Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 5:08 PM

Yesterday Israel approved the construction of 900 new housing units in East Jerusalem. The White House said it was "dismayed," declared that "these actions make it more difficult to our efforts to succeed" (duhhh, that's the idea!) and reiterated its belief that the status of Jerusalem should be resolved through negotiation.
Needless to say, the alleged "dismay" was not accompanied by concrete action to encourage the Netanyahu government to reconsider its position. Instead, the White House underscored its de facto capitulation by altering the title of its own press release. As Spencer Ackerman reports here, the original press release was entitled ""Statement by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on the Approval of Settlement Expansion in Jerusalem" (my emphasis). That rather bland expression was apparently too hot, however, so the words "approval of settlement expansion" were stripped from the title of online version that appeared later. If you access it now, it is merely a "Statement by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on Jerusalem."
But if you really want to see the contortions that our brain-dead policy imposes on long-suffering press secretaries, read the following excerpt from State Department spokesman Ian Kelly's press briefing yesterday, and ask yourself if this how a representative of the world's most powerful country ought to sound. (It's not Kelly's fault, by the way, insofar as his job is to defend the indefensible).
QUESTION: On the peace process, Israel has approved today the construction of 900 new housing units in East Jerusalem. How do you view this approval at this specific time?
MR. KELLY: Well, I think, Michel, you've heard us say many times that we believe that neither party should engage in any kind of actions that could unilaterally preempt or appear to preempt negotiations. And I think that we find the Jerusalem Planning Committee's decision to move forward on the approval of the -- approval process for the expansion of Gilo in Jerusalem as dismaying. This is at a time when we're working to re-launch negotiations, and we believe that these actions make it more difficult for our efforts to succeed. So we object to this, and we object to other Israeli practices in Jerusalem related to housing, including the continuing pattern of evictions and demolitions of Palestinian homes. And -- just to repeat what we've said all along, our position on Jerusalem is clear. We believe that the - that Jerusalem is a permanent status issue that must be resolved through negotiations between the two parties.
QUESTION: Can you tell us, did this come up in Ambassador Mitchell's meetings in London yesterday? Apparently, we were told that he met an advisor to Netanyahu, asked them to not permit these new buildings, and then that request was flatly turned down.
MR. KELLY: Yeah. Andy, I just don't want to get into the substance of these negotiations. They're sensitive. I think you've seen the Israeli -- some Israeli press reports that did report that this was raised in the meetings. ... But I don't want to get into the substance of the discussions yesterday in London. ...
QUESTION: How long is the U.S. going to continue to tolerate Israel's violation of international law? I mean, soon it's not even going to be possible -- there's not going to be any land left for the Palestinians to establish an independent state.
MR. KELLY: Well, again, this is a -- we understand the Israeli point of view about Jerusalem. But we think that all sides right now, at this time when we're expending such intense efforts to try and get the two sides to sit down, that we should refrain from these actions, like this decision to move forward on an approval process for more housing units in East Jerusalem.
QUESTION: But should U.S. inaction, or in response to Israel's actions, then be interpreted as some sort of about-face in policy - the President turning his back on the promises he's made to the Palestinians?
MR. KELLY: You're -- okay, you're using language that I wouldn't use. I mean, again, our focus is to get these negotiations started. We're calling on both parties to refrain from actions, from - and from rhetoric that would impede this process. It's a challenging time, and we just need to focus on what's important here, and that's --
QUESTION: Well, what actions (inaudible) the Palestinians taken recently that would impede progress?
MR. KELLY: Well, as I say, we would discourage all unilateral actions, and I think --
QUESTION: Fair enough. But the Palestinians --
MR. KELLY: We talked yesterday --
QUESTION: -- don't appear to be taking any unilateral actions. It seems to be (inaudible).
MR. KELLY: Well, we did talk yesterday about the - and I want to make sure I get my language right here - about the - discouraging any kind of unilateral appeal for United Nations Security Council recognition of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. That would fall in that category of unilateral actions.
QUESTION: Okay. So the Palestinian call for this, which was rejected by both the EU and yourself yesterday, you're putting that on the same level as them building -- as the Israelis building --
MR. KELLY: No, I'm not saying that. You just said that, Matt. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that --
QUESTION: Well, you're saying you're calling on both sides to stop doing these things.
MR. KELLY: We are.
QUESTION: Yeah. But the rhetoric from the --
MR. KELLY: I'm not saying they're equivalent.
QUESTION: -- Palestinians is not actually constructed in a --
MR. KELLY: I'm not saying they're equivalent. I'm just saying that we -- they -- we have to treat these things as sensitive issues.
QUESTION: You said a little bit earlier that we understand the Israeli point of view on Jerusalem. Can you explain what you mean by that?
MR. KELLY: Well, you have to ask -- I'm not going to stand up here and characterize the Israeli point of view on --
QUESTION: No. I'm just asking you, if you understand the Israeli point of view on Jerusalem, why are you saying that this is not a good thing?
MR. KELLY: I'm not saying we support the Israeli point of view. We understand it.
QUESTION: Right. And then, last one on this, you characterized this decision by the planning commission as dismaying.
MR. KELLY: Yes.
QUESTION: You can't come up with anything stronger than "dismaying"? I mean, this flies in the face of everything you've been talking about for months and months and months.
MR. KELLY: It's dismaying.
QUESTION: Yeah, you can't offer a condemnation of it or anything like that? (Laughter.) I mean, who is in charge of the language here.
MR. KELLY: I have said what I have said, Mr. Lee. . .
QUESTION: Would you say, though, that your own envoy has - does he have any leverage at this point, given the fact that the Israelis not only refuse, but blatantly have ignored his wishes on this?
MR. KELLY: Well, let's take a step back and let's also recognize that both sides agree on the goal, and that goal is a comprehensive peace. That goal is two states living side by side in peace and security and cooperation. So that is why we continue to be committed to this. That is why Special Envoy Mitchell meets with both sides at every opportunity, and why we are continuing to expend such efforts on this. So let's remember that, that we do share a common goal.
QUESTION: Well, where's Senator Mitchell today?
MR. KELLY: I believe Senator Mitchell is on his way back today.
QUESTION: Could you give us just a brief synopsis of the progress that Senator Mitchell has made in his months on the job?
MR. KELLY: Well, I think we have - we've gotten --
QUESTION: Yeah, maybe if the --
MR. KELLY: -- both sides to agree on this goal. We have gotten both sides --
QUESTION: Ian, they agreed on the goal years ago. I mean, that's not --
MR. KELLY: Well, I think that we - this government --
QUESTION: You mean you got the Israel Government to say, yes, we're willing to accept a Palestinian state? You got Netanyahu to say that, and that's his big accomplishment?
MR. KELLY: That is an accomplishment.
QUESTION: But previous Israeli administration - previous Israeli governments had agreed to that already.
MR. KELLY: Okay, all right.
QUESTION: So in other words, the bottom line is that, in the list of accomplishments that Mitchell has come up with or established since he started, is zero.
MR. KELLY: I wouldn't say zero.
QUESTION: Well, then what would you say it is?
MR. KELLY: Well, I would say that we've gotten both sides to commit to this goal. They have - we have - we've had a intensive round or rounds of negotiations, the President brought the two leaders together in New York. Look --
QUESTION: But wait, hold on. You haven't had any intense --
MR. KELLY: Obviously --
QUESTION: There haven't been any negotiations.
MR. KELLY: Obviously, we're not even in the red zone yet, okay.
QUESTION: Thank you.
MR. KELLY: I mean, we're not -- but it's -- we are less than a year into this Administration, and I think we've accomplished more over the last year than the previous administration did in eight years.
QUESTION: Well, I - really, because the previous administration actually had them sitting down talking to each other. You guys can't even get that far.
MR. KELLY: All right ... Give us a chance ...
QUESTION: It seems Senator Mitchell is focusing in his meetings on the Israeli side. Is he -- does he have any plans to talk with the Palestinians, or there is no need now for that?
MR. KELLY: Well, he, as I say, he had meetings yesterday with the Israelis. He's coming back to the U.S. now. He always stands ready to talk to both sides. There are no plans at this moment to meet with the Palestinian side."
One comment: Can you imagine what most neoconservatives would say if the United States acted this way towards any other country? Cries of "appeasement" and "cowardice" would ring from the rafters, and Obama and his team would be dismissed as feckless lightweights who simply weren't up to the job of serious, hard-nosed diplomacy. For some reason, neocons insist that America show firmness and resolve when dealing with every other country in the world, but they are happy when Uncle Sam rolls over and plays dead whenever there's a disagreement with Israel. To repeat a point I've made before: this situation is not good for either country, and that reality will become increasingly clear in the months and years ahead.
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Readers may be interested in viewing this recent Dispatches special from Channel 4, on Britain's Israel Lobby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POtk6G7q4Bw
Nothing to add, except to cringe at what the other world leaders President Obama has been meeting think of a "great" power's subservience to a client state.
Pitiful helpless giant?
Let me say up front that I have no great sympathy for the Palestinians, or at least for their political leadership, and even less for their patrons in other Arab states. Iran, making trouble in the area for no good reason at all, is beyond the pale altogether. I am also well aware that a great deal of the objection to Israeli policy, and more generally to Israel, in this country is basically the same objection to Jews that has been around for centuries. This fact has undermined the arguments of those who object to the American government being so reflexively supportive of anything the Israeli government chooses to do.
Having said all that, the appearance presented in this briefing is one of weakness that borders on pathetic. Fundamentally, the issue is the Obama administration's having allowed itself to be completely intimidated by the domestic political implications of challenging those aspects of Israeli policy that serve no American interest and complicate our relations with many foreign countries. The administration appears to accept the logic that any disagreement with Israel will be interpreted in the United States as the administration's fault, and will put its foreign and domestic priorities at risk.
It is hard to imagine a more persuasive explanation for following the President's speech in Cairo with a performance like the one quoted here. On top of that, the political calculation is wrong. American supporters of Israel who feel strongly enough about expanding Jewish settlements on the West Bank and in disputed areas of Jerusalem mostly view President Obama with the same contemptuous disregard the Netanyahu government does now, and most of those who don't are unlikely to object so strongly to a firmer policy that they will withhold support for other administration policies.
At worst, some Obama supporters who support Israel might be uncomfortable and even disappointed if the administration showed a less obsequious public face to the Netanyau government. That is no great danger. In fact, this administration will be forced to run much larger domestic political risks on other issues before Obama's first term is out. If it is willing to accept this level of indignity on this issue, how will it stand up to the much more difficult challenges in its near future?
Same Old Same Old Courtesy of Steve Walt
Bibi must just love Barack; after all, he couldn't ask for a better political ally. Bibi came into office after his party placed second in Israel's recent elections. His coalition was bickering and shaky and pundits were taking bets on how long it would last. Now, after just a few short months of "change we can believe in," Bibi is more popular than ever in Israel, Barack Obama is so unpopular that he can't bring his approval numbers out of the single digits and Obama's "Cairo Speech" looks like the pandering that it actually was. The pies de resistance is that Obama's approval numbers in the Arab world are beginning to decline and are surely about to fall off a cliff.
The most interesting part of the interview is where the questioner says. "...the previous administration actually had them sitting down talking to each other. You guys can't even get that far." The best Kelly can say is "all right...give us a chance."
Maybe its time for President Obama to get Dubya on the phone, apologize for all of those nasty things he said about the Bush foreign policy and beg Bush for some advice. Maybe Clinton and Mitchell can get Condi Rice and Elliot Abrams on the phone and ask them for some pointers too. After all, even Steve Walt has commented recently that the Obama policy on the Middle East just might look even worse than the Bush policy.
Of course, Steve Walt is just as deluded as the Obama Administration is. In this post he ridicules the Obama Administration for not standing up to the Israelis. What Walt neglects to tell us is exactly how he expects the Administration to do that.
After all, Israel is fervently supported by millions of American Jews and Christian Zionists. American polls consistently show that approval rates for Israel inevitably hover in the 50-60 percent range regardless of what Israel does or doesn't do. Congress is overwhelmingly supportive of Israel as the recent House vote on the Goldstone Report shows. If AIPAC pushed for a vote on the Goldstone Report in the Senate (which supposedly it isn't doing at the request of Senators Kerry and Lugar) the vote to condemn Goldstone would have been even more overwhelming. While the vast majority of Americans don’t care about the Israel-Palestine dispute one way or the other, those that do, vote. And those votes are crucial in swing states like Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio and in big states like New York and California.
Contrast this to the way Americans react to the Palestinians. The American view of Palestinians is overwhelmingly negative. To the extent that Americans think about Palestinian aspirations at all (and the vast majority never think about it) they view Palestinians through the lens of airplanes crashing into the Twin Towers and Nidal Malik Hasan's terrorist act at Fort Hood.
What Walt can’t seem to fathom is that Obama can’t do anything but complain about Israeli behavior he doesn’t like not because he doesn’t want to, but because he doesn’t have the political support to act. In case Walt and his fellow travelers don’t realize it; the United States is a democracy; there is a large, energized base of Israel supporters who vote, contribute to political campaigns and otherwise avail themselves of their First Amendment rights. Whether you denigrate them as being a member of some nefarious “lobby” as Walt does or whether you think that they are operating in the finest traditions of American Democracy doesn’t matter.
Conversely, supporters of the Palestinians, to the extent they exist at all, couldn’t organize themselves out of a paper bag.
In light of the political realities, Walt would be far more productive if instead of ridiculing Obama for doing what he isn’t able to do, he made practical and realistic recommendations for how progress could actually be made in the real world; not the fantasy world that pundits and Harvard professors typically inhabit.
You've just written the epitaph for 60 years of misguided American Mideast policy, and an outline for how future history books will recount the collapse of that policy and the disasters that followed.
It must be very fulfilling to realize that the American people can be flummoxed constantly because of our bad educational system, distorted news reportage and mis-characterization of entire peoples by our "entertainment" industry.
Plus, the artificial and corrupt influence of a lobby, which operates in the same fine tradition as the health industry, gun, auto industry, financial system, drug company and other fine examples of -- democracy?
If that's democracy, the world's oldest profession is a sacrament.
The supporters of the Palestinians and the Palestinians themselves are organizing themselves quite well. You may have heard of Hezbollah and Hamas, and whatever aid we give Israel in its scorched earth responses will end up uniting eve more people against us, with success to match our great victories in Iran and Afghanistan.
Good job!
Zionists are busily working hard to make sure American children are mentally colonized:
Joachim, find somewhere else to play
Stop promoting your obtuse ramblings here!
Amen.
So now Joachim is using sock puppets?
In the finest form of internet echoing, Galensword is just another screen name for the Jew-hating screed.
Israeli is number 1 ally, and thats the bottom line
Fact is, does Prof. Walt suggest we start throwing our allies under the bus, as he almost did in Cairo? Israel is our number one ally whose strong PM is forced to stand up to demands so unreasonable that Bibi couldn't countenance them without his coalition falling apart. But you know that. I read your "setting the record straight"; not convinced. Please stick to the intellectual strengths that brought you to where you are, and minimize your hard-left anti-Israel semantic provocation. Obama understands the reality on the ground, and albeit indecisively so, is dealing with it practically. Theres no reason to get into a sh*t slinging contest over building in Gilo, an area that in any final status negotiations will be kept by Israeli anyway. No big deal. The bigger problem resides with the maelstrom brewing inside the P.A. right now.If things do inevitably get worse in the future, it is because of Iranian outreach and not because of Jews building apartments. The argument is absurd that settlements could possibly be the penultimate factor making final-status talks impossible, Jerusalem or otherwise. Lets be real, Professor.
Israel continues to be America's most costly albatross, a nation with a well-financed and apparently untouchable lobby that directs our Mideast policy -- stirring constant and growing fury with our country all over the world.
Both wars we are engaged in are fundamentally outgrowths of this nutty policy, costing us billions, in addition to the billions we pour into Israel every year.
In return, we get a client state with a government that jury, once again, publicly humiliated our president while he was visiting in China.
Our Congress is so supine that I have no doubt it would congratulate the IAF for a nuclear strike on Nebraska, in retaliation for Chuck Hagel's criticism, and would apologize for our negligence in failing to refuel the Israeli jts.
Ease up. Pyramidland, Jordan and Land of the Pure get tons more bling than Little Satan.
If hanging out and keeping faith with nation states that reflect Great Satan's values hurts the feelings of any of Arab League's 22 illegit despotries - even better.
OK, how is it any ally? Helping us in the fight against terrorism created because it is our ally does not count, obviously.
We certainly do a LOT for Israel.
What does Israel do for us?
Walt's veneer getting scraped off blog by blog
I remember when Walt and Mearsheimer came out with their Jew hating, I'm sorry, anti-Jewish lobby, book.
The professors swore up and down that they weren't Israel bashers and Jew haters.
Unsurprisingly enough, we find that two years later, Walt's sole gravy train commentary rests on the single issue of bashing of Israel and the Jews.
But we shouldn't think that Walt has it in for us. He's only concerned with the US as a realist.
Seems like ALL the Hasbara guys and gals think so.
I'm disappointed that you didn't somehow work in the term "blood libel" into this typical nonsensical equation of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.
Those of us who used to enjoy reading the large double-truck ads in the NYT featuring the Marxist drivel of former leader Kim Il-sung for their creative invective miss the "running dogs" and "lap dogs" fireworks that glistened like an oil slick on top of the sludge.
Alas, the Zionists have shown themselves to be unable to math the dear departed murderer's creativity.
All we get are the same recycled and ultimately boring lines, apparently crafted in the 15th century. "Anti-Semite," self-hating-Jew," "revisionist" (filched from Marxism) "Jew-hater" etc.
The lack of originality is as boring as the labels are toothless. Fewer and fewer people take them seriously, only the fear of retribution that the powerful Israeli lobby can wield has any effect.
The screams and suffering of the Zionists' victim are exciting, but only to the Jewish racial supremacists for whom these outrages serve as self-glorifying pornography.
The rest of us, after the boredom wears off, are disgusted.
Pro-Israel activists and verbal abuse
Jacob Blues -- It's interesting: one rarely encounters someone who uses the nasty term "Jew hater" who isn't overflowing with hate and fanaticism (Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs is the preeminent example -- she provides a cornucopia of material). Classic psychological projection. You know that other savory terms will likely be in the near vicinity: Islamofascists, self-hating Jews, blood libel, jihadists, the enemies of the Jews, the Land of Israel, our enemies, traitors, Eretz Yisrael, Judea and Samaria, etc. The bombastic and violent language patterns are typical of messianic fascist movements in all times and places. I suspect that this pattern personal attacks by pro-Israel activists on their opponents is doing more damage to Israel than any other single cause.
Jacob Blues wrote:
"I remember when Walt and Mearsheimer came out with their Jew hating...."
Really Jacob, is that the best you can do? Who exactly do you think you are persuading here with this? Or fooling?
Far more diagnostic of yourself than Walt or Mearsheimer: Just what is it exactly that you believe elevated you to the grand moral plane to pass such judgments?
Don't you realize how monumentally self-regarding and self-obsessed this kind of thing is?
Take a step down dude; you can't read men's souls any better than the rest of us.
Israel is our number one ally whose strong PM is forced to stand up to demands so unreasonable that Bibi couldn't countenance them without his coalition falling apart.
Then let his coalition all apart. I'd take Livni over Bibi.
The argument is absurd that settlements could possibly be the penultimate factor making final-status talks impossible, Jerusalem or otherwise.
From the Palestinian perspective, they are the big factor - and guess what, the Palestinians happen to be one of the partners in said "negotiations".
Actually since one can remember; and that is since many moons ago, the US had always rolled over and played dead when it comes to Israel. There was a breif period during Bush Snr's administration when Washington made a stand against Israel, but that administration lasted for one term anyway.
very few people in the Arab world as well as in Israel, expected President Obama to succeed in his efforts in pressurising Israel in favour of the Palestinians, though the overwhelming majority of Arabs wished that he succeeds, and I imagine the majority of Israelis did not.
khairi janbek.paris/france
Is Obama's Mideast policy being sabotaged from within?
Interesting article today from Israel National News:
White House Officials: Clinton Embarassing Us
White House officials told the New Republic magazine this week that the Obama administration has been embarrassed at least twice by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, for revealing in public information and policies that the State Department was supposed to keep private between Israel, the Palestinian Authority, and the U.S. According to the sources, Clinton was not supposed to reveal publicly the U.S. demand that Israel institute a total building freeze in Judea and Samaria, fearing that it would lead to a confrontation with Israel – which it did, after U.S. President Barack Obama publicly backed Clinton. The second instance was the famous statement by Clinton in a joint press conference with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on October 31, when Clinton said that Netanyahu had undertaken "unprecedented concessions," a comment that angered the PA leadership. According to the sources, Clinton has been getting bad advice from her advisers.
It's not clear how you can try to blame this on neocons, as they are not even close to being in power at this current time. The left is in full control of the President and Congress, and so this is the fault of those whom you have boosted, not the bogeymen you've been trying to whip up against for the past decade.
AIPAC is in control of the Republican and Democratic Parties
AIPAC, which is essentially a neoconservative outfit, is as much in control of the Republican and Democratic Parties, and the US Congress, now as it was during the Bush 43 administration. The Obama administration is heavily populated by passionate pro-Israel activists with close ties to the Israel lobby.
One has only to look at the outrageous bipartisan, near total compliance that accompanies any vote on AIPAC written bills and initiatives Usually 80 to 90 percent voting agreement.
Israeli ops in the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party
Just the tip of the iceberg:
Ann Lewis, Barney Frank, Charles Schumer, David Axelrod, Dennis Ross, Eliot Engel, Haim Saban, Harry Reid, Howard Berman, Howard Wolfson, Jacob Lew, James Steinberg, Jane Harman, Joseph Lieberman, Lawrence Summers, Mark Penn, Martin Indyk, Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel, Richard Holbrooke, Steny Hoyer, Steve Grossman, Susan Estrich
One would hope that after being sucker-punched twice and taking a blow to his reputation that cannot be repaired, Ambassador Mitchell would resign in protest.
I did note that shortly after seeing the dispatch that Mitchell had been ordered back by the President to the area, presumably to specifically address the planned Gilo extension, Mrs. Clinton immediately humiliated him.
It is a shame that the President cannot fire Mrs. Clinton but when your government is actually directory of Democrat Senators with big egos and conflicting agendas, such is life.
I feel obliged to state that I am a big Obama supporter but such is the compromise he had to make to ascend to the Presidency.
I know I am repeating myself, but right from the start, President Obama told the Arabs what they wanted to hear, so that they can feel reassured enough, to push Mr. Abbas to the table of negotiations; becoming thus a "bete noire" for the Israelis, while Sec. Clinton told the Israelis what they wanted to hear in turn, so that Bibi can feel reassured enough to return to the table of negotiations; becoming thus a "bete noire" for the Arabs. In a sense [good cop-bad cop scenario].
The only one whom felt totally cheated and without assurances is Mr. Abbas, so he refused to play ball. Mind you, he might surprise everyone yet, and return to the negotiations.
khairi janbek.paris/france
Systematically dismantling the Obama administration
I think you are reading too much calculation and cleverness into the Obama administration on Mideast policy. My take is that this is an administration coming apart at the seams because of its inability to handle the Israeli government and the Israel lobby. The lobby is systematically undercutting, ridiculing and dismantling Obama. Netanyahu is treating Obama as a waiter, a person of no consequence.
I neither think Mr. Obama is that naive, nor Sec. Clinton is that much of a novice to underestimate the power of the Jewish Lobby in the US, or the way the government of Israel; especially under Bibi and his current coalition partners will react. What they did is the only straightforward thing to do in the hope of starting the peace process.
All the "moderate" Arab leaders whom had met President Obama in Washington, pledged their support publicly for his peace plans in the Middle East. I doubt they would have come out publicly as such, to support plans they were unaware of.
khairi janbek.paris/france
I do believe that Mr. Abbas requires no pushing whatsoever as he is willing in mind and body. It is the Palestinian people who required pushing to a conference table where their aspirations will be deceived and they will be asked to cheerfully consume whatever crumbs drop to the floor giving thanks for the generous banquet laid before them.
I feel Mr. Abbas does need pushing to the table, becaue he realises he is in the situation of damned if he does, and doomed if he doesn't. So he opted for retirement rather than, negotiating while knowing beforehand, that what he has now is what he will get even if he negotiates.
Alas, the tragdy of the palestinian people has constantly been propounded by their leadership.
khairi janbek.paris/france
It is easy for me to sit here, type on this blog and say that this exchange was a pathetic excuse for a State Department press conference. But that is exactly what it was. Not one mention of HOW the Israelis are finding room to expand Jewish settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem (destroying Palestinian homes). Not one mention of how angry the U.S. Government is over Israeli defiance and their predisposition for intolerant behavior. Not one mention of Palestinian grievances...and, of course, not one mention of what is actually going on between the Israelis and Palestinians. It is hard for me to say- and it will be harder for Obama lovers to accept this fact- but Mr. Kelly deliberately lied to the Press Corps throughout that entire news conference.
"We've gotten both sides to commit to this goal." I beg to differ. Can you honestly say that the Israeli Government is serious about a "comprehensive peace?" This is a laughable statement, and some reporters in the press corps actually did laugh. The Israelis have been extraordinarily difficult to deal with, and there is no evidence that they are willing to change their behavior for the good of a comprehensive peace plan. The Palestinians have shown the Israelis good faith consistently over the past two years, namely by significantly cracking-down on militant activity within the West Bank. The Israelis have not returned the favor in any substantial way. Settlement construction continues, and hundreds upon hundreds of roadblocks are still prevalent throughout the Palestinian Territories; a perfect microcosm of the humiliation surrounding the occupation.
Plus, it seems that Mr. Kelly has failed to recognize the motives behind the newly-approved settlement plan. It should be rather obvious that this action is direct retaliation for the Palestinian attempt of unilateral statehood. Mr. Netanyahu said so much himself, saying that the Israeli Government would respond with equal force in the event of a unilaterally-declared Palestinian state. Or perhaps this is Israel's way of preventing the Palestinians from appealing to the U.N. Security Council in the first place. Either way, the United States has not publicly understood the full extent of the Israeli decision.
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How much of this might have to do with domestic policy? IE, appeasing Joe Lieberman to secure his filibuster-breaking health care vote?
Hats off to the press questioners in that Kelly interview - they really held his balls to the fire. This type of thing just makes the Obama Administration look like feckless cowards, promising big things but being too cowardly to actually act on them.
In light of the political realities, Walt would be far more productive if instead of ridiculing Obama for doing what he isn’t able to do, he made practical and realistic recommendations for how progress could actually be made in the real world;
Walt actually has made recommendations. If I remember right, he actually supports the Palestinian attempt at unilateral state declaration in the UN (which pisses off the Israelis, because then they can't use the possibility of negotiations as a means to buy time to conduct more land invasions in the West Bank).
Congress is overwhelmingly supportive of Israel as the recent House vote on the Goldstone Report shows.
We'll see. The vote on Goldstone was a non-binding resolution. But suppose Obama were to threaten to block any aid without requirements that it not be used for settlement construction, and until the Israelis halt settlement construction period? Congress could try to pass it over his head, but it would be an ugly fight, and it would be easy for people to attack Congress openly for supporting Israeli land invasions.
Whether you denigrate them as being a member of some nefarious “lobby” as Walt does or whether you think that they are operating in the finest traditions of American Democracy doesn’t matter.
Personally, I think people who lobby for another state's interest in the United States should be looked down upon more, and that's not just with regards to Israel. But that's just me - I despise having the US drawn into a bunch of long-standing ethnic bullshit because some group has their panties in a knot over something happening on the other side of world.
but Mr. Kelly deliberately lied to the Press Corps throughout that entire news conference.
I'm sympathetic to Kelly (although not his positions), since he's stuck arguing whatever his boss propounds, no matter how ridiculous or stupid it sounds. Personally, I'd much prefer that Obama had been forced to answer those questions.
This, by the way, is why the US really needs a Question Time equivalent like what the Brits have.
So much for your adherence to the 1st amendment, Brett
"Personally, I think people who lobby for another state's interest in the United States should be looked down upon more"
Thankfully, extremists like you don't run the country.
I don't think he is suggesting that People should not be able to speak their mind freely. But, no one is openly saying that they would like the US to help pay to ethnically cleanse the occupied territories and create an apartheid state over the remaining Palestinian population, even though that is what they are interested in doing.
The Israeli SETTLERS say that and even worse, but no on in the US who is working to assist them ever says it quite that way, or even says that much at all about it. In fact, most people who support this cause spend most of their time smearing Critics of US-Israeli policy. They almost NEVER initiate discussion of it. That's the way it goes on the internet and in the media.
Rather, AIPAC and other ultra right wing supporters of the settlements seem to work most effectively behind the scenes, like the two top AIPAC representatives who were indicted on espionage charges for illegally receiving classified intel on Iran and passing to the Israeli government for the purpose of fomenting war between the US and Iran.
The FBI was wiretapping another Israeli spy at the time and heard him offer Jane Harman a shot at a key intelligence chair if she agreed to interfere in the espionage trial of the two AIPAC operatives.
He said that he would get Haim Saban to blackmail Nancy pelosi (by threatening to withhold millions of Dollars of contributions to the democratic party) unless she made Harman the chair of that committee. Harman agreed (and ended the call by saying "this conversation never happened")
and so did Saban.
Now, no one is attempting to use their "1st amendment rights" in this case; in fact, quite the opposite, they are trying to avoid detection and prosecution for illegal acts that they use to force their agenda upon the rest of us through espionage, graft and blackmail.
For the amount of money that we spend propping up the occupation and settlements, you could give free dental to the entire U.S.
Instead, we get 9/11. If you take the cost of 9/11 and it's aftermath, you could have paid for free health care for every American for decades to come.
Thankfully, extremists like you don't run the country.
I didn't say "ban", I said "looked down upon more". There's a large dose of hypocrisy involved with it, too - if there were a large Iranian contingent openly lobbying on behalf of better relations with the Iranian theocratic government, do you think anybody would think highly of them? They'd be regarded as a virtual fifth-column, particularly by the people busy lobbying for Israel.
I know many of these people think they are helping both the US and their country of interest, but I think we need some pushback against that position. While it shouldn't be illegal for them to lobby for their country, they shouldn't exactly be beaming with pride over it.
Please get your facts correct Mr. Walt
Again you are trying to make this an issue of Netanyahu and the current government.
This a 9 year old plan that was put forward by the Jerusalem Municipality. Even if Netanyahu was so inclined, and he surely isn't, he has limited abilities in this situation.
Prime Ministers don't ordinarily get involved with municipal planning anymore than a US President is involved in construction in Baltimore....
What I would like to hear from Mr. Walt and other critics is why Jewish landowners whose titles date back hundreds of years can't build?
The Jerusalem municipality also approved over the last week some 500 housing units in Arab neighborhoods this week, some only dating back to the 1950s. A disproportionate amount considering the Arab population is much smaller than Jewish. And for those not aware it has been like that for hundreds of years. If there is to be a moratorium on building then should it not be applied equally? If not why not?
Sorry, but the mille feuilles history of the area, makes the argument of how many people from more than two sides, bring out land deeds from God knows what hisrtory, rather redundant.
The fact remains, that contrary to all international legality and conventions Israel has annexed Jerusalem, and still gets away with it. The Israeli Basic Law of 1980 states " Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel". In effect a law which needs a majority of 61 MKs to overturn. ie. Near Miracle.
Also, the Jerusalem Municipal Plan of 2004 accordingly calls for " a firm Jewish majority in the city, through a planning process to maintian 70-30% Jewish-Arab population ratio in jerusalem.
khairi janbek.paris/france
That's part of the reason why I'm skeptical we'll ever realistically negotiate our way to two states. No Palestinian leader could agree to give up sovereignty in East Jerusalem without losing his power and probably his life (Arafat said something like "he'd be killed in the streets by his own people"), and the only time the Israeli government came close to giving up jurisdiction in that area was near the end of Barak's negotiations in 2000, when he was desperate to make a peace deal to save his position and head off the looming Intifada.
The Law of Diminishing Retruns
What your good self is being generously sceptical about, I would personally call a non-starter. The history of Palestinian-Israeli peace negotiations has been subject to the law of diminishing returns regarding the establishment of a Palestinian state since Oslo.
In any case, Jordan is the custodian of the Holy Shrines in Jerusalem; except the Jewish Holy Shrines of course, according to the Wadi Araba peace treaty.
khairi janbek.paris/france
An important point to consider is that the US appears to be actually supporting the status quo of settlement EXPANSION, while quelling any possible avenue that the Palestinians might engage in to put an end to it. We are "dismayed" (wink wink). They are being "unhelpful". (wink wink). The Israelis are taking "unprecedented"actions toward peace (almost unbridled , barely stifled laughter)
We have are soon going to be a world laughing stock and in even GREATER danger of middle eastern terrorist blow back after the Cairo speech. It's flowery rhetoric can now be described as a series of out and out lies, which were either premeditated, or became lies due to a complete collapse of will in the face of what appears to be no pressure at all. It really doesn't matter which.
I have to say that my support and respect for the Obama administration and the entire democratic party is eroding by the day.
We will continue to be screwed by the insurance companies with no viable, strong public option and legislation that forces the entire nation to buy insurance from these crooks or face legal consequences. They are going to sell out to the insurance lobby completely and call it progress.
Meanwhile, our middle eastern policy has just become, officially, all Israel, all the time, regardless of what they do, and regardless of whether it leads directly to terrorist actions on US soil or not. Whether it costs up trillions in war expenses and tens of thousands of lives or not. They have sold out to the Israel lobby completely. They obviously could care LESS about the health or safety of their constituents as long as the cash and support keeps coming in.
"We are dismayed that Israelis are expanding the settlements."
You are correct. In the press interview Mr. Kelly came across as a powerless, pathetic figure. He could put his feet only between to narrow lines. He had no freedom to walk. In response to the statement from the White House: "We are dismayed that Israelis are expanding the settlements", I wrote this on my website: http://asanevoiceforpeaceinthemiddleeast.blogspot.com
Obama's third mantra:
Those who habitually read newspapers or listen to broadcast news know that President Obama had until now two mantras in his mind. His first mantra: “Our support of Israel to live in security is unshakable”, has been heard around the world, loudly and clearly, dozens of times.
His second mantra: “The bond between Israel and USA is unbreakable”, also has been heard around the world on many occasions. He chanted it even at the Cairo University in Egypt. “America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable.” These two mantras and some minor variants of the mantras have been chanted just like mantras, repeatedly, by Vice President Joe Biden, and Secretary of State Clinton, and Obama’s Middle East envoy George Mitchell every time they found an opportunity to chant them.
To those who are dismayed and bored with President Obama’s two mantras, I have some good news. Rejoice! President Obama has found a new mantra, his third, and has added it to his list. The new mantra is: “We are dismayed that Israelis are expanding the settlements”.
The chief Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, said that the Palestinian Authority “strongly condemns” the decision to build 900 housing units in Gilo, in East Jerusalem. In contrast, the Obama administration issued a statement that the administration was “dismayed” and asked both parties to avoid unilateral actions that could “pre-empt, or appear to pre-empt, negotiations.” I think his administration is sleeping; doesn’t it know that the peace process is dead and gone?
I am dismayed that The New York Times wrote that: “The news that the building plans had moved closer to approval drew a sharp response from the White House, which has declared reviving the talks to be a major policy goal.” And what was White House’s sharp response? The statement – Obama’s third mantra – that “We are dismayed that Israelis are expanding the settlements”. Here is a country that defies international laws, a country that it supports unconditionally with financial and military aid, and a country that it protects from international condemnations at the UN Security Council, and all that the Obama administration can do is express its “dismay” at Israel’s disregard for international laws?
These settlements are not only illegal per international laws, and against UN resolutions, they are opposed by almost the entire world except the USA. Yes, Obama’s administration has in the past stated that “We do not recognize the legitimacy of Israel’s settlements in the occupied territories”; but these are hollow words, not backed up with actions, actions such as ending economic and military aid to an aggressor and oppressor, and an international bully. President Obama has continued to send blank checks to Israel, and on time. It’s high time that the Nobel Peace committee stopped deluding itself that President Obama is a man of peace. I am aware that it can not withdraw the Nobel Peace Prize already given; but it is never too late to issue a statement expressing its regrets.
Yesh Prabhu, Plainsboro, NJ
Israel is a small country in the Middle East, established over sixty years ago as a Zionist homeland. It was, in those far-off days, a symbol of hope, sanctuary and a source of pride to virtually every Jewish person in the Diaspora.
Tragically, over those decades, it has transmogrified into a corrupt and brutal occupier, that also supplies regimes around the world with Uzi machine guns, cluster bombs and cut diamonds. Outside of the United States, that funds and arms it, the Israeli state is disliked to such an extent that there is now every possibility of a European-wide campaign against individuals and organisations supporting what is now seen as a pariah, political entity.
In the cafes on Dizengoff, Tel Aviv, (as in the former cafes of Berlin in the dying days of the Weimar Republic), there are hundreds of patrons drinking coffee, laughing and smoking – apparently unaware of the looming danger that the arrogance of their state has wrought. It is now too late, both for those in the cafes and, I'm afraid, for us. Like short-sighted ex-premier, Ariel Sharon, European Jewry is comatose and, again, in danger. For quiescent anti-Semitism, never far from the surface, has been awakened and prodded by the corruption of power-hungry, greedy men, blind to the threat that they bring upon themselves, their families and their faith.
Nothing to add to your clear insights except to add that in what has to be the world's most bitter irony, those cafe patrons have erected a Wall to protect themselves -- apparently the first time that a ghetto has been circumscribed by its inhabitants.
# The Fayyad plan contains elements regarding Jerusalem, borders, and economic aspects that are part and parcel of the established final-status negotiation process and, if dealt with unilaterally, would undermine the process and violate the solemn commitments entered into by the Palestinians.
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=2&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=443&PID=0&IID=3185&TTL=A_Paradox_of_Peacemaking:_How_Fayyad%E2%80%99s_Unilateral_Statehood_Plan_Undermines_the_Legal_Foundati
Hi Philip B,
You are ignoring the fact that by continuing to build new houses in the occupied territories, Israel has already violated its signed commitment to the Roadmap for Peace. Israel had promised to stop building new settlements, and to neither expand existing settlements, nor create outposts. It had also promised to dismantle several outposts; it has not done so. Fayyad's plan has not been implemented yet; it is now only a proposal, so Palestinians have not violated their commitments. Even the White House has stated that Palestinians have fulfilled their signed commitments to the Roadmap for Peace.
Yesh Prabhu, Plainsboro, NJ
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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