Monday, August 3, 2009 - 4:24 PM
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John Bolton made an appearance on Jon Stewart's Daily Show a couple of days ago, and unwittingly reminded us how unrealistic most neoconservatives are. (Yes, I know Bolton has denied he's a neoconservative, but he embraces most of the core neoconservative positions and he certainly backed their pet projects like the invasion of Iraq).
Here's a key passage of the interview (hat tip to Steve Clemons for highlighting this portion):
John Bolton: The purpose of statesmanship is to look into the future, look at the risks and opportunities and try and shape developments to get us into the optimal situation. Looking at all these very dangerous scenarios, what it should argue to us is the continuing importance of the strategic reality in the world that we have to try and deal with.
Every country that gets nuclear weapons is an additional threat to our friends around the world.
Jon Stewart: Who -- and this is your final question -- maybe this is an easier one ... Who wouldn't you bomb?
John Bolton: There's not that much difference between me and the people who want a world where no government has nuclear weapons. There's not much difference. I only want one government to have nuclear weapons...
Jon Stewart: I know ... Switzerland! Uh ... hold on ...
John Bolton: You're sitting in it ... [the United States].
Now you might think this is tough-minded realism, at least at first glance. In a world where no agency or institution can protect states from each other, a hardnosed American realist should want the United States to be the only country with nuclear weapons. If great powers are primarily concerned with maximizing relative power (as my buddy John Mearsheimer argues), then of course they'd like a nuclear monopoly, right?
Not so fast. Bolton's position is actually decidedly unrealistic, for several reasons. First, surely he doesn't really think that every country that gets nuclear weapons threatens "our friends," because I haven't heard him complaining too much about India's arsenal, or Britain's, or Israel's. If Japan were to cross the nuclear threshold, would Bolton see that as an imminent threat? I doubt it.
Second, even if a nuclear monopoly might be desirable from a purely American perspective, realist theory tells you that other great powers aren’t going to accept that situation for very long. (In fact, our original monopoly lasted a grand total of 4 years). In other words, hoping for a permanent nuclear monopoly is about as unrealistic an expectation as one could possibly imagine. After all, if Americans think they need a sizeable nuclear arsenal to be secure -- even though we have the largest conventional forces, produce about 25 percent of the world's goods and services, and are insulated from many threats by two enormous oceanic moats--then surely at least a few other countries whose security positions are a bit more precarious are going to want them too. And the history of the nuclear age confirms that tendency, while also demonstrating that most states seem content to get along without them.
Third, like a lot of other neoconservatives, Bolton is obsessed with the possibility that Iran will someday get a nuclear weapons capability. Yet none of them has ever explained why that would be such a catastrophic development, for the obvious reason that Iran could not use any weapons it might one day get without inviting its own destruction. And if you can't use them, then you can't blackmail people, or do any of the other lurid things that threat mongers keep harping about.
More importantly, Bolton and others of his ilk don't seem to understand that threatening Iran with various bad things (including regime change) is the best way to convince them that they really do need a nuclear deterrent. Thinking that you can persuade Teheran not to go nuclear while pointing a gun at its head is not realistic. And as Tony Karon points out, if you want to unite Iran's competing factions and restive population, all you've got to do is impose harsher international sanctions. And if you want to guarantee that outcome, make a few military threats and then carry some of them out.
Fourth, trying to re-establish and preserve a nuclear monopoly would be very costly, and would have required the United States to fight a series of preventive wars. U.S. leaders thought seriously about preventive war against the Soviet Union in the early 1950s, and pondered it again when China was developing its own nuclear arsenal. We should all be grateful that cooler heads prevailed, because nuclear strikes or a conventional invasion of the Soviet Union or China would have been a disaster for the United States. We did invade Iraq in 2003 in order to end Saddam's WMD ambitions once and for all -- unaware that he'd already abandoned them -- and we all know how well that worked out.
Finally, Bolton's position assumes that power in the hands of the United States is always a force for good, and would never be misused. I like U.S. primacy myself, but its equally unrealistic to believe that the United States is incapable of abusing the vast power at its disposal. Realism also warns that those with unchecked power are often tempted to undertake ill-advised adventures, and I'm afraid I don't have quite the same confidence in American wisdom that I had when I was younger and more naïve.
Bolton's theory of "compellence" -- only we should have nukes and be able to boss everyone around (compel them to do what the US wants) is a recipe for disaster -- or rather, a recipe for terrorism.
Bolton's "might-is-right" will only invite asymmetric response from the people that will be dominated by US arms.
If US arms have not secured the peace in piddling 3-world sorry peasant nations like Afghanistan, how will they secure the peace for the US?
Bolton is an idiot and his theory _empirically_ false. Prof., you should post on something more worthwhile.
Military capability and National Goals
Bolton ought to read the Defense Science Board's recommendations for the incoming admin.:
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2008-11-Defense_Imperatives.pdf
In particular, page #1 -- right after the Table of Contents where it says:
"Our unmatched military capability alone is not sufficient for achieving national goals"
In fact, a viable argument could be made that, at times, it is a distinct impediment to achieving our national goals.
Bolton is fatuous.
Bolton's notion of returning to the days of a US nuclear monopoly is about as mind-numbingly stupid as your and Obama's strategy of a Sunni Arab coalition - empowered by Washington's turn against Israel - to encircle Iran and dissuade it from acquiring nuclear weapons, while an entirely separate Shi'ite coalition with NATO would suppress the radical Sunni Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan. As Spengler over at the Asia Times has called it, this was the worst-designed scheme concocted by a Western strategist since Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery attacked the bridges at Arnhem in 1944, and it has already blown up in Obama's face.
As Drezner recently points out in one of his postings, we all want free ponies; some unrealistic strategies are more costly than others, however.
Bolton's dreams of a return to a US nuclear monopoly are going to be far less costly and bloody than Obama's, and your's, foolish dreams disguised as realism.
A Nuclear armed Iran can (and likely will) be deterred -- all else is neocon/zionist fearmongering.
To deal properly with Iran, one must not overhype the threat but rather attempt to understand Iran's motivations, something that the National Defense University at Fort McNair has done.
The NDU study concluded that Iran desires nuclear weapons mainly because it feels strategically isolated and that "possession of such weapons would give the regime legitimacy, respectability, and protection." In other words, Iran desires nuclear weapons for the purpose of deterrence, just like every other nuclear-armed nation.
The NDU study continued, "[W]e judge, and nearly all experts consulted agree, that Iran would not, as a matter of state policy, give up its control of such weapons to terrorist organizations and risk direct U.S. or Israeli retribution." And it said the "United States has options short of war that it could employ to deter a nuclear-armed Iran and dissuade further proliferation."
Here is the study:
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/docUploaded/McNair70.pdf
Would help the cause of a nuclear-free middle east if the rogue nation of Israel got rid of its nukes before worrying about potential maybe kinda sorta nukes that the Iranians may or may not make.
So, do you like hang out on Walt's threads all day so you can 'get the neocon/zionist fearmongers'?
Frankly, it's kind of strange.
As in, mental health strange.
It may be hard for you to get your mind around right now, but the Jews really aren't the source of all the world's problems.
Really.
I am a Jew.
Try again.
Judaism has nothing to do with Zionism, except that the latter uses the former for its political and land-grabbing ends.
Since the early 20th century, Zionists have waged a relentless campaign to equate their political movement with the Jewish religion. They have largely succeeded; in the eyes of many, Zionism and Judaism are one and the same, and opposition to Zionism becomes opposition to Judaism. But that doesn't change the fact that the two are antithetical.
I am a Jew, and I know from my religious education that if the Jewish people are to attain the Holy Land, it will be through the Messiah, and not with guns. Jews are taught to heal the world ("tikkun olam"), not to displace families, create refugee camps, and practice collective punishment such as that used against Jews in the past.
So long as this confounding of Zionism with Judaism continues, it will sow anti-Semitism. But, in the end, anti-Semitism serves the Zionist ideology.
I did not post on the zionist fearmongering angle until YOU brought it up.
Why don't you address the content of the N.D.U. report instead of launching canards? A nuclear armed Iran can be deterred -- should Iran choose to make nuclear weapons. That is far from a foregone conclusion despite what zionist fearmongers state.
"...empowered by Washington's turn against Israel..."
riiight that's why we give the racist apartheid state of Israel $5billion /yr -- because we turned against it.
Whatever.
Depending on how events turn out over the next two years we may be looking at a rare situation where U.S foreign policy does change over Israel. Decades of support on the Palestinian issue is a long time even if it cost us nothing.
Bolton is not making a policy prescription, he is answering a flip question (basically the charge that Bolton is a warmonger delivered in a flip manner) in a flip way. To address this as if Bolton is making a serious policy recommendation that we pursue a path to getting every other country to forgo their nukes is attacking a giant strawman.
And it's not enough to attack Bolton's flip answer as "unrealistic", Walt tries to lump him in with "neoconservatives", despite the fact that he doesn't self-identify as one, in an attempt to discredit him and them at the same time with his strawman.
Does the latter tactic sound familiar? It should to anyone familiar with Walt's "Lobby" work. He does the same thing with that, labeling just about anyone and everyone he disagrees with as "the Lobby".
This is a (stupid) policy prescription (one that will solidify conservatives' support in Iran -- and not make a dent in Iran's nuclear aspirations):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203609204574316093622744808.html
"Striking Iran’s nuclear program will not be precipitous or poorly thought out. Israel’s attack, if it happens, will have followed enormously difficult deliberation over terrible imponderables, and years of patiently waiting on innumerable failed diplomatic efforts. Absent Israeli action, prepare for a nuclear Iran."
Great -- I am prepared for a nuclear Iran, especially if it will happen anyway, even with an Israeli attack.
The deterrent equation will finally be balanced in the middle east, instead of Israel bombing its neighbors every year: Lebanon, Syria and Gaza -- 3 attacks in 3 years. There may finally be peace in the middle east with an Iranian deterrent force.
I only have one point to add to that, the realization I gained from the Daily Show that Mr. Bolton is just as much an idealist as anyone else. The only possible world where only one state holds nuclear weapons is one where that same state is in control of the entire world and holds the ultimate monopoly on violence. He is effectively suggesting the creation of a world government, whether he realizes it or not.
John von Neumann, the inventor of game-theory, thought we should pre-emptively nuke the Soviet Union. Dr. Strangelove is based on him.
Finally, Bolton's position assumes that power in the hands of the United States is always a force for good, and would never be misused. I like U.S. primacy myself, but its equally unrealistic to believe that the United States is incapable of abusing the vast power at its disposal. Realism also warns that those with unchecked power are often tempted to undertake ill-advised adventures, and I'm afraid I don't have quite the same confidence in American wisdom that I had when I was younger and more naïve.
So what is the verdict here?
Is the "I like U.S. primacy myself..." just a CYA, thrown in there so people don't call you on advocating a weaker U.S., which it appears you are doing in any event?
How is your position on this materially different than Bolton's?
The neocon's last weapon: you are advocating for a weaker US.
Let's see what the government/defense dept. has to say on the matter:
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2008-11-Defense_Imperatives.pdf
Read, in particular, page #1 -- right after the Table of Contents where it says:
"Our unmatched military capability alone is not sufficient for achieving national goals"
In fact, a smaller military may serve US goals much better because we may actually *think* before bombing.
Call me a anti-patriot if you like, but here is what the founding fathers (James Madison) had to say on war and on our overgrown military:
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.
In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people.... [There is also an] inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and ... degeneracy of manners and of morals.... No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
It is un-American to advocate for a big military -- especially when it carries out offensive "pre-emptive" wars. You are the traitor to American values.
The neocon's last weapon: you are advocating for a weaker US.
Excuse me, but what you and Walt are demonstrating to this card carrying liberal is "The Lefty's last weapon - those you disagree with, accuse them of being neocons" :-).
If Walt is not advocating for a weaker U.S., then why attack Bolton as unrealistic for wishing for a stronger U.S.?
If by stronger you mean we have more nukes, you and I don't agree on what "stronger" means.
The stronger nation can influence without resort to arms -- all our arms have not made us any stronger than the Taliban...a rag-tag army of dimwits in a peasant land. In fact we are weaker than the Taliban -- we are losing in Afghanistan. Some good being stronger did.
Stronger (as you define it) is not necessarily better.
Stronger (as I define it) also means using our brains and diplomatic skills -- and knowing when not to use arms.
Prof.,
you say "Third, like a lot of other neoconservatives, Bolton is obsessed with the possibility that Iran will someday get a nuclear weapons capability. Yet none of them has ever explained why that would be such a catastrophic development, for the obvious reason that Iran could not use any weapons it might one day get without inviting its own destruction. And if you can't use them, then you can't blackmail people, or do any of the other lurid things that threat mongers keep harping about."
Neocons don't want peaceful deterrence with Iran -- they want to be able to compel Iran (and anyone else) to do what they want without Iran having any recourse.
Only ignorant neocon talking-heads think Iran will bomb Israel -- all serious analysts disagree. (eg. the NDU report above).
Anyway what Iran does or does not do to Israel (or vice-versa) is not my (a US citizen's) problem. Why does Bolton care about Israel so much?
Bolton is really cinic or simply dumb
The American Enterprise Institute foreign policy analists are just hillarious, do the really believe everything they say? This scholars-wannabes do not, I think, even think on what thet say, or is it that the salary they pay there is so good?
Bolton's credibility shot to hell years ago.
It is only in the US that a person like Bolton would have any credibility at all. He is well passed his use-by-date and the fact that he firstly appeared on TV and then warranted so many words in this column is beyond me.
He is nothing more than an evil reminder of an era commanded by a pathetic President and it is only in those environments can people like Bolton survive. Talent and rational thinking are not in his portfolio, just arrogance.
I classify him as almost as bad as Cheney and that is indeed saying a lot.
One shouldn't justify his existence by commenting further
The real fiction is that because it cannot be confirmed that Iran’s program is only for peaceful purposes, it must therefore be working towards a bomb.
This is untrue.
Iran is likely working towards a nuclear weapons capability, without building a bomb.
Having the capacity to build a nuclear weapon is not the same thing as having one, and having a large stock of low-enriched uranium is not the same as having the highly enriched uranium necessary for a bomb.
News reports and some commentators have recently claimed that Iran has enough material for a nuclear weapon. These reports referred to Iran’s stock of low-enriched uranium. This is a misleading claim. To begin with, one cannot make a nuclear weapon with low-enriched uranium. A nuclear weapon requires highly enriched uranium or plutonium, and Iran possesses neither. In theory, Iran could take its stock of low-enriched uranium and enrich it to a grade required for making bombs, but its low-enriched uranium is currently under the surveillance of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Diverting this material for military purposes would be discovered by the IAEA. (Detection of diversion is the IAEA’s technological strong suit.) Iran’s choices, therefore, are to cheat and get caught or to kick out the inspectors. Either action would represent an extreme departure from Iranian strategy to date and in any case would likely precipitate military action by Israel.
Even, in the worst case, if Iran were to obtain nukes, it would use them for deterrence, and could be contained. (see the NDU report above)
I had posted this on the previous thread by mistake.
Yet none of them has ever explained why that would be such a catastrophic development, for the obvious reason that Iran could not use any weapons it might one day get without inviting its own destruction. And if you can't use them, then you can't blackmail people, or do any of the other lurid things that threat mongers keep harping about.
1. If Iran did nuke Tel Aviv, how should Israel respond? Should it launch one nuke back into Tehran so as to be "proportional"? Should it nuke the entire country so no further nukes could be launched? I don't think anyone has actually thought of what the response to a nuclear attack on Israel would be. German intelligence has discovered that Iran never stopped its nuclear weapons program.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124803669414063037.html
How many anti-Israeli people would say the Israelis would be committing genocide if they fired back and were as bad as the Nazis? I would bet that almost all of your anti-Israel commenters would suggest that after Israel gets nuked it only has itself to blame because of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
3. Not that Professor Walt or any of the other commenters here who want to see Israel destroyed would care, but roughly 25 percent of Israeli population would be scared into considering emigrating if Iran had the bomb.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1087342.html
This would be a catastrophe for Israel.
4. What if the bomb was smuggled into the country by one of Israel's enemies and the Israelis could not for certain say it was the Iranians (perhaps the North Koreans or a loose former soviet nuke)? How should Israel respond then? Should it nuke Iran in retaliation?
5. Isn't nuclear blackmail exactly what North Korea is doing to the West? North Korea uses their Nuclear weapons to force the West to give them billions in food aid. Explain why North Korea can blackmail the West, but Iran could not?
6. Allowing Iran to obtain nuclear weapons just signals to the world that there will be no consequences for building a bomb. It was just reported that the leaders of the Burmese military junta have been building a plutonium reactor with North Korean help.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/revealed-burma8217s-nuclear-bombshell/2009/07/31/1248977200181.html
Would you be fine with most countries in the world having nuclear weapons as they could be deterred by M.A.D.? If not why not?
More importantly, Bolton and others of his ilk don't seem to understand that threatening Iran with various bad things (including regime change) is the best way to convince them that they really do need a nuclear deterrent. Thinking that you can persuade Teheran not to go nuclear while pointing a gun at its head is not realistic. And as Tony Karon points out, if you want to unite Iran's competing factions and restive population, all you've got to do is impose harsher international sanctions. And if you want to guarantee that outcome, make a few military threats and then carry some of them out.
For a realist, you sometimes seem to live in fantasy land. Iran has already decided to build a nuclear weapon. Either we stop them or we don't, but I am astounded you are so naive as to think anything we do will convince them to make one when they have already made that decision.
What is your solution to stopping Iran from getting the bomb. Oh that's right, you don't have one because you don't care if they get it.
What Has Israel done for me Lately?
1.
Why should I, an American, care what happens to Tel Aviv -- the capital of a racist Apartheid state, that carries out state-sponsored terrorism against civilians?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
2.
Iran is likely working towards a nuclear weapons capability, without building a bomb.
Having the capacity to build a nuclear weapon is not the same thing as having one, and having a large stock of low-enriched uranium is not the same as having the highly enriched uranium necessary for a bomb.
News reports and some commentators have recently claimed that Iran has enough material for a nuclear weapon. These reports referred to Iran’s stock of low-enriched uranium. This is a misleading claim. To begin with, one cannot make a nuclear weapon with low-enriched uranium. A nuclear weapon requires highly enriched uranium or plutonium, and Iran possesses neither. In theory, Iran could take its stock of low-enriched uranium and enrich it to a grade required for making bombs, but its low-enriched uranium is currently under the surveillance of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Diverting this material for military purposes would be discovered by the IAEA. (Detection of diversion is the IAEA’s technological strong suit.) Iran’s choices, therefore, are to cheat and get caught or to kick out the inspectors. Either action would represent an extreme departure from Iranian strategy to date and in any case would likely precipitate military action by Israel.
3.
Even, in the worst case, if Iran were to obtain nukes, it would use them for deterrence, and could be contained. (see the NDU report above)
"...roughly 25 percent of Israeli population would be scared into considering emigrating if Iran had the bomb.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1087342.html
This would be a catastrophe for Israel."
Great news! Fantastic! You're saying it will undo the already failed zionist experiment? Excellent.
Now I really hope Iran is working towards a bomb and not just the capability to make a bomb.
"....Allowing Iran to obtain nuclear weapons just signals to the world that there will be no consequences for building a bomb."
No consequences? You mean like when Israel stole US secrets and material to make their bomb? Yeah, it got a pat on the back and wink.
Asinine posters on this site.
"....Iran has already decided to build a nuclear weapon..."
False. All serious analysts conclude that it may be working towards a capability to make a bomb.
If the threats from Israel continue, Iran will likely try to make one -- a perfectly rational step to stop the regional bully, Israel.
A Nuclear armed Iran can (and likely will) be deterred -- all else is neocon/zionist fearmongering.
To deal properly with Iran, one must not overhype the threat but rather attempt to understand Iran's motivations, something that the National Defense University at Fort McNair has done.
The N.D.U. study concluded that Iran desires nuclear weapons mainly because it feels strategically isolated and that "possession of such weapons would give the regime legitimacy, respectability, and protection." In other words, Iran desires nuclear weapons for the purpose of deterrence, just like every other nuclear-armed nation.
The NDU study continued, "[W]e judge, and nearly all experts consulted agree, that Iran would not, as a matter of state policy, give up its control of such weapons to terrorist organizations and risk direct U.S. or Israeli retribution." And it said the "United States has options short of war that it could employ to deter a nuclear-armed Iran and dissuade further proliferation."
Here is the study -- READ IT:
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/docUploaded/McNair70.pdf
Would help the cause of a nuclear-free middle east if the rogue nation of Israel got rid of its nukes before worrying about potential maybe kinda sorta nukes that the Iranians may or may not make.
The N.D.U. study concluded that Iran desires nuclear weapons mainly because it feels strategically isolated and that "possession of such weapons would give the regime legitimacy, respectability, and protection."
if the NDU has concluded that iran wants nuke weapons, on what basis has it come to that conclusion?
Until 2003 there was some evidence that Iran desires nukes.
Since then the evidence is mixed, and the NIE states the Iranian weapons program was halted. That is why the vast majority of experts agree that Iran desires the _capability_ to make a bomb.
In December 2007, the intelligence community published the key findings of a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran that concluded with “high confidence” that “Iranian military entities were working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons” but “in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.”
The NIE defined what is commonly called “weaponization” as becoming proficient in the actual construction of a nuclear weapon, assuming that enough nuclear explosive material is already available. The same report judged with “moderate confidence” that the “earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009, but that this is very unlikely,” and it “probably would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon sometime during the 2010?2015 time frame.”
The report also assessed with “high confidence” that “Iran has the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons if it decides to do so.”
IF IF IF.....
see eg:
http://www.isisnucleariran.org/assets/pdf/Iran_paper_final_2.pdf
"The 2007 National Intelligence Estimate reports that the government of Iran was secretly working on the design and manufacture of a nuclear warhead until at least 2003 and that Iran could have enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon as early as late 2009."
Exaggerations: The NIE never presented any hard evidence that Iran was actually involved in the design of a nuclear warhead before 2003.
Even if Iran was working on the problem before 2003, it was only at the design stage, as Iran had no highly enriched uranium to manufacture a nuclear warhead. In fact, it will not have highly enriched uranium any time soon, if ever.
As for manufacturing a bomb, there must first be an intention, but the IAEA has certified time and again that there is no evidence for such a goal. At the same time, 2009 is a worst-case scenario pushed by Israel. Most estimates, including the NIE's, are from 2010-2015. But, most importantly, Iran cannot use its present facility to produce highly enriched uranium, unless it leaves the NPT and expels the IAEA inspectors. Iran has said repeatedly that it has no intention of leaving the NPT.
Deconstructing the Anti-Iran Resolutions antiwar.com
there was no evidence of an iranian weapons program before 2003.
and there's none now.
and then there's the laptop from hell...
What was the source of the new "information" and "data" that Heinonen was talking about? A laptop that had been purportedly stolen in Iran, taken out of the country, and made available to Western intelligence agencies in Turkey. Iran's MEK has been given credit for the theft.
But the existence of the laptop has been known since 2004. The first time there was any indirect reference to it was on Nov. 17, 2004, when, in a conversation with reporters, then-U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell briefly referred to "new, missile-related" intelligence on Iran.
Shortly thereafter, articles were published in the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and the New York Times about the laptop they claimed contained the "smoking gun" for Iran's (nonexistent) nuclear weapon program. Journalist Gareth Porter cited reports that the laptop had been given to the MEK by Israel.
My own information indicates that, because the MEK is completely discredited in Iran, Israel's first preference was for the laptop to be publicized by Iran's monarchist opposition groups (which are supported by Iranian Jews in the U.S. and Europe), but that they had refused to go along (some of the most senior statesmen among the Iranian monarchists actually support Iran's nuclear program).
Iran, the IAEA, and the Laptop antiwar.com
the point of all this being...
...if the "evidence" is so vague that the UN inspectors cant zero in on the offending facility, how are airstrikes supposed to pinpoint that facility?
...or is this whole project being run by a secret cabal of deathwish christian psychohistorians who'd like nothing better than to see all of iran blown to smithereens in the first act of the deathwish christian end times?
Very uncomfortable position defending John Bolton....
but you have to pretty thick to believe John Bolton was seriously advocating the US should be the sole nuclear power. I saw the episode and he was making nothing more than a flippant remark, on an entertainment show.
Mr. Walt posits a very extreme naive belief that a nuclear Iran poses no threat because it would be suicidal for them to launch a 1rst strike.
The threat of a nuclear Iran is not that they will launch a 1rst strike. The first problem a nuclear Iran presents is that they will operate under a nuclear umbrella becoming even more aggressive than they already are. This greatly raises the stakes in any future conflict where the US may get drawn in defending a party from Iranian aggression because the US will want to avoid a nuclear confrontation. If Iran believes that the US is reluctant to act or worse that the US will decide not to act this can make Iran even more aggressive.
The second problem is that a nuclear Iran is already making many countries in the region consider going nuclear. Jordan, Egypt and Saudia Arabia have all greatly accelerated their own 'peaceful' nuclear development. None of these 3 countries can in any way be seen as stable. All 3 of these countries are run by a family instituted regime. Egypt is run by Mubarak. Jordan is Ruled by Hussein, and Saudia Arabia is run by the family Saud.
All 3 have serious problems with Islamic extremists. It is in no way inconceivable that in next few decades these countries could 1rst go nuclear as 'allies' of the US and then the regimes subsequently fall to extremists. You know sort of like what is happening now in Pakistan.
The threat of a nuclear Iran is that you will have a regional arms race in one of the most unstable regions of the world, and one which the US is wholly dependent on for world energy and stability.
what country in the middle east...
...has been instrumental in lying america into two wars, is attempting to lie america into more wars, and is itself engaged in terror, lies and injustice to defend itself after founding itself in terror, lies and injustice?
which country has got itself into such a pickle that some of its inhabitants are saying that all jews ---not just israelis, but all jews--- should abandon their morals to defend that country?
when will you start asking yourself, not "is it good for the jews?" ...not "is it good for israel?", but the real question: "is israel good for the jews?"
what are the chances of israel's survival...
...once the world, led by israel's example, abandons its morals and decides to live by the law of the jungle?
how far does "might makes right" go when your protector's gone tits up from oil shortages and looters, 70% of your population will be wiped out by sea level rise, and your only recourse is nuking so many people that the holocaust will look like a stroll in the park?
A Nuclear armed Iran can (and likely will) be deterred -- all else is neocon/zionist fearmongering.
To deal properly with Iran, one must not overhype the threat but rather attempt to understand Iran's motivations, something that the National Defense University at Fort McNair has done.
The N.D.U. study concluded that Iran desires nuclear weapons mainly because it feels strategically isolated and that "possession of such weapons would give the regime legitimacy, respectability, and protection." In other words, Iran desires nuclear weapons for the purpose of deterrence, just like every other nuclear-armed nation.
The NDU study continued, "[W]e judge, and nearly all experts consulted agree, that Iran would not, as a matter of state policy, give up its control of such weapons to terrorist organizations and risk direct U.S. or Israeli retribution." And it said the "United States has options short of war that it could employ to deter a nuclear-armed Iran and dissuade further proliferation."
Here is the study -- READ IT:
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/docUploaded/McNair70.pdf
Would help the cause of a nuclear-free middle east if the rogue nation of Israel got rid of its nukes before worrying about potential maybe kinda sorta nukes that the Iranians may or may not make.
IAEA Head: no evidence Iran seeks nukes
VIENNA (Reuters Fri Jul 3, 2009 ) - The incoming head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said on Friday he did not see any hard evidence Iran was trying to gain the ability to develop nuclear arms.
"I don't see any evidence in IAEA official documents about this," Yukiya Amano told Reuters in his first direct comment on Iran's atomic program since his election, when asked whether he believed Tehran was seeking nuclear weapons capability.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL312024420090703
I saw the episode and he was making nothing more than a flippant remark, on an entertainment show.
I said the same thing. A tenured Harvard professor makes a serious post attacking a non-argument. Walt recently bemoaned the fact that not more tenured profs turn to activism. You can see his thought process by his little musings. He has tenure, and now feels free to make these specious ad hominem attacks in an attempt to push his politics.
He does Harvard no credit though.
Mr. Walt posits a very extreme naive belief that a nuclear Iran poses no threat because it would be suicidal for them to launch a 1rst strike.
Because this isn't serious analysis. Walt has transformed from academic to polemicist.
Jewish member of Parliament on Israeli War Crimes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
none of it withstands the light of day...
...so we all crawled off into places where the light doesnt go.
count the internal combustion engines.
Recognize the difference between policy and fancy
I'm sure a number of people would disagree with me on this, but it's time to cut back on the Bolton-bashing. The way you've written this article is as though you're responding to a Bolton policy position. During this interview, he's certainly not outlining a desire for a plan to remove the nuclear weapons of every other nuclear power in the world -- I think it's plain to see that Bolton here was clearly expressing an abstract desire for a world in which only America had nuclear weapons, which most assuredly is a realist fantasy if ever I've seen one.
My conviction he doesn't expect, or even want, America to actively pursue the abolition of non-American nukes is I think reinforced by a talk I heard him give at AEI in December 2008 (transcripts available at aei.org), where he stated a nuclear Iran was not a contingency to be avoided but an impending reality that must be confronted. That sounds pretty realistic to me.
No need to Bolton-bash: he does that well enough himself.
Question is: Why should America care about Israel?
iran, a threat to israeli american/AEI ambitions of...
benevolent global hegemony...
how many millions will our benevolence kill?
...since billions will starve to death, anyhow.
so, burdensome as it is, we have to accept the fact....
...that we're god, and we will have to choose which billions will die.
good enough.
is for girly men.
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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