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It's good to be back....

I had a very pleasant R & R -- thank you -- and I'm grateful to Justin Logan for filling in with such clear and well-argued pieces on unipolarity and Iran's nuclear program. I would only add that I'm a big fan of the work that Bill Wohlforth and Steve Brooks have done in recent years, despite my various disagreements with some of what they've written, and I'm glad that Justin put their work up in bright lights.
I managed to avoid the Internet almost entirely while I was away, and even skipped the New York Times most days. So I'm playing catch-up on the week’s events, and have only a few thoughts on recent developments.
On North Korea: The freeing of the two journalists strikes me was a clear case of pragmatic realism in action, and President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton deserve points for their calm, clear-eyed approach to a vexing but ultimately not-very significant problem. They achieved the U.S. goal -- getting the two women out -- and Kim Jong Il got a photo op but nothing more. Even getting a former president to drop in isn't all that significant these days, because North Korea has welcomed former presidents before. True, North Korea got Bill to visit without having to pay his normally whopping speaker's fee, but they also didn't get a speech. Indeed, the fact that they seem to place so much value on a brief drop-in by an ex-president reveals a lot about the regime's pathetic need for attention. As for the former president, he deserves credit for staying on message and not grandstanding while he was there, though the real work was almost certainly done behind-the-scenes and he didn't have to do any actual negotiating.
In the end, the whole business was not that big a deal (except for the two journalists and their families, of course), and I think it confirms the value of not over-reacting every time Pyongyang does something annoying. Being annoying is its only diplomatic asset these days, but our best course is to treat them as a minor irritant and reserve most of our attention for more important problems. And it's probably good for Hillary if Bill has something constructive to do every now and then.
So props all around, and I would love to hear how conservative critics of the administration's handling of the problem would explain their positions to the journalists or their families.
On Afghanistan: The Times reports today that the Obama administration is still trying to come up with suitable "benchmarks" to measure progress in Afghanistan. Taking time to develop meaningful yardsticks for success or failure is a good idea in theory, but such measures are usually elusive in the context of counterinsurgency warfare. Body counts are a terrible measure, for example, because rising counts may simply reflect greater insurgent activity (and recruitment), and signs of diminished insurgent activity may simply mean that they are lying low. Testimony from civilians is also suspect, because they have obvious incentives to tell whoever is currently in charge of their village or region whatever they think the occupier wants to hear. Remember what a South Vietnamese general told a U.S. official back in the 1960s, in reference to the late Robert McNamara: "Ah, les statistiques! Your Secretary of Defense loves statistics. We Vietnamese can give him all he wants. If you want them to go up, they will go up. If you want them to go down, they will go down."
More broadly, the fact that Obama's team is having a tough time devising good measures is another sign that we don't really know what we are doing there. And I mean that in two senses: 1) what are we trying to accomplish, and 2) what ARE we doing there? I'd also remind everyone that the Bush administration spent a lot of time laying out various "benchmarks" in Iraq, and then focused primarily on the ones where there was progress.
Via Matt Yglesias (linking to Mark Kleiman), we've also learned that the U.S. expenditures on Afghanistan are now more than five times greater than the country's entire annual GDP. That allocation of resources might make sense if we were trying to corner the opium market and sell it ourselves, but otherwise, it suggests that we aren't thinking very clearly about our strategic priorities. It was reasonable to spend a lot of money deterring Soviet expansion in Europe during the Cold War, and one can make a similar case for spending money to preserve a balance of power in the Persian Gulf, because Europe was a "key center of industrial power" and oil is the lifeblood on which the world economy runs. But spending five times more than it would cost to buy up everything a country produces (and committing the U.S. to do so for many years to come), is like putting an elaborate burgler alarm on a tar-paper shack, and then hiring an expensive security service to guard it for the next decade. Not smart.
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I agree that Afghanistan is a
I agree that Afghanistan is a black hole. But if we leave, and the Taliban take over the country, and use it as a base to plan another terror attack, then what do we do? Bomb Kabul? We need to figure out a way to empower the current government to fight them on their own with our logistical help.
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Can anyone else not post comments on the previous post?
Killing muslims is helping
Killing muslims is helping the cause of the taliban and AQ.
In any case, if you had kept up with the news, AQ has moved on to East Africa.
Really.
According to your logic we should bomb the whole world as some muslim somewhere may eventually plot to bomb the US.
I agree that Afghanistan is a
I agree that Afghanistan is a black hole. But if we leave, and the Taliban take over the country, and use it as a base to plan another terror attack, then what do we do?
Is afghanistan really a better base for terrorist attacks than mali? Chad? Zimbabwe? Patagonia? Burma? Madagascar?
If we want to prevent terrorist "bases" in third world countries, won't we need to invade sand occupy every third-world hellhole?
Unless we only want to protect the world from arab terrorists. In that case it's enough to invade and occupy every arab third-world hellhole.
But does it make sense that only arabs make good terrorists? We concentrate on arabs because 9/11 was arabs and also the zionist lobby cares about arabs. But really anybody could learn this stuff. If we have to prevent terrorist bases we'll have to prevent them everywhere.
CIA station chief says to get out of Af/Pak
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/graham-e-fuller/global-viewpoint-obamas-p_b_201355.html
Former CIA station chief in Kabul and author of The Future of Political Islam
Posted: May 10, 2009 03:41 PM
Obama's Policies Making Situation Worse in Afghanistan and Pakistan
For all the talk of "smart power," President Obama is pressing down the same path of failure in Pakistan marked out by George Bush. The realities suggest need for drastic revision of U.S. strategic thinking.
-- Military force will not win the day in either Afghanistan or Pakistan; crises have only grown worse under the U.S. military footprint.
-- The Taliban represent zealous and largely ignorant mountain Islamists. They are also all ethnic Pashtuns. Most Pashtuns see the Taliban -- like them or not -- as the primary vehicle for restoration of Pashtun power in Afghanistan, lost in 2001. Pashtuns are also among the most fiercely nationalist, tribalized and xenophobic peoples of the world, united only against the foreign invader. In the end, the Taliban are probably more Pashtun than they are Islamist.
-- It is a fantasy to think of ever sealing the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The "Durand Line" is an arbitrary imperial line drawn through Pashtun tribes on both sides of the border. And there are twice as many Pashtuns in Pakistan as there are in Afghanistan. The struggle of 13 million Afghan Pashtuns has already inflamed Pakistan's 28 million Pashtuns.
-- India is the primary geopolitical threat to Pakistan, not Afghanistan. Pakistan must therefore always maintain Afghanistan as a friendly state. India furthermore is intent upon gaining a serious foothold in Afghanistan -- in the intelligence, economic and political arenas -- that chills Islamabad.
-- Pakistan will therefore never rupture ties or abandon the Pashtuns, in either country, whether radical Islamist or not. Pakistan can never afford to have Pashtuns hostile to Islamabad in control of Kabul, or at home.
-- Occupation everywhere creates hatred, as the U.S. is learning. Yet Pashtuns remarkably have not been part of the jihadi movement at the international level, although many are indeed quick to ally themselves at home with al-Qaida against the U.S. military.
-- The U.S. had every reason to strike back at the al-Qaida presence in Afghanistan after the outrage of 9/11. The Taliban were furthermore poster children for an incompetent and harsh regime. But the Taliban retreated from, rather than lost, the war in 2001, in order to fight another day. Indeed, one can debate whether it might have been possible -- with sustained pressure from Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and almost all other Muslim countries that viewed the Taliban as primitives -- to force the Taliban to yield up al-Qaida over time without war. That debate is in any case now moot. But the consequences of that war are baleful, debilitating and still spreading.
-- The situation in Pakistan has gone from bad to worse as a direct consequence of the U.S. war raging on the Afghan border. U.S. policy has now carried the Afghan war over the border into Pakistan with its incursions, drone bombings and assassinations -- the classic response to a failure to deal with insurgency in one country. Remember the invasion of Cambodia to save Vietnam?
-- The deeply entrenched Islamic and tribal character of Pashtun rule in the Northwest Frontier Province in Pakistan will not be transformed by invasion or war. The task requires probably several generations to start to change the deeply embedded social and psychological character of the area. War induces visceral and atavistic response.
-- Pakistan is indeed now beginning to crack under the relentless pressure directly exerted by the U.S. Anti-American impulses in Pakistan are at high pitch, strengthening Islamic radicalism and forcing reluctant acquiescence to it even by non-Islamists.
Only the withdrawal of American and NATO boots on the ground will begin to allow the process of near-frantic emotions to subside within Pakistan, and for the region to start to cool down. Pakistan is experienced in governance and is well able to deal with its own Islamists and tribalists under normal circumstances; until recently, Pakistani Islamists had one of the lowest rates of electoral success in the Muslim world.
But U.S. policies have now driven local nationalism, xenophobia and Islamism to combined fever pitch. As Washington demands that Pakistan redeem failed American policies in Afghanistan, Islamabad can no longer manage its domestic crisis.
The Pakistani army is more than capable of maintaining state power against tribal militias and to defend its own nukes. Only a convulsive nationalist revolutionary spirit could change that -- something most Pakistanis do not want. But Washington can still succeed in destabilizing Pakistan if it perpetuates its present hard-line strategies. A new chapter of military rule -- not what Pakistan needs -- will be the likely result, and even then Islamabad's basic policies will not change, except at the cosmetic level.
In the end, only moderate Islamists themselves can prevail over the radicals whose main source of legitimacy comes from inciting popular resistance against the external invader. Sadly, U.S. forces and Islamist radicals are now approaching a state of co-dependency.
It would be heartening to see a solid working democracy established in Afghanistan. Or widespread female rights and education -- areas where Soviet occupation ironically did rather well. But these changes are not going to happen even within one generation, given the history of social and economic devastation of the country over 30 years.
Al-Qaida's threat no longer emanates from the caves of the borderlands, but from its symbolism that has long since metastasized to other activists of the Muslim world. Meanwhile, the Pashtuns will fight on for a major national voice in Afghanistan. But few Pashtuns on either side of the border will long maintain a radical and international jihadi perspective once the incitement of the U.S. presence is gone. Nobody on either side of the border really wants it.
What can be done must be consonant with the political culture. Let non-military and neutral international organizations, free of geopolitical taint, take over the binding of Afghan wounds and the building of state structures.
If the past eight years had shown ongoing success, perhaps an alternative case for U.S. policies could be made. But the evidence on the ground demonstrates only continued deterioration and darkening of the prognosis. Will we have more of the same? Or will there be a U.S. recognition that the American presence has now become more the problem than the solution? We do not hear that debate.
(C) 2009 GLOBAL VIEWPOINT NETWORK; (TM) TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.
Graham E. Fuller is a former CIA station chief in Kabul and a former vice-chair of the CIA's National Intelligence Council. He is author of numerous books on the Middle East, including The Future of Political Islam.
It seems kind of silly to
It seems kind of silly to post the copyright notice when you're violating their copyright by posting the entire piece, don't you think?
hope you had a good time
meanwhile i'm sure happy my one man daily newspaper is back on duty!
That allocation of resources
More's the pity, since there's a worldwide shortage in Opiates, and (let's be honest) Afghanistan really has nothing else going for it in terms of economic advantage if things stabilize other than tourism and possibly extracting rent off a pipeline through their country.
What the US government ought to do is simply buy up the whole opium crop, then re-sell it to manufacturers of opiate-based products. See if we can completely cut other middlemen in the opiate trade, and buy ourselves some good will in the process.
A more rational border would probably split off the Pashtun south from Afghanistan and lump it with the Pashtuns in Pakistan's NWFP, which would leave the northerners in charge of a smaller "rump" state.
Of course, that's probably impossible at this time, largely because the Afghans seem to have developed some degree of nationalism.
Aside from their candidate winning the Presidency before Musharraf toppled him?
In tort law (and other areas)
In tort law (and other areas) there's a notion 'assumption of risk'. It's a fairly straightforward concept. I would say for journalists or tourists (and their families) who decide to venture into North Korea or Iran that your actions fall under this concept, and we will not pay ransom, political, monetary, or otherwise to secure their release. What will leftist supporters of this policy tell the families of the next people who get snatched by these regimes? Do you think Obama's handling of the Saberi hostage situation encouraged or discouraged Iran from recently taking the 3 American tourists hostage? What should supporters like yourself tell their families?
As for Afghanistan; it's a mess, and the problem is the left is so invested in the notion that Afghanistan is the 'good war' that would have been so easy if we hadn't 'taken our eyes off the ball' by going into Iraq, we may end up getting stuck in a real quagmire for a decade or more.
As for Afghanistan; it's a
As for Afghanistan; it's a mess, and the problem is the left is so invested in the notion that Afghanistan is the 'good war' that would have been so easy if we hadn't 'taken our eyes off the ball' by going into Iraq, we may end up getting stuck in a real quagmire for a decade or more.
Probably we should have pulled out of aghanistan about the time we were moving into iraq. But Bush kind of forgot about it....
It isn't true that "the left" is all invested in your notion. They're pretty much mixed. It should be possible to get a coalition of part of the left and all of the right to get us out of there in much less than another decade. I hope. We can count on all the right to agree that the afghan war is a bad idea that should be abandoned, right?
I would say for journalists
I would say for journalists or tourists (and their families) who decide to venture into North Korea or Iran that your actions fall under this concept, and we will not pay ransom, political, monetary, or otherwise to secure their release. What will leftist supporters of this policy tell the families of the next people who get snatched by these regimes?
I don't feel like a leftist but I have the idea you'd give me that label.
I say it's a complicated issue. On the one hand, if we send spies into dangerous places and the spies pretend they're tourists and then they get caught, we have some kind of obligation to them. We want them back.
But if we bargain for our spies but we leave the actual tourists and journalists to rot, that tells the enemy which ones are spies if they weren't sure. That isn't good either.
We could eliminate this problem if we never sent in spies posing as tourists or journalists. Or maybe we could hire british or canadian or australian spies to pose as tourists and journalists. Then if they get caught it isn't our problem. We can reward britain etc to do something about it, but we don't have an excuse to officially intervene.
It probably wouldn't be a good idea to grab some iranians in the USA and offer to trade. Iranian politics is pretty murky, you can't tell the players without a scorecard. We might accidentally grab people they want to get back for execution. Or people they're happier to have in US custody than running around loose.
I don't see any good general solutions. But it isn't going to be a whole lot of people. If they start picking up too many tourists or journalists then many fewer americans will visit them. A self-limiting problem. So just do something and then move on to more important issues.
Reconsider Afghanistan-Pakistan
Now, at an absolute strategic level (that is without factoring in other strategic priorities or the way we are now fighting there) I would be for some level of military engagement in Afghanistan, at about the level Obama has articulated. But, the US has other international priorities it is not attending to and we are not operationally engaging the Afghanistan-Pakistan region in a way that can be successful. So I say lets get out until (1) we have our strategic priorities right (a key indicator would be that 10,000 US high school students are studying abroad in China) and (2) we have a workable operational strategy for the Afghanistan-Pakistan region (key indicators would be that China provides at least half a many troops as the US, that the US provides no more than half of the total number of foreign troops in the region, and that the US has 1,000 high school students studying abroad in Pakistan).
Cornering the afghan opium
Cornering the afghan opium market would have huge and untold ripples, especially in Iran. Iranian youth is largely unemployed and there is a huge opium and heroin problem, this could mobilize the youth against the government (the give us our smack back movement) OR equally as likely after the youth gets clean due to a lack of the drug, turns in the sinner to saint dynamic, become puritanical and even more supportive of the regime.
I'm not sure which is more unstable, a protesting youth overthrowing the government for smack or an even more galvanized and loyal Iranian state willing to die for their country's nuclear program.
Classic
"...like putting an elaborate burgler alarm on a tar-paper shack, and then hiring an expensive security service to guard it for the next decade. Not smart."
That was awesome.
But the tar-paper shack has a serial murderer that occasionally likes to use it has a hiding spot.
It'll probably be more economical, and in line with realist thought, to just empower the warlord alliance that is the current government, to the point where it can prevent the Taliban from consolidating rule in all of the country. The Taliban are impossible to fully oust from Kandahar.
A stalemate is better than nothing.
Maintain drone attacks and a small intelligence presence; let Pakistan feel comfertable again by encouraging Karzai to close ranks with them; and provide targeted infrastructural development aid to slowly allow the nation to build some semblance of a non-opiate based economy. AND GET THE TROOPS OUT!
We have no hard targets and no clear mission. The people that are fighting our troops can just as easily be fought by the Afghan Army (Northern Alliance).
Get out and fight by proxy.
But the tar-paper shack has a
But the tar-paper shack has a serial murderer that occasionally likes to use it has a hiding spot.
If we follow the metaphor, then, the obvious solution is to burn the shack down to the point that nobody can hide in it.
Don't go there. Just don't go there.
BURN IT DOWN!
Hmm... interesting point. But let's suppose some innocent hobos use it for shelter occassionally too. (Is this getting too ridiculous?)
But yes, burning it is always an option. Alas, we like to keep total annihilation a viable option at all times. Even though God only knows how many a generation of Americans we would condemn to fighting the war on terror as a result.
But maybe 'burning it' doesn't have to be literally 'burning it'. Maybe it just means purging it to the extent that it can't possibly EVER be used again as a training base or hideout for terrorists with international reach?
The metaphor was kind of
The metaphor was kind of ridiculous from the beginning, but continuing --
how about if this particular tarpaper shack is one of dozens that the murderer could shelter in, depending on how well he gets along with the other users.
And there are multiple murderers and potential murderers who all would like to kill you and me, and any of them might use tarpaper shack resources when they aren't stealing or renting tuxedoes or business suits to get into fancy balls to murder people.
Maybe rather than guard one shack we could find a way to get the various inhabitants of the various shacks to turn away murderers? Or we could burn them all down....
Or maybe the important thing is not so much what the murderers do while they're hiding in tarpaper shacks. Maybe we need to be ready to deal with them when they sneak into our own places. Since it will be very hard to get rid of them all, and besides they probably don't get their best training at sneaking into ritzy places and doing sabotage etc while they're hiding in tarpaper shacks. That isn't the best environment for that training....
So, for example, AQ trained a great many infantrymen. Afghanistan was a fine place to do that. They also trained a much smaller number of spies and saboteurs who were supposed to travel inconspicuously through western society. If those guys ever got sent to afghanistan it was because of a security lapse. They had no business going there.
Shameful
I love the use of 'conservative' as a pejorative in Steve's sentence below. Of course, the only critics in this case would be the mean and nasty conservatives right? One I think could make some fairly reasonable criticisms of the handling of this situation without conceding any lack of moral concern for the wellbeing of the journalists and their families.
"I would love to hear how conservative critics of the administration's handling of the problem would explain their positions to the journalists or their families."