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Last week, the online journal Politico published a story by reporter Laura Rozen on certain divisions within the Obama administration on Middle East policy. What made the story especially explosive was a quotation from an unnamed administration source describing senior White House aide Dennis Ross as being "far more sensitive to Netanyahu's coalition politics than to U.S. interests."

As one might expect, this statement raised the old specter of "dual loyalty," and from several directions. Critics of Ross suggested that he was guilty of it, while defenders complained that he was being tarred with a familiar anti-Semitic slur. Indeed, Rozen subsequently updated her story with a statement by NSC chief of staff Denis McDonough defending Ross and underscoring "his commitment to this country and to our vital interests," an obvious attempt by the administration to head off the issue before it gained traction.

How should we think about the "dual loyalty" question, either in this context or in many others? To me this is a tricky issue that ought to be handled with some delicacy, and we ought to employ a different vocabulary to discuss it.

One might start by remembering that the phrase "dual loyalty" has a regrettable and sordid history, given its origins as a nasty anti-Semitic canard in old Europe. Accusing anyone -- and especially someone who is Jewish -- of "dual loyalty" is bound to trigger a heated reaction, and for good reason. Furthermore many people believe patriotism (i.e., love of one's country) is a profoundly important value, so any behavior that seems to be at odds with that principle carries powerful negative connotations. In a world where nationalism remains a potent doctrine, casting doubt on anyone's loyalty is a serious charge.

More recently, however, scholars have used the term "dual loyalty" in more analytical and neutral fashion, based on the obvious fact that all human beings have multiple loyalties or attachments. Most of us feel a strong attachment to our own country, for example, but we also feel a sense of loyalty to family, friends, religion, ethnic groups, sports teams, etc.).  Patriotism is only one of these competing loyalties, and does not necessarily trump the others. The novelist E. M. Forster famously remarked that if forced to choose between betraying a friend or betraying his country, he hoped he would have the guts to betray the latter, and a 2006 Pew survey of Christians in thirteen countries found that 42 percent of U.S. respondents saw themselves "as Christians first and Americans second." All this is just to remind us that "loyalty" to a country is just one of the many attachments that we all feel.

Moreover, in a world where members of different national or ethnic groups often live in many different places, tensions inevitably arise between different sorts of national allegiance. Today, therefore, scholars use the term "dual loyalty" to describe the widespread circumstance where individuals feel genuine and legitimate attachments to more than one country. A good example is Israeli political scientist Gabriel Sheffer's book Diaspora Politics, which distinguishes between "total," "dual," and "divided" loyalties, and Sheffer shows that all three responses are bound to occur when members of particular ethnic, national, or religious groups live in different countries. 

Needless to say, in a melting-pot society like the United States, it was inevitable that many Americans would also have strong attachments to other countries. These different attachments may reflect ancestry, religious affiliation, personal experience (such as overseas study), or any number of other sources. The key point, however, is that in the United States it is entirely legitimate to manifest such attachments in political life.  Americans can hold dual citizenship, for example, or form an interest group whose avowed purpose is to shape U.S. policy towards a specific country. This is how the American system of government works, and there is nothing "disloyal" about such conduct.

But what about getting directly involved as a government official, and in issue-areas where important interests are at stake? Instead of invoking phrases like "dual loyalty," a rhetoric that immediately invokes connotations of betrayal (or even treason), I suggest we frame the issue as one of potential conflicts of interest. Simply put, is it in the best interest of the United States as a whole to place U.S. policy on key issues in the hands of people whose even-handedness is not beyond question, and especially when there is evidence that they feel a strong personal attachment to a foreign country with whom the United States may have important disagreements? 

In many walks of life, we routinely expect people to recuse themselves from issues in which their own interests or attachments might affect their judgment. Judges and jurors are excused from cases where they have clear ties to one of the contending parties. University faculty and administrators are often expected to divulge relationships (including outside consulting) that might affect their objectivity or probity. We would also regard it as inappropriate if a financial advisor recommended investing in a company owned by a family member, and all the more so if they failed to divulge the connection. Why? Because there is a conflict of interest.

By the same logic, we have valid reason for concern whenever someone was making policy in an area where they have clear financial interests (which is why public officials are often expected to liquidate certain investments or place them in blind trusts), or if their prior associations made it clear that they felt a strong attachment to one or more interested parties. There are good reasons why a former lobbyist for an oil company might not be the best choice for the Department of Interior or the Environmental Protection Agency (which is not to say that such appointments never happen, of course). Because a public servant's responsibility is to do what is in the best interest of the country as a whole, and not to favor the interests of any specific group, we normally worry when an obvious conflict of interest is discovered.  And that same principle ought to apply to the making of foreign policy.

Identifying potential conflicts of interest can be tricky, however, which suggests we ought to proceed carefully. It would be inappropriate, it seems to me, to disqualify anyone from public service in a particular policy area solely on the basis of their ethnic or religious background or even their family ties. It would be wrong to exclude someone from work on South Asia policy simply because they were a Pakistani-American or an Indian-American. Similarly, I would not exclude a Muslim American, Arab-American, or Jewish-American from involvement in U.S. Middle East policy simply because of their background, or exclude someone who happened to be married to a Korean from working on U.S. policy in East Asia.

But when an individual's own activities or statements give independent evidence of strong attachment to a particular foreign country, is it a good idea to give them an influential role in shaping U.S. policy towards that country? If disagreements arise between that country and Washington, won't this place these officials in a difficult position, and raise questions about their ability to conduct policy in a wholly objective manner? And even if they are sincerely attempting to advance the U.S. interest, won't their sense of identity with the foreign country in question incline them towards certain approaches that may or may not be optimal?

To return to where we began: Isn't it obvious that U.S. policy towards the Middle East is likely to be skewed when former employees of WINEP or AIPAC have important policy-making roles, and when their own prior conduct has made it clear that they have a strong attachment to one particular country in the region? The point is not to question their patriotism, which is not the issue. Rather, the question is whether an attachment to Israel shapes how they think about the peace process, Iran, and the extent to which U.S. and Israeli interests are congruent. Their patriotism can be above reproach, but their advice may still be advancing policies that are not in the U.S. interest. 

By the way, I'd have the same worries if U.S. Middle East policy were turned over to key figures from the American Task Force on Palestine or the National Iranian-American Council. When there are important national security issues at stake, wouldn't it make more sense to have U.S. policy in the hands of people without strong personal feelings about any of interested parties? Ironically, someone like that might end up pursuing policies that were better for all concerned.

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DAVID IN DC

5:21 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Steve Walt's litmus test

Simply put, is it in the best interest of the United States as a whole to place U.S. policy on key issues in the hands of people whose even-handedness is not beyond question, and especially when there is evidence that they feel a strong personal attachment to a foreign country with whom the United States may have important disagreements?

And so it begins.

Relatedly, I'm sure I won't be the only one to note that this is at odds with Steve's unqualified defense of Chas Freeman and his full-throated attack on those voicing the exact same concerns he does here.

Ironically, in his attacks on Freeman's critics, Steve uses insinuations of dual loyalties to impugn the critics' motives.

 

DAVID IN DC

7:49 PM ET

April 2, 2010

But when an individual's own

But when an individual's own activities or statements give independent evidence of strong attachment to a particular foreign country, is it a good idea to give them an influential role in shaping U.S. policy towards that country?

Conversely, if an individual's own activities or statements give independent evidence of a strong antipathy towards a particular country, is it a good idea to give them an influential role in shaping U.S policy towards that country?

Clearly I am referring to our blog host here. It is one thing to write the book he did, another to present a one-sided/biased history of the continuing Arab-Israeli conflict[1], and yet another to gratuitously bash Israel in order to meet his blogging obligations. With the latter I am referring to his trolling anti-Zionist websites like Mondoweiss and bringing over items that have nothing to do with foreign policy or "the Lobby", but simply because they paint Israel in a bad light. While the others can be explained away, it is this last which gives real, independent evidence of Steve's antipathy towards Israel.

I tend to suspect Steve does not see it this way. That his attachments/antipathies reflect what is really in the best interests of the US, unlike all those other guys whose attachments/antipathies are causing them to fool themselves about what is best for the US.

[1] Steve has drawn heavily, if not solely, on the so-called New Historians, while discounting other historians' contradictory findings that don't comport with the narrative he wants to portray.

 

WHATADOUCHE

8:20 PM ET

April 2, 2010

DAVID in DC/DAVE123 - Stop trolling this blog

It's very annoying. Do you not have a job or anything better to do with your time than post non-intelligent and baseless charges against the author? You are not advancing your cause and in fact more readers will look negatively at Israel now because they'll associate their actions with your inept ramblings. Get a life.

 

DAVID IN DC

8:41 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Hi Whatadouche, I disagree.

Hi Whatadouche, I disagree.

I think people will read a civil and reasoned post, recognize it as such, and agree or disagree. When they see a reply like yours, it just reinforces the fact that despite the fact that while some people strongly disagree to the point where they are motivated to make a post like yours, they are unable to address the facts of the argument.

So, as far as that goes, thanks for replying.

 

DAVID IN DC

11:32 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Another scinitillating

Another scinitillating reply.

Thanks for your input, J Thomas.

The point is the same as the first post -- namely that Steve has a double standard when it comes to Israel and its supporters. Does anyone think for one minute that he would apply the same standard to himself, or did apply the same standard to Chas Freeman, as he does here towards a supporter of Israel like Dennis Ross? Hardly.

 

DAVID IN DC

1:20 PM ET

April 3, 2010

J Thomas, synthesis

I have said the exact same thing about Marc Lynch here. While it doesn't make for very compelling analysis, it is very interesting to see the Arab point of view/mindset.

 

DAN HUCK

6:36 AM ET

April 4, 2010

Can there be a conflict of interest if we are 'bound' together?

In Freeman's case, as I understood the position he was being considered for, he would not have been the policy maker; also, as now, the viewpoint Freeman subscribes to is an alternative one which, out-front, makes it clear obeisance to the Israel Lobby is not part of its shtick. That brings up the question which might follow on Steve's question (and in line with DEPETRIS' comment) - Since many might feel it's not possible to pick five or ten close advisers 'whose even-handedness is not beyond question', isn't it imperative that policy is in the hands of people who have exemplified through their associations and background, at least the clear appearance of even-handedness, in spite of the natural inclinations which might be reasonably expected from a person, because we all have baggage? For me, most importantly, in the ten, or the five, high-level advisers, is there a reasonable balance of individuals reflecting the different viewpoints? Have they been up-front about their potential conflict-of-interest areas? At least, do they see they may have some?
Beyond this, if, for example, the Secretary of State is of the opinion, in a new take on Christian theology, that since 1967 (?) we have been a new state, composed of two nations, indivisible, with an unending bond uniting us, and if she is joined in that opinion by our President and a majority of Congress, as well as by the people themselves, then the question itself, at least relating to partisans of the state of Israel, is an 'existential threat' to the union.

 

ARGONNE18

4:20 PM ET

April 4, 2010

Just what this thread is about-David DC, Bhudda....etc.

It's about dual loyalty and whose values you identify with. DavidDC, Bhudda and others, read my lines and those of many others in the threads below. When your zionism, or percieved jewish identity, allows you to overlook, or, cheer, the long list of truely nazi behavior that Israel has exhibited from it's inception, you have lost even minimum morality. Those are not american values. You are demonstating for all to see that zionism trumps justice and decency....and your loyalty to your own country when your own country is in the right. Can you be that morally challenged honestly? Your mantra is "SOME OTHER COUNTRY right or wrong". Bad enough when it's, "MY country right or wrong".

 

ARGONNE18

4:37 PM ET

April 4, 2010

Paid internet shills

We all are aware that Israel, in another demonstration of her democratic enlightenment, pays thousands of people too shout down any criticism of Israel. I suspect we are experiencing this now.

 

AKIVA

9:35 PM ET

April 4, 2010

To Argonne18 - Israel, Nazis...and the real bad guys

Whenever someone compares Israel to the Nazis, it shows not only bad behavior but complete ignorance or malice. Nowhere in the entire Middle East do Arabs...and women..and gays...and Christians...and Bahai...and any other minority group you can think of...have more freedom than they have in Israel. Do you know that Israel formed the first-ever institute back in the 1960s to teach women from developing countries the leadership skills they could take back with them to their countries to improve the lives and status of women? Israel has contributed so much to the world. And yet, ever since Israel's founding, its neighbors have sought over and over to destroy it. And rather than founding a state, the Palestinians have chosen to make war. They could have had a country this whole time...and built something for themselves as the Israelis have. Instead, they have chosen hatred and war. What a tragedy.

 

ARGONNE18

11:01 PM ET

April 4, 2010

What do YOU call it.

Jews only laws. Jews only roads, Jews only jobs, aryan master race/ chosen people doctrine, leibenstaum ordained by god, "ze are only palestinians" I guess you could also call it Jim Crow. How about white supremacy. Take off your monocle and take a looooong look in the mirror. Put the shoe on. It fits.

 

BETZ55

2:55 PM ET

April 5, 2010

Akiva - what a load of crock hasbara

Arabs have more freedom in Israel than anywhere else in the ME? Where? Name one mosque in Tel-Aviv? Have you checked Ma'an news agency to. No? Palestinains Christians to be barred from Old City.

Your kidding with this stuff right? Pure hasbara. There is NO free access to Muslim holy places for Muslims.No non-J'lem Muslims can visit the city’s holy places. Only women and the elderly who are J'lem residents can do so.

Democracy? Where? In Israel the police, military, and the government don’t have to pay attention to court orders, UN rulings or resolutions, Geneva conventions, or rules of international law if they choose not to do so.

You are also neglecting to remember that Israel has no constitution. In fact, if Israel had a constitution it might actually be the democracy that your claiming it is.You clearly don't know or don't care about the very rights such a constitution would protect.You care only for Jewish rights. What about Israeli Palestinian citizens’ rights?

A country that is based on a single religion is, by definition, NOT a democracy.

If Israel were a democracy, it would not be so frightened and be so aggressive against everyone who objects to its official line.

It is not just a question of basic intolerance for different and even subversive opinions and actions, whose expression is a fundamental value in every democracy. It is also a manifestation of edginess and aggressiveness that prove what you and others like you want so much to show in Israel and abroad: trying to make the stink of Israel’s failed policies smell like roses when we all know they just stink

 

A MANN

12:02 PM ET

April 7, 2010

No non-J'lem Muslims can visit the city’s holy places.

@BETZ55

Hasan Bey Mosque in Yafo.

The Canadian Muslim Irshad Manji describes her difficulty in visiting Al Akhsa and places the blame entirely on the the local Muslim authorities.

 

SMCI60652

3:19 PM ET

April 7, 2010

No

Irshad Manji "Muslims" can't visit the Holy Sites.

I don't agree with the decision, but to be completely honest, it's not like Irshad Manji isn't contorversial or anything.

Any Muslim can go. A handful of controversial "Muslims" who are more-often-than-not just paid stooges who say they are Muslims in order to create friction, are kindly asked to stay the hell out.

Again, I don't agree with it, but it's not as simplistic as "only Jerusalem dwelling Muslims can get in."

 

SQUEEDLE

7:15 PM ET

April 12, 2010

Not a valid comparison, sorry.

@J THOMAS:
"I can't right off think of any other evil things the Nazis did that the Israelis have not done, but probably careful investigation would turn up some."

You need to reread this statement and examine the bigotry it reveals about yourself. Perhaps you aren't thinking very hard. Do you honestly believe that Israel "probably" employs doctors to perform bizarre, unbelievably painful medical experiments on children and adults, for example? The Nazis' level of deliberate, institutionalized, cruelty, savagery and brutality was the result of a philosophy that certain groups of people did not deserve to exist on this planet. I think it is quite clear, regardless of what Israel and some Israelis have done, that Israeli actions and policies are not motivated by such a belief. I certainly have never seen even an inkling that this is the case.

There are things that Israel has done for at least some Palestinians and Israeli Arabs that the Nazis never, ever would have done: let them serve in government, paid for their schooling, kept them imprisoned and not executed them.

The kinds of behaviors that Israeli soldiers and other Israelis share with Nazis are also shared by just about any large groups fighting each other. So the comparison is simply wrong, and when you use it you are personally impeding the peace process, if only by a small amount, by inflaming hatred. I myself have been guilty of this in the past and I realized how abjectly wrongheaded it was. You should too.

 

DAVE123

5:34 PM ET

April 2, 2010

A lot of obfuscation to

A lot of obfuscation to simply make the point that anyone who has a favorable view of Israel has dual loyalties and should not be in a decision making position.

The previous poster was spot on. Walt is a complete hypocrite. Chas Freeman clearly had strong attachments to China and Saudi Arabia, yet Walt gave him unqialified support.

 

JANBEKSTER

5:45 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Dual Loyalty.

One would humbly say that, life is full of dilemas. Mr. Ross story aside, if one understands the meaning of dual loyalty correcttly, then it is a contradiction or at least a clash between two loyalties or more. If we talk in the abstract, when any person doesn't wish to fall under the category of "the last refuge for a scoundrel is patriotism", then what happens when the issue of human rights clashes with what is supposed to be the best interest of a state?. What happens when religious freedom advocacy becomes a threat to the best interest of a state?, and what happens when a citizen calls foe the respect of democratis rights; where such rights are habitually disregarded, would that person be considerd; holding dual loyalty to universal as well as particular ideals?. Is the formula of "My country right or wrong" still aplicable?.
khairi janbek.paris/france

 

DEPETRIS@WORDPRESS.COM

6:09 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Most people hold dual-loyalties

Ideally, you want a public official to have a non-partisan and moderate stance on important issues in foreign-policy (and domestic policy for that matter). Appointing a member of AIPAC to a high position in the State Department or tapping an oil lobbyist to represent the Energy Department is obviously not a great P.R. move. For instance, the AIPAC member or the oil secretary may be basing his or her decisions on how policy will effect the state of Israel or the oil industry, instead of how policy will effect the interests of the United States (as Dr. Walt says).

Everyone wants a moderate and "clean" individual to head a department or agency in the government. But the fact that most people hold so many loyalties makes this task virtually impossible. Defense Secretary Robert Gates represents U.S. defense policy, but he is also the top representative of the U.S. Military. The military's job is to defend the country, but doesn't the military also have interests that are incongruent with U.S. policy? Absolutely. Take a look at the Cold War, when a number of U.S. commanders wanted to use aggression against the Soviet Union instead of containment.

The point is not to disparage the military. The point is that all departments and all people have interests that could run contrary to U.S. interests. There isn't an ideal person out there that is 100 percent loyal to the country as a whole.

http://www.depetris.wordpress.com

 

SIR_MIXXALOT

6:11 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Israeli exceptionalism

No Daves,
It is the fact that dual loyalty (US and Israel) is REQUIRED as a litmus test in the USG that is the travesty.

If you do not have dual loyalty (i.e. shudder -- you are NOT a friend of Israel, but are JUST a friend of USA) you cannot succeed (see Chas Freeman).

Why does Hillary Clinton have to attend the AIPAC summit? Right wing militant zionists are less than 1% of the US population, but they have commandeered our FP.

That is the travesty.

 

COURTNEYME109

5:21 PM ET

April 3, 2010

Incorrect Sir Mixx

The travesty is equating equal stats betwixt illegit, unelected regimes and functional democracies. Dual Loyalty? What laugh - Great Satan fans have always had affinities for sister democracies.

Instead, try the Straussian method "which one of these things is NOT like the other" instead of amoral relativism.'

 

KHARBAUGH

6:27 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Jewish People Policy Planning Institute (Ross's chairmanship of)

I have a simple question:

How can anyone who has been
Chairman of the Board of the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute
http://www.jpppi.org.il/JPPPI/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=84&FID=359
be considered anything but a tool (that's the right word) of the Jewish people?
That's what the very title says.
Try and obfuscate that!

Now there is nothing wrong with
working for the best interests of the Jewish people.
Further, every American has every right to do his or her utmost
for their benefit.
But surely that provides prima facie, even res ipsa loquitur, evidence that
the person is not and cannot be considered neutral
in the manifest on-going conflict between
Israel and the people whom it displaced,
and so has no business being anywhere near
the making of U.S. policy towards this volatile and critical region.

 

DAVE123

7:13 PM ET

April 2, 2010

KHARBAUGH thanks for making

KHARBAUGH thanks for making clear that it is Jews you have a problem with and not just Israelis. At least you are honest.

 

SIR_MIXXALOT

7:57 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Yes, Dave, Zionism CREATES anti-Semitism. Congratulations.

Yes, Dave123 -- the Zionist experiment has succeeded. Congratulations to you.

Since the early 20th century, Zionists have waged a relentless campaign to equate their political movement with the Jewish religion. They have largely succeeded; in the eyes of many, Zionism and Judaism are one and the same, and opposition to Zionism becomes opposition to Judaism. But that doesn't change the fact that the two are antithetical.

I am a Jew, and I know from my religious education that if the Jewish people are to attain the Holy Land, it will be through the Messiah, and not with guns.

Jews are taught to heal the world ("tikkun olam"), not to displace families, create refugee camps, and practice collective punishment such as that used against Jews in the past.

So long as this confounding of Zionism with Judaism continues, it will sow anti-Semitism. But, in the end, anti-Semitism serves the Zionist ideology.

The more anti-Semitism they create, the happier Zionists are.

 

BLUE13326

7:23 PM ET

April 2, 2010

And so we come full circle

And so we come full circle and the transition to Joe McCarthy is complete.

 

DAVID IN DC

8:28 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Inappropriate, indeed

It would be inappropriate, it seems to me, to disqualify anyone from public service in a particular policy area solely on the basis of their ethnic or religious background...

Does this strike anyone else as unusually tepid?

To do this would be unequivocally wrong and against all of our values. Steve is a good lefty and we have never previously seen him be shy about denouncing all types of bigotry or discrimination in absolute terms. Why the qualifying clause now? Does Steve really feel this is simply a matter of opinion?

 

SIR_MIXXALOT

8:01 PM ET

April 2, 2010

FP article on how US ended up supporting Israel

The origin of the special relationship --nothing has changed in 50 years:

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/04/01/petraeus_wasnt_the_first

"He then added: Jewish-Americans were an important voting bloc and would favor the decision. "

and:

"I thought that to adopt these suggestions would have precisely the opposite effect from that intended by him. The transparent dodge to win a few votes would not, in fact, achieve this purpose. The great dignity of the office of the president would be seriously damaged. The counsel offered by Mr. Clifford's advice was based on domestic political considerations, while the problem confronting us was international.

I stated bluntly that if the president were to follow Mr. Clifford's advice, and if I were to vote in the next election, I would vote against the president."

Put more simply, Marshall believed that Truman was sacrificing American security for American votes."

Plus ca change.....

 

ANON_ANON

9:16 PM ET

April 2, 2010

You had me until

But when an individual's own activities or statements give independent evidence of strong attachment to a particular foreign country

###

How does one define "independent evidence?" Who determines it? Sometimes judges recuse themselves, sometimes they don't. Sometimes boards of directors perceive conflicts of interest, other times they don't. Independent evidence seems mighty subjective to me.

 

SIR_MIXXALOT

9:52 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Problem is not Mr. Ross -- Problem is lack of balance.

J Thomas,
agreed, but the problem is when ALL the advisers are sitting on side of the see-saw. Dennis Ross is just one of the many many pro-zionists in the policy shop. I mean, we have Hillary Clinton as SecState for God's sake.

The problem is not that Dennis Ross has his job: the problem is that anyone like Chas Freeman could NOT get _his_ job and balance out the nutty right-wing militant zionist views.

Further, in a broader view, the system of checks and balances is also perverted: Congress (House and Senate) are chock-a-block with zionist apologists ALSO, to the extent that they denounced the Goldstone report. Otherwise they are very happy to rail on China's human rights violations -- what about Israel's?

Thus, 95% of DC-ites are zionist apologists, or don't care as long as AIPAC supports them in elections -- a few such as Ron Paul have spoken out. That 95% of the DC policy wonks and Congress and Admin. are beholden to <1% of the US population that are right wing extremists is disturbing.

Regarding the recent brouhaha w/ Israel: it is not such a dust-up at all -- American taxpayers are STILL sending >$4 billion there this year.

Why?

 

JOE M.

10:09 PM ET

April 2, 2010

Dennis Ross is not the only problem...

Let's not forget that Rahm Emanuel volunteered to fight for the IDF during the American attack of Iraq in 1991. Dennis Ross probably is more sympathetic to Israel than the USA, but Rahm has joined a foreign army. That's a "conflict of interest" if i have ever seen one!

 

ANON_ANON

12:33 AM ET

April 3, 2010

Rahmbo

Rahmbo volunteered under a special program in which civilians did "civilian-like" work - i.e., cleaning up kitchens, etc. Maybe it's a subtle distinction, maybe it's not, but it's worth mentioning, but he didn't volunteer to be a member of the IDF per se.

 

ANON_ANON

3:09 AM ET

April 3, 2010

Never heard

about dual passports - you sure that's true?

 

ARGONNE18

5:17 AM ET

April 3, 2010

Rahm Emanuel

Amen. I think Obama is culpable for knowingly granting him a security clearance which he could not have remotely been granted without a presidential over-ride. I am sure the FBI and CIA counter intelligence objected big time. I have read they have an extensive file on him...deservedly.

 

ANON_ANON

7:09 PM ET

April 3, 2010

You lost your credibility

with that comment. You seem to be speculating. Most Israelis may at one point have been born abroad, but I imagine they severed their citizenship with their prior country of origin. I don't know and quite frankly doubt that today most Israelis were born abroad - what percentage of the Israeli population is Sabra? Can you provodie sources? Again, this seems speculative, and if Rahmbo had two passports, I think it would have been all over the MSM by now, to say nothing of the blogosphere.

 

HMM

4:30 AM ET

April 5, 2010

baby rattle

Taxi, before you suggest others should get "nervous about the Truth," you should take extra care to know what you're talking about.

Your claim:
- "Cause Israelis are mainly immigrants from Europe and America (Brooklyn and New York mainly)."
- "Is is healthy for a country to have a majory that holds dual-citizenship?"
Facts:
- 1/2 of Israeli Jews trace their origins to the Muslim world.
- 2/3 of Israeli Jews were born in Israel.

Unlike you, I'm not afraid to cite sources: Statistical Abstract of Israel 2009 No. 60, http://www.cbs.gov.il/

 

PRIAPUS_D

3:50 AM ET

April 8, 2010

I believe the majority of the

I believe the majority of the Jews reside outside Israel, Jews are about 13,155,000 of that number only 5,634,000 reside in Israel, while the rest are spread all over the world, in US there are 5,275,000 Jews. For more information about the demographic of the Jews, please check wikipedia!

 

DWNML

12:31 AM ET

April 3, 2010

Voices

It is curious to me that teams that focus on Middle East policy in the US government are almost entirely composed of people who have a background, be it personal, experiential, or academic, that is focused on Israel. On the other hand, there are rare if any members of the team who have a background on countries other than Israel. Our Middle East policy, the entire region, equates to Israel. That is the focal point through which all decisions are made.

If Dr. Walt did defend the qualifications of Chas Freeman, for example, it was because Freeman would be the rare complicating voice on the team and add value to discussions and policy that fits.

I certainly think there should be voices centered on Israel on the team, but there also should be voices focused on countries in the Middle East other than Israel. That's honestly been lacking on many US gov't Middle Eastern teams.

 

DAN KERVICK

1:37 AM ET

April 3, 2010

No, the Issue Really Is Loyalty after All

I don't think the move to a focus on mere conflicts of interest adds clarity to this issue.

The interests one has are an objective matter. I might have an interest in the outcome of various obscure financial transactions, given that my economic well-being depends on the outcome of those transactions. And yet I might have no cognizance of those transactions whatsoever. I thus might have no emotional investment in one side of the transaction or another, much less any voluntary commitments. The fact that my interests are in conflict does not mean that my affections or commitments are in conflict.

What we are talking about in a case such as the case of Ross is not a mere conflict of objective interests, but a potential conflict of affections and voluntary commitments. Now, yes, people have all sorts of commitments to, and emotional engagements, with all sorts of things, and they frequently have to sort out and re-order their priorities when they find those attachments in conflict, as frequently happens. In most walks of life, this isn't much of an issue.

But we reasonably expect people in positions of high responsibility in any enterprise to have developed clarified, simplified and unclouded commitments where the interests of that particular enterprise are engaged. We generally wouldn't think it all all acceptable if the CEO of a company, for example, had voluntary financial commitments or investments in the company's competitors.

This expectation of clarified and rationalized commitments is especially justified when the enterprise in question is the executive branch of our national government, particularly those parts of the government concerned with national security, since the people who work in those parts of the government are charged with defending the very lives of the people and things we care most about.

Now, we want our government to benefit from a wide variety of perspectives and knowledge, so we should want our government to employ advisers and analysts of all kinds, including people with pronounced affections, and maybe even primary loyalties, to other countries. But we should look much more unfavorably on putting people with pronounced affections toward, and even personal commitments to, other countries in positions of high policy-making responsibility. Ross was originally just a "special adviser." But now he is a member of the NSC, serving as a "special assistant" to the president and a senior director with responsibility for the "Central Region."

We also need to raise the issue here not just of dual affections, but dual citizenship. I don't know if Ross possesses dual citizenship, but I would hope he doesn't. Some people do possess citizenship in more than one country. But citizenship goes beyond mere affection, and is ordinarily understood to carry a strict requirement of loyalty, a requirement that becomes more all-embracing and demanding the higher one rises into leadership role in the country in which one is a citizen. Again, in many walks of life dual citizenship is not likely to cause any momentous conflicts. But the more responsible one's position, particularly in a national government, the more likely one is to be called upon, like Colonel Nicholson in Bridge on the River Kwai, to blow up the bridges one has built.

Citizenship is not a mere concern or affiliation. It is a bond of fidelity. To be a citizen of more than one country is something akin to being married to more than one person. The stringent requirements and pledges involved in that bond are such that it is very difficult to satisfy more than one such set of requirements at the same time.

Of course one might develop sincere and deep affections for more than one country, just as we might have sincere and deep affections for more than one man or women, or for all of one's several children. Most of us are thankfully not put in a position where we have to make a "Sophie's Choice" between two of our own children. But given the turbulent and conflicted nature of international affairs and relations, these kinds of choices must be made all the time where the conflicting needs or priorities of countries are concerned. When a man or woman gets engaged, and then marries, they are expected to break off other close relationships with other men and women, and attach themselves with fidelity to one spouse. Shouldn't we expect the same thing of the people setting and executing policy in our national government?

People need to make choices. When they are serving at the the head of the national household, so to speak, they need to choose one spouse. And if they can't make a choice, they should be kept out of the kinds of affairs where their inability to make a choice might make a fatal difference.

 

SIN NOMBRE

3:46 AM ET

April 3, 2010

"Oaths of interest," how bloody impressive those would be....

Really superb dissection, Dan. There's a *reason* that we have two separate words for "loyalty" and "interests" and to equate the two robs the former of what everyone understands is its hugely different meaning.

No one is impressed by anyone pledging their mere "interest" in something for the simple reason that same is effectively meaningless. So mild as to mean anything, and so temporal it can be changed on a dime, and, accordingly, that's why we never see anyone ever asking anyone to merely pledge their "interest" to a cause or issue or etc.

When on the other hand someone says they are "loyal" to a cause everyone in the world understands this to mean much much more. It means they have made a *choice* of which interests they are going to serve, a choice they can be held to. Just as shown by the different reaction we have to one who is said to be merely "disinterested" in something or someone and another who is said to have actually been "disloyal" to same.

Walt's prescription to substitute a mere "interest" for "loyalty" would make a mockery of the standards of not only every position in which loyalty was formerly expected, but every oath of office that exists as well. Would, for instance, he really be happy having our Presidents take an oath not to "protect and defend" the Constitution but instead a mere oath to "have an interest in" the document?

The question answers itself. Walt's post here would be deeply silly if in fact it wasn't so deeply corrosive—and not merely politically to the U.S., but to human relations generally everywhere. A world with no loyalties.... I'm surprised that he's riffed this off as he has; trying overly hard to show he's a nice guy and no anti-semite I guess.

There is after all an easy solution for those who think pledging "loyalty" to something is going overboard and they prefer to simply pledge their "interest": Don't goddamn take the job that requires the loyalty.

And, P.S., I agree with you 100% likewise about no dual citizenship at least for governmental officials: An already existing example of the watering down of the meaning of loyalty, and Walt wants to water it down further now? If he's serious then why in the aftermath of his "Israel Lobby" book didn't he renounce his tenure agreement with Harvard and declaim that he wouldn't hold Harvard to it? It is, after all, essentially just a pledge of loyalty to him. But, he says here, he doesn't believe in such things, only that Harvard should merely be held to have had a mere "interest" in him.

Pfui. Walt himself doesn't really believe in what he wrote here, for good reason.

 

ARGONNE18

4:40 AM ET

April 3, 2010

Dual Loyalty

However you want to coutch it, the likes of the Indyks, Rosens, Perles, Libbys, Feiths Wolfawitzs, Ledeens, Abrams, should not be granted any kind of security clearance, or placed in any position that even remotely touches on middle east policy, defense policy trade policy or any policy that would give them yet another opportunity to sell out their country to Israel or get us into a disaterous war on Israels behalf. Perhaps the Bureau of Weights and Measurements.

 

COURTNEYME109

6:14 PM ET

April 3, 2010

Argonne Yawn

Great Satan always has an affinity for sister democrazies - like SoKo, Taiwan, Nippon, Georgia and of course -- Little Satan.

Nothing really magic about it -- tolerant, egalitarian societies with off the chart literacy rates, periodic, transparent elections, a free/uncensored press, a judiciary under elected Gov oversight, a military under civie control and a nat'l treasury open to public scrutiny is a very cool reflection of Great Satan and everything she stands for.

 

ARGONNE18

9:42 PM ET

April 3, 2010

Your moral bar is very low

Israel,s actions: Ethnic cleansing, refugee camps, invasions, land theft, water theft, racist laws, apartheid, checkpoints, walls, renegade nuclear program, beatings, bombings, bulldozings, bone breaking, massacres, war crimes, white phospherous, cluster bombs, more land theft, more water theft, murders, massive intervention in US politics, spying, bribing, character assasinations, career torpedoings, more land thefts, the Gaza/Warsaw Ghetto Redux, olive tree uprootings, crops plowed under, cheese factories bombed,(the first shipment of shoes into Gaza in 3 years was just allowed....Yeah Israel),violation of over 80 UN resolutions, more land theft, more settlers, more water theft, imprisonments without trial, no right of return, mosque bombings, school bombings, UN bombings, knowingly attacking a US naval vessel (34 dead, 178 wounded), jews only roads, jews only laws, jews only towns and settlements, jews only jobs..............
All this is done under, and enabled by, a zionist master race/aryan/chosen people doctrine. The Third Reich had a very high literacy rate as well. Bye the way, Hitler never came close to gaining any electoral majority. All the brutish and repugnant policies listed above, and more, have had a majority mandate in Israel since it's founding. Purity of arms indeed. Shining beacon of democracy......... SHEESH! Look in the mirror!

 

COURTNEYME109

2:12 PM ET

April 6, 2010

Oh the humanity

Sounds like Arab League, Argonne - sans the willie p ref - which deploying WP in a combat zone is NOT a war crime btw. No one said Little Satan is perfect - yet she is the most like us in the wild wack ME.

Just as Americans have strong affinities for SoKo, Taiwan and Nippon in diplopolititary events - so she does for Little Satan. 'Dual Loyalties' are a joke - after all Dr Wolfowitz himself championed democrazies like SoKo and Philippines when corrupt realists wanted to suck up to despots horrid or benign

 

BUDAHH

6:50 AM ET

April 3, 2010

So this means Odumbo can't be president anymore

The man attended jeremiah wright's church for 20 years and we know what goes on in there, antisematism anti americanis'm, anti anytihng which is not black and liberal, does this make Obama unobjective and only loyal to Indonesia, and Kenya, or black folks,you can find this with any person if you look for it pretty sneaky argument but meaningless, dennis ross was not a fair negotiator during camp daivd? In Israel he is precieved as pro palestinian.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

7:06 AM ET

April 3, 2010

Stuart Levey as well

Steve Walt, it is right of you to focus on Dennis Ross. But there are a lot of other big guns in the US government that needs to be purged as well. Lets use the Law to deal with them.

Look at the case of Stuart Levey , the undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, should be fired ASAP and legal proceedings started against him.

According to the Constitution of The United States of America, it is treason for a person in government to work for the interests of a foreign country, . This particular guy is very clever (but not m-o-r-e clever than we) and is making the case that it is a US interest as well to sanction Iran - by its own account Israels greatest strategic foe. But Israel and Iran has allways had connections with each other. The enmity was started in 1993 by Israel, because after the end of The Cold War , a new foe was needed in order to tie the US firmly to Israel.*

So just because this miniscule colony with an inhabitable surface area the size of Delaware and the adjacent Cecil County in Maryland gets a fancy idea back in the 1990'is, the worlds most powerful country and only superpower should follow these wimps? Is that it?

America say no to thid dangerous fifth column, who out of concern for a foreign country, is taken you down a road that is not yours, and not in your national interest to trot.

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*) Documentation

Trita Parsi: Treacherous Alliance, page 70 :

.....the alarmism over Iran reinforced the message that Washington needed Israel.The strategic significance Israel had enjoyed during the Cold War could be regained through the common threat of Iram and Islamic fundamentatlism - instead of being a freiendly bulwark agaisnt Soviet expansionism. Israel would now be a friendly bulwark against Iran's regional ambitions in a unipolar world.3,6"There was a feeling in Israel that because of the end of the Cold War,
relations with the U.S. were cooling and we needed some new glue for
the alliance… And the new glue… was radical Islam. And Iran was
radical Islam."

In this way he can be completely open about it. I have to admit it is rather clever.

 

BIGZEEZ

11:02 PM ET

April 4, 2010

Stuart Levey wikipedia page

Somebody should rewrite Stuart Levey page on Wikipedia. Somebody besides 'David in DC' that is. I posted the 'criticism' section below.

Criticism
According to The New York Times, the failure of the United States to carry out sanctions against many Iranian companies and individuals is cited by European diplomats as an example of America failing to do what it has promised. Valerie Lincy of Iran Watch has said, "The United States now lags many other countries in enforcing sanctions that the United Nations has already voted."[8] The Tehran Times wrote that the U.S. Treasury has increased pressure on foreign banks not to deal with sanctions against Iran, including performing "U-turn transactions," which allow U.S. banks to process payments involving Iran that begin and end with a non-Iranian foreign bank.[9]
In reply to Valerie Lincy's comments, Stuart Levey said that the United States has tougher sanctions on Iran than any other country. He said that because their list of organizations and individuals involved in financial crime is accurate, it is America's list that "is by and large used by financial institutions around the world."[1]"

 

TGGP

7:17 AM ET

April 3, 2010

You've got some nerve to

You've got some nerve to defame Joe McCarthy in a recent post, when it is just this insight that government positions demand heightened scrutiny that drove his campaign.

I've stuck up for Chas Freeman at my own blog because I think a more "realist" policy is in the U.S interest. I can think of some ways to distinguish him from Ross, though others may not find the distinction relevant enough. For one thing, his attachments to Saudi Arabia & China should be expected to be weaker since his divided loyalties would have to be further divided! They also weren't based on the concerns that help to define one's identity but contingent circumstances of his career, which we might also presume to be weaker. Furthermore, he was not supposed to be a specialist in Saudi Arabia or China (though one could argue that's where he'd have the most expertise). Ross worked under Secretary Clinton, Freeman was to work under Adm. Dennis Blair, which is an arguably lower ranking position (a lot fewer people have heard of the DNI than State Department). Finally, the fact that Freeman couldn't get appointed indicates he wouldn't be part of an existing group-think!

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

7:54 AM ET

April 3, 2010

Of course -- when one

Of course -- when one contemplates the dire straits that the US has gotten itself into in the last decade, following the attacks on 9/11 (which was overblown by Israel and its lobby, in order to finally align Israeli and US strategies and common interests) - the actions of these individuals is much more severe, than just on the face of it.

Since most people recognise that the wars following 9/11 has placed a big financial burden om The United States to an extent that its primacy among nations is threatened, these individuals with ties to a lobby that wanted these wars against what is Israels foes, hold chief responsibility for the downsclking of American power and pre-eminence.

Since that power is very important for ALL freedom-loving peoples , all freedom loving people must deeply deplore if it is being deminshed as a result of the work of this fifth column - and speaking for myself I can only say that this byproduct of their activities has not particularly enhanced by perception of them -- to put it mildly.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

7:57 AM ET

April 3, 2010

..and speaking for myself I

..and speaking for myself I can only say that this byproduct of their activities has not particularly enhanced my perception of them -- to put it mildly.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

8:09 AM ET

April 3, 2010

You say: The economic

You say: The economic problems of the last decade has at least as much to do with subprimeloans.

I say: There is a connection to 9/11 here as well, because Allan Greenspan kept interest rates artificially low following the attacks, in order to -- what seemed to be by all means -- "let the good times continue", and in this way encouraged lenders to scout for ever more people who they could throw a loan at.

And since the two biggest motivations for 9/11 -- US support for Israeli policies in the occupied terrirories and the continued stay of US forces on holy saudi soil after Saddam had been thrown out of Kuwait in 1991 -- both have links to the activities of the colony at the Meditarranean Sea with an inhabitable area the size of Delaware and the adjacent Cecil County in Maryland , it is obvious that the US should focus on reducing the political power of this colony, in order to better and enhance its own national interests.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

8:31 AM ET

April 3, 2010

You say: Cheney and Bush

You say: Cheney and Bush might have had their own reason to launching...

I say: But in a crisis, you don't want people emotionally tied to one side of the Middle East conflict, like Volfo-witch, Feith and Libby whispering things in your ears, do you? People like that is a constant nuisance -- and indeed security [US national security] risc -- to have near the centre of government.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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