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On the Goldstone report

I haven't had time to read Richard Goldstone's massive report on the war crimes committed by Israel and Hamas during last year's fighting in Gaza (though I have read the lengthy executive summary). I suspect most of the people who are now excoriating the report and denouncing Goldstone haven't actually read the 500-plus page report either. Maybe that explains why much of the commentary just accuses Goldstone and his team of "bias" and attacks them personally but doesn't refute the allegations in detail.
Nonetheless, it was disappointing that the Obama administration felt it had to denounce the report within days of its release, despite Goldstone's impeccable credentials (former member of South Africa's Constitutional Court and chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunals for Bosnia and Rwanda) and his strong Zionist convictions. Israeli PM Netanyahu hasn’t been doing Obama any favors of late, and the release of the report would have been a golden opportunity for Obama to play a little hardball and remind him that stiffing your principal patron has a price. And the Administration didn't even have to endorse the report; all they had to do was refrain from criticizing it.
In other words, what if U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice had said something like this: "Richard Goldstone is a respected jurist with considerable experience on these issues, and the report contains disturbing information about the actions of both Hamas and Israel during the fighting last year. It deserves to be carefully read, because it demonstrates how important it is to achieve a lasting peace in the region and why the president is committed to that goal." The message to Netanyahu would have been clear: If you want diplomatic cover from us, we'll need more cooperation from you than we’ve been getting.
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Why oh why?
Prof,
do you know why the US cannot admit that Israel committed war crimes?
Because the instant that happens our Arms Export Control Act will kick in and we will have to zero out military help to Israel.
This is all political, and Palestinian civilians are paying the price -- as well as those killed in 9/11.
Fantasy Land
We (USA) will continue to live in the fantasy land where Israel has not committed war crimes, and will continue to send them cluster bombs to use on civilians.
I think it is in bad taste that the spin you give to this story is that it could have been used politically. How about demonstrating some outrage at your tax dollars being used to kill children and women?
Denounce is too strong
I only read that Rice expressed "our very serious concern with the mandate that was given." She said that the UN Human Rights Council, but not the UNSC, should consider the report. The more telling quotes in this article appear later:
You'll have to provide stronger statements from the US to label our reaction as denouncing.
Considering the UNGA is around the corner, I think the statement was fine. What matters is what we tell Israel in private, not in public over such a hot potato.
Just a taste of why this
Not only did you not read the report, but you haven't read the substantive analysis of the report. Sorry to disappoint you Professor Walt.
Just a taste of why this report is sham.
1. The Report is cut and paste from anti-Israel or far left NGOs written before the investigation occurred
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/goldstone_report_pages_of_ngo_cut_and_paste_
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/digest_info.php?id=2636
2. A senior member of the terrorist organization the Popular Front was cited as a witness 30 times without noting his back ground.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/16/richard-goldstone-report-israel-gaza
3. In paragraph 820 the report says that Israel killed 15 people in a hospital not even mentioning that 6 of those people were armed fighters shooting from the hospital.
‘Umar Abdul Hafez Mousa al-Silawi Al Qassam Brigades
Ra’ed Abdul Rahman Mohammed al-Msamha
Sa’id Salah Sa’id Battah Al Qassam Brigades
Muhannad Ibrahim ‘Ata al-Tannani Al Quds Brigades member
brahim Mousa Issa al-Silawi Al Qassam Brigades
Ahmed Hamed Hassan Abu ‘Eita Al Qassam Brigades
4. "495. Although the situations investigated by the Mission did not establish the use of mosques
for military purposes or to shield military activities, the Mission cannot exclude that this might
have occurred in other cases. "
I guess you tube is better informed than Goldstone as here is a video of a secondary explosion of a weapons cache in a Mosque
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwP_LusgPAw&feature=player_embedded
Ground level video of anti aircraft weapons in Mosque
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zd55Zhj5gQ&feature=player_embedded
5. Paragraph 493 "The Mission found no evidence that members of Palestinian armed groups engaged in combat in civilian dress"
Again you tube posters know more than Goldstone.
Hamas member dressed as civilian plants bomb, goes into civilian house, then comes out with white flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJgfZ9_6miE
More problems with the report
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-la.1.mn_commentary.newart3-2009sep18,0,4123099.story?track=rss
More of the outlandish legal reasoning and conclusions in the report
http://volokh.com/posts/1253283907.shtml
And on and on and on
I expect this report will be about as embarrassing as Durban Conference once all of the "evidence" is analyzed.
NGO monitor is run by a
NGO monitor is run by a militant zionist, just like Campus Watch. You can discount everything from both.
Everything is meticulously
Everything is meticulously cited with substantive analysis. You are doing the same thing that Walt accused people screaming "bias" of--completely non-substantive ad-hominem attacks
you focus on hamas
you focus on hamas. why dont you focus on what the report has said about the conduct of israel?
can i remind you less than 10 israelis died. more died from friendly fire than enemy action.
in comparison over 1000 palestinians died.
you have not mentioned what israeli troops said, themselves, about engagement policies, which was to shoot at anything and anyone in the area, because warnings were made already.
apart from the death toll, you seem to forget the material destruction caused.
hamas committing outrages = hamas committing outrages.
it does not excuse israel. so if you think your fair, they should both be judged and punished. hamas has been punished (obviously). what was israel'ss punishment? more cluster bombs from the USA.
Why would a Jewish Zionist
Why would a Jewish Zionist like Goldstone Lie about such things? Why Would Chomsky lie? Why would tony Judt Lie?
Why would the NYT lie about the wholesale murders of entire Families in the Gaza, and the Use of Human shields?
Why WOULD they destroy the only flour production facility i Gaza if not to starve the people?
You simply ought to be ashamed of yourself.
"Why would a Jewish Zionist
"Why would a Jewish Zionist like Goldstone Lie about such things?"
Isn't that the reason he was given the job in the first place because he is a Jew and so idiots could then say "he is a Jew so the report can't be biased" without even arguing the substance.
"Chomsky lie? Why would tony Judt Lie?"
In case you haven't noticed both are anti-zionists who wish Israel was never created."
"Why would the NYT lie about the wholesale murders of entire Families" Because no such thing was ever said or do you consider all civilian deaths in war to bemurder?
"Use of Human shields?"
No one is denying Hamas routinely used human shields throughout Gaza. There is video proof of Hamas firing from schools
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2232927/mortar_bombs_shot_from_un_school_in_gaza_29_oct_2007/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN9WzUc7iB0
"Why WOULD they destroy the only flour production facility i Gaza if not to starve the people?"
Why would Gazans burn down the 30 million dollar greenhouses Israel gave them? To starve themselves? Why would Israel send in 16,000 tons of aid to Gaza. Why has not a single Gazan ever starved to death?
It's funny dave, almost every
It's funny dave, almost every nation on earth, Including the US, and at least half of all Israelis, would love to see the settlements gone, and are critical of the actions Israel has taken in Lebanon and Gaza. Most living US presidents would love to see the settlements and the occupation gone as well. But you just seem intent on saying that it is the rest of the entire world and half of Israel that are wrong. again, and again and again. On most every issue.
I'll say it again. 13 Israelis killed since 2001, 1400 Palestinians (almost 1/3 children)killed JUST during cast lead, not counting the hundreds of others killed before that.
and again, if 1/3 are children, then statistically what are the chances that such a shockingly high number of innocent children were killed, but that ALL the rest of the adults were actually guilty of something other than being unfortunate enough to live in Gaza? almost nil. the numbers would dictate that the number of innocents killed was like 60 to 70 percent AT LEAST.
A similar MO in Lebanon.
Israel has become utterly corrupted by having to defend something as heinous as the worlds only violently enforced colonial settler movement, and the OBVIOUSLY are collectively punishing Gaza and Lebanon.
We would be doing Israel a great favor if we relived them of this moral burden and FORCED them to abandon the settlements and occupation as soon as possible.
Obama needs to start getting tough with Israel.
Settlments and so on
1)Settlements were removed from Gaza and we have seen
that such a removal just allowed to Hamas to include more
Israeli cities in the range of its rockets. So why to continue removing settlements? Do you think we want "grads"
in Tel Aviv?
2) More than 50 percent of Gaza's population are children under age of 16. So may be that can explain the large
number of them among the casualties (if only those numbers
are true, which I'm not so sure)
Moreover, we don't know, how many civilians (including children)have died as a result of Hamas actions (gun fire, booby traps, stored ammunition explosion and so on).
And the last thing - teenager is still capable of caring
a gun or a hand grenade. Is he an innocent victim in this case?
3) I see, that many people are very upset by low number of Israeli civilian casualties.
So we are very sorry, that we have bomb shelters here in Israel, where we hide during Hamas rocket attacks. Next time all of us will go out in order to make the number of casualties equal for your satisfaction.
BTW, would you like to spend 8 years in a bomb shelter together with your children?
BTW, from the other side the Palestinians have built hundreds of tunnels for smuggling their weapons and zero
bomb shelters for their children.
Paint the kids as legitimate
Paint the kids as legitimate targets without any proof. Good way to rid oneself of that pesky cognitive dissonance that accompanies killing children in the name of maintaining dominance over another people. I wonder if that picture at the Btselem website showing an Israeli White phosphorus attack at a SCHOOL might help fill in some of the holes in your inquiry. Or, perhaps the NY TIMES story about the Israeli army sending an entire family to a house that they then bombed. Or the NY Times story about Israeli soldiers using young teens as human shields as they went house to house.
Now regarding those rocket attacks. Were you aware that during that period of time that thousands of Hamas rockets were being sent into Israel, killing about 13, that more than 14,000 devastatingly accurate mortars were shot into Gaza, Before cast lead, killing hundreds (also mostly innocent)? Were you aware that they sent in assassination teams who also had a very high civilian kill rate? Were you aware that the party who broke the longest truce (with no rockets from either side) was Israel?
NO ONE here is happy about the deaths of ANY Israelis. I wish it was none. But it is of utmost importance to the charges being leveled that people are aware that the numbers are more than one hundred to one, that Israel has Gaza under a brutal siege, that they are SLAUGHTERING innocents in their own rocket attacks and assassination attempts, and that in doing so they are killing a VERY HIGH number of children.
at the end of the day, Israel cannot expand the settlements, in fact the worlds ONLY violently enforced colonial settler movement, and claim that it is also being attacked without cause. When the settlers are gone from all occupied territories, they can then be considered innocent parties. It is also clear that this must happen forcefully, because people like Lieberman and Netanyahu could care less how many millions of Palestinians suffer, or how many Israelis or Americans die as the result of the terror that that the settlements inspire. They will continue regardless, rght up until the US pulls the financial and military plug.
Missing the big picture
The same actors on the UN Human Rights Council would be using this "international lawfare" on us next. One has to weigh the effect of lending this sham of a body any sort of legitimacy at all, knowing that we are target #2 vs. the benefits of sending a message as Walt wants, which I imagine would be merely symbolic and not have any significant material effect.
Pot. Kettle. Black. Can the hypocricy be any clearer?
"I suspect more of the people who are now excoriating the criticisms of the report and denouncing the critics haven't actually read them either. Maybe that explains why much of the commentary just accuses the critics of "bias" and attacks them personally but don't refute the criticisms in detail".
Walt, if you want to refute the critics, refute them based on the facts, not on your feelings. This hand waving dismissal is extremely weak, and obviously so. As even your fans have noted (on a different post, an indication that this is a pattern with you): Stick to "just the facts" to avoid being written off by a large group of readers.
Plenty of rebutals in the press
There are plenty press and official rebutals to ridiculous allegations in the Goldstone report, but alas, professor Walt is true to form. First he admits that he never read the report, he ignores that the allegations of the report were predetermined, leaves out that the report was commissioned by nations that don't recognize Israel with the purpose of condemning it, then he accuses others of not reading the report - a lie, finally, he claims that the report gets a bad rap because no one actually read it - lie, and that allegations in the report haven't been discredited - another lie. Mr. Walt, what your colleagues have said about Osama bin Laden reading your work is 100% true, some books deserve their audience.
Analysis: Blocking the truth behind the Gaza war
Sep. 21, 2009
JONATHAN D. HALEVI, Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs , THE JERUSALEM POST
On September 15, 2009, the UN investigating commission known as the Goldstone Commission published its conclusions regarding Israel's Gaza operation (December 27, 2008-January 18, 2009), accusing Israel of violating both international humanitarian law and the Geneva Conventions, and committing war crimes.
In response, the Israel Foreign Ministry issued an official statement accusing the commission of bias and one-sidedness, and of ignoring the thousands of Hamas rocket attacks on Israeli civilians which, Israel claimed, made the military operation an absolute necessity. "The one-sided mandate of the Gaza Fact-Finding Mission, and the resolution that established it, gave serious reasons for concern.... At the same time the report all but ignores the deliberate strategy of Hamas of operating within and behind the civilian population and turning densely populated areas into an arena of battle," said the ministry.
Was the UN commission's approach one-sided against Israel, or unbiased and objective as commission chairman Richard Goldstone contended?
The commission never asked about Palestinian war crimes
Statements of Palestinians recorded by the commission and posted on the UN Web site provide reliable evidence of the commission's methodology and raise serious questions about its intentions to discover the truth. Commission members did not ask the interviewed Palestinians questions about the activities of Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist organizations operating in the Gaza Strip which could be classified as war crimes or that were potentially dangerous to innocent Palestinians. They never asked about:
1. Launching rockets at Israeli towns and villages from within residential dwellings.
2. Firing mortar shells into Palestinian neighborhoods when IDF soldiers were operating in or near the area.
3. Firing anti-tank missiles, rifles and machine guns at Palestinian buildings in Gaza suspected of having been entered by the IDF despite the presence of Palestinian civilians in the area.
4. Seizing private homes from which to ambush IDF units.
5. Booby-trapping houses before and during the war and detonating the bombs.
6. Planting various types of anti-personnel and improvised anti-vehicular bombs near houses and detonating them;
7. Sniping and firing heavy machine guns at Israeli soldiers within residential areas.
None of the statements taken by the commission (as posted on the UN Web site) reported even a single instance of the presence of armed Palestinians, or of Palestinians firing rockets at Israel or shooting at IDF soldiers operating in the Gaza Strip.
There was no serious consideration of Palestinian "friendly fire" incidents, which occur with the most disciplined armies. We can only guess how many Palestinian civilians were killed or wounded by Palestinian fire. In fact, the statements reported that throughout the entire three weeks of fighting there was no significant Palestinian resistance.
The commission did not press the witnesses in order to elicit more information and did not confront them with the reports issued by the terrorist organizations themselves, which detailed the fighting in a way that often contradicted the Palestinian witnesses. It did not adequately examine Palestinian rules of engagement - or the lack of any such rules. In addition, the witnesses hid vital information from the commission regarding the presence of armed terrorists or exchanges of fire in their vicinity, casting doubt on their reliability.
On June 28 and 29, 2009, the Goldstone Commission recorded Palestinian statements at the UNRWA headquarters in Gaza City, and posted the questions and answers on the commission's website. The following is an analysis of the four main statements, the way the commission interpreted them, and reports from other Palestinian sources which contradict the testimony presented to the commission:
Statements from the Silawi family
Three members of the Silawi family were interviewed by the commission: Moussa al-Silawi (91, blind), Sabah al-Silawi (Moussa's wife) and Mouteeh al-Silawi, a Hamas official.
The most detailed statement was that of Mouteeh al-Silawi, deputy director of the Hamas administration's Muslim Religious Endowments Ministry for the northern Gaza Strip, who said he was giving a sermon when the mosque was attacked on January 3.
He claimed that there was no military activity in the Ibrahim al-Maqadma Mosque or around it during the attack. Worshipers came to the mosque seeking a safe haven on the assumption that it was a secure place. The evening and night prayers were said one after another to prevent unnecessary movement of worshipers outside the mosque. Israel committed a war crime in violation of international law by attacking civilians in a mosque, the witness said.
The commission members did not ask about armed men in the mosque, whether it was used for military purposes or incited worshipers to carry out terrorist attacks against Israel. They did not ask if there were weapons in the mosque, if armed men were operating near the mosque, whether Hamas and its Izzadin Kassam Brigades controlled the mosque and used it to recruit operatives, or the identity of the casualties and their organizational affiliation (including members of the Silawi family).
An examination of freely accessible Palestinian sources shows that the casualties in this incident were terrorists and included members of the Silawi family, who were represented to the commission as innocent civilians. Among them: Ibrahim Moussa Issa al-Silawi; Omar Abd al-Hafez Moussa al-Silawi; Sayid Salah Sayid Batah; Ahmed Hamad Hassan Abu Ita; Muhamad Ibrahim al-Tanani; Rajah Nahad Rajah Ziyyada and Ahmed Assad Diyab Tabil.
Statement of Muhammad Fuoad Abu Askar
Muhammad Fuoad Abu Askar represented himself to the commission as the director-general of Hamas's Ministry of Muslim Religious Endowments. He said he had been detained in Israel in 1992 for belonging to Hamas.
He told the commission that his house was "unjustly" blown up by the IDF. He said he had received a telephone call warning him to evacuate the house from someone who identified himself as an IDF representative and that 20 minutes later his house was struck from the air.
Askar said a short time later the area around the Fakhura school was also bombed. The school served as a shelter for many Palestinians from Beit Lahiya, al-Salatin and al-Atatra, who regarded it as a safe haven because it was located in the middle of the refugee camp and it was flying the UNRWA flag. He said he saw three bombs hit the school region and he heard more. Two hit the house of the Diyab family, killing 11 people. Dozens of people were killed near the school and most of the casualties were children, Abu Askar said. There were no armed men in the area, as opposed to Israeli claims, he said. Two of his children, Khaled and Imad, were killed, as was his bother Raafat, all of them, according to Askar, innocent civilians.
Although Muhammad Fuoad Abu Askar admitted being a Hamas operative and having been detained by Israel, the commission did not think to ask whether he was connected with Izzadin Kassam. They did not ask him whether those killed near the school belonged to any organization or were military-terrorist operatives.
An examination of freely accessible Palestinian sources shows that contrary to his claims, he and his sons were directly and closely linked to Izzadin Kassam, a connection that included providing terrorists with weapons and ammunition, and that there were a number of terrorists in the Fakhura school area, including Mohammad Fuoad Abu Askar himself and Khaled Mohammed Fuoad Abu Askar, Mohammad's son. Another son, Ahmed, was killed on July 7, 2006, when he tried to launch an anti-tank missile at an IDF unit, and yet another son Osama was critically wounded fighting the IDF on October 13, 2004.
Others terrorist operatives killed in the same Fakhura school incident included: Bilal Hamzah Obeid, an Izzadin Kassam operative; Raafat Abu Askar, a military-terrorist operative in the security services with the rank of warrant officer; Osama Jemal Obeid, an Izzadin Kassam operative; Iyad Jaber Aman, an Izzadin Kassam operative; Abd Muhammad Abd Qudas, a Fatah operative active in Palestinian Military Intelligence; and Atia Hassan al-Madhoun and his son, Ziyad al-Madhoun, operatives in the Brigades of National Resistance, the military-terrorist wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Statements of Wail and Salah al-Samouni
Wail and Salah al-Samouni described the shelling of Wail's house, where the extended Samouni family had sought shelter and where more than 20 people were killed.
They told the commission: At about 5:30 a.m. on January 5, Wail left the house with other men to bring wood for a fire. As soon as they left the house a helicopter filed a missile at them and then a number of missiles at the house. After the house was hit the wounded proceeded toward Salah a-Din Street and were refused medical attention by IDF soldiers. Salah claimed that the soldiers fired shots over their heads to frighten them and make them leave more quickly. They said there was no activity of armed Palestinians around the house. Salah al-Samouni said that "everyone is a farmer, I swear to Allah that everyone is a farmer," and rejected the possibility that they were armed or wanted.
The commission did not ask about the identity of the dead Palestinians and about the possibility that some of them were terrorists. It did not challenge their claim that there were no armed Palestinians in the area, despite reports by both Palestinian terrorist organizations and the IDF about exchanges of fire in the area.
In addition, the commission did not press the witness about his claim that the soldiers did not provide medical attention, in contradiction of a statement given by a female member of the family who told the NGO B'Tselem that the soldiers had given them medical aid.
An examination of freely accessible Palestinian sources shows that Wail and Salah al-Samouni hid important details from the commission that could shed light on the event. An examination of their statements and the statements of other members of the Samouni family to human rights organizations and published in Palestinian newspapers raises questions as to the veracity of their version of what actually happened on January 5.
Members of the family repeatedly claimed that all the people in the house were ordinary civilians. However, at least three were affiliated with Islamic Jihad. Meisa al-Samouni did not tell B'Tselem that her husband, Tawfiq Rashad Hilmi al-Samouni, who was killed on January 5, was an Islamic Jihad terrorist. She and the other members of the extended family, including Wail and Salah (who gave statements to the Goldstone Commission), never mentioned or hinted that other family members in the house at the time were Islamic Jihad operatives, among them Muhammad Ibrahim Hilmi al-Samouni and Walid Rahad Hilmi al-Samouni. A Islamic Jihad flyer noted that Muhammad and Walid al-Samouni were active in fighting against the IDF in the Zeitun neighborhood.
An Islamic Jihad poster commemorating Muhammad Ibrahim al-Samouni is captioned: "He [Muhammad], along with the mujaheed Walid Rashad al-Samouni, blew up the tank, causing the deaths of a number of Zionists, as admitted by the enemy, on the first night of the ground invasion during the war south of the Zeitun neighborhood."
Statement of Khaled Muhammad Abd Rabbo
Khaled Abd Rabbo reported on the deaths of two of his children on January 7, 2009. Khaled lives in Jabalya, in a four-story house. He and his family did not leave it even when the ground fighting began, he said. He claimed he saw no activity of armed Palestinians in the area.
He said that on January 7 an IDF unit entered the area around his house and positioned tanks nearby. The soldiers used a megaphone to call the residents out of the house. They came out holding a white flag, and one of the soldiers got out of a tank and shot at his children for no reason. He said two of his daughters were killed, another was seriously wounded, and his wife was also wounded.
No questions were asked by the members of the commission, not about the events, or whether there was fighting in the area, or whether there were armed Palestinians.
Contrary to the claims made by Khaled Abd Rabbo, Palestinian sources reported on armed Palestinian activity in the area near the incident and on exchanges of fire between Palestinians and the IDF.
At the time Khaled claimed his daughters were shot by IDF soldiers, four other Palestinians were killed nearby: Ibrahim Abd al-Rahim Suleiman, 19, an Izzadin Kassam operative; Shadi Issam Hamad, 33, a Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine operative; Muhammad Ali al-Sultan, 55, an Izzadin Kassam operative; and Ahmad Adib Faraj Juneid, 26, another Izzadin Kassam operative.
An Izzadin Kassam report reveals information about the exchange of fire between the IDF and armed Palestinians in the area where Khaled Abu Rabbo's daughters were killed, and its closeness in time to the events he reported. His version and the Izzadin Kassam Web site provided similar descriptions of the advance of IDF armored vehicles into the area at the same time.
However, Abu Rabbo did not tell the UN commission about the exchanges of fire between IDF and Izzadin Kassam. The possibility cannot be ruled out that his children were caught in the crossfire and may have been killed by Palestinians.
AS WE can see from a detailed analysis of freely accessible Palestinian sources (in Arabic), competing explanations exist that counter the claims of the Palestinians who testified before the Goldstone Commission. At the same time, questioning by the members of the commission proved to be superficial and was ill-suited to elicit the truth about events in Gaza.
Good read, but next time I
Good read, but next time I would just post the link. Blocks of text in omment sections are a bit distracting
this is an awful post
you have taken up half the entire comments section. as the previous person said, maybe next time just post the link, and put in your summary/opinion.
my (brief, concise, non-boring) response is, if all you said is true, could not the UN security council respond? Furthermore, if Israel co-operated instead of hindering the investigation, would they not be able to respond?
as it stands, has their been a fair, impartial, thorough investigation of the "allegations"?
and dont mention Israel investigating itself, because i just saw a documentary, a settler was video taped shooting 3 people, he admitted it (said it was self defense), and the israeli court let him off saying it was not him. there were 30 witnesses, video, the settler admitting it was him (he's proud of it you see).
Don't post entire news articles
Others, report abuse on such posts, it does work.
Goldstone
Dr Goldstone may benefit from a crash course in Palestinian Sympathy Fatigue
I suspect most of the people
I mostly just don't care at this point. Most of the whole neighborhood in the Middle East is such a black hole for human rights that pointing out that either Israel or Hamas abused them in an active conflict is like pointing out that the sky is blue.
Supposed Bias
Shouldn't it be obvious that Israel's game plan from day one was to refuse to cooperate in any way with the investigation so that they could later accuse the commission of bias when an Israeli perspective wasn't contained in the findings? A few lines from the executive summary:
8. The Mission repeatedly sought to obtain the cooperation of the Government of Israel. After
numerous attempts had failed, the Mission sought and obtained the assistance of the Government
of Egypt to enable it to enter the Gaza Strip through the Rafah crossing.
20. By refusing to cooperate with the Mission, the Government of Israel prevented it from
meeting Israeli government officials, but also from travelling to Israel to meet with Israeli
victims and to the West Bank to meet with Palestinian Authority representatives and Palestinian
victims.
26. In order to provide the parties concerned with an opportunity to submit additional relevant
information and express their position and respond to allegations, the Mission also submitted
comprehensive lists of questions to the Government of Israel, the Palestinian Authority and the
Gaza authorities in advance of completing its analysis and findings. The Mission received replies
from the Palestinian Authority and the Gaza authorities but not from Israel.
Call the report anti-Semitic or anti-Israel or anti-whatever you'd like. Just don't make the ridiculous assertion that the Israeli perspective is underrepresented and claim it as proof of bias in the report.
Of course they did not
Of course they did not cooperate with a mission from the UNHRC, the most biased part of the UN whose raison d'etre is condemning Israel and ignoring everyone else. Not to mention that the purpose of the investigation was to catalogue Israeli war crimes. In other words, they already made their conclusion about war crimes before the investigation began.
Of course it is obvious.
Of course it is obvious. Using phosphorous munitions and cluster bombs in Gaza (an Israeli concentration camp containing many more civilians than militants) is an obvious war crime. One need only open one's eyes.
The point is that now that it has been documented will we cut-off military aid to Israel as required by our Arms Export Control Act?
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If we hadn't criticized the report
"The message to Netanyahu would have been clear: If you want diplomatic cover from us, we'll need more cooperation from you than we’ve been getting."
Well, as Obama's cave to Netanyahu over the settlements indicates, Obama was apparently unaware that hardball involves more than toothless statements.
Obama's "pivot" ( what a brilliant word, turns a belly-flop into a gracile maneuver) dramatically differentiates his approach from Bush, who never would have ordered the Israelis to do anything. Obama issued a strong-sounding diktat, and then swiftly and publicly recanted -- appearing inept and amateurish on a world stage.
Well, now the other leaders see that the mighty US can't discipline a client state that depends on it for its very ability to survive.
Goldstone Report
No moral clarity in your remarks. Just blackmail.