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In May 2003, New York Times columnist Tom Friedman told Ha'aretz's Ari Shavitz that the invasion of Iraq was:

"[T]he war the neoconservatives wanted ... the war the neoconservatives marketed. .. I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at the moment within a five-block radius of this office [in Washington]) who, if you exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened."

Was Friedman advancing a "conspiracy theory" to explain the invasion of Iraq? Is it proper to regard the neoconservative movement -- and especially those neocons who were the loudest cheerleaders for invading Iraq -- as a conspiracy or cabal, as some writers have? I don't think so.  I have plenty of disagreements with the neoconservative approach to U.S. foreign policy, and I think there's no question they played a central role in leading the United States into Iraq, but to characterize them as a cabal or conspiracy is misleading, counter-productive, and possibly dangerous.

As we know from a number of important books -- including Richard Hofstader's The Paranoid Style in American Politics, David Aaronovitch's recent Voodoo Histories, and Kathryn Olmsted's Real Enemies: Conspiracy Theories and American Democracy -- conspiracy theories have a long and unhappy history in the United States (and elsewhere).  Prominent examples include assorted plots involving Freemasons, preposterous claims about secret Jewish influence (such as the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious Czarist-era forgery), or the claims that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, that John F. Kennedy was assassinated by the CIA, or that the U.S. government faked the 1969 moon landing. More recent versions are the 9/11 "truther" movement, which portrays the 9/11 attacks as a secret plot by the U.S. government, and virtually any of the claims put forward by Lyndon LaRouche. Glenn Beck's TV show is an equally fertile source of absurd but scary notions about current U.S. politics.  (See here for Jon Stewart's lethal lampooning of Beck's style of "reasoning.")

Conspiracy theories take many forms, but they generally have several common features. First, they often claim to expose the secret machinations of a small group of individuals, acting to accomplish some nefarious but largely-hidden purpose. Second, they attribute to the designated group vast and far-reaching powers, including a mysterious ability to control (rather than simply influence) a wide array of institutions. Yet a conspiracy theory (as opposed to a careful institutional analysis) never identifies the precise mechanisms by which this alleged control is achieved and normally fails to provide concrete evidence to justify its far-reaching claims. Alternatively, conspiracy theorists sometimes suggest that "the government" is engaged in some enormously-important but covert activity, like hiding captured alien spacecraft at "Area 51" or arranging to bring down the World Trade Center while getting it blamed on al Qaeda. In virtually all cases, a good conspiracy theory implies that what you think you know about the world is dead wrong, usually because the people responsible for the conspiracy have managed to convince you that up is down and black is white.

In general, conspiracy theories tend to ignore Occam's Razor -- the idea that simple and direct explanations are preferable -- and instead offer convoluted accounts designed to explain away contradictory evidence. They also tend to portray the world as far more organized and consistent than it really is: once you know the real truth, so they claim, then everything falls into place. To do this, conspiracy theorists often squeeze a host of unrelated phenomena into some larger pattern, on the basis of unproven and far-fetched connections.  (Again, Glenn Beck is the contemporary master of this sort of dubious reasoning). 

Conspiracy theories also tend to be short on definitive, "smoking-gun" evidence, and may even be impossible to disprove. Indeed, the absence of hard evidence can be interpreted as support for the theory, because an all-powerful but secret cabal would have every reason to cover its tracks and obviously be adept at doing so. So the less hard evidence you can find, the more it proves the theory! Senator Joseph McCarthy's accusations about a vast communist conspiracy within the U.S. government took root in part because his assertions were hard to disprove: if we couldn't find any real communists in the State Department, maybe that was because those diabolical Bolsheviks were unusually good at hiding their true affinities.

It should be obvious that the neoconservatives who pushed for war in Iraq do not fit this definition, and the wide array of people who now hold them partly responsible for the decision to invade Iraq are not advancing a very controversial notion. Far from being secretive, the various think tanks, committees, foundations and publications that nurtured the neoconservative movement have courted publicity from the very beginning, just as other policy networks do. Instead of concealing their goals-such as the ouster of Saddam Hussein-they were clear about what they thought the United States should do.  It is a pretty weird "conspiracy" whose leaders routinely appear on national television to proclaim their policy goals, and whose members sign their names to open letters advising government officials what to do. And in those heady "Mission Accomplished" days when Iraq seemed like a great success, neoconservatives were quick to claim credit for it.  This is not the way a "secret cabal" normally behaves.

The persistence of conspiracy theorizing is disturbing for two quite different reasons.  First, because real "conspiracy theories" blame all or most of society's ills on the hidden influence of evil officialdom or some disloyal group, they encourage hatred and violence against ethnic or religious minorities or populist violence against public officials. One need only think of the Nazi era or the Oklahoma City bombings to see where this sort of thinking can lead. 

Second, the prevalence of conspiracy theories makes it harder to have a serious discussion about all of the different ways that interest groups or policy networks operate when seeking to advance some political cause. "Conspiracy theories" are almost always bogus, but that does not mean that "private political collusion" does not occur.  In fact, an enormous amount of political activity begins with a small group of people getting together to advance some political goal. Because politics is a competitive activity, contending groups often conceal their goals and strategies from potential opponents, so that the latter can't take action to thwart them. By this standard, the American revolutionaries, the civil rights movement, the Council for National Policy, the Committee on the Present Danger, and the Bolsheviks were all "conspiracies," in the sense that they were small groups of people who came together to privately plan a course of political action. 

Unfortunately, the word "conspiracy" carries powerful negative connotations and immediately invokes the crackpot variety of theorizing discussed above.  As a result, if someone argues that a particular group or network is trying to exert a significant impact on some aspect of foreign or domestic policy, and that it is not being completely open about either its aims or its plans, that person may be accused of advancing some sort of "conspiracy theory."  In other words, people who are in fact engaged in covert political collusion can use the crackpot variety of conspiracy theory to discredit potential critics, and even to discourage investigation or discussion of what they are doing. Ironically, bizarre and harmful notions like the Protocols, the 9/11 truthers, or the anti-Obama "birthers" make it harder for scholars, journalists, and ordinary citizens to evaluate the ways that a wide variety of groups may collude in private, and the effects this may have on public policy. 

In her new book Shadow Elite, social anthropologist Janine Wedel offers a better way to think about the phenomenon of private political collusion. Wedel devotes one chapter of the book to "the neocon core", which she portrays as a network of well-connected and like-minded elites operating in several sectors of society simultaneously. Not only could the neoconservatives plan campaigns privately, but they could lend each other mutual support at key moments, and mobilize activity in several sectors of society (i..e., government, academia, media, business, etc.) at the same time. There is nothing unusual or "conspiratorial" about such behavior; on the contrary, Wedel argues that what she calls "flex-nets" (a term connoting the flexible professional identities of many members of these networks) are increasingly prevalent in a number of different issue-areas.

This approach avoids the distorting language of "conspiracy" or "cabal," with all the negative (and misleading) connotations that such terms contain.  At the same time, it helps us see how relatively small groups of people can exert enduring influence in different policy domains, even when their past advice has often been disastrous. If well-connected elites are largely insulated from failure, and if ordinary citizens are unaware of the different connections and interests that bind key elites to one another, then the public (and even some policymakers) cannot accurately evaluate their advice or act to exclude them from power. If Wedel is right, the growing prominence of these "shadow elites" may be undermining the accountability that is essential to a healthy democracy.

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LODGEPOLE

8:18 PM ET

March 26, 2010

conspiracy theories

The conspiracy theory of the 19 hijackers advanced by the government follows your script exactly:
a) never identifies the precise mechanism
b) fails to provide concrete evidence to justify its far reaching claims
c) it is a covert activity. They will not investigate openly
d) they have hidden the evidence, for whatever reason
e) they've blamed al Qaeda.
Therefore the government is dead wrong as you imply since they've managed to convince most of us that up is down.

 

LITTLEMANTATE

8:53 PM ET

March 26, 2010

It didn't take much prodding to get the US into the war

Neocon influence aside, assuming there was some sort of neocon strategy to get us into Iraq, and evidence points in that direction, they weren't alone and they didn't have to do much pushing.

The point is this nation is too militaristic, and this process doesn't seem to be slowing down. People like wars, crocodile tears and self-serving statements aside. The US can't go a decade it seems without invading someplace. As M. Albright put it, sort of, what's the point of having a giant military if you don't use it. And though there was some senior officer reluctance to invade, the number of voices raised in strong opposition to the war was pretty small.

Face it, the neocon strategy would have never flown in a country like Finland. Neocon or Bush demonizing, while enjoyable to watch, doesn't solve the deeper rot that affects this nation. We are the children of the Puritans and Andrew Jackson's, always on the lookout for resources to grab, packed full of machismo, and with a semi-religious ideology to back up our crimes.

 

JANBEKSTER

9:56 PM ET

March 26, 2010

cabal yes, Conspiracy No.

I don't think the neo-Cons were conspiring at all. Their agenda was always clear about the American century, and the notion of the New Middle East, in which Iraq was supposed to be the launching pad.. They had a listening ear in the "then" Washington administration, and a reasonably compliant American public. As far as being a Cabal, they certainly were.
khairi janbek.paris/france

 

DEFANNIN

10:04 PM ET

March 26, 2010

The Problem is the Lies

The problem is not whether the Neo-Cons were a secret conspiracy. They as you said were open in their considerations. They believed that it was best for America to oust Saddam Hussein. I will not question their good intentions or whether they believed they were acting with the most patriotic of intentions. The problem is that when they convinced Bush-Cheney that they were right. It did not become a matter of a free open and public debate. I don't remember Bush coming out in the campaign and saying that if elected he would go to war against Iraq. If he did say that some where it didn't get reported well. Then when the time to act came the reasons given to the public were lies. In a democracy that is inexcusable. They were willing to say what ever was necessary to convince the public.

 

BOB SPENCER

11:06 PM ET

March 26, 2010

Where are we going and are we there yet?

Are you talking about an oligarchy?

Wikipedia---An oligarchy is a form of government in which power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, military might, or religious hegemony.

Does anybody know of a method to measure how much a government may be trending towards an oligarchy? Sometimes I feel like a little kid in the back seat---“Are we there yet?”

Can it be that the neoconservatives are a symptom of a systematic problem that produces them along with the financial oligarchy that Simon Johnson describes or the military industrial complex?

All of those interests seem to be symptoms of an evolving highly centralized quasi government.

In spite of any possible current trends towards insulated centralization, I am from Virginia and I can remember the Byrd machine that ruled until the mid ‘70’s. They had an ideological grip that far exceeded our current national centralization trends, but that doesn’t mean that we are not heading in that direction and that we have underlying systematic deficits that encourage further centralized rule.

Bob Spencer

 

APARICIO

11:25 PM ET

March 26, 2010

They "tend" to be false, true. But---

Sometimes they are true. And in the case of 911, I respectfully desagree. Serious "thruers" about that story highlight mostly that the oficial version does not make any sense when studied in details. And it does not. Nobody can assure is was a US government plot, but the oficial version is simply not true.

 

DEPETRIS@WORDPRESS.COM

4:35 AM ET

March 27, 2010

Americans love conspiracies

Everything that Dr. Walt says here is true. Personally, I cannot stand running into someone on the street (or in the classroom) who firmly believes that a small yet influential group is pulling the levers of the U.S. Government. It's even harder for me not to laugh at these people when they spout off at the mouth about the 9/11 attacks being orchestrated by President Bush or the neoconservatives deliberately lying in order to launch a preemptive war in Iraq. And I'm assuming that most Americans out there would have a similar attitude towards "The Truthers," or the Area 51 crowd.

But on the other hand, the very fact that an academic like Walt is talking about this on his blog (that is read by hundreds of people per week) shows how widespread conspiracy theories are. I guarantee that if you take a survey and ask if JFK was shot by a lone-gunman, you would get many who would disagree with this sort of conventional wisdom. Some may claim that the CIA covered up the entire affair, whereas others would argue that Vice President Lyndon Johnson ordered the assassination against Kennedy.

I have some conflicting views towards conspiracy theories, because on while most of them are ridiculious, they are still widely entertaining. Everyone loves a good conspiracy, no matter how illogical or irrational it is. Take a look at American pop culture today and you will see movies, books, and television shows using conspiracy in the formula. Just a few weeks ago, Matt Damon came out with a new film called "Green Zone" that basically lays out a distorted view of why the United States decided to invade Iraq (oil, business interests, dominance in the Persian Gulf, etc).

Everyone loves controversy, no matter how perverse it may be. So in the end, perhaps we should just look at the conspiracy camp as another form of entertainment, and leave it at that.

http://www.depetris.wordpress.com

 

SMCI60652

5:09 PM ET

March 29, 2010

The problem with "Green Zone"

...is that it goes too far.

It is definitely distorted, but the Bush Administration was cruisin' for a bruisin' with the factual information we know about the run-up to the war and its handling in the early years.

Was the intel that the Administration used to create fear, doctored?

-- Probably not all of it, but some of it clearly was. It is atleast an agreed upon fact that it was not vetted traditionally. And given that many PNAC members and memoranda signatories to Clinton were in positions of influence within the government, it stands to reason that it may have been possible that evidence was stove-piped to fit a pre-conceived conclusion. This seems to be the scholarly consensus on the matter.

Did Bremer's announcement at the CPA of the suspension of the Iraqi Army lead to widespread Ba'athist Sunni rebellion?

-- YES. Even Bremer himself grants that that was likely.

Did suspected WMD site after WMD site turn up empty and devoid of any evidence of WMD production?

-- YES.

The only part of the film's retelling that was falsified was the concrete pinning of fabricating intelligence on the Administration, and then the killing off of witnesses.

I think the Administration, regardless of how flawed its handling of the war was, was too careful not to be seen as 'outright' falsifying intelligence.

 

BOUGHETTO

6:39 AM ET

March 27, 2010

if you belive the official story

Answer me this:

1. how can hani hanjour, who by all accounts was an incompetent pilot on a simulator and couldn't even rent a cessna due to his lack of skill, manage to fly a commercial airliner perfectly parallel to and a few metres off the ground, striking the the *first floor* pentagon at a 90 degree angle, and

2. the pentagon, surely one of the most surveilled buildings in the world, gets hit and the only thing we see is a few seconds of a grainy video shot a few hundred meters away from the point of impact? Why won't they show us, like the repeated clips of the WTC being hit, the plane approaching and hitting the pentagon. Because an airliner flying perfectly parallel to the ground hitting a low building looks awfully suspicious when its not a seasoned professional at the controls. Either that or its not a plane but a cruise missile. But remote controlled commercial jet technology existed in 1984. Google "controlled impact demonstration" and see if this sounds so ridiculous.

The smoking gun is the pentagon, and the government knows it and is dealing with it by not showing clear evidence of a plane flown erratically by a terrorist into a building only a few stories high?

Then you have the insider trading, the freefall speeds, the rivers of molten metal burning for three months after the attack, the missing black boxes, WTC7, William Rodriguez and firefighters hearing sequential explosions (the former hearing one before the first plane hit the WTC), the precedent of Operation Northwoods and the resulting wars of aggression, and all of a sudden Occams Razor makes the official story a laughably ridiculous stretch.

So don't look down on me and the many other pilots, engineers, academics and citizens for questioning the governments account which is just riddled with gaping inconsistencies. Most people are unwilling to confront ugly and uncomfortable truths. But a true patriot would *never* unquestioningly and supinely put their head in the sand in the face of some pretty strong evidence that ones own elected officials may have been involved in the greatest act of terrorism in the last 50 years.

 

SIN NOMBRE

3:58 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Occam has left the building, at a 90 degree angle

A.) Who in the world says and what evidence demands that the plane that hit the Pentagon did so at a perfect 90 degree angle?

B.) I believe you are in desperate need of studying Occam. By rejecting the far simpler explanation of 9/11 having been perpetrated only by bin Laden and a few others, with obvious reason, and the tons of direct evidence pointing to same including bin Laden's open admission, in favor of some giant U.S. conspiracy committed for vague if not impenetrable reason(s), necessarily involving hundreds if not thousands, all who have remained silent, and thus additionally and otherwise invoking purely circumstantial evidence only, it's you who his razor is cutting dude, very deeply indeed I think.

Also, frankly, and acknowledging that everyone makes a mistake sometimes, nevertheless it's this same precise kind of blundering attempt at sophistication that so often leads one, right at the outset, to heavily suspect that the maker's grasp on the substance of whatever issue they're campaigning upon is just as amateur and faulty as what they blundered upon.

In any event you didn't help your cause with me at least my friend.

 

BOUGHETTO

5:01 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Sin Nombre

this is the attitude im talking about. look up operation northwoods and use your critical mind. get your attitude checked. Im a law student and the smartest people in my class at least have the decency to admit there's something to my arguments. My physics and engineering genius friend, who isn't politically engaged at all says the physics of the official 911 story are laughably ridiculous. but, do what you feel and believe what you want. I don't live by trying to convince people like you of anything.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

5:46 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Sin Nombre: 9/11 Skeptics vs. 9/11 True Believers

The 9/11 official story is the most preposterous official government story I have ever encountered. It has been thoroughly demolished wherever its defenders have dared to engage in real debate on the subject. Even high-level 9/11 Commission members find it to be riddled with holes and absurdities from top to bottom.

My personal track record in debunking official nonsense is excellent: well ahead of the curve I saw through the following official conspiracy theories promoted by neoconservatives in the Bush 43 administration:

1. Saddam was behind 9/11.

2. Saddam and Osama bin Laden were political allies and co-conspirators.

3. Saddam was behind the 9/11 anthrax attacks.

4. Osama bin Laden was behind the 9/11 anthrax attacks.

5. Steven Hatfill was behind the 9/11 anthrax attacks.

6. Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

7. the Niger forgeries.

How about you? How good is your ear for detecting official nonsense before it is safe to do so? These *false* conspiracy theories promoted by the government are on track to cost Americans several trillion dollars.

It is also abundantly obvious to me that Bruce Ivins had nothing to do with the 9/11 anthrax attacks, which raises the question: why is the government going to such extraordinary lengths to block further investigations into that matter?

A colleague of Walt at Harvard University, Cass Sunstein, has suggested that analysis and opinion contradicting the 9/11 official story should be met with covert government disruption ops and "cognitive infiltration" (that is, official propaganda and disinformation). Doesn't that level of desperation in defending the official story strike you as remarkable? Why is Sunstein so afraid of confronting, say, David Ray Griffin in an open, fair and rational debate on 9/11? That is how differences of opinion in the interpretation of facts are usually pursued in democratic societies.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

5:54 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Boughetto: Operation Gladio

Perhaps even more important than Operation Northwoods in understanding the reality of false flag ops: Operation Gladio. And one of the leaders of that operation definitely does not believe the official story on 9/11. This is an insider speaking, a mastermind in creating and managing real conspiracies, not a "conspiracy theorist."

(I am referring to former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, by the way -- look up the details.)

 

SIN NOMBRE

6:48 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Occam's Taser

BOUGHETTO wrote:

"Im [sic] a law student...."

Excellent as you'll then understand my conclusion concerning the force (or lack thereof) of the rest of your rebuttal: Res ipsa loquitur.

 

SIN NOMBRE

6:49 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Whew! At least not an argument from someone *else's* authority..

SEANMACBRIDE wrote:

"The 9/11 official story is the most preposterous official government story I have ever encountered.... My personal track record in debunking official nonsense is excellent: well ahead of the curve I ...."

Oh, in *that* case....

 

SEANMCBRIDE

7:25 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Sin Nombre: The hard empirical data on 9/11

This is a good place to start sifting through it:

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/info/

As remarked before, most of these skeptics -- many of them with doctorates in technical fields -- are anything but "conspiracy theorists." They follow the facts and data wherever they lead. But they have a low tolerance for bullshit and do not suffer fools gladly.

Regarding the 9/11 anthrax attacks: how long did it take you to figure out that they were a false flag op and inside job? For me, the accompanying notes, early in the game, were a dead giveaway. Eventually the truth began to trickle out.

And here is a poser for you: who funded the 9/11 attacks at the top of the food chain? Don't you think we should know by now?

 

BOUGHETTO

10:47 PM ET

March 27, 2010

SeanMcBride

Wasnt aware of that operation. will have a closer look soon. Gulf of tonkin is another EG.
see also:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

 

BOUGHETTO

5:33 AM ET

March 28, 2010

sin nombre

"it's this same precise kind of blundering attempt at sophistication"

classic freudian slip, one that requires a remarkable suspension of self-awareness. im not the one dropping latin and metaphysically turning "evidence" into a person who "demands" things.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

2:35 PM ET

March 27, 2010

The 9/11 official story is itself a conspiracy theory

The 9/11 official story is itself a conspiracy theory, and one that was thoroughly demolished, along with five or six other major false conspiracy theories promoted by neoconservatives in the Bush 43 administration, within a few years of the event.

Most 9/11 skeptics are not "conspiracy theorists," but stone cold rational debunkers of nonsensical official stories of all kinds. They tend to be much better educated, and have more intimate knowledge of insider government, military and intelligence activities, than 9/11 True Believers and defenders of the official story. Check out the resumes of some of the skeptics here:

Patriots Question 9/11

Robert Bowman and Lynn Margulis, to name two of hundreds of 9/11 skeptics, are not "conspiracy theorists," and their academic and career credentials are certainly competitive with those of Stephen Walt.

If Professor Walt takes the trouble to read and understand the best analysis of 9/11 to date, he too will likely be converted to the camp of the skeptics. Start with David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage.

Regarding Janine R. Wedel's work: first-rate and important. See her latest essay at the Huffington Post here:

Shadow Elite: March to War -- The Neocon Playbook, Straight from the Soviet Bloc

 

BERNARDZ

3:43 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Creation of a conspiracy theory

This article is silly. There is not conspiracy but a network of well-connected and like-minded elites operating in several sectors of society simultaneously. It will give the writer much satisfaction if it spreads.

 

DAVIDW

4:46 PM ET

March 27, 2010

hiding under the wool

I appreciate Dr. Walt's handling of this topic, yet it ultimately feels like semantics, and a cautionary tale not to use the 'C' word.

But how else would one describe the Iran-Contra scandal? How could that be anything but a conspiracy? Consider if it had never been uncovered, and wild tales by crazy 'truthers' about the US government trading arms to Iran to arm Central American right-wing terror groups, gathering funding via cocaine deals?

The problem with conspiracy theories is the amount of wool they collect; the woolier theories make it easy to reject all claims, as the debunkers simply focus on the more improbable speculations.

In the case of 9/11, we will likely never know the full story of what really happened, and I personally don't believe the theory of Occam's Boxcutter. The problem with conspiracy theories and their debunkers is the perceived goal of learning the 'whole' truth. Those who demand a Grand Unification Theory of the Truth on both sides will most likely never be satisfied.

On the other hand, there is damning evidence from 9/11 that have been misdirected away from. The 'Dancing Israelis' are a damning part of the historical record of 9/11, yet they have been swept under the rug. Why? Is Israeli intelligence's apparent foreknowledge of 9/11 destined to remain labeled as a conspiracy because we'll never know the real truth?

 

SEANMCBRIDE

4:54 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Conspiracy reality: A Mossad team celebrated 9/11

No conspiracy theorizing here -- just investigative journalism at its best:

BEGIN ARTICLE
AUTHOR Christopher Ketcham
TITLE What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks? High-Fivers and Art Student Spies
PUBLICATION Information Clearing House
DATE March 7, 2007
URL http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17260.htm
END ARTICLE

How have 9/11 True Believers handled this and many other stories uncovering serious problems with the official narrative? With verbal abuse, personal attacks, ridicule, evasions, censorship and similar tactics. They are unable to address the concrete facts in head-to-head debate.

 

CYRANO

9:55 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Why is it that this blog by a

Why is it that this blog by a mainstream academic with well thought out opinions based on empirical evidence attracts so many 9/11 Zeitgeist types and rapid anti-Israel haters? I don't see this waste of space crap in anyone else's comments. As an I.R. grad student I would like to make an insightful point in a comment that prompts some kind of interesting discussion hopefully involving Dr. Walt but I can't imagine why he would read through the comments section when it's always full of people totally ignorant about politics and lacking in general critical thinking skills.

 

AR

10:13 PM ET

March 28, 2010

It seems that you are the

It seems that you are the party who is guilty of not using critical thinking. Many of the posts have brought up very legit issues and legit sources, yet you dismiss them. Why is that?

 

MREIN

4:07 PM ET

March 31, 2010

Maybe you should rethink your assumptions

Like this one: "this blog by a mainstream academic with well thought out opinions based on empirical evidence"

 

APARICIO

11:42 PM ET

March 27, 2010

Professor Walt, you should reconsider on 9.11

Professor Walt:

I have classes with you, and you seemed to me the most intelligent scholar I have ever heard in flesh. But I think you shoul do a bit o research on how the official version on the 9.11 is simply ridiculous, absurd when seen in detail.

Many people blindly accuse you of talking about a jewish conspiracy theory for your book on the Israeli Lobby, and you can tell from the beggining that they have not read the book at all.

Well, about, 9.11, I used to be like that, until I did my research on Internet. It is just so obvious that the oficial version is a planned orchestrated lie.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

9:33 AM ET

March 28, 2010

They pass the time

Conspiracy theory is historical fiction like Shakespeare's Richard III; some is credible, some fanciful, some brilliant, some tedious, and some plain dotty.

 

PHILIP FINN

5:01 PM ET

March 28, 2010

"Only the Messiah would claim not to be..."

I'm heartened to see someone else - of better pedigree than myself - take up this discussion. I've been posting for years on the 'net there are no conspiracies because the type of person (according to legend) who would engage in a conspiracy is usually too opportunistic to cooperate with other deviants for very long...Prof. Walt calls them "collusion" I say "convergences", same difference...
It's like the sudden rain at the company picnic; is there a conspiracy to fill the negative space beneath the spreading chestnut tree, or a convergence of people not wanting to get wet?
Also, no one takes into account the Walter Mitty in all of us: how many people do you suppose were investigated by Jim Garrison because they got a few beers in them and said something they neither meant nor remembered? Taken seriously, these "tips" could lead to all manner of false trails over, literally, decades.
It doesn't mean, necessarily, that plots aren't hatched and crimes not committed, but as Walt points out, the conspiracy babble in the Marketplace of Ideas makes their being brought to account less - rather than more - likely.

 

AARONLH

5:38 AM ET

March 29, 2010

Conspiracy theories. You

Conspiracy theories. You mention that when debating people who have conspiratorial views on the Bush years, neocons, etc. that they never admit weaknesses or holes in their arguments. Let's not be one-sided here. This is true of both sides.

Your point about Occam's Razor is quite apt though. For a better theory on the run up to the Iraq war, how about this:
the Bush administration jumped into Afghanistan (as we should have), but they lacked a successful strategy fighting in that graveyard of empires. We were sinking resources and not seeing results. We knew where the al-qaeda leadership was and we were unable to capture or kill them.
Enter Iraq planners. Invading Iraq presented a number of tactical and strategic benefits. Saddam, long-time foe and general bad guy, was the leader of a government structure that would prove much easier to attack and dismantle than the amorphous structure of al-qaeda and the taliban. Rather than simply being bogged down in Afghanistan, our presence in Iraq would keep al-qaeda focused on the region, distracting them from American targets. Iran would have American forces to both the east and the west.

There were quite significant and broad ranging benefits to fighting in Iraq. Unfortunately, after Operation Shock and Awe, the Bush administration was left with the same problem they couldn't solve in Afghanistan, how to fight non-uniform wearing insurgents that hide in plain sight and are unwilling to fight head-to-head against far superior fire power. So rather than achieving those benefits, we actually did the opposite. We spent our time, our money, the lives of American patriots, and significant strategic resources focusing on Iraq whilst those who actually struck us on 9-11 slipped away. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy theory to explain near total failure. The major strategic benefit that was achieved was that by bogging ourselves down in the Middle East and sucking al-qaeda into that, it can be credited with keeping attacks from occurring on American soil.

 

GRANT

6:07 AM ET

March 29, 2010

Interesting. I have always

Interesting. I have always been of the opinion that neoconservatives pushed for war without thinking it was a conspiracy theory. My belief had always been that their position in the 90s combined with a certain world view led them to decide on going to war with Iraq when people with a different view point would have decided not to.
To me that isn't a conspiracy theory, I see it as looking at events through the 'liberal international relations viewpoint' which argues that the personalities of the leaders weigh heavily in making decisions as opposed to the 'realist international relations viewpoint' which holds that all leaders will make similar decisions regardless of their type of government or personal views.

 

PAUL81

8:04 AM ET

March 29, 2010

Liberal hawks

Another reason the Iraq war cannot be a "conspiracy" -- the complicity of liberal hawks (like Friedman himself!! And Pollack....And O'Hanlon...and the Clintons...etc.) that supported and advocated for the Iraq War, as well as for our continued involvement there (some of it more related to human rights concerns, but also on democracy promotion grounds).

There was no "hijacking" here. But there was definitely logrolling. Let's not forget that. Sure some of the liberal hawks have admitted their mistakes, unlike the neocons, but there overall worldview does makes it very likely that they will mishandle future foreign policy decisions, and logrolling with neocons is still very likely to occur. Especially after neocons and liberal hawks have proven pretty adept at the operational and tactical successes in Iraq and I believe Afghanistan (eventually). Unfortunately these successes will likely overshadow the strategic failures.

But anyway, liberal hawks are even more dangerous than neocons because of their larger numbers, domestic position (liberals must appear strong on defense -- complete bs), and their shared attributes with neocons (assurance that they are on the "right side of history"; human rights concerns; democracy promotion; American exceptionalism).

 

M.MIKE

1:38 PM ET

March 29, 2010

Corrupt

I think that no matter what party is in office the US government is corrupt. There are all kinds of these small groups influencing what is happening against the will of the people. I don't think of this is a conspiracy but I think that focus on conspiracy theories camouflages that fact.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

3:26 PM ET

March 29, 2010

Real conspiracies

Does everyone here agree that the following are real and confirmed conspiracies?

1. ADL spying on Americans
2. Bernard Madoff
3. COINTELPRO
4. Dubai assassination
5. Enron
6. Gulf of Tonkin
7. Iran-Contra
8. Italian Mafia
9. Jonathan Pollard
10. Lavon Affair/Operation Susannah
11. MKULTRA
12. Niger forgeries
13. Operation Gladio
14. Operation Mockingbird
15. Operation Northwoods
16. Propaganda Due
17. Reichstag Fire
18. Russian Mafia
19. USS Liberty attack and cover-up
20. Watergate

There are many, many more.

By the way, governments around the world spend many billions of dollars every year to detect and to run conspiracies. What business do you think the operations divisions of major intelligence agencies are in? What activities do attorneys general largely concentrate on uncovering?

In the affairs of the world, from the dawn of human civilization, conspiracies are just business as usual.

Many false conspiracy theories are planted by real conspirators to muddy the waters and cover their tracks. Philip Roth, in "Operation Shylock" (his novel on the Mossad), mentions, in so many words (and from memory), "jamming circuits with so much cuckoo nonsense."

Methods for flooding the world with false conspiracy theories have been mastered and refined by the world's leading conspirators. Wrap your mind around that. It's a branch of psychological operations.

 

SIN NOMBRE

10:59 PM ET

March 29, 2010

Good on ya!

Have to say Sean that one doesn't have to agree that each and every item on your list qualifies as a conspiracy to observe that it's still an impressive reminder and you make a valid point.

As with any other point it can of course be taken too far, but that doesn't rob it of all validity.

 

MREIN

4:58 PM ET

March 29, 2010

Wow!

Professor Walt-

I think you should reflect upon the readers that you attract. You are performing a public service by allowing people a forum to demonstrate the Real Truth about 9/11.

Anyway, it's very appropriate that you posted that picture for this post because the question is best directed to you: At long last sir, have you no shame?

Your misspelling of Ari Shavit's name as Ari Shavitz demonstrates where you got this "quote" from Tom Friedman from. If you Google "Friedman Ari Shavitz" you come across lots of other crackpot websites that similarly "misquote" Tom Friedman. The actual original article can be found here http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=280279&contrassID=2&subContrassID=14&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y, and it's no surprise that you did not provide a link to it. It makes clear that Tom Friedman was MAKING A JOKE that he quickly retracted lest he be misunderstood or misquoted by some yokel who somehow got tenure at a formerly prestigious university.

Here's what Shavit reports that Friedman said:

"Is the Iraq war the great neoconservative war? It's the war the neoconservatives wanted, Friedman says. It's the war the neoconservatives marketed. Those people had an idea to sell when September 11 came, and they sold it. Oh boy, did they sell it. So this is not a war that the masses demanded. This is a war of an elite. Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

Still, it's not all that simple, Friedman retracts. It's not some fantasy the neoconservatives invented. It's not that 25 people hijacked America. You don't take such a great nation into such a great adventure with Bill Kristol and the Weekly Standard and another five or six influential columnists. In the final analysis, what fomented the war is America's over-reaction to September 11. The genuine sense of anxiety that spread in America after September 11. It is not only the neoconservatives who led us to the outskirts of Baghdad. What led us to the outskirts of Baghdad is a very American combination of anxiety and hubris."

I would tell you to sell Crazy somewhere else, Professor Walt, but it appears that lots of folks are buying here.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

5:41 PM ET

March 29, 2010

Mrein: Neocon wars

Overwhelming evidence demonstrates that neoconservatives, and neoconservative think tanks, policy centers and media outlets, were the key ringleaders behind the Iraq and Afpak Wars, and are now the key ringleaders behind the campaign to ratchet up conflict with Iran. This is a claim that is easy to prove and graph with thousands of well-documented facts.

Regarding 9/11: do you have any comments on and analysis of this article?

BEGIN ARTICLE
AUTHOR Christopher Ketcham
TITLE What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks? High-Fivers and Art Student Spies
PUBLICATION Information Clearing House
DATE March 7, 2007
URL http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17260.htm
END ARTICLE

 

MREIN

5:47 PM ET

March 29, 2010

That evidence is certainly

That evidence is certainly overwhelming, Mr. McBride. At least its stench is.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

6:03 PM ET

March 29, 2010

Mrein: Evidence

If you are referring to evidence concerning the role of neoconservatives in ringleading the Global War on Terror, World War IV, the Clash of Civilizations, etc., I could post a long bibliography of dozens of reputable books and articles. Do you require that, or are your Amazon.com and Google searching skills up to the task?

If you are referring to the Christopher Ketcham article on the Mossad high-fivers: which particular *facts* in the article do you contest, and on what grounds? This story was also covered by Fox News and ABC News, but quickly buried. Details about the censorship campaign are covered in the Ketcham article. Why has the story been censored?

 

CARTILAGE

6:34 PM ET

March 30, 2010

SEANMCBRIDE

Fox news actually ran a story on the Israeli high-fivers. It was quickly pulled, some say, by orders from the white house. Not many remember this story, I'm glad you do. What sticks in most people's minds is the dancing palestinian children shown on tv the day of the attacks, as we were told that they were celebrating the 9/11 attacks. Of course, no one showed a video of them actually witnessing the attacks then celebrating, for all we know someone could have handed them a bunch of candy and filmed it.

 

CARTILAGE

6:35 PM ET

March 30, 2010

SEAN

I had posted a reply to your comment before you elaborated. At any rate, we are on the same page.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

6:59 PM ET

March 30, 2010

Cartilage: The Mossad high-fivers

As I recall, the footage of Palestinians supposedly celebrating 9/11 was culled from video that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, from a previous time. But sectors of the mainstream media were primed and ready to go with inciting propaganda to exploit 9/11 for maximum effect. When confronted by the police, the Mossad team remarked: "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."

Notice that no defenders of the 9/11 official story have attempted to discuss or rebut the factual substance of Ketcham's article on the Mossad high-fivers. No surprise there -- one consistently sees this pattern of evasion, silence, verbal abuse, etc. in "debates" about the hard evidence concerning 9/11.

So many questions, but here are two: 1. Where is the video that the Mossad team took of the WTC on 9/11? 2. Where is the video that the Mossad team took of themselves celebrating 9/11? We know that the video must be out there. What happened to the video?

What happened to the videos from all the security cameras in the vicinity of the Pentagon on 9/11?

Where are the black boxes?

See: once you start asking questions about simple and fundamental aspects of 9/11, all of which should have long ago been thoroughly explored and resolved by professional investigators, journalists and historians, it's difficult to stop. 9/11 is a black hole, with more and more unanswered questions continuing to pile up.

Speculation: 9/11 may have been the most badly bungled false flag operation in world history. Which reminds one that the Iraq War was the most badly bungled foreign policy and military operation in American history.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

2:47 PM ET

March 30, 2010

A fresh and very real international conspiracy

The topic of Israel's theft of passports from numerous nations is actually a major conspiracy issue of its own, apart from the Dubai assassination. Conspiracies happen:

"UK tabloid: Israel 'forged thousands of IDs'"
Ynet News
March 29, 2010
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3869514,00.html

The most recent update on this story:

The British secret intelligence service (MI6) suspects that airline staff working for the Israeli secret service Mossad may have copied thousands of British passports, some of which were used in the assassination of senior Hamas figure Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai, the News of the World tabloid reported Sunday.

According to the report, British authorities are also concerned about security searches carried out on British officials attending a terrorism conference in Israel last September.

MI6 believe that Britons flying to Israel have been targeted for months and their documents have been cloned, the newspaper said, adding that the Foreign Office held top level talks last week on whether to issue a warning against travelling with certain airlines.

The forging method was already revealed last week in a statement made by the British government to the parliament after the use of British citizens' identities in the Dubai assassination was revealed. According to the statement, 12 passports used by the assassins were cloned in different airports while the British nationals were on their way to Israel. They were taken away for "examinations" which lasted 20 minutes each.

In addition to the investigation into the falsification of British passports, the United Kingdom authorities are also checking whether Israeli intelligence elements took advantage of a visit to Israel by British security officials in order to clone their passports.

British police sources said the officials had undergone strict security checks upon arriving in Israel.

"It was said to be routine but the searches did not apply to all nations," a source told the newspaper. "There is now a real concern that some of these high-ranking officers and officials have also had documents cloned."

 

SEANMCBRIDE

2:55 PM ET

March 30, 2010

Who are the ten most influential neoconservatives?

One take on that question:

1. Daniel Pipes
2. Elliott Abrams
3. Irving Kristol
4. John Podhoretz
5. Michael Ledeen
6. Norman Podhoretz
7. Paul Wolfowitz
8. Richard Perle
9. Robert Kagan
10. William Kristol

Any other views on that matter?

(Irving Kristol is no longer among the living, but he was a co-godfather of the movement, along with Norman Podhoretz.)

 

DAVE123

6:55 PM ET

March 30, 2010

"First, they often claim to

"First, they often claim to expose the secret machinations of a small group of individuals, acting to accomplish some nefarious but largely-hidden purpose. Second, they attribute to the designated group vast and far-reaching powers, including a mysterious ability to control (rather than simply influence) a wide array of institutions. Yet a conspiracy theory (as opposed to a careful institutional analysis) never identifies the precise mechanisms by which this alleged control is achieved and normally fails to provide concrete evidence to justify its far-reaching claims. "

Walt. Mirror. Look.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

7:11 PM ET

March 30, 2010

Dave123: A few books by and about the nonexistent neoconservativ

1. Alan Weisman; Prince of Darkness: Richard Perle: The Kingdom, the Power, and the End of Empire in America; 2007; Union Square Press

2. Craig Unger; American Armageddon: How the Delusions of the Neoconservatives and the Christian Right Triggered the Descent of America -- and Still Imperil Our Future; 2008; Scribner

3. David Frum, Richard Perle; An End To Evil: How To Win The War On Terror; 2004; Ballantine Books

4. Dore Gold; The Fight for Jerusalem: Radical Islam, the West, and the Future of the Holy City; 2007; Regnery Publishing

5. Fred Kaplan; Daydream Believers: How a Few Grand Ideas Wrecked American Power; 2008; Wiley

6. Irving Kristol; Neo-conservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea; 1999; Ivan R. Dee

7. Irwin Stelzer; The Neocon Reader; 2004; Grove Press

8. Jacob Heilbrunn; They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons; 2008; Doubleday

9. James Bamford; A Pretext for War; 9/11, Iraq and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies; 2005; Anchor Books

10. James Petras; Rulers and Ruled in the US Empire: Bankers, Zionists and Militants; 2007; Clarity Press

11. James Petras; The Power of Israel in the United States; 2006; Clarity Press

12. Janine R. Wedel; Shadow Elite: How the World's New Power Brokers Undermine Democracy, Government, and the Free Market; 2009; Basic Books

13. John Ehrman; The Rise of Neoconservatism: Intellectuals and Foreign Affairs, 1945-1994; 1996; Yale University Press

14. John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt; 2007; The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy; Farrar, Straus and Giroux

15. Mark Steyn; America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It; 2008; Regnery Press

16. Michael Ledeen; Obama's Betrayal of Israel (Encounter Broadsides); 2009; Encounter Books

17. Michael Ledeen; The Iranian Time Bomb: The Mullah Zealots' Quest for Destruction; 2007; Truman Talley Books

18. Michael Ledeen; The War Against the Terror Masters: Why It Happened, Where We Are Now, How We'll Win; 2002; St. Martin's Press

19. Murray Friedman; The Neoconservative Revolution: Jewish Intellectuals and the Shaping of Public Policy; 2006; Cambridge University Press

20. Norman Podhoretz; World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism; 2007; Doubleday

21. Peter Steinfels; The Neoconservatives; 1979; Simon & Schuster

22. Ron Suskind; The One Percent Doctrine: Deep Inside America's Pursuit of Its Enemies Since 9/11; 2007; Simon & Schuster

23. Stefan Halper, Jonathan Clarke; America Alone: The Neo-Conservatives and the Global Order; 2005; Cambridge University Press

24. Stephen J. Sniegoski; The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel; 2008; IHS Press

25. Steven Emerson; American Jihad: The Terrorists Living Among Us; 2003; Free Press

 

MREIN

4:11 PM ET

March 31, 2010

Seriously

Has anyone ever been less self-aware than Professor Walt?

 

CYRANO

1:07 AM ET

March 31, 2010

"I think you should reflect

"I think you should reflect upon the readers that you attract. You are performing a public service by allowing people a forum to demonstrate the Real Truth about 9/11."

No, here's the point, you already HAVE your own message boards and forums where you can go jerk each other off and self-congratulate about how you are the only ones who know the "Real Truth". Over here, you're not successfully evangelizing to ANYONE. Go back to them, cause no one who thinks that Islamic Terrorists perpetrated 9/11 wants to get stuck in gigantic, slippery debates about "who really caused 9/11?" with you lot. Anyone who's curious can just google it and look for themselves, no one spouting off about Operation Gladio (which is certainly a fascinating episode of Cold War history) is going to convince anyone that 9/11 was caused by the U.S. government. Stop rendering this comments section irrelevant to the author by spouting all your lame beliefs here, go do it elsewhere, and stop trying to provoke arguments like a middle schooler who just got involved with politics for the first time. You already HAVE your places, stop invading other ones.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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