"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" revisited

Tue, 10/13/2009 - 8:53am

The debate about the strategically myopic policy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" has resurfaced again, sparked by a revealing article in the October issue of Joint Force Quarterly. President Obama told the Human Rights Campaign meeting on October 11 that he would end DADT, but he didn't say when. National Security Advisor James Jones clarified matters by saying Obama would end the policy "at the right time." Oh good. What a relief that must be to gay men and women who are already serving, or those that would like to. It's nice to know that ending an unfair and counterproductive policy is on a strict timetable. I just hope Obama doesn't start talking about a "roadmap," because then we know nothing will change.

I have nothing to add to my earlier comments on this issue, but I'm pleased that the author of the JFQ article apparently agrees.



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Oh THAT Don't Ask Don't

Oh THAT Don't Ask Don't Tell!

I thought you were talking about our attitude to Israeli nuclear weapons....

I thought it was about Israels nukes

When you wrote about "don't ask --don't tell" I thought you meant the established practice -- reaffirmed recently -- that The United States of America will not ask, and consequently will get no answers from Israel about its nuclear weapons.

WASHINGTON TIMES, October 2, 2009, :EXCLUSIVE: Obama agrees to keep Israel's nukes secret

by Eli Lake

President Obama has reaffirmed a 4-decade-old secret understanding that has allowed Israel to keep a nuclear arsenal without opening it to international inspections, three officials familiar with the understanding said.

The officials, who spoke on the condition that they not be named because they were discussing private conversations, said Mr. Obama pledged to maintain the agreement when he first hosted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House in May.

Under the understanding, the U.S. has not pressured Israel to disclose its nuclear weapons or to sign the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which could require Israel to give up its estimated several hundred nuclear bombs.

Israel had been nervous that Mr. Obama would not continue the 1969 understanding because of his strong support for nonproliferation and priority on preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The U.S. and five other world powers made progress during talks with Iran in Geneva on Thursday as Iran agreed in principle to transfer some potential bomb fuel out of the country and to open a recently disclosed facility to international inspection.

Mr. Netanyahu let the news of the continued U.S.-Israeli accord slip last week in a remark that attracted little notice. He was asked by Israel's Channel 2 whether he was worried that Mr. Obama's speech at the U.N. General Assembly, calling for a world without nuclear weapons, would apply to Israel.

"It was utterly clear from the context of the speech that he was speaking about North Korea and Iran," the Israeli leader said. "But I want to remind you that in my first meeting with President Obama in Washington I received from him, and I asked to receive from him, an itemized list of the strategic understandings that have existed for many years between Israel and the United States on that issue. It was not for naught that I requested, and it was not for naught that I received [that document]."

Frankly I think its about the

Frankly I think its about the right time. From the signs from the individual states homosexuality is having a tremendous shift towards acceptance, and I will be very shocked if the Supreme Court doesn't rule in favor of homosexual marriage in the next decade. If compared to previous civil rights cases and bills in the past the military is a good indicator of what can be considered acceptable to a conservative early on.

WH in talks with Congress to repeal DADT?

I just read (via the Center for American Progress) an article that suggests something may actually be in the works with Congress - although I don't expect anything to materialise before mid to late 2010...
The article says in substance that the WH has been reaching out to (among others) Liebermann as a member of the Armed Services Committee who might welcome the opportunity to show his liberal side for once.
I agree that DADT is not only discriminatory but counter-productive as well, and that it should be repealed (especially after having read that apparently 2 people are discharged per day because of it) but Congress won't want such a partisan bill to disprupt the delicate compromises they're trying to reach on other issues.
Anyway, here's the link to the article (from an advocacy website, so I guess some critical perspective is in order):
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/White_House_Talks_DADT_Repeal_With_Lieberman/

If Obama ends DADT

You are going to have hell to pay with the military. That being said, DADT is not long for this world. It will be ended, and I think real soon.

DADT hurts straight women too

@ moderatewinger: There's already being hell paid by the military. One of the Air Forces' artificial ways of keeping the rape statistics down and penalizing women who turn down sexual advances is threatening soldiers with being discharged a la DADT.

It's the A^^hole upper Pentagon which needs DADT to keep their rape statistics artificially low and not actually make women soldiers welcome that keeps DADT in place.

Every gay joke has an overly 'feminised' man as the butt of it, but why is 'feminisation' the butt of a joke? Because homophobes hate women too.

(Info from NYT article on sunday and servicemember's legal defense network)

DADT

I don't understand the objections.