention to their cause. In fact, the “increase in violence” is actually an increase over the low that had been achieved earlier this year and is a result of a handful of tragic high-profile suicide and car bombings conducted by foreign sponsored terrorists who are trying to reignite sectarian fighting; an attempt that is failing to achieve its purpose.
Reconciliation is working, but it takes time. The Son’s of Iraq (SoI) which had over 100,000 former Sunni insurgents is increasingly becoming part of the political process. The GoI is honoring its commitment to them and is helping them find employment both inside and outside of government. A sizeable number of these former insurgents are now part of the Iraqi Army, National Police, and/or Iraqi police. In short, they are becoming part of the solution, not the problem. Are there continuing challenges with reintegrating this group into the political process? You bet. But the process has progressed far beyond what most had thought remotely possible 18 months ago.
Similarly, most of the former Shia militant groups have eschewed violence and are increasingly becoming part of the political process. Jaysh al Mahdi (JAM) is now largely a political organization. Muqtada al-Sadr's new organization the so-called Promised Day Brigade (PDB) has renounced violence against Iraqi civilians and the ISF. In a recent major achievement, Asaib Ahl al-Haq (AAH), an organization that has been one of the most recalcitrant Shia groups is now in a cease-fire with the GoI as it discusses reconciliation and reintegration. With the exception of the small splinter group Kata'ib Hizballah (KH), a group that maintains exceptionally close ties with Iran’s IRGC-Qods Force, almost all other Shia groups are engaged in the political process and have renounced violence against other Iraqis.
You point to the Arab-Kurd crisis as evidence that the surge failed in its goal to achieve reconciliation. Remember that “the surge” was designed to give Iraqis time and space to pursue reconciliation by getting the level of violence down to an acceptable level such that the political process could continue. While there is Arab-Kurd tension, political dialogue continues. To date, this tension has not resulted in violence. Does this issue remain a potential flash point? Absolutely. But it is something that the KRG, GoI, USG, UN and others are working hard to ensure doesn’t erupt into a conflict. As you may recall, this conflict has been in existence for a century; and it is not something that is likely to be resolved over night. No long standing conflict ends quickly. How long did it take for reconciliation and reintegration totake place after the US Civil War? Or, how long is it taking in Northern Ireland? The point is that the level of violence has been reduced to the point where a political process is possible.
Was “the surge” in and of itself responsible for these successes? Absolutely not. Did unanticipated events occur that contributed to the substantial progress. You bet. In fact one could also that a little bit of luck was involved. But, luck was also involved with D-Day yet it is recognized as a military success story.
It’s absolutely fair to criticize the Bush Administration for the many mistakes that were made between 2003 and 2007. History will also be the judge of whether the conflict was worth the costs. But, to deny that significant progress has made in Iraq along all measures of effectiveness is factually inaccurate and intellectually vacuous. Without “the surge” none of this would have been achieved. While some analysts bet their credibility on predicting the failure of the surge, to continue to argue that the surge was a failure demonstrates an acute lack of understanding of the progress that has been made; and the causes of that progress.
One thing that everyone needs
One thing that everyone needs to realize is that if the surge is deemed successful, Walt and like minded would-be policy shapers will have a more difficult time pushing their agenda and ideas.
Walt has a large vested interest in pushing this meme. His post isn't just about Bush-bashing.
which meme?
Which meme?
The Iraq war is _already_ a disaster -- no matter if there is eventually peace.
Several hundred thousand Iraqis killed.
Iraq now a Iran satellite state.
The question is what degree of failure and whether it will be a stable failure or an unstable failure?
More than a million
When Americans discuss the crimes of the North Korean regime, they hold the government responsible for the "surge" in the mortality rates during the famines.
However, when Americans dicuss Iraq, they no longer talk of the "surge" of mortality rates, but ask for specific body counts of those demonstrably killed by American armaments.
Using the lesser number, it is hundreds of thousands who have been killed ... using the mortality rates usualy used when discussing these "chosen" catastrophes, it is well over a million.
Who Lost Iraq?
Is it that time already?
Not sure
Not sure who lost Iraq -- but Iran won.
Thank you zionist think-tanks! mwa!
Iraq was a disaster before
Iraq was a disaster before the invasion in 2003; but it's convenient to forget the hundreds of thousands that were killed by Saddam because we didn't see it on TV. Today, despite the periodic high profile attacks conducted by foreign supported terrorists, much of Iraq is peaceful and is experience democracy for the first time in its history.
The discussion on how to count casualties is fruitless because every group has a different incentive for coming up with numbers. The US military tried to count all civilian deaths as accurately as possible by physically checking with the morgues. So, the numbers presented in Congressional reports are known and verified civilian casualties. We all know that this number does not capture all killings. But, what killings do you count? Any murder? Only sectarian killings? How does one know the difference? The UN also has some “estimates” which are higher than the US known killings. The ground truth is somewhere in between. But, in no case is the comment “several hundred thousand killed” verified by any credible source. And whowver wrote millions of fatalities is off by a factor of ten. Where are the FACTS to support your assertions?
As far as who is responsible for all the civilian deaths a couple of thoughts come to mind. How about Iran for their sponsorship of Shia militants responsible for sectarian killings of Sunni civilians? How about Syria for allowing former Ba’ath party extremists operating in Iraq to receive funds and munitions that transit their country? How about al-Qasda and its affiliates al-Qaeda in Iraq and ISI for embracing an ideology of hatred and intolerance that not only gives them the “justification” to kill Coalition Forces and Iraqi Security Forces, but also innocent Iraqi civilians – Sunni, Shia, Christian – who oppose their view of the world. The United States can only be held accountable for all these deaths by following the same long that say the United States is responsible for Global Warming, World Hunger, the spread of HIV AIDS, and World Poverty. The truth is that all of these opinions are devoid of a factual basis and reflect an ideology not an analysis.
As far as Iran being the big winner in Iraq, well that is the most common assertion by those opposed to the war in Iraq. But, is this assessment supported by the facts? It was probably a much stronger argument in January 2008 than it is today. Why? First, the Iranians overplayed their hand in March 2008 while supporting Shia on Shia violence in Basra. This resulted in widespread condemnation by the Shia led government of Iraq and, more importantly, by the Iraqi Shia population that dominates southern Iraq. The Iraqi Shia population has largely turned against the Iranians – and Iranian supported political leaders – throughout Iraq. That was the big lesson from the elections held in January 2009. Finally, the civil unrest in Iran during the aftermath of the June 2009 Presidential elections has further diminished Iran’s influence in Iraq. This issue is still playing out, but watch in the next year as Iran becomes more and more isolated regionally as a result of their own domestic repression. The Iraqi people have been through a period of violence and war-weariness has set in. While last year the Iranian system of Islamic governance was held up as model for other Shia societies, today it is becoming increasingly clear to the majority of the Iraqi population that clerical dictatorship is just as bad as secular dictatorship.
While it is clear that many in the US political system were hoping for a US failure in Iraq in order to bludgeon the Bush Administration, the truth is that we are on the verge of success. The hard fought gains won thus far can still be lost if we don’t carefully manage the withdrawal. But, progress made during the last two years has given Iraq an opportunity for political, economic and diplomatic development. The US and coalition forces played a critical role in this. However, in the end the determination of who is responsible for the victory -- or defeat -- in Iraq will not be President Bush or President Obama. Rather, it will be the Iraqi people. They are in the driver’s seat now and much work still needs to be done. Hopefully the United States will remain by their side in the decade or two to come as they continue to fight for their future as an important player in the dynamics of regional peace and security.
Logic and facts
"...hundreds of thousands that were killed by Saddam ..."
source please?
Even if true, it does not justify us killing a million more Iraqis.
So we are on the "verge of success" -- Ok then, if we "win", the responsibility for the win will be Obama's right?
Brownshirts and Armbands
"source please?"
During my time in Iraq I worked alongside Justice Department officials. Their job involved exhuming the mass graves full of the victims of Saddam's regime. He told me they were on track to uncover a million bodies. I don't know if that was 50% or 200% or 10% close to the truth, and I'm not going to bother trying to dig up sources or statistics.
I am wondering, though, why you ARE asking for those sources. Do you really still need more proof that Saddam was a bad guy? MAYBE even worse than Bush?
Your last question, I think, provides some clues. And I'll go ahead and answer it for you: Yes. Unequivocally, unreservedly, YES. I'll give credit for the "win" to Obama or Bush or Kim Jong Il or King Leopold II for that matter, just as long as there IS success in Iraq. Credit and blame are nothing but polemics. That debate is petty, fruitless, and juvenile at best, downright counterproductive at worst while lives and futures are at stake.
rickbrennanjr spelled it out better than I could; despite your best efforts at cutting-and-pasting and your anti-Zionist sniping (the j00z are behind it all, dontcha know), you are out of your league.
"source please?" During my
"source please?"
During my time in Iraq I worked alongside Justice Department officials. Their job involved exhuming the mass graves full of the victims of Saddam's regime. He told me they were on track to uncover a million bodies.
So, you talked to somebody who was digging up mass graves and he thought they'd eventually find a million bodies. Did I get that right? That's your source?
I'm not saying that you're lying or that he was lying, but how would you go from that to a million bodies?
I am wondering, though, why you ARE asking for those sources.
Well, I don't know about him, but to me it sounded like you were trying to use that factoid to justify our $2 trillion-and-counting war. And there's a reasonable chance that it isn't even a true factoid. My own thought is that whether or not it's true, it isn't much of a justification.
"Sure, we didn't do a very good job, but look over there! Somebody else did even worse, so that means we weren't so bad in comparison."
Dear Mr. Walt!
Please excuse me, if I have been brash with you. There is something about the old saying, that one can be tough against the ones one loves....And I have to live up to what's in my genes...being a Dane, probably the worlds least authoritarian people, and being a compatriot of Hans Christian Andersen, who wrote: "The Emperors New Clothes", one kind of have a responsibility to go after the authorities, and expose those emperors out there without any clothes. But I don't mean anything serious against you, whom I admire very much. It's just in my genes and nature, you know, to be contrarian to any authorities. And that is also why I speak out against Israel and its lobby.
I have previously critised Daniel Drezner and Joshua Keating, and you and Tom Ricks slightly, because to my mind you were too harsh on Iran. But whereas some of the former have very little credibility to begin with, Tom and particularly you have very much credit, so my criticism will (I am sure) not have any significant impact.
You and John Mearsheimer simply got so much credit after your exposure of The Israel Lobby's activities, that any criticism can do very little to diminish it.
Please take a look at my new template at Wikipedia about THE ISRAEL LOBBY , where you and John features prominently. Now we shall see how long it lasts, but actually I think it will stay. What it says is mostly correct, although I take the liberty as placing Stuart Levey in the category of individuals with affiliations to the Israel Lobby. Although there might not be any proof of it, what we have is 1) he is Jewish, 2) he is undersecretary (a favorite position for these types to vex influence (consider Paul Wolfovitz as 'Undersecretary of Defense') 3) his resort is nothing less than in charge of leading the combined efforts of the western world in 'containing' and sanctioning Iranian (Iran largely being considered as Israel's greatest strategic foe. Yes I know there have been co-operations in the past between the two countries, but after the end of the cold war, Israel needed a glue, that could tie it firmly to the US; and the new glue was Radical Islam, and thus Iran - ( see Trita Parsi: Treacherous Alliance, The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran and the U.S. )) businesses and 4) he have spoken to/ made reports to AEI, the American Enterprise Institution, one of most significant think-tanks associated with The Israel Lobby.
P.S: If you can give me an OK here, I will go ahead and simply upload the very nice picture to the left of you -- to Wikipedia, and I will write in the "permission'-section that you have given the permission, just like John Mearsheimer gave his, when his picture from his website got uploaded to Wikipedia. It will save us from a lot of emailing if you simply gave your permission here. Alternatively you could let a student of yorus do the uploading, because at it is, I think your entry at wikipedia are in need of an image of you
Unpatriotic perhaps
Unpatriotic perhaps, but I simply never felt that the surge deserved the widespread acclaim it got by 2009. If it hadn't been for multiple groups of insurgents deciding to switch sides those 30,000 could have been there for years and nothing would have been accomplished. However I'd like to caution Mr. Walt against assuming that Iraq's peace is definitely going to be destroyed. Kemal Mustafa Ataturk built modern Turkey out of the remains of the disgraced and dissolving Ottoman Empire and held it against the British-backed Greeks. Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin managed to seize power in Russia and hold it even when many of their own followers thought that the Communists lacked the power to hold such a large country against so many enemies. Admittedly both of these examples involved authoritarian figures without the presence of foreign soldiers, but in my opinion it shows that a strong enough figure can take hold of a chaotic situation.
The surge had two main goals.
The "ethnic cleansing" point only really applies to areas like Baghdad, where you did have significant population shifts and the creation of areas dominated almost exclusively by specific religious groups. It doesn't really apply to Anbar Province, which was heavily Sunni and extremely violent before the Surge.
Don't minimize the importance of the above, either. What the Surge provided, first and foremost, was Security and Order. Both are critical to any type of societal development, as well as the legitimacy of the state, since the foundation of all states is ultimately the provision of protection.
As it turns out, too, not having that security undermines a budding state in many cases.
I don't think they seriously expected all the accommodations to be made by the time the Surge ended, but it did have one good effect - it helped consolidate the central government in Baghdad (the Shiites, too, but that's another problem). The Sunnis complain over the short shrift given to the Awakening Fighters by the government, but they largely haven't gone to re-take arms against them. The Kurds are more threatening from a secessionist point of view, but they've steered clear of any overt attempt at separation.
Mookie Says Surge Rocked!
In fact, Mookie says Surge ran his intolerant, murderous assets right out of Dodge as Iraqis began prepping for this life instead of racing to the next.
old news
Check the date on the piece.
Iran will be the winner in this charade. Sorry, it is already.
Counting the dead
For Rick Brennen:
"Over one million Iraqis have met violent deaths as a result of the 2003 invasion, according to a study conducted by the prestigious British polling group, Opinion Research Business (ORB). These numbers suggest that the invasion and occupation of Iraq rivals the mass killings of the last century—the human toll exceeds the 800,000 to 900,000 believed killed in the Rwandan genocide in 1994, and is approaching the number (1.7 million) who died in Cambodia’s infamous “Killing Fields” during the Khmer Rouge era of the 1970s.
ORB’s research covered fifteen of Iraq’s eighteen provinces. Those not covered include two of Iraq’s more volatile regions—Kerbala and Anbar—and the northern province of Arbil, where local authorities refused them a permit to work. In face-to-face interviews with 2,414 adults, the poll found that more than one in five respondents had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, as opposed to natural cause.
Authors Joshua Holland and Michael Schwartz point out that the dominant narrative on Iraq—that most of the violence against Iraqis is being perpetrated by Iraqis themselves and is not our responsibility—is ill conceived. Interviewers from the Lancet report of October 2006 (Censored 2006, #2) asked Iraqi respondents how their loved ones died. Of deaths for which families were certain of the perpetrator, 56 percent were attributable to US forces or their allies. Schwartz suggests that if a low pro rata share of half the unattributed deaths were caused by US forces, a total of approximately 80 percent of Iraqi deaths are directly US perpetrated.
Even with the lower confirmed figures, by the end of 2006, an average of 5,000 Iraqis had been killed every month by US forces since the beginning of the occupation. However, the rate of fatalities in 2006 was twice as high as the overall average, meaning that the American average in 2006 was well over 10,000 per month, or over 300 Iraqis every day. With the surge that began in 2007, the current figure is likely even higher.
Schwartz points out that the logic to this carnage lies in a statistic released by the US military and reported by the Brookings Institute: for the first four years of the occupation the American military sent over 1,000 patrols each day into hostile neighborhoods, looking to capture or kill “insurgents” and “terrorists.” (Since February 2007, the number has increased to nearly 5,000 patrols a day, if we include the Iraqi troops participating in the American surge.) Each patrol invades an average of thirty Iraqi homes a day, with the mission to interrogate, arrest, or kill suspects. In this context, any fighting age man is not just a suspect, but a potentially lethal adversary. Our soldiers are told not to take any chances (see Story #9).
According to US military statistics, again reported by the Brookings Institute, these patrols currently result in just under 3,000 firefights every month, or just under an average of one hundred per day (not counting the additional twenty-five or so involving our Iraqi allies). Thousands of patrols result in thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths and unconscionably brutal detentions.
Iraqis’ attempts to escape the violence have resulted in a refugee crisis of mammoth proportion. According to the United Nations Refugee Agency and the International Organization for Migration, in 2007 almost 5 million Iraqis had been displaced by violence in their country, the vast majority of which had fled since 2003. Over 2.4 million vacated their homes for safer areas within Iraq, up to 1.5 million were living in Syria, and over 1 million refugees were inhabiting Jordan, Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, and Gulf States. Iraq’s refugees, increasing by an average of almost 100,000 every month, have no legal work options in most host states and provinces and are increasingly desperate."
Sources:
After Downing Street, July 6, 2007
Title: “Is the United States Killing 10,000 Iraqis Every Month? Or Is It More?”
Author: Michael Schwartz
AlterNet, September 17, 2007
Title: “Iraq death toll rivals Rwanda genocide, Cambodian killing fields”
Author: Joshua Holland
Reuters (via AlterNet), January 7, 2008
Title: “Iraq conflict has killed a million, says survey”
Author: Luke Baker
Inter Press Service, March 3, 2008
Title: “Iraq: Not our country to Return to”
Authors: Maki al-Nazzal and Dahr Jamail
No political reconciliation?
Dear Mr Walt (with some comments directed to Anti-Iraq-war folks in general),
You admit that the first goal of the surge was met. The second was to provide breathing space so that political reconciliation might occur.
Iraq has gone from having constant sectarian killings averaging in the 100s per night, down to almost none; civilian casualties in the thousands per month, to the low hundreds in the last few months.
The benchmarks repeatedly raised over and over again by anti-war types in the aftermath of the surge have seen tremendous progress. The peaceniks just couldn't understand a few months after the surge began -- when the nightly drilling of heads had barely stopped in Baghdad -- why political reconciliation had yet to take hold. I watched and cringed as anti-war folks continued to deny the obvious security improvements brought by the surge until finally, when attacks had dropped > 70%, they were forced to begrudgingly accept that the surge had not "made things worse" (as our beloved future-President Obama predicted at the time.) Admitting the success of the surge remains impossible, for that would mean admitting that all of the doom-and-gloom predictions were WRONG. So they started harping on the "complete" lack of progress on the political reconciliation front, despite the fact that it was OBVIOUS that some time would be needed after security improved for the reconciliation to begin. After all, the dismal security conditions were in large part (read: not completely) responsible for the need for that political reconciliation. So month after month I watched as they brushed aside the vast and heroic achievements of both our troops and the Iraqi patriots, complaining that a Jeffersonian democracy had yet to take hold, and that after all, the political benchmarks had not been met.
Well I am happy to report that the Brookings Institute has tracked the progress of those benchmarks:
"PROGRESS OF POLITICAL BENCHMARKS AGREED UPON BETWEEN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS OTHER SIGNIFICANT POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS
BENCHMARK SCORE
2009 Budget 1.0
Pension Law 1.0
Purging Extremists from Government 1.0
Provincial Powers Act 1.0
Provincial Election Legislation 1.0
Reformed De-Ba’athification Legislation 0.5
Amnesty Law 0.5
Distribution of Federal Funding to Provinces 0.5
Sons of Iraq Employment Program 0.0
Kirkuk Referendum/Resolution 0.0
Hydrocarbons Law 0.0
TOTAL 6.5/11 "
As you can see, they found significant progress on 8 of 11 benchmarks, with full success on 5 of them, giving Iraq a 6.5 out of a possible 11 as a final score. This hardly indicates a complete lack of political development.
Sorry, but the Iraq War is far from over. I hate to break it to you, but we've really yet to lose, I promise! On BOTH the security and political reconciliation fronts we have seen tremendous progress relative to the dark days of late 2006. We could not have hoped to achieve any level of reconciliation without a drop in violence. On the other hand, we could not expect a sustained overall drop in violence without longer-term political reconciliation. It is still a dangerous place, and it is Obama's responsibility to leave Iraq in a better manner than he found it.
All of our gains can be easily lost. And it's still possible that even a brilliantly planned and executed strategy could fail -- after all, we do not control all of the variables. But a defeatist attitude will get you one thing: defeat. At the moment to closest to victory since the war began, I'd expect to see people in the anti-Iraq-war movement start to come around. Fortunately, I have seen a few people willing to re-analyze their position in light of the dramatic turn of events. Unfortunately, it is few people.
I'm tired of being nearly alone on this: We screwed up the post-invasion period of Iraq. It took a tremendous effort of willpower by our leaders to double-down and commit to victory. The bravery of our troops, a more realistic attitude, the spirit of the Iraqi people, the darkness in the hearts of AQI and a bit of luck brought Iraq from the very edge of the abyss to a much better place. Things are still rough, but with determination, bravery and sacrifice we can leave the majority of Iraqi people in a better situation than we found them, and certainly a better situation than we would have left them in had the cacophony of defeat prevailed in 2004 or 2006. WE CAN WIN!
That's right.. Whatever happened to YES WE CAN???
All of our gains can be
All of our gains can be easily lost. And it's still possible that even a brilliantly planned and executed strategy could fail -- after all, we do not control all of the variables. But a defeatist attitude will get you one thing: defeat. At the moment to closest to victory since the war began, I'd expect to see people in the anti-Iraq-war movement start to come around.
You mean, now that we have just the right spin on it you want people to believe. But so much of the news out of iraq for so long turned out to be complete bullshit. Why would we start believing it now?
I'm tired of being nearly alone on this:
I guess it would be lonely.
We screwed up the post-invasion period of Iraq. It took a tremendous effort of willpower by our leaders to double-down and commit to victory.
I can see it. Say you're playing poker and you've lost $10,000. It takes a lot of willpower to double-down, to assume that you can come up with a new gambling system on the fly that will win back all your losses
WE CAN WIN!
For a moment there I thought I wanted some of what you're smoking. But then I remembered I have to drive soon and I need my judgement.
That's right.. Whatever happened to YES WE CAN???
I guess it dwindled away while we spent or committed $2 trillion+ to accomplish something that we couldn't actually do. Plus the deaths, but at least the american dead were volunteers.