My distinguished FP colleague Marc Lynch has taken issue with my "glass-mostly-empty" summary of Obama's foreign policy achievements to date, and you should definitely check it out. We agree that the Obama administration has little to brag about on either Afghanistan or Israel-Palestine, but Marc thinks I gave it insufficient credit on both Iraq and Iran. Here's a brief rejoinder.

On Iraq:
Marc is correct to point out that Obama has delivered on his campaign promise to get out of Iraq, and Obama is going to make a speech tonight designed to highlight that "achievement." The problem is that Iraq will continue to be a headache for the United States for some time to come, and things could easily spiral back into the sort of internecine violence that was occurring in 2006. The administration and the Pentagon are "accentuating the positive" these days, but as the New York Times pointed out just this morning, there are significant disagreements about the actual level of violence and little doubt that things are heating up as we draw down. A front-page story also highlighted how corruption, inefficiency, and political stalemates are crippling Iraq's electrical power system, even after the United States poured billions into trying to rebuild and repair it.

None of this is Obama's fault. But remember that the end of the "combat mission" doesn't mean an end to a significant U.S. presence there, and he'll face continued pressure to "do something" if the situation deteriorates. And if Iraq does go south, you can be sure that the GOP and unrepentant neo-cons will blame it on those feckless Democrats. They'll talk for hours about how the "surge worked" (which isn't true), and suggest that everything would have been hunky-dory if McCain and Palin were in charge.  

That's palpable nonsense, of course, but my main point still stands: Iraq won't be looking like a success story and Obama won't get any political credit for it. If anything, the right will attack him for letting Iraq spiral back into violence and the left will be disappointed that we still have training missions, air assets, and private contractors there. Bottom line: Iraq will be a hard issue to run on 2012, and Obama's main hope is that people won't be talking about it much.  I'll be he's got his fingers crossed on that one.

On Iran:
Marc is also correct to credit the Obama administration with winning greater international support for its approach to Iran, and with successfully isolating Tehran from some past backers (e.g., Russia). And I certainly agree with him that the main GOP alternative -- a U.S. or Israeli airstrike -- would be folly. The problem, however, is that the current approach isn't weakening the clerical regime, isn't halting its nuclear enrichment program, and certainly isn't preparing the way for some sort of détente or rapprochement. Indeed, isolating Iran and tightening the sanctions could easily strengthen the hands of those Iranians who are pushing to acquire a nuclear weapon, as opposed to those who reject this course or want to go near but not cross the nuclear weapons threshold.  

In political terms, therefore, Obama's Iran policy will have failed to produce any tangible benefits by 2012. Iran will have more centrifuges running, and more nuclear material stockpiled. Relations with Tehran will be no better, and maybe worse, than they were in 2009. War will still be an unattractive option -- and let's not forget that much of the international support for tighter sanctions reflects other states' desire to keep the military option off the table -- but that won't stop the GOP from accusing Obama of appeasement, pusillanimity, naiveté, lack of will, etc. Marc is right that their alternative is worse, but assuming we don't actually adopt it, they will be able to pretend that the Iran problem would have been solved by now if we'd just gone ahead and bombed.

As with a lot of my other analysis, I'd dearly love to be wrong about all of this. I would like to see the Afghan campaign succeed and it would be wonderful if Iraq settled down and prospered. I'd be thrilled if George Mitchell proved me wrong and actually delivered a viable two-state solution, and we could all rejoice if Iran and the international community reached a deal that kept Tehran from building nuclear weapons in perpetuity and opened the door to better relations. I like pleasant surprises as much as the next person, but I've learned not to expect them, especially when most of the signs point the other way.

Postscript:
The other reason to read Lynch's post is that it is a model of spirited but civil disagreement. Notice how he makes his points without resorting to character assassination, personal attacks, or unwarranted accusations. That's why it's such a pleasure sharing a website with him, and I only wish more bloggers followed his approach.

 

DEPETRIS@WORDPRESS.COM

4:23 PM ET

August 2, 2010

Additional points on Iraq and Iran

Just a couple of additional points that neither Drs Walt or Lynch make in their debate:

On Iraq: Although President Obama has stuck to his campaign pledge to draw down U.S. forces- and change the mission for the 50,000 troops that remain- he's doing so at a tricky time. The political and security environment in Iraq is not necessarily secure or peaceful. Five months later, Allawi, Maliki, the Shia religious block and the Kurdish parties continue to battle amongst themselves, with no end in sight. Ramadan is approaching, and the idea that all of Iraq's political factions will finally breakthrough the impasse before the holiday is wishful thinking. In the best case scenario, a new Iraqi Government will finally be established in September, which would still gives Al'Qaeda in Iraq a whole month to ramp up their violent campaign. And in the worst case scenario...well...the country goes back to the days of 2006.

Withdrawing soldiers is not, and should not be considered, a success...especially when the theater you are withdrawing from is still relatively chaotic.

On Iran: The U.N. Security Council may have passed a new sanctions resolution on Iran, but the United States garnered their support at the expense of Brazil and Turkey (two U.S. allies). Republicans can hammer Obama on alienating two of the most important rising powers- and two allies- for the teneous support of Russia and China.

And even this support is beginning to wane. Moscow made it perfectly clear that they are opposed to stronger economic sanctions from the E.U, and I'm sure that's getting the White House at least a little nervous.

I agree on pretty much everything else that was said. Israel-Palestine is a disaster, regardless of who is president. And the fight in Afghanistan is going to get a whole lot worse as the summer drags on, further eroding popular support in the U.S. and Europe.

http://www.depetris.wordpress.com

 

DAVID IN DC

4:39 PM ET

August 2, 2010

Postscript

Steve, anyone with an even passing familiarity with your blog knows that character assassination, personal attacks and unwarranted accusations are go-to tactics for you.

The examples are numerous, but I'll point to a particularly unwarranted attack on Deborah Solomon as an example, whom you tried to smear as "think[ing] terrorism used to be "romantic", at least when done on behalf of Zionism".

While it doesn't let you off the hook for your bad behavior (and hypocricy), at least you have a running spat with most of the recipients of your attacks. I've never seen Solomon write an ill word about you, and a quick Google search doesn't turn up anything. Misrepresenting her words the way you did in your character assassination was intellectually dishonest. The fact that you gratuitously attacked her at all was just plain mean-spirited.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

5:17 PM ET

August 2, 2010

I think Mrs. Solomon is Jewish

That means that she has a right to be smeared. It is written into the US constitution: Thou shall smear those Children of Israel who works at the [News]Papers, because what are they doing there in such numbers anyway? Do not take action about honest members of this community when they are in business, science or the arts, neither take action when they are in the Press, but be mean to any journalist that you come across.

 

MERODRIGUEZ

5:08 PM ET

August 2, 2010

From a state perspective

From a state perspective as opposed to a election perspective, I have a couple of comments and criticisms.

First, getting out of Iraq is great for the US, in my opinion. If you're going to instill value in reputation, our reputation is already throughly besmirched on the topic. If this is a value of strategic resources argument, then a stable Iraq as an ally in the region, a continual oil exporter and so forth, could be valuable. But, as with everything, it varies with cost. Is anything more than we must invest in Iraq from now on worth the return? Is it worth the opportunity cost of our inability to use our military credibly? No one will remark it, b/c no one seems to care about security as opposed to politics, but freeing up as much of our military commitment in both Iraq and Afghanistan as soon as possible allows us more value in the use of our military.

This is a linked point to Iran. The sanctions are good b/c they have become more harsh and universal. But sanctions, much like anything else, are not independent. The harshness of sanctions helps to make a point to Iran, but that point is only made with credible military posturing behind it. Let's not be coy or play games, sanctions are a warning shot across the bow. If we were in some hypothetical universe where Iran had created a reputation for ignoring such threats, what would be the next step? Depending how far Iran gets, it might possibly end up being military action. No one wants that b/c it isn't strategically viable. But the threatening power of the military is one of its greatest uses. Freeing up our current responsibilities makes that more of an option.

Just a thought. Also, in support of your last paragraph (not the postscript), I end with a Machiavelli quote: "But it being my intention to write a thing which shall be useful to him [who] apprehends it, it appears to me more appropriate to follow up the real truth of a matter than the imagination of it; for many have pictured republics and principalities which in fact have never been known or seen, because how one lives is so far distant from how one ought to live, that he who neglects what is done for what ought to be done, sooner effects his ruin than his preservation; for a man who wishes to act entirely up to his professions of virtue soon meets with what destroys him among so much that is evil."

 

BIBIJON

7:49 PM ET

August 2, 2010

Isolating Iran, at what cost?

I would be grateful if Drs Walt and Lynch would explain in what way pushing Iran into a subservient relationship with Russia and China can be regarded as good for the US.

Iran's prior gold standard was 'neither east nor west'. But, surely now, Iran has to work overtime to appease Russia and China, and anyone else (India) seeking leverage over US and that surely means working overtime against the US to keep her import/export lines open.

Isn't the score not 0 to 6, having delivred a resource-rich and regionally influential country to Rusiia and China complete with resolutions and sanctions that allow those countries to manipulate Iran anyway they feel advantageous?

 

MRPOLITISHQ

8:58 PM ET

August 2, 2010

Correction..

>>>A front-page story also highlighted how corruption, inefficiency, and political stalemates are crippling Iran's electrical power system, even after the United States poured billions into trying to rebuild and repair it.<<<

Wouldn't that be "Iraq's electrical power system"?

 

STEPHEN M. WALT

1:09 AM ET

August 3, 2010

Yep.

Thanks for catching the typo.  We've fixed it.

 

RICHARD WITTYQ

9:29 PM ET

August 2, 2010

What do you propose?

Iran has posed its willingness to negotiate with the US in either/or terms, and they include prominently the complete renunciation of any relationship with Israel.

I can see the US relationship with Israel changing slightly, but not night and day, and shouldn't.

I'm not sure how there are other options than the approach that Obama is taking.

 

HINDUTVA

4:57 AM ET

August 3, 2010

American Taxpayer funding each Illegal Jew Settler = $30 million

America has wasted 15 trillion dollars in the "defense" of Israel directly or indirectly and most of the money is wasted because of 500,000 intransigent Jews occupying Palestine as illegal settlers.

American Taxpayer funding each Illegal Jew Settler at the rate of

= $15,000,000,000,000 / 500,000
= $30,000,000 per Illegal Jew Settler

Is this a right investment of American tax payer's money?

Or one can say that Americans are verrrry smart as this perpetuates war against the Muslims forever and thus keeps the American Military-Industrial Complex humming and gobbling up American tax dollars forever.

 

MERODRIGUEZ

1:55 PM ET

August 3, 2010

The MIC is here to stay

Whether you like it or not, the MIC is unlikely to be going anywhere. Both the military itself and its satellite industries have self-selection bias towards fighting so they can continue to prove that their existence in their current structure and size is justified. So that added with active hegemonic status and the US is going to get involved in international conflicts such as Israel-Palestine, especially with the AIPAC giving nudges here and there.

I agree that it's a bad investment b/c it isn't worth anything other than historical value. Israel is a historical landmark of WW2 that we helped to build to illustrate our resolve for Jews that we didn't actually have during the war. And perhaps that means, for us, helping to create it made sense. But it no longer holds the value it once did-it's costly and erratic.

The thing I disagree with is that there's value in funding conflict in the Middle East by supporting Israel. As I said, the MIC is more or less in place. That means there's going to be the use of force no matter where we are and who we're facing. So we might as well use that force that we're predetermined to be attracted to in places where it'll actually get a return. The war games in South Korea are actually a great example.

 

JACOB BLUES

4:17 PM ET

August 3, 2010

Why stop at $15 Trillion, Qila?!?

Only $15 Trillion?
.
Essentially you're saying that Israeli settlers have obtained every penny of the US GDP from the past year and then some.
.
The idea of whether this is a good investment or not is a moot point (as the old Saturday Night Live skit went). When you play with make-believe numbers, your argument is equally a fantasy.

 

HINDUTVA

8:12 PM ET

August 3, 2010

Jake, how do you knew it was me

Your humble servant,

Aurangzeb Khan

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

10:58 AM ET

August 3, 2010

I think all those sanctions are dead wrong and unjust

The Israel Lobby has deliberately -- and very cunning -- created a ruse for you:
You go in and support sanctions - in exchange there won't be any military attacks.

It is time to completely off Israel, so that they cannot hold the worlds greatest country at ransom in this despicable way. Think of it: A country the size ofDelaware and the adjacent Cecil county in Maryland [O- you thought it was just the size of Delaware? No it is BIG! You have to include Cecil County in Maryland to understand the true size of inhabitable land in this the worlds last colony.

At the same time I shall protest about any attempt to coerce Russia and China into the despicable sanctions-policy.

A smile appeared on my face the other day, as I learned that Turkey has agreed to supply Iran with Petrol and other refined products. Thank God for Turkey - for injecting some reason into this whole despicable sanction-affair - dreamed up by the undersecretary of Terrorism and Finance (!), prominent member of the Israel lobby, Stuart Levey.

As you see, sanctions won't -- and can't -- work, but instead lead to a lot of hardship and misery for ordinary people, while not advancing the "West's" cause in anyway. On the contrary; those people affected are not likely to forget who caused their hardships.

DESPICABLE SANCTIONS!!

W-A-K-E---U-P---A-M-E-R-I-C-A---!!!!!!

Time to remove all those with ties to the lobby from their posts. They are damaging America and its longterm national interests!!

 

JAYDEE001

4:47 PM ET

August 3, 2010

Hard to agree on much of this

On Iraq - the war we never, ever should have started - it is hard to accept any responsibility for whatever happens to that place after our troops are out. Aside from the well-documented fact that we will have tens of thousands of "private contractors" and State Department operatives still in Iraq, evidently for an indeterminate amount of time after our military force is finally withdrawn, the reality is that we have little at stake there except our reputation, which we never should have risk there anyway. This is the war than such dim-bulbs as Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld said could be fought on the cheap - Iraqi oil would pay for the whole affair they claimed - and which has been so costly in terms of our economy that we have a difficult time even getting an honest accounting of the costs from our leaders.

If Iraq degenerates into civil war, I plan not to have any guilt about it. The best we can say is that we got rid of a dictator who was more of a problem for the majority of his own people than he was for us. On the other hand, we are leaving behind a "democratically elected" government, a de-Bathified army and police force that, if it cares to, can maintain order. If the Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish factions cannot get along, I hardly understand why that is our problem. Obama can have the blame for whatever happens, because he could have called this what it was - a gigantic mistake - and gotten out earlier.

On Iran - I bet that the new 'stronger' sanctions will not work any better than the old ones- they may actually help the incumbent government. If Russia and China chose to trade with Iran, what do the Iranian leaders care about our santions? Too much has been made of the relatively small and ineffectual opposition to the Iranian government - notice how quickly it has faded from the headlines. The hope that there might arise some popular movement to overthrow the rule of the Mullahs was a foolish one.

I predict that Iran will eventually assemble all the means to create nuclear weapons. Whether they do so or not will be up to the governing parties - whose sole interest is in retaining power. That may be the one reason Iran will not have nuclear weapons. The reason they might is - we invaded Iraq which clearly did not have nuclear weapons; we invaded Grenada and Columbia - no nukes; we invaded Afghanistan - ditto: on the other hand we have not invaded either N. Korea or Pakistan - and they do have nukes. So, the incentive is there to have them, in a way. It is to be fervently hoped that Obama understands a war with Iran, on whatever pretext we might concoct, would produce horrible results for civilization, and clearly establish the US as an international thug of the first order.

On Afghanistan - this is the tar baby that we should have approached carefully and Obama's decision to double down will be viewed as the biggest mistake of his presidency (OK, maybe after chosing Wall-Street insider Timothy Geithner as his Treasury Secretary). Afghanistan will continue to drain our military and our treasury, and if we stay another ten years it will still look like a bad deal. We have accomplished little there for nine years of effort, and only the inability to admit our failure keeps us there. The rest of the 'coalition' will be leaving us soon, so this will end up as Vietnam did - soley a US action.

The hope that we will leave behind anything of lasting significance in Afghanistan is illusory. As in Iraq, our efforts to establish a democracy that respects individual rights is an abject failure. We have not created a government capable of projecting competence or even influence beyond the city limits of Kabul; we have not been able to stop the cultivation of poppies there; we have not been able, after nine years, to stand up an ANA or a police force that is competent to maintain order on its own, and not rife with corruption; absent bribery, we have little influence with the local tribal chiefs who really control various areas of the countryside; we have not been able to establish any effective negotiating posture with theso-called "moderate" elements of the Taliban; and we have not been able to stop Pakistan from covertly helping the very forces we seek to defeat there. We have not been able to do so despite nine years there.

Most importantly, we failed at the outset to kill or capture Osama bin Laden or Mullah Omar - at best we managed to kill some of their lieutenants with drones. The remaining elements of al Qaeda are ensconced safely in Pakistan's tribal areas where we dare not go after them, and al Qaeda has been actively speading its tentacles throughout the world, setting up satellite organizations here and there, capable of operating independently of their leadership, while we dithered and diddled in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last decade. The overall picture is one of futility.

It really does not matter whose batting average is affected - whether the mistakes are attributed to Bush or Obama. What matters is how large the cost of our mistakes will be for our country and directly for the families and the military personnel who are paying the price for those mistakes.

 

IAN

6:23 PM ET

August 3, 2010

Amen to that postscript

Best part of the whole discussion, heh.

These kinds of discussions are exactly why I like this site.

I also agree with Walk on most of these. A lot of people aren't seeing what he's saying. Whether or not Obama started these wars or worked with the UN way better than Bush ever did, the fact remains that his gains compared to what he promised are minimal, and that is what the right will use against him. Regardless of whether it was 100 times better than Bush, it still wasn't up to what people were expecting of him.

And nothing hurts worse than quashed hopes. Everyone who's ever gone to a movie that they REALLY wanted to see and were even mildly dissapointed understands that. And again, that is what the GOP will harp on.

 

CHARYBDIS

9:06 AM ET

August 4, 2010

Professor Walt´s blog

Reading Professor Walt´s blog is a sheer pleasure -- not only because of the well-informed and important content but also because of the way it is written. The discussion on the article by Marc Lynch is just one example.

Thank you, Professor, your blog has become an absolute "must" for me.

 

BLUE13326

3:18 PM ET

August 4, 2010

Few things more boring than

Few things more boring than two leftists in a spat.

 

CRISPIAN

8:48 PM ET

August 10, 2010

Stephen M. Walt

"The other reason to read Lynch's post is that it is a model of spirited but civil disagreement. Notice how he makes his points without resorting to character assassination, personal attacks, or unwarranted accusations. That's why it's such a pleasure sharing a website with him, and I only wish more bloggers followed his approach."

I absolutely agree with this. And I hope my criticism of your initial piece didn't cut too deeply. When I used the words "hackneyed piece of writing", "cynical," and "premature prognosticator," I certainly didn't mean them as personal attacks (page 3 of comments). When I observed you resemble Bruce Campbell, I did intend it as a compliment. I included substantive rebuttals to all of your points in support of those critical statements.

On Iraq, it is still not clear what metric you are using to call the surge a failure or to feel so pessimistic about Iraq's future. Of course unbridled optimism is no substitute for realistic analysis either, but there is reason to hope and work for the best outcome.

On Iran, your criticism now appears to be that the problem won't be solved in time for the 2012 election. But I don't see any solution other than military that could quickly (and perhaps only temporarily) stop the nuclear program in such a short time frame. You concede significant advances that have been achieved. As a conservative, I am skeptical of Obama's approach too, but Iran is not as easy a problem as you seem to believe.

 

GERONIMO

9:53 PM ET

August 11, 2010

The plague of self-approval

"The original Crusades to the Middle East didn't work out that well..." writes KUNINO.by way of commenting on US adventurism in Islamistan. Well, it's true that the crusades' avowed intent, namely to defend Christendom against Islam, bu instead it ended up promoting its schism and inability to hold off the Turks.

Sorta likewise , the House of Bush sallied forth to battle Islam in defense of
democracy and , in a decade of thus crusading, managed not only to split , ahem,Christendom but also to shake Israel as if God had smitten it. We may, nonetheless, console ourselves via the fact that the original Frankish and Norman crusaders did pretty well for over a hundred years. This may suggest that if we keep at it the oil will have run out and finally there'll be no reason for hanging around there any longer. Especially as we will have been broke all the while.But until that happy day, we may remain convinced that
the Bushes did something legitimate enough to merit abidance.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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