Friday, August 7, 2009 - 4:35 PM

By Justin Logan
Recent reporting indicates the Obama administration is beginning to think about what to do if Iran fails to respond to their overtures for negotiation over its nuclear program.
A report in last week's Haaretz claimed that the
administration was looking at the option of attempting to impose an embargo of
refined petroleum products into Iran including, most importantly, gasoline
which Iran has to import as a result of its lack of indigenous refining
capacity. The NYT's David Sanger followed up with a story
Monday indicating the reporting in Haaretz
was correct, and Sanger predicts that legislation to impose sanctions on
refined petroleum products will "sail through" Congress. There is also talk in Washington of pressing other U.N.
Security Council members to sign on for similar measures. (Meantime,
of course, the usual suspects in Washington
have been doing their level best to promote
panic and delude
people about the likely consequences of military action.)
Sometimes, though, the trouble with making laws is that you have to enforce them. This seems like one of those cases. It's much easier for Congress to grandstand by imploring the administration to "cut off" the supply of refined petroleum products into Iran than it is for the administration to actually cut them off. As Sanger writes: "Enforcing what would amount to a gasoline embargo has long been considered risky and extremely difficult; it would require the participation of Russia and China, among others that profit from trade with Iran."
As this Reuters report observes, while such restrictions would indeed place some increased pain on Iran, they would constitute, more than anything, a "boon to traders." The fact is that there are extremely powerful incentives, particularly with the global economy in the toilet, for actors to cheat on these sorts of sanctions.
Given this reality, one wonders what's going on here. Moreover, Matt Yglesias points to another important puzzle: many of the people promoting a resolution at the UNSC instituting an embargo also want to do things like admit Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and pressure the Chinese on their treatment of the Uighur population in Xinjiang or the people of Tibet. In order to get Russia or China to sign onto a sanctions regime, we would have to engage in actual diplomacy with those countries, perhaps including dreaded "quid pro quos," which most hawkish analysts seem to view as appeasement.
Here's a side question on the Iran nuclear dispute more generally, in particular for Beltway folks: If you were an Iranian government official or an adviser to the government, what would you suggest the government do? Should it seek to acquire a nuclear capability or try to negotiate a deal with the United States? Please show your work.
(For thoughts on the increasingly likely choice between either military action or an incipient Iranian nuclear capability, see myself, Barry Posen, or Christopher Hemmer.)
Justin Logan is associate director of foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute in Washington, DC.
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Got it. This is very predictable from you, given your other work. Why not help move the debate forward by doing what those that disagree with you in this debate often do not do themselves -- suppose you are wrong about Iran. How would you know? Alternatively, what sort of metrics can we use to navigate the question of deterrence with regards to Iran?
Seems like there is a big opportunity here for new thinking, not just the same yes/no debate that has gone on between groups like CATO and the IR realists on the one hand, and those of the more neo-con persuasion on the other.
Mr. Logan -- thoughts?
The real fiction is that because it cannot be confirmed that Iran’s program is only for peaceful purposes, it must therefore be working towards a bomb.
This is untrue.
Iran is likely working towards a nuclear weapons capability, without building a bomb.
Having the capacity to build a nuclear weapon is not the same thing as having one, and having a large stock of low-enriched uranium is not the same as having the highly enriched uranium necessary for a bomb.
News reports and some commentators have recently claimed that Iran has enough material for a nuclear weapon. These reports referred to Iran’s stock of low-enriched uranium. This is a misleading claim. To begin with, one cannot make a nuclear weapon with low-enriched uranium. A nuclear weapon requires highly enriched uranium or plutonium, and Iran possesses neither. In theory, Iran could take its stock of low-enriched uranium and enrich it to a grade required for making bombs, but its low-enriched uranium is currently under the surveillance of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Diverting this material for military purposes would be discovered by the IAEA. (Detection of diversion is the IAEA’s technological strong suit.) Iran’s choices, therefore, are to cheat and get caught or to kick out the inspectors. Either action would represent an extreme departure from Iranian strategy to date and in any case would likely precipitate military action by Israel.
Even, in the worst case, if Iran were to obtain nukes, it would use them for deterrence, and could be contained, according to studies by the National Defense University:
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/docUploaded/McNair70.pdf
Ok, but the people arguing for military strikes on Iran (which would not end their nuclear programme) should show _their_ work first.
It would have been helpful in the Iraqi case too.
As for showing our work -- pls read the document "Reassessing the implications of a nuclear armed Iran" by the NDU given above:
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/docUploaded/McNair70.pdf
Iran seeks nuclear weapons _capability_ (NOT a bomb) for the purposes of deterring aggressive nations like the US (eg. Iraq, Af/Pak attacks) and Israel (Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, Iraq attacks).
A deterrent capability versus Israel would be a very good thing for middle east peace.
VIENNA (Reuters Fri Jul 3, 2009 ) - The incoming head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said on Friday he did not see any hard evidence Iran was trying to gain the ability to develop nuclear arms.
"I don't see any evidence in IAEA official documents about this," Yukiya Amano told Reuters in his first direct comment on Iran's atomic program since his election, when asked whether he believed Tehran was seeking nuclear weapons capability.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL312024420090703
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/06/AR2009080603920_pf.html
Iran Years From Fuel For Bomb, Report Says
U.S. Analysts Also Discount Strength Of Russian Military
By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 7, 2009
Despite Iran's progress since 2007 toward producing enriched uranium, the State Department's intelligence analysts continue to think that Tehran will not be able to produce weapons-grade material before 2013, according to a newly disclosed congressional document.
The updated assessment, by the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, emphasizes that the analysis is based on Iran's technical capability and is not a judgment about "when Iran might make any political decision" to produce highly enriched uranium.
The intelligence community agrees that a political decision has not yet been made. According to the assessment, State Department analysts think such a decision is unlikely to be made "for at least as long as international scrutiny and pressure persist."
The views on Iran's nuclear program are contained among answers in a document supplied by Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence after a hearing in February. Steven Aftergood, a senior research analyst at the Federation of American Scientists, obtained the document through a Freedom of Information Act request and published it Thursday on his Web site.
Among items included in the document is an analysis of Russia's military status. Blair concluded the Russian military "is a shadow of its Soviet predecessor." Its conventional forces are "not a direct military threat to central or western Europe," and its ability to project large forces abroad "is very limited."
In fact, according to the intelligence analysis, Moscow appears to be emphasizing the creation of a "smaller, more professional, mobile, survivable, highly technical military," one more adapted to deal with countries on its borders, except for China. The analysis describes recent Russian naval activities in the Mediterranean, the Indian and Pacific oceans, and the North Atlantic as "show the flag" exercises.
As a sign of the limitations, Moscow has "consistently" kept its defense spending to less than 3 percent of its gross national product in recent years. U.S. defense spending this year is around 4.7 percent of its gross domestic product.
The collapse of world oil prices, along with the worldwide economic slowdown, has helped curb Russia's defense spending. The intelligence report says that the country faces its first recession in years and that its companies are about $450 billion in debt to Western financial institutions.
Closer to home, Blair said that the intelligence community continues to look for al-Qaeda sleeper cells in the United States and that the FBI is particularly interested in people with contacts with "militants in Pakistan's FATA," the area near the Afghanistan border.
"If you were an Iranian government official or an adviser to the government, what would you suggest the government do? Should it seek to acquire a nuclear capability or try to negotiate a deal with the United States? "
Neither -- it should continue making its _civil_ LEU nuclear fuel and ignore the unfounded threats of the West.
Sanctions on Gasoline won't work
Russia and China masters the technique of building refineries, and will eventually step in and build what should have been built many years ago. After 1979 we have been witnesses to American Common Sense being taken hostage, long after the actual hostages - around fifty and among them several CIA employees - have been released. The pragmatic and sound Americans - as we all know and love them - would long ago have normalised relations with Iran, but have been prevented from it by the colossal Spider that is The Israel lobby, and which from Washington holds the entire political system of the worlds sole superpower in a tight, controlling grip. For every year that the sanctions continues, more absurdities like this are bound to emerge. The logical way of ending this - and what the Lobby has been workiong hard for - is to go to war. But thanks to the Iraqie insurgency and the dreadful costs to The United States in the form of loss of political goodwill among the nations of the world, increased terror and spread to Afghanistan of insurgence-techniques (suicidebombs and IED's) and financial losses, we are not going to see any kind of armed conflict in the case of Iran - which would also likely result in the closure of the Hormuz-strait and possible attack on oil-installations in Gulfstates as well as missile attacks on American military installations in all neighboring countries, followed by an oilprice-hike up towards 200 $ pr. barrel and beyound, up,up.
So American Common sense need finally to manifest itself in this policy-area as well, as happily have been the case in all other major policy-areas. In short, the mighty Israel lobby needs to be reigned in, by procecuting neoconservatives and placing santions om the sovereign state of Israel, for having actively dragged the Unites States of America into the disastrous and counterproductive war in Iraq.
What evidence is there that Iran has a military nuclear program?
Anyone, anyone? No, I can't hear you...some _evidence_ please?
people of faith... faith in (eventual) justice, faith in...
...the basic decency of humanity...
well, those are the people we must fear and exterminate.
especially the ones who also happen to live on top of the oil.
another freaking comedy thread.
Until 2003, I will admit, there was some evidence that Iran desires nukes.
Since then the evidence is mixed, and the NIE states the Iranian weapons program was halted. That is why the vast majority of experts agree that Iran desires the _capability_ to make a bomb and no more. And there is nothing illegal about that. It is within the NPT rules.
In December 2007, the intelligence community published the key findings of a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran that concluded with “high confidence” that “Iranian military entities were working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons” but that “in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.”
The NIE defined what is commonly called “weaponization” as becoming proficient in the actual construction of a nuclear weapon, assuming that enough nuclear explosive material is already available.
The same report judged with “moderate confidence” that the “earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009, but that this is very unlikely,” and it “probably would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon sometime during the 2010-2015 time frame.”
Diversion of the LEU to HEU enrichment would be detected by the IAEA.
The report also assessed with “high confidence” that “Iran has the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons _if_ it decides to do so.”
sure, IF IF IF.....IF, ok? No evidence it has decided anything of the sort since 2003.
Nuf said.
Until 2003, I will admit, there was some evidence that Iran desires nukes."
but all you got for evidence is hearsay, from an unsubstantiated NIE that was produced under pressure.
if that NIE cited any real evidence, please post urls pointing us to that evidence.
i've got a sinking feeling that...
...we're headed back to the laptop from hell.
...somebody better come up with something interesting pretty soon, or i'm going for beer.
then we'll all be sorry.
then there's the dismal proposition...
that people might form an attachment to a place that's sustained them for more-or-less ever.
...and none of these thinktank bullshit artists...
...will dignify the proceedings with answers.
everybody hopes they will be forgiven.
failing at forgiveness, they hope they can stack up enough loot to buy immunity.
and more disgust
if you thinktank experts think you can get away with it, go for it.
you are boring, and you're doomed to failure because humanity is better than your computers.
too bad you're too fucking dumb to defend yourselves.
...if these doofus fucks program morals into their computers, they will be confronted with evidence that they're assholes.
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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