Posted By Stephen M. Walt Share

I spent some time over the holidays thinking about the underwear bomber, the hyperventilating that occurred after his botched attack, and the various inconveniences and costs we will incur as the authorities scramble to "do something." Add to that the likelihood that we will now get more heavily bogged down in Yemen, in another fruitless effort to remake a country that few, if any, Americans understand very well.

My first thought is to wonder whether Osama bin Laden and his buddies are really proud of Mr. Abdulmutullab. This latest attempt will cause the United States to spend a lot of time and money to make sure nobody sneaks another crude device through in their shorts, but does it really help al Qaeda's image to have their latest hero become famous for his underpants? Yes, I know that real lives were at risk, and I'm not making light of an attempt at mass murder. But in the battle for hearts and minds, having an enemy known as the "underwear bomber" is a pretty good propaganda coup. Score one for our side.

Second, most of the commentary about the attack focused on the breakdown in security procedures and possible intelligence failures, but for me the real issue is to ask why groups like al Qaeda want to attack us in the first place. With a few exceptions, this is a question that rarely gets much scrutiny anymore; pundits just assume "terrorists" are inherently evil and that’s why they do evil things. (And some American extremists recommend that suspects like the Gitmo detainees be summarily executed without trial. I kid you not). But we really do need to spend some time asking why terrorists are targeting us, and whether we could alleviate (though not eliminate) the problem by adjusting some aspects of U.S. foreign policy.

In particular, I'm struck by the inability of most Americans to connect the continued risk of global terrorism with America's highly interventionist global policy. One can have a serious debate about whether that policy is the right one or not; my point is that we are kidding ourselves if we think we can behave this way and remain immune from any adverse consequences. As a society, we seem to believe that we can send thousands of troops to invade other countries, send Reapers and Predators to fire missiles at people we think might -- repeat, might -- be terrorists, and underwrite the oppressive policies of a host of "friendly" governments, yet never pay any significant price for it back here at home. We are a nation of swaggering sheep: eager to impose our will on others yet terrified that doing so might inconvenience us, let alone put U.S. civilians in real danger.

I'm not for one minute justifying what groups like al Qaeda do; my point is that we shouldn't be surprised by it. When a very powerful country spends a lot of time interfering in other’s affairs, and sometimes backing obvious injustices like the Gaza War, then it ought to expect some people to be very angry about it. And because there’s no such thing as a perfect defense, sometimes those angry people will hit back. They won’t do as much to us as we’ve done to them because they’re a lot weaker, but occasionally they will draw blood.    

Yet Americans still find this surprising, and demand more and more extreme measures to "protect" us. We are like a heavy smoker who gets upset when they get diagnosed with emphysema, or a glutton who thinks it is "unfair" when he winds up with diabetes and high blood pressure. Face it, folks: if you want to be the world's dominant power, and you want to spend a lot of time telling millions of people how they should live, who their leaders should be, what weapons they are allowed to have, and what sorts of political beliefs are considered "legitimate," etc., and to back that agenda up with a lot of military force, then some amount of blowback is the price of doing business.  

Instead, Americans are shocked when someone like the underwear bomber appears, and politicians and "homeland security experts" immediately leap to the airwaves to dissect the latest Threat to Our Sacred Way of Life. Meanwhile, other "brave Americans" protest plans to move suspected terrorists from Gitmo to maximum security prisons, as if a set of incarcerated, heavily guarded, and disoriented prisoners pose a grave threat to their local communities. And just yesterday, the United States and several allies announced they were going to close their embassies in Yemen, citing the risk of terrorist attack. I can understand the desire to protect U.S. diplomats, but what does it say about our resolve, our staying power, and our recognition that world politics is a rough business and sometimes entails costs and risks? 

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DAVID IN DC

5:29 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Putting diplomats lives at risk

"I can understand the desire to protect U.S. diplomats, but what does it say about our resolve, our staying power, and our recognition that world politics is a rough business and sometimes entails costs and risks?"

Walt, when others advocate a course of action that puts lives at risk, you derogatorily refer to them as "armchair generals".

Why is it OK for you to do it?

On another note, are you going to issue a correction over your misplaced criticism of the NYTimes and WaPo regarding their reporting on the Gaza march?

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

9:57 PM ET

January 4, 2010

It's okay because it's not the same thing

The "armchair generals," who have no military experience, advocate for a completely optional deployment of tens of thousands of US soldiers whose core mission is to be in harm's way and carry out activities that provoke the native population. Casualties are guaranteed. Again, guaranteed.

On the other hand, diplomatic relations with other countries is de rigueur. Just like not deploying soldiers to foreign countries. And we're talking about a dozen or less US nationals, right? Who are not by virtue of their jobs in harms way, and who take necessary security precautions to stay out of it. A manageable risk to benefit ratio, I'd say.

 

DAVID IN DC

12:42 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Norweigan Shooter - armchair generals

The "armchair-general" put-down is not about expertise. (A lot of people who are armchair generals do have expertise, and it could even apply to our President, a notion with which I wholeheartedly disagree.) It is about the guy who is sitting in his comfy armchair advocating that other people face mortal danger.

This is what Walt is doing.

Furthermore, when there are specific terrorist threats, it is de rigueur for us to take the necessary steps to protect our people, even if there are a "dozen or less" of them. (I have to strongly disagree that the term "armchair generals" depends on how many people one is advocating putting at risk.) It is perfectly normal to shut our embassies in the face of danger, and if we had done so in 1998 perhaps 200+ people wouldn't have been killed that day.

"Who are not by virtue of their jobs in harms way..."

Doesn't it seem like this supports the notion of closing the embassy in the face of specific threats, rather than argues against it? The diplomats and their families did not sign up to go into harms way like this, as opposed to our military.

BTW, need any Mark Sanchez jerseys?

 

DAVID IN DC

2:29 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Summarily executed?

Walt: "And some American extremists recommend that suspects like the Gitmo detainees be summarily executed without trial. I kid you not."

Linking to:


A Bipartisan Proposal [Cliff May]
Step (1): Return all Gitmo detainees to Yemen.

Step (2): Use Predator missiles to strike the baggage-claim area 20 minutes after they arrive.

Just an idea.

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Does Walt think this commentator is really advocating that we bomb a Yemeni airport, or is Walt just exploring the depths of his own intellectual dishonesty?

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

5:07 PM ET

January 5, 2010

No, I don't need any NFL jerseys, thanks

Note for FP blog-masters: It's okay to change the system, but don't down-grade it. How about adding just one more level of comments, allowing links to be automatically formatted as links, and re-instating the report abuse link?

DinDC, it is perfectly okay to close embassies temporarily in response to threats, that's smart. I was thinking of closing as in leaving the country, if that's not what the issue is, then my bad.

As for Cliff May, Glennzilla takes care of him well enough for me. Link.

 

CHARLIEFORD

5:24 PM ET

January 5, 2010

"I've spent my entire life time ...

... separating the Right from the kooks."

The post Walt links to is yet more evidence (as if any was needed) that the Buckley era has ended and the kooks have taken over.

David (no stranger to intellectual dishonesty himself) pretends this is all in jest: Golly you academics are all so smug and stuck-up. Can't you let your hair down for a minute? It's all good fun.

Unfortunately for him, the NRO leaves a cyber-paper-trail. From 2001:

"This is no time to be precious about locating the exact individuals directly involved in this particular terrorist attack. Those responsible include anyone anywhere in the world who smiled in response to the annihilation of patriots like Barbara Olson.

"We don't need long investigations of the forensic evidence to determine with scientific accuracy the person or persons who ordered this specific attack. We don't need an "international coalition." We don't need a study on "terrorism." We certainly didn't need a congressional resolution condemning the attack this week. . . .

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

Back then, they had the vestigial dignity to throw this idiot under the train.

But Buckley's dead now.

So, today it's "Kill them all, let God sort them out. {nudge, nudge, wink, wink}"

Tomorrow it'll just be "Kill them all, let God sort them out!"

 

DAVID IN DC

5:53 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Glenzilla

Glen's response: "It wasn't a joke."

That doesn't seem all that compelling an answer to me, given that I don't think May was really advocating bombing the airport. It strikes me that he was making a sardonic comment on the fact that 1) many of these guys go back to terrorism, and 2) we are engaging in extrajudicial assassinations of those we suspect of terrorism in that country right now.

I think it would be fair to take up the issue of the extrajudicial killings with him, but to characterize it as "recommend[ing] that suspects like the Gitmo detainees be summarily executed without trial" is intellectually dishonest. It is Walt's and Glenn's way of trying to demonize their ideological opponents.

 

LT

6:38 PM ET

January 4, 2010

agreed, and...

Most of the people don't want to acknowledge such realities and instead prefer tidy packages of cheap political b.s. (you could call it McDonald's politics, for they would rather eat McD's instead of combining separate ingredients to make their own dinner).
It's much easier to wave an American flag, talk about freedom, hate evil terrorists, expect your government to protect you from any possible inconvenience (and oh by the way, simultaneously lowering your taxes).

 

KASSANDRA

6:39 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Sheep and the underpants bomber

Well said, Dr. Walt. If the USA is determined to follow its present foreign policy, it will have to accept a certain amount of risk to its citizens. Just saw an "expert" profiler on CNN explaining the "need" to subject the people from mostly Muslim countries to special airport screening, as has now been decided. And then he couldn't even pronounce the underpants bomber's name, even after he spent time scrutinizing a piece ofpaper.

The most e-mailed story on Al Jazeera homepage: "One angry young man with three ounces of explosive, 2000USD in cash, and a specially tailored pair of underwear has completely disrupted the US aviation system."
http://english.aljazeera.net//focus/2010/01/20101391534922682.html

Re the just released list of mostly Muslim countries whose citizens will be receiving a "special look" at airports: Couldn't help but think had this "special look" been applied to members of the Jewish religion thronging the financial industry, how many more people would still own their homes.

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

10:01 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Last sentence is completely out of bounds

I would report this comment if FP still had a report link.

If you can't help but think it, fine, but don't type it out on a public website.

 

JAMES FROM MELBOURNE

3:36 AM ET

January 5, 2010

Jews (and Buddhists,

Jews (and Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Animists, Taoists, Jains, Sikhs, and members of every other religion) don't tend to blow up other people.

The elephant in the room is radical islamism. To pretend in some PC way that The Religion of Peace (aka Islam) isn't the problem is to blind oneself to the realities.

 

PENNFLYER

5:36 AM ET

January 5, 2010

only Muslims blow up other

only Muslims blow up other people in Melbourne? i suppose you're referring to terrorism as a tactic. terrorism has been around since violence and war; 'raping and pillaging' is a great example, and so is suicide-bombing. war produces the effect of terror. it took the US and its allies 4 years in Iraq to get to the point where they consciously and with great difficulty keep themselves from giving in to the inevitable urge to terrorize, because they realized it was counterproductive in a war of occupation/nation-building. all offensive war continually employs terrorism, as its goal is to decimate enemy morale until it loses the will to fight. what is "shock and awe" if not a form of terrorism? it's not just another clip from the evening news if you're the one being "shocked and awed" by raining bombs.

 

SIR_MIXXALOT

7:06 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Right on the

Right on the money!

Thanks.

Don't like to have your underpants examined? Work to change US FP.

 

SIR_MIXXALOT

7:33 PM ET

January 4, 2010

9/11 commission

Here is what the 9/11 commission report says were the motivations of 9/11's mastermind Khaled Sheik Mohammed (KSM):

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/fullreport.pdf

page 154

"........KSM himself was to land the tenth plane at a U.S. airport and, after killing all adult male passengers on board and alerting the media, deliver a speech excoriating U.S. support for Israel, the Philippines, and repressive governments in the Arab world."

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You will note that, according to the 9/11 commission, the primary motivation behind 9/11 was U.S. support of Israel and the repressive tyrants we call our allies.

Change this and it will help reduce terrorism.

And, btw, it is the moral thing to do also.

 

SIR_MIXXALOT

7:35 PM ET

January 4, 2010

9/11 commission

Here is what the 9/11 commission report says were the motivations of 9/11's mastermind Khaled Sheik Mohammed (KSM):

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/fullreport.pdf

page 154

"........KSM himself was to land the tenth plane at a U.S. airport and, after killing all adult male passengers on board and alerting the media, deliver a speech excoriating U.S. support for Israel, the Philippines, and repressive governments in the Arab world."

======

You will note that, according to the 9/11 commission, the primary motivation behind 9/11 was U.S. support of Israel and the repressive tyrants we call our allies.

Change this and it will help reduce terrorism.

And, btw, it is the moral thing to do also.

 

SIR_MIXXALOT

7:37 PM ET

January 4, 2010

9/11 commission

Here is what the 9/11 commission report says were the motivations of 9/11's mastermind Khaled Sheik Mohammed (KSM):

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/fullreport.pdf

page 154

"........KSM himself was to land the tenth plane at a U.S. airport and, after killing all adult male passengers on board and alerting the media, deliver a speech excoriating U.S. support for Israel, the Philippines, and repressive governments in the Arab world."

======

You will note that, according to the 9/11 commission, the primary motivation behind 9/11 was U.S. support of Israel and the repressive tyrants we call our allies.

Change this and it will help reduce terrorism.

And, btw, it is the moral thing to do also.

 

DEPETRIS@WORDPRESS.COM

8:17 PM ET

January 4, 2010

On a general note, I agree

On a general note, I agree with much of Dr. Walt's assessment on the security issue. Many Americans that I run into- either at work, in school, or on the street- are still confused over Al'Qaeda's rationale and motivation. "Why do they wish to cause harm on the United States by murdering thousands upon thousands of innocent men, women, and children," they ask? "Well, it must be because they are monsters who want to ruin our way of life."

Granted, Al'Qaeda and other Islamic extremists do wish to cause a tremendous amount of harm on the United States. It is equally important to grasp the point that AQ-affiliates do want to destroy our way of life, but not for the reasons that many Americans think. AQ's mindset is not based on some simple notion of murder. To the contrary; their campaign of violence is a direct- albeit violent- protest against U.S. policy in the Middle East.

In fact, Al'Qaeda's main grievance against the United States falls in two main categories: 1) American troops on the Arabian Peninsula and 2) Unquestioned American support for the state of Israel. Add thousands of Muslim casualties by American technology to the mix and AQ all of a sudden as a sound reason for their movement.

Again, like Dr. Walt said, no one can excuse the actions of Al'Qaeda, Al'Shabab, and the Pakistani Taliban. There is no excuse for deliberately killing civilians for the sake of spreading fear. But at the same time, we need to start realizing that some of our own actions are fueling the fire.

http://depetris.wordpress.com

 

DEPETRIS@WORDPRESS.COM

8:20 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Good Points, One Comment

On a general note, I agree with much of Dr. Walt's assessment on the security issue. Many Americans that I run into- either at work, in school, or on the street- are still confused over Al'Qaeda's rationale and motivation. "Why do they wish to cause harm on the United States by murdering thousands upon thousands of innocent men, women, and children," they ask? "Well, it must be because they are monsters who want to ruin our way of life."

Granted, Al'Qaeda and other Islamic extremists do wish to cause a tremendous amount of harm on the United States. It is equally important to grasp the point that AQ-affiliates do want to destroy our way of life, but not for the reasons that many Americans think. AQ's mindset is not based on some simple notion of murder. To the contrary; their campaign of violence is a direct- albeit violent- protest against U.S. policy in the Middle East.

In fact, Al'Qaeda's main grievance against the United States falls in two main categories: 1) American troops on the Arabian Peninsula and 2) Unquestioned American support for the state of Israel. Add thousands of Muslim casualties by American technology to the mix and AQ all of a sudden has a sound reason for their movement.

Again, like Dr. Walt said, no one can excuse the actions of Al'Qaeda, Al'Shabab, and the Pakistani Taliban. There is no excuse for deliberately killing civilians for the sake of spreading fear. But at the same time, we need to start realizing that some of our own actions are fueling the fire.

My only concern is that the U.S. is relying too much on military power- without development and civilian assistance attached- to achieve its objectives in the Middle East.

http://depetris.wordpress.com

 

KERPIN

8:41 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Antisemitism on Walt's blog? No, I can't believe it!

Kassandra:
"Re the just released list of mostly Muslim countries whose citizens will be receiving a "special look" at airports: Couldn't help but think had this "special look" been applied to members of the Jewish religion thronging the financial industry, how many more people would still own their homes."

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

10:08 PM ET

January 4, 2010

You're only encouraging it by repetition

And drop the guilt-by-blog-post-comment, it's silly.

 

DAVID IN DC

2:57 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Walt moderates this blog,

Walt moderates this blog, answers some posts, and deletes posts based on some criteria(I have had at least six posts of mine deleted, possibly more, in at least three different threads). Walt should not be held accountable for what people post in his comments, but by deleting posts he has taken on responsibility for what he allows to remain. It's possible he just hasn't read through the thread yet and cleaned up this garbage.

Personally, I think he should either let all stand, or apply his criteria fairly and consistently. By deleting posts in a haphazard manner he is opening himself up to charges like this.

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

5:17 PM ET

January 5, 2010

I don't think so

Walt doesn't moderate these comments, I've never seen a comment posted by him or any evidence he even reads any. When I have reported previous posts I've gotten a couple of replies, but from someone else, not Walt. As the NFL jersey comments show, the thread isn't automatically moderated at by anyone.

 

DAVID IN DC

6:03 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Shooter

Walt does, or at least did, moderate these comments. I have seen him address that fact on these boards (a while ago, when he removed one of my posts) and have seen him reply to posts (most recently within the past week or so). He definitely reads these currently, although perhaps not consistently. Perhaps he has handed off the moderation, but if he has there was no indication when it happened.

Bottom line, this is Walt's blog, it is moderated to a greater or lesser extent, and Walt almost certainly has the final say in what stays and what goes.

 

SMCI60652

7:55 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Sam is the Man

I've seen 99x as much anti-Islamic bias as anti-Jewish bias in the popular media and popular society.

But it's so much easier to bash a religion when its supposed adherents are blowing people to smitherines.

But then we could argue that we ourselves, as well as our best-good allies, are blowing people to smitherines, starving, torturing and demolishing people's houses... yet it's human nature to identify more with those who look, talk and think more like yourself than others.

Islam and Muslims have, since their existance, been the bipolar "other" for over a millenia to a majority of 'Westerners.' Whereas the Jewish people, to their credit, have largely succeeded at convincing the West, atleast Americans, of their common experience and shared aspirations.

Even though it's obvious that most Americans have a skewed and biased take on Islam - we should also be honest about the viceral hatred towards Americans and Jews that exists in large segments of the Muslim world.

Speaking as an American Muslim, we could all stand to grow up a little.

 

ANON_ANON

8:44 PM ET

January 4, 2010

"global policy"

You assume it's only US government policy that angers people. Even if US government policy were as benign as could be, what about *non-governmental* policy, ie, US business and pop culture? Is it a force for good or evil, and can it be controlled in the same way as US government policy?

Also, I think you exaggerate the amount that US policy motivates political violence - on the microlevel, the underpants bomber was a Columbine kid. Psychological motivations can be varied and diverse.

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

10:20 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Good point / bad point

First part is a good point, my response would be business generally bad, pop culture both good and bad, and add NGOs as generally good. And no, of course it can't be controlled the same way as Govt policy, and that's a good thing.

Second part is a bad point, how can you say "the underpants bomber was a Columbine kid" and "psychological motivations can be varied and diverse" one after another? Mr. Underpants was certainly not a Columbine kid, because he wasn't a kid, for one thing. There are many other differences as well.

 

KERPIN

8:46 PM ET

January 4, 2010

The attacks following publication of the Muhammad caricatures?

How do you explain them? How many Danish soldiers had killed Muslims? Conquered Muslim countries?
No, Prof. Walt, the reality is that Muslim fundamentalists will find an excuse for their actions regardless of what the US does. Sure, American actions might make it easier to recruit bombers, but the basic belief in jihad and the justification of murdering infidels has nothing to do with American foreign policy.

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

10:25 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Thanks for admitting American actions matter

Muslim fundamentalists will find an excuse for their actions regardless of what the US does, but what the US does influences what those actions are. As your example here demonstrates, Danish actions caused a few "attacks." How many people died? (Not rhetorical, I don't know)

While US actions have prompted hundreds of suicide attacks killing thousands of people (not all American).

 

PENNFLYER

9:00 PM ET

January 4, 2010

call me crazy

i would think that only a disturbed semi-or-full-sociopath would respond to American "imperialism" by blowing themselves up in a plane. your criticism of American policy seems valid only because there is always room for improvement. yes, the support that we (meaning morally ambiguous testosterone fueled foreign policy jocks in DC) have given to dictatorships is shameful. but we are the mildest of empires, are we not? there are plenty of civilizations and cultures whose bad behavior we have abetted, whose lands we conquered, whose resources we extracted (did we not literally steal hundreds of German scientists?), and they're not strapping on bombs.

there is something more complicated going on here, more elemental and harder to overcome, and i suspect that in part it's due to profound imbalances in technology and social adaptability / complexity between the cultures that are rubbing up against each other. i mean, are we really still giving small-pox blankets to 'dirty natives' in our larger dealings with the globe? is that how our corporations view South America, Africa, etc, wherever we extract resources? is that how our diplomatic corps views the world? yes, i'm sure there's something to that, but of how much significance? we are powerful and that can cause haughtiness and exploitation and lead to envy and enmity, but aren't the Arabs and other Muslims ancient cultural terrains well-versed in economic and political complexity and big-power games? do they really have all that much to be jealous about? the Japanese were medieval samurai 150 years ago, and within two generations they became fully industrialized and updated themselves to Western scientific standards. all this leads me again to ask:

aren't the disaffected Islamists really just maniacs who flail about the repressed political state of their cultures at present? if so, then the neocons were right in their analysis but wrong in their application. these are criminals par excellence, this is not a war: al Qaeda are extremists within their own societies, nutcases who lash out at whatever--these particular ones lash out at their mythologized conception of an American empire. i just don't see how American policies, even the really bad ones, can be causing the average Muslim's major political problems in life. naturally, i would rather have had one of my balls amputated than have someone like Bush be president, but hey--I exercised the vote and so did my compatriots. i hope he's indicted in the Hague. yeah, I guess you're right in a very important respect. but not about al Qaeda terrorists and their 23 year old Nigerian admirers. those guys are just sociopaths.

a humble reader

 

SMCI60652

9:48 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Clarification

I agree with the general argument that you're making, but my concern is with the usage of isolated incidents by lone gunmen to impugn US foriegn policy as a whole towards the region.

There are ample sound reasonings to base your argument on, but using the most recent 'underwear bomber' is a bit shaky.

I mean it was just a 23 year old confused young man, whose OWN MUSLIM FATHER warned the US about the threats he posed, weeks in advance!

I doubt that his father didn't share his son's concerns about the wrongs of American policy, but clearly he didn't think killing random unrelated people was the proper response.

I mean the Gaza atrocities, blind and idiotic support for Israel, Iraqi sanctions, Iraqi invasion, Afghanistan etc aside - we're still dealing with several thousands of fanatics in a Muslim polity of over a billion.

Yes, policy IS a problem, but more problematic is living in an age where one man or a handful of men can cause damage on scales that most pre-modern armies couldn't carry out.

Not to mention that less than a week ago you yourself stated that we cant ever be COMPLETELY secure from threats, but it makes sense to lower our domestic vulnerability as much as possible.

As for foreign policy, I guess the more belligerent elements in American society agree that we can't ever be completely safe, even if we alter our policies - so why bother altering them at all?

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

10:42 PM ET

January 4, 2010

Hey, SMCI

Took a break from FP, but I'm now back at it.

I think you should stick to the general argument, which isn't about "isolated incidents by lone gunmen," but "if you want to be the world's dominant power, and you want to spend a lot of time telling millions of people how they should live, who their leaders should be, what weapons they are allowed to have, and what sorts of political beliefs are considered "legitimate," etc., and to back that agenda up with a lot of military force, then some amount of blowback is the price of doing business."

Walt didn't say to lower our domestic vulnerability as much as possible - no realist would say such a thing - but to lower our domestic vulnerability with simple, smart measures and accept the fact of some small level of risk is irreducible.

And the last sentence, I hope you're being rhetorical. If not, I'll gladly take up this point as well.

Not your best work, I'm afraid.

 

MUHYEDIN

12:09 AM ET

January 5, 2010

Next: Israelification of airport security

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother

Money quote: We "don't take ---t from nobody".
I have a feeling this is going to be another terrible decade.

 

ITONLYSTANDSTOREASON

1:14 AM ET

January 5, 2010

Contradictions

It seems that the people who generally are most certain that government can't do anything right who demand more government action to attack foreign countries and protect travelers.

Those who still hold to the arguments that "they hate us for our freedom" or that Islam is a violent religion are stuck on a self-justifying myth; there is little point to arguing with them.

However, I would like to see a more comprehensive plan from Obama than extending the game of whack-a-mole to ever more countries.

Unlike Walt, I believe the Obama approach towards Afghanistan will produce a better outcome for the US and the Afghanis than a withdrawal.

Yemen is not at the point that Afghanistan has reached. The first priority should be to avoid actions that further destabilize the government.

 

BILL C

1:39 AM ET

January 5, 2010

Did you see the Paul/Stein exchange?

"but for me the real issue is to ask why groups like al Qaeda want to attack us in the first place. With a few exceptions, this is a question that rarely gets much scrutiny anymore; pundits just assume "terrorists" are inherently evil and that’s why they do evil things."

Did you see this exchange between Ron Paul and Ben Stein. Rep. Paul didn't even mention Israel and he was called an anti-Semite. Stein then gave a non-apology basically saying that once you did mention Israel you were an anti-Semite and he merely jumped the gun.

Ron Paul is scheduled to be on Larry King tonight so we'll at least witness the discussion.

Paul/Stein Exchange (@5:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFdG4eySIU8#t=5m00s

Stein non-apology: http://spectator.org/archives/2009/12/30/a-ron-paul-moment

Commentary: http://www.examiner.com/x-19718-Boston-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m12d30-Ben-Stein-Explains-His-Attack-on-Ron-Paul-Creating-More-Questions-Than-Answers

 

JAMES FROM MELBOURNE

3:23 AM ET

January 5, 2010

Frankly, I think he should be

Frankly, I think he should be referred to as the 'Pantybomber'.

I am not sure if the expression Panties is used much in your country or not. In my own, and in many anglo speaking countries it has connotations of weak girlishness. It is not a word that any male would like to be associated with.

Ergo: The Pantybomber!

Let him take that name to his 72 virgins!

Cheers

James from Melbourne
OZ

 

M WILK

4:32 AM ET

January 5, 2010

He may not be proud but he is laughing

Osama may not be proud of his protege but he is certainly laughing at us. We like to think we are a great and brave nation but here we are scared out of our wits by some guy who sets his underwear on fire! Isn't it amazing that its those big tough Republicans like Cheney that are screaming the loudest! By all means tighten up security on airplanes if needed but be rational. What is this nonsense about being seated for the final hour of flight? A bomber can only set off his/her bomb in the final hour of flight? Guess that's a rule I wasn't aware of. Terrorists target their victims to create the biggest bang for the buck and when you can throw a whole nation into a panic with flaming underpants you are certainly encouraging further attacks.

 

RKERG

7:47 AM ET

January 5, 2010

Its a mistake

The underwear bomber episode was NOT a terrorist attack,
at least according to the Republocult, who still maintain that,
after 9/11, the Cheney/Bush team prevented anymore terrorist attacks on America. See, there was this "shoebomber" guy who tried the same thing with the same
explosive in his shoe and, just like the underwear bomber, got his butt kicked by the passengers, and, according to all those "armchair generals" in the snarly land of Republocultsters, the shoebomber was NOT a terrorist attack and the guy was PUT ON TRIAL and convicted and is in prison.

 

KASSANDRA

11:30 AM ET

January 5, 2010

Frontline interview w/Osama

I remember an interview with Osama sometime in the late 1980's, on Frontline, a program on US TV, wherein he very clearly laid out his differences with US foreign policy. Palestine and US' support of Israel were a large part.

The West still operates as if there is an Al Quadea Central somewhere, whereas it has morphed into a movement that coalesces and separates as the need arises. Local grievances enter into it, but the fact that the movement is attractive over such a large spectrum of populations speaks to a central idea, and it's hardly "they hate our way of life". Wherever I've heard anyone from the movement speak, Israel/Palestine has almost always been a component.
Look at some Islamist websites, try The Muslim Brotherhood site, all written in good English. Subscribe to Al Jazeera TV. Their news are fairly standard, but their special reports are very informative. They have the freedom of speech that in the US is muzzled.

Glad some of you noticed the bankers analogy. Repeat: analogy. If profiling Muslims because of the mayhem a few of them may cause is acceptable, why not carry the analogy to other groups? Why are such analogies instantly tagged as unacceptable? This kind of thinking inside a box is exatly what keeps the West forever hunting "terrorists". After all, no Sharia banks needed government bailouts.

 

PFNOVAK

7:26 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Osama

If the plight of Palestinians was so central to Bin-Laden, why has Al-Qaeda done absolutely nothing to attack Israel or help Hizbullah or Hamas? Israel is a lot closer to any Al-Qaeda base than America. I am inclined to believe that Osama is more concerned about US troops in his home country of Saudi Arabia, but this cause has less support around the Muslim world than Gaza.
He likes to bring up the issue because it's an easy way to rally support, but if I remember correctly, Al-Qaeda did nothing during either Operation Cast Lead or the Lebanon war of 2006. Bin Laden rightly drew criticism for failing to live up to his rhetoric.
All terrorist movements are motivated by politics rather than religion and Al-Qaeda is no exception.

 

MJKOCH

11:46 AM ET

January 5, 2010

Politically correctness does not save American lives

Whether it is politically correct or not the fact remains since the horrors of 911 happened in America Islamic terrorists have murdered thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Israel, India, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Tunesia, Morocco, Spain, England, The Philippines, Bali, Saudia Arabia, Somalia, Turkey, and Russia.

Despite what our President wants to call these terrorists they are at war with America and they are not common criminals or petty thieves who robbed a convenience store or stole someone's purse. They want to destroy America and if they ever got their hands on a weapon of mass destruction they would not hesitate to use it against us. They murdered three thousand innocent people on 911 but would have been delighted if they could have murdered three hundred thousand or three million.

Our current administration believes it is fine to Mirandize those who are at war with us. Instead of our military and FBI being able to learn what other plots might be in the works or more about the training the terrorist from Nigeria received his lawyer has advised him to remain silent. We seem to be more worried about the rights of foreigners who want to destroy us rather than the innocent Americans they want to kill. After all, we have a President in Washington who refuses to acknowledge that Islamic terror exists and a Homeland Security director who refers to these "incidents" as "man made disasters" rather than terrorism and who believes the system worked fine in preventing almost three hundred people from being killed. It did work fine as long as we can rely on citizens from Denmark being on our planes, jumping over three rows of seats and disarming the terrorists before their bomb explodes!

Jewish and Christian terrorists are not going around the world trying to murder as many people as they can - Islamic terrorists are, and in more than twenty countries since our own 911. The overwhelming majority of these people come from certain countries where these people are trained and indoctrinated with hatred against western civilization and the outrage should not be that we are targeting these countries for extra security scrutiny. The outrage should be that it took us more than eight years to do this. We have a choice in our country between being politically correct and risking the lives of our citizens or doing the right thing and preventing future 911's that may dwarf what happened before in the number of casualties that will occur. The number one responsibility of the President is not the economy, the enviroment, or health care, but is and always will be the security and safety of the American people and its time this adminstration put the people of this country first.

 

COMMON_SENSE

10:16 PM ET

January 5, 2010

very well stated. i would

very well stated.
i would also submit that once one decides upon terrorism and mass murder as a line of work, he/she has pretty much forfeited any right to life.
-wasting billions of dollars defending them in courts of law and sheltering them (better than they would be in their own country) is money better spent in the US for our own domestic programs.
also if they choose to deem us "THE GREAT SATAN" as we spend billions trying to improve the lots of their ungrateful asses, we get out of their countries and kick them out of our country.
let them pay to defend themselves for a change and deal with their own problems before we allow them the rights and privileges afforded to civilized countries.

 

M WILK

2:24 PM ET

January 5, 2010

RE:Political Correctness Does Not Save Lives

You really need to get your info from people other than Cheney, Rush and by watching "24" reruns. First of all the FBI is a law enforcement agency and arrests people just like any other state or local police force.

The IRA was a Christian terrorist organization that committed bombings and murders over many years. The founders of Israel were terrorists who bombed and murdered British targets in the Middle East among others.

So the president should ignore the economy, health care and everything else as long as there are people in the world that don't like US? The US has faced external threats from the day it was founded. What are we suppossed to do become another Sparta?

 

NUR AL-CUBICLE

2:46 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Close the Embassies!

Just reporting that as Gordon Brown and our own President close their embassies in Sanaa, the Italian Foreign Ministry states there is no threat at hand. I suppose the closures were an attempt to herd the sheep but the peccore are not playing.

 

MIKE ROCHEFORT

3:58 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Don't be shocked

You know, Americans should not be shocked, we shouldn't be shocked at all. What should surprise us is the fact that Bin Laden's words are being ignored. It has much less to do with American interference and more to do with our way of life, our freedom of religion and capitalism. You see, he declared war on the "infadels" and anyone who does not believe in their ways. People seems for forget this declaration of holy war that was made and blame the United States and detract from what was actually said. You see, we are in a no-win situation. If we interfere then we are bad if we do nothing we are bad. Listen to what he said and then you will see the truth. casino online

 

SMCI60652

9:21 PM ET

January 5, 2010

Who do you have to sleep with...

to get the comment features fixed on this site?

We can't highlight links or customize quotes anymore! What a drag!

I've seen a few people italicize and use bolded text, by all means, if someone knows how to do this, please share.

These changes are totally cramping Norwegian, David's, Mix-a-lot's and my style.

HELP!

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

11:16 PM ET

January 5, 2010

NS to the rescue!

Bold and italicized have always been with the deprecated tags and , respectively. They still work. I've been putting tags around the tags to highlight them. But then don't use them for non-linked text.

CAPTCHA: sturdier Senate (I wish! D*mn you, Harry Reid!)

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

11:18 PM ET

January 5, 2010

whoops

I actually used the < > brackets around the "strong" (for bold) and "em" (for italics) tags, so they went to work.

 

NORWEGIAN SHOOTER

11:19 PM ET

January 5, 2010

links

put "strong" tags around the "a" tags.

 

SMCI60652

3:06 PM ET

January 6, 2010

thanks!

Let's see if this works.

Bold sample

italics sample

 

SMCI60652

3:11 PM ET

January 6, 2010

NS is the man!

This one's for you.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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