Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 4:14 PM

Am I the only person who sees a parallel between the furor over the Scottish decision to release convicted Libyan intelligence officer Abdel Basset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, and the heated debate over whether to investigate possible criminal misconduct during the Bush administration "torture regime?"
With respect to the former, many people are upset by the decision to release al-Megrahi -- who has terminal prostate cancer and only a few months to live -- because they do not think an act of mercy was warranted in his case. Fair enough; reasonable people can legitimately disagree about whether the dying man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing deserves any form of clemency. But the real anger stems from the suspicion that al-Megrahi's release was part of some larger deal, and that British officials traded the release for commercial or political advantages. In other words, opponents of the decision to release him are incensed because they believe government officials let broader political or business considerations interfere with an important issue of criminal justice.
Yet those who oppose an open-ended investigation into what the Bush administration did -- which might eventually lead to the prosecution of top officials -- are doing the same thing for which British officials are being criticized: they are saying that politics should outweigh the requirements of law and justice. In essence, they are saying that broader political considerations should trump the normal operations of the criminal justice system. Yet I suspect most of the people making this argument would be outraged if it turned out that the British government decided to release al Megrahi in part to cultivate Libyan business or secure other political advantages.
For a country that claims to revere the "rule of law," this really isn't a hard issue conceptually. Attorney General Holder's task is to determine whether laws may have been broken, and whether an investigation of the alleged wrongdoing is warranted. Once that investigation has been conducted, he then has decide if he has a strong enough case to warrant prosecution. If he thinks he does, the case goes forward, and defendants get their day in court. Politics isn't supposed to have anything to do with this process (though a sensible prosecutor would probably be especially reluctant to bring a weak case against prominent senior officials). Finally, if any defendants are found guilty, the president could then step in and issue a pardon, if he felt that doing so was in the best interests of the nation.
Note that it is still possible to criticize and debate every aspect of this process, but not by invoking partisanship, political expediency, or the need to "look forward rather than backward." People can disagree about whether there is enough evidence of wrongdoing to warrant further investigation (though I think the recent revelations make it hard to make the case that there is simply no basis for a further investigation). If AG Holder decides to indict anyone, or if he declines to do so, people will undoubtedly disagree about what he should have done so based on the available evidence. And if the cases go to trial we can argue about them too. If the defendants are acquitted, people will say the case should never have been brought; if convicted, some will claim they were railroaded. If people are convicted and the president pardons them, no doubt there would be heated discussions about whether this was appropriate or not.
But the key point is that if you genuinely believe in the rule of law, you can't invoke political expediency as a guide to whether possible crimes should be investigated and prosecuted. And the fact that the Attorney-General has decided to go forward should be seen as very positive sign, because it shows that he is willing to fulfill his constitutional responsibilities even if it is politically inconvenient for the president who appointed him. I have no doubt that the president would prefer to "look forward," because an investigation and/or prosecution will drive both the CIA and the right-wing media types crazy and because he's got enough alligators to wrestle with already. But he also promised us that he would end the politicization of the Department of Justice that his predecessor practiced, and Holder's decision, however inconvenient for Obama, is a reassuring sign that there is still life in the U.S. Constitution.
Am I being -- shall we say, unrealistic -- to stress the rule of law as opposed to the naked exercise of political power? Hardly. Realists have a rather dim view of human nature, which is why we like legitimate, well-ordered governments in which laws and checks and balances exist to keep human frailties in check. The Founding Fathers had a lot of realist instincts, so they constructed a variety of essentially liberal institutions to try to address and contain our worst instincts. Domestic politics in a well-ordered society is a lot nicer than life in the international system, which conspicuously lacks strong institutions and where the rule of law is weak. And that's why we ought to defend the rule of law in this case (and others), and try hard to keep politics out of the discussion.
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Your discussion of the Scottish decision misses one key point.
Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill acknowledged that "the American families and Government either had an expectation, or were led to believe, that there would be no prisoner transfer and the sentence would be served in Scotland." For this reason, he explained, he rejected "the Libyan Government's application for prisoner transfer for Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi."
But MacAskill failed, both in his statement announcing the release and when questioned in the Scottish parliament, to explain why these assurances to American families of the Lockerbie victims did not also preclude so-called compassionate release.
One Significant Difference Between al-Megrahi and Bush Officials
Professor Walt's question is important despite the particulars of the al-Megrahi case, but it is worth mentioning that al-Megrahi is probably innocent while a similar assertion cannot be made about Bush administration officials.
I have put together a collection of articles on the subject at [wvns] Megrahi’s welcome triggers fury in US, Britain.
The entry seems much too long to post here directly.
You might a see an odd paralell between the administration's investigation of the CIA and its continued use of rendition to other countries who, let's say, do not have the same rules that we have for torture.
Here is a legal analysis of a torture prosecution. National Review so clearly a conservative point of view, but worth reading to understand what the law is, if not his conclusions.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWRhNzAwYmYzMWExYTBlMTM2MjI2MjA4Y2JlODIwMTg=&w=Mg==
I wonder how the principles about which Dr. Walt discourses at such length here would apply to the Clinton impeachment.
Sure, this is a debating point. So is the one he makes at the beginning of this post. Realism in American foreign policy requires functioning intelligence agencies; functioning intelligence agencies require personnel able to rely on guidance from responsible executive branch authorities as to whether actions they may think necessary are legal or not. You can call this concern politics, but you might as well call it cantaloupe.
Now, if Walt can find a way to hold legally accountable those who issued, or caused to have issued, indefensible interpretations of American legal obligations under the Constitution, the Geneva Conventions or anything else, I'll be all ears. I have no problem either with prosecutions of intelligence or other personnel alleged to have gone beyond the legal guidance they did get as to interrogation practices. My fear is that the direction Attorney General Holder is pointing will lead us to neither of those, but rather to exactly the outcome the intelligence community fears most: prosecutions of individual CIA personnel acting on legal guidance they were not competent to question, from the appropriate authorities within the executive branch, years after the acts in question took place and after government prosecutors in a different administration had decided not to prosecute.
Incidentally, and not for nothing, what sparked the greatest outrage among the nations whose nationals were murdered in the Lockerbie bombing was not the release but the celebration arranged by the Libyan government -- a reminder that, but for politics, no trial for this bombing would ever have taken place.
Wow - from where did you copy and paste paragraph 3? That's a BS talking point regurgitation if I've ever read one. "individual CIA personnel acting on legal guidance they were not competent to question" - this essentially amounts to a "just following orders" defense. And we know how that turned out for the post-WWII tribunals, both for the Pacific and Atlantic fronts. Simple fact is it is a crime for soldiers to carry out clearly illegal orders - targeting civilians, engaging in torture, etc. Why should we expect that CIA operatives would be less cognizant of what constitutes a clearly illegal order than members of our military? CIA operatives may have been taught to care less about the legality of orders, but that is their problem, not a legal justification. And probably the easiest way to find out exactly what the higher ups "authorized" will be to indict a few interrogators and offer them plea bargains.
But this all presupposes that the CIA and the Bush administration were acting "in good faith" in regards legal guidance. We know from recently declassified material that after Goldsmith took over the OLC and rescinded Bybee and Yoo's memos, the CIA stopped going through the OLC for their justifications rather than complying with Goldsmith's new standards. And "decided not to prosecute" is of course a joke - the Bush justice department very clearly became a CYA mechanism for the Bush administration, rather than an independently functioning legal resource. Just watch D. Kyle Sampson's testimony where he excoriates the senate for daring to ask questions about politics in the justice department.
As for the Clinton impeachment, perhaps if he'd just learned to say "I do not recall" we'd remember the Lewinsky scandal the same way we remember Iran-Contra...
The destruction of the Pan Am flight
The above is stuff and nonsense because you ignore the initial criminal in the action, U.S. Navy Captain William C. Rogers III, who shot down Iran Air Flight 655, also known as IR655, a civilian airliner and thusly murdered all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children. He shot down the Pan Am flight six months later as surely as if he set the bomb. To ignore the sequence is to ignore common justice; an eye for an eye, even if it does leave the world blind. Hatred feeds hatred, and revenge is seldom served cold.
""individual CIA personnel acting on legal guidance they were not competent to question" - this essentially amounts to a "just following orders" defense. And we know how that turned out for the post-WWII tribunals, both for the Pacific and Atlantic fronts. Simple fact is it is a crime for soldiers to carry out clearly illegal orders"
The statute for torture prosecution clearly states that it requires specific intent. Meaning the interrogator must know what he is doing is torture and intend to torture someone. An interrogator who is given legal guidance that what he is doing is not torture can not form the specific intent required to be prosecuted under the statute. You may think this is a too "legalitic" an analysis, but as Professor Walt says we are a country of laws.
As the third Circuit said in Pierre v. Mukasey:
Specific intent requires not simply the general intent to accomplish an act with no particular end in mind, but the additional deliberate and conscious purpose of accomplishing a specific and prohibited result. Mere knowledge that a result is substantially certain to follow from one’s actions is not sufficient to form the specific intent to torture. Knowledge that pain and suffering will be the certain outcome of conduct may be sufficient for a finding of general intent but it is not enough for a finding of specific intent.
When questioned in May by congress Eric Holder, incredibly, didn't even know this. In his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, he described torture as a general intent offense.
By your ridiculous misinterpretation, basically anything could be considered "not torture" as long as the perpetrator has convinced himself or been convinced by someone else that it doesn't count as such. Specific intent only absolves one who unintentionally committed the physical act itself, and what one believes has no bearing on that. I'd wager that Eric Holder, unlike you, understands this.
You have obviously never studied law. Specific intent is exacly what I said it means. You could shoot into an open crowd and a prosecutor would still have to prove the specific intent to kill someone for first degree premeditated murder( even if you knew death was a likely outcome of firing the gun) as opposed to depreaved heart manslaughter. You may not like that congress chose to use the specific intent standard, but that does not change the fact that it is the legal standard.
Eric Holder didn't even know the standard was specific intent. He thought it was general intent.
I know enough of law to understand that specific intent in this case is the difference between strapping holding a guy down and saving a broomstick up his ass, and tripping while holding a broomstick to accidentally wind up with it in his ass. The former being specific intent to torture and the latter not. If you insist on trying to argue otherwise, please present sources which you belive back your claims rather than talking out your ass.
Silly leftist nonsense.
They will not get one conviction for 'torture'.
They won't even bring anyone to trial.
This is just Obama's pathetic political posturing. Misdirection when things are falling apart.
To compare this to a mass murderer is asinine.
In relation to the first part of Walt's analysis it might be useful to remind American readers, that it is not clear at all that Libya plays a part in Lockerbie.[But it could have become clear if Mr. Megrahi had decided to appeal] As one of the worlds leading independent-thinking journalists makes clear, German investigators have found a strong Lebanese connection.
Forget all the nonsense spouted by our beloved Foreign Secretary. He's all too happy to express his outrage. The welcome given to Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi in Tripoli was a perfect deviation from what the British Government is trying to avoid. It's called the truth, not that Mr Miliband would know much about it.
It was Megrahi's decision – not that of his lawyers – to abandon the appeal that might have told us the truth about Lockerbie. The British would far rather he return to the land of the man who wrote The Green Book on the future of the world (the author, a certain Col Muammar Gaddafi, also wrote Escape to Hell and Other Stories) than withstand the typhoon of information that an appeal would have revealed.
Brown and Gaddafi. Maybe they should set up as a legal company once their time is up. Brown and Gaddafi, Solicitors and Commissioners for Oaths. Not that the oaths would be truthful.
Megrahi's lawyers had delved deeply into his case – which rested on the word of a Maltese tailor who had already seen a picture of Megrahi (unrevealed to us at the time) so he could identify him in court – and uncovered some remarkable evidence from the German police.
Given the viciousness of their Third Reich predecessors, I've never had a lot of time for German cops, but on this occasion they went a long way towards establishing that a Lebanese who had been killed in the Lockerbie bombing was steered to Frankfurt airport by known Lebanese militants and the bag that contained the bomb was actually put on to the baggage carousel for checking in by this passenger's Lebanese handler, who had taken him to the airport, and had looked after him in Germany before the flight.
I have read all the interviews which the German police conducted with their suspects. They are devastating. There clearly was a Lebanese connection. And there probably was a Palestinian connection.
"And there probably was a Palestinian connection."
Wow that may be the first time Robert Fisk held the Palestinians responsible for anything.
"Realists have a rather dim view of human nature, which is why we like legitimate, well-ordered governments in which laws and checks and balances exist to keep human frailties in check."
Except when it comes to Israel vs. the Arabs. More hypocrisy?
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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