Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 11:49 AM

Today, some short takes, mostly catching up on some recent events and commentary:
1. Bloomberg nails it.
If you haven't done so already, you really owe it to yourself to read or watch N.Y. Mayor Michael Bloomberg's compelling response to those who objected to the construction of a Muslim center in lower Manhattan. The contrast between Bloomberg's eloquent and reasoned defense of religious freedom and the hypocritical bombast of the Gingriches, Giulianis, and Foxmans tells you all you need to know about who gets what America stands for and who doesn't.
2. Judge Walker does, too.
It's not a foreign policy issue (although I think it will help America's image in many parts of the world), but I was delighted when a federal judge issued a strongly-worded ruling declaring that California's Proposition 8 (which barred gay marriage) unconstitutional. Like Bloomberg's speech, it was one of those moments that made me proud to be American.
3. But not proud to be a Celtics fan.
I was raised in northern California, but I've been partial to the Celtics ever since elementary school because I was a huge Bill Russell fan. (My goal at the time was to be a dominant shot-blocking and rebounding center like Russell, but it turns out this is hard to do when you are only 6' 2" and have limited leaping ability.) But my Celtics loyalty is gonna be tested now that they've signed Shaquille O'Neal. Nothing personal, but his three-steps-turn-and-dunk approach to basketball is about as fun and exciting as going through the TSA checkpoints at Logan Airport.
4. Meanwhile, back in Iran...
As some of the same geniuses that got us into Iraq start spinning up the case for bombing Iran, you might want to take a look at this careful assessment from Oxford of what a military campaign might entail and produce. Nobody knows for sure how an attack on Iran might go or what the broader repercussions might be, but I sure hope people in the White House are taking note of this study. If David Ignatius is right, maybe someone is.
5. And for the truly obsessive defense policy wonk on your holiday list...
I recommend Gordon Adams and Cindy Williams's new book Buying National Security: How American Plans and Pays for its Global Role and Safety and Home. This book isn't exactly a Stieg Larsson style page-turner (The Girl with the Budget Authority, anyone?) but if you want to understand how U.S. national security policy gets funded and implemented, it's a great place to start. Adams and Williams have lots of experience inside the belly of the beast, and they've written a clear and non-partisan account of the bureaucratic and budgetary machinery that drives our national security state. Among other things, they unveil the vast array of agencies, bureaus, funds, organizations, programs, initiatives, etc. that make up the national security establishment (and that's not even counting all the activities we barely know about... ). If Eisenhower came back today, I'll bet he'd feel like a prophet.
Helping America's image in the Middle East
"although I think it will help America's image in many parts of the world)..."
Yes! As Prof Walt has eloquently stated before, public diplomacy is a crucial element to the war against Al-Qaeda.
And without question, Judge Walker's ruling that Prop 8 is unconstitutional will go a long way to restoring the world's image of the US that has been badly damaged by the neocons' and George Bush's idiotic war in Iraq and the bungling of things in Afghanistan. Those wars have never been about the promotion of democracy and human rights in a country that possessed neither. But now instead we have a district court ruling that shows the world that the US really does stand for human rights for all. We didn't before when Bush was President but we sure as heck do now!
Thank God for this forward thinking, "realist" thinking federal judge and his foreign policy interpreter, Stephen Walt. Here is a list of countries that I would include in Prof Walt's "many parts of the world" where our image will be instantly helped:
1. Iraq 2. Afghanistan 3. Iran 4. Pakistan 5. Saudi Arabia 6. Egypt 7. Syria 8. Yemen
Marking Victories: Santa Sophia and the WTC
I visited the magnificent Santa Sophia in Istanbul last year. This building was originally constructed as the Cathedral of Constantinople by Byzantine Emperor Justinian and was the third Church of the Holy Wisdom to occupy the site. When completed in 537 AD, it was considered the most important symbol of the Orthodox faith and one of the history’s greatest architectural achievements.
When the Ottomans captured Constantinople in 1453, it was immediately converted into the main Islamic mosque of the renamed city of Istanbul. The Christian elements were removed, the mosaics were plastered over, and four minarets and other Islamic symbols were added. Similar transformations took place wherever Muslim armies spread the faith. Mosques were established to mark their victories.
Santa Sophia is now a museum, having been converted to secular use by Kemel Ataturk after the Ottoman Empire fell. He wanted to limit the role of Islam in republican Turkey. It must be remembered that great buildings are great symbols.
If a massive new mosque is built at Ground Zero in NYC, jihadists will know what it means. It will mark the victory of the 9/11 “martyrs” who destroyed a major symbol of American civilization when they crashed the World Trade Center.
The liberal rhetoric of Mayor Bloomberg and Stephen Walt do not manifest strength, but weakness. It is easily exploited by those who like the radical Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his foreign backers understand the symbolism of power and history.
...that's why I said "many" parts of the world, rather than "all." But surely you're not suggesting that the United States should adopt the same level of tolerance as the countries you listed?
Equally important, if you look at Marc Lynch's post elsewhere on the FP site, it appears that items like Prop. 8 aren't very high on the list of Arab or Muslim concerns about the United States.
very unlike the Christians who once upon a time slaughtered the pagans, burned down their temples and built churches in their stead.
"But surely you're not suggesting that the United States should adopt the same level of tolerance as the countries you listed?"
I don't believe I was suggesting that. Instead, I was suggesting that America's image will not be improved in the areas of the world where our image is most in need of improvement, as suggested by yourself in numerous postings.
Sure, the people of Norway, Canada, France and a few other countries are probably applauding this development. But let me add a few other countries to my list and suggest that in terms of "strategic importance" (let alone whether the people in these countries truly care as you and Marc Lynch point out) the opposite of your assertion is the correct one: our image in many parts of the world will not be helped by this decision, to the extent they care at all.
9. India 10. Russia 11. China 12. Japan
Yes these are a lot of muslims but lets look at percent.
India has 220 million out of a billion in their population.
Russia has 50 million out of 148 million
China has 20 million out of another 1 and a half Billion.
They are already in non-Muslim majority countries so yes, they are moderate. They dont really have a choice now do they. I am not saying they aren't moderates but can't they be products of their environment?
The US's problem with muslims is mostly in the Middle East and Africa and the extremists in Europe. Luckily, the moderates else where stay moderate and appreciate the things the US does and doesnt view it as propaganda or Hasbara.
"Secondly, when it comes to principles, a country should not worry what its image will be, if it decides to stand for a just principle. It should not become a high school teen drama."
I cannot believe you just said that. Your hypocrisy is unbelievable yet hardly surprising.
what about a Persian Gulf naval war
I read the section in that Oxford piece on the possible Iranian response to an Israeli attack against that nation. I have a question for a policy/military wonk. I understand that the Iranians are armed with a class of Russian designed antiship cruise missiles that have so far never been used in war. They are based on what are called the sunburn-22 (with mach 1.8 speed) and yakhoonst (with mach 2.4).
It is my understanding that these missiles are too fast to be stopped by any antimissile defenses on US warships. My question is why in devising possible Iranian responses the possibility that Iran might respond by attacking US warships? If these cruise missiles are as ferocious as they seem, wouldn't that be a rational Iranian response?
I have a second question about that Oxford analysis. Why would Azerbaijan ever allow itself to be used as an Israeli base against Iran.? It is a very small country completely surrounded by countries that could cause them considerable harm.
That Azerbaijan thing is weird
Azerbaijan has three concerns:
1. Its rival, Armenia
2. Domination by Iran, a more powerful neighbor
3. Domination by Russia, a much more powerful neighbor
I agree, it is difficult to see how Israel would fit into the situation as an Azerbaijan ally. Maybe as protection from Iran, and for support over Armenia, but that doesnt seem particularly likely.
Judge Walker got it completely wrong: Until there are laws and practices in place which protect the religious freedom of those individuals and religious groups which do not accept homosexual marriages, then Prop. 8 is necessary to protect their rights.
Likewise, until there are laws and practices in place which protect the rights of parents to raise their own children in a system of faith and morals of their own choosing, free from interference by the state through the public schools, then Prop. 8 is necessary to protect their rights.
The way "gay marriage" has been approached so far in California (and elsewhere) violates the constitutional seperation of Church and State, religious liberiy, as well as parental rights. For all of California's talk about acceptance and ending bigotry, its so easy to see that this is really just a manifestation of liberal bigotry against religious communities, especially Roman Catholics.
Until there are laws which adequately protect religious freedoms rather than strip them away, anyone who opposed Prop. 8 doesn't deserve to feel "proud to be an American."
Judge Walker got it completely wrong: Until there are laws and practices in place which protect the religious freedom of those individuals and religious groups which do not accept homosexual marriages, then Prop. 8 is necessary to protect their rights.
Likewise, until there are laws and practices in place which protect the rights of parents to raise their own children in a system of faith and morals of their own choosing, free from interference by the state through the public schools, then Prop. 8 is necessary to protect their rights.
The way "gay marriage" has been approached so far in California (and elsewhere) violates the constitutional seperation of Church and State, religious liberiy, as well as parental rights. For all of California's talk about acceptance and ending bigotry, its so easy to see that this is really just a manifestation of liberal bigotry against religious communities, especially Roman Catholics.
Until there are laws which adequately protect religious freedoms rather than strip them away, anyone who opposed Prop. 8 doesn't deserve to feel "proud to be an American."
Is "AndrewB" Andrew Breitbart?
What the hell are you talking about? How does a same-sex couple getting married infringe in any way on the religious freedom of anyone else? They can still get married, divorced, or whatever, and are quite able to continue to be anti-gay bigots if they want. There is nothing about same-sex marriage that affects non-homosexuals in a negative way, unless they are so bigoted that its very existence causes them pain. Fair enough, since their very existence causes me and those like me pain.
Likewise, bigoted parents are allowed to raise their children in their intolerance, whether their bigotry is anti-woman, racist, or homophobic, but at least now the legal system is not reinforcing their bigotry.
Finally, overturning Prop 8 is supporting separation of church and state, not undermining it. The pro-Prop 8 groups were overwhelmingly "religious" groups trying to shove their bigotry down the throats of everyone else, and overturning prop 8 is a clear refudiation (kudos to SP) of that unwarranted infringement of religious groups in public policy.
There is nothing in California law that prevents the Catholic church or any other church from refusing to perform marriages for same-sex couples, or from preaching that homosexuality is a sin if they want to. Overturning Prop 8 allows those religious denominations that choose to perform same-sex weddings as well as requires civil authorities to perform those marriages.
Yes, Andrew, what are you talking about ?
Religious freedom is not a blank check to spread anti-homosexual bigotry and narrow-minded thinking. Not one of your paragraphs is reasonable.
A far more pointed and eloquent argument to your comments has already been made, so I will gladly stay off the podium but applaud and lend a metaphoric "Aye" from close distance.
Call it a civil union and be done with it. Marriage is not a legal term but a religious one whether people choose to accept that or not.
Typical liberal, opening with some expletives and a gross overuse of the term "bigot," which I think you must have confused with the phrase "person I disagree with."
But I'll do my best to answer your points with civility nonetheless...
First, I genuinely feel that for anyone who agrees with me to take anyone who agrees with you seriously, you need to get over the bad habit of assuming that anyone who opposes homosexual marriage is a bigot. Quite frankly, that isn't very smart, and setting up a straw-man like that is not a smart way to start an argument. I doubt you'll ever believe me when I say this, but I'm not a bigot. Stop calling people names to avoid real discourse on the subject. I work with children, and thats what they do. Hopefully, politics can be the realm of intelligent adults.
Now, getting down to it...
The way gay marriage was being undertaken in California, in practice, was dangerously close to infringing on religious liberty and violating the constitutional separation of Church and State. At the very least, it did not sufficiently protect religious rights.
You are wrong in assuming there are laws in place which protect the right of religious groups to continue practicing their faith. Sure, theoretically, the constitution should protect them, but that’s not what lawmakers in California seem to care about. There have already been efforts in California (especially on the local level, i.e. San Francisco) to have the Catholic Church declared a hate group, and the lack of religious protection in certain laws pertaining to homosexual marriages could force Catholic hospitals or Adoption centers to shut down (which happens to be important, considering the Church is the largest healthcare provider in the country).
Furthermore, it isn’t too farfetched at all to think that a priest could be sued for refusing to perform a gay marriage. And I don’t think its unrealistic to expect the priest to lose that lawsuit in California or the 9th Circuit. I also wouldn’t be surprised if schools didn’t let parents take their children out of school instruction which promotes gay marriage (like how parents can opt to have their kids taken out of sex ed).
For these reasons and others, I think Prop 8 was necessary until laws are passed which sufficiently protect the rights of religious communities.
I think AR got it right… the government needs to get out of marriage entirely. Civil unions recognized by the state for everyone, and leave it up to religious organizations to decide what they will treat as marriage for their purposes. Its really the only way to solve this.
Evidently Adams and WIlliams' book isn't getting much traction inside Washington. Former Defense Secretary William Perry and former National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley just came out with a new report arguing more even more funding and resources into our national security establishment. The U.S. Military needs more advanced missiles that can go at higher speeds and longer distances, and they need more of a naval presence in the Pacific to counter the Chinese. You know...because having the world's largest military fifteen times over is simply not enough.
Maybe both Adams and Williams should consider a brand new stint of government service
http://www.depetris.wordpress.com
http://www.atlanticsentinel.com
Obviously didn't proof read the first post
Evidently Adams and WIlliams' account isn't getting much traction inside Washington. Former Defense Secretary William Perry and former National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley just came out with a new report arguing for even more funding into the national security establishment. The U.S. Military needs more advanced missiles that can go at higher speeds and longer distances, and they need more of a naval presence in the Pacific to counter the Chinese. You know...because having the world's largest military fifteen times over is simply not enough.
Maybe both Adams and Williams should consider a brand new stint of government service.
http://www.depetris.wordpress.com
http://www.atlanticsentinel.com
Most countries do not allow gay marriage. What evidence do you have that this would help America's reputation more than hurt it? Just say you approve of the decision and leave it at that, don't try to tie foreign policy into it.
- in an otherwise quite sensible speech. But politics could be at play here; he want to appeal to the opponents of thge mosque, and may have judged that this is not done by challenging their view of why 9/11 happened, whch is, as he said:
It was exactly that spirit of openness and acceptance that was attacked on 9/11, 2001.
“On that day, 3,000 people were killed because some murderous fanatics didn't want us to enjoy the freedoms to profess our own faiths, to speak our own minds, to follow our own dreams, and to live our own lives . Of all our precious freedoms, the most important may be the freedom to worship as we wish.
But nevertheless it is written no where that he hadto include 9/11 in it - and IT MAY WELL BE, yhat he himself agree with those words.
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9/11 explained
[First internationally inspired, political motivated terror-attack on US soil - first time US got attacked on its own soil - this made them over-react -- but pushed by cunningly acting individuals with ties to the Israel lobby. 3000 got killed -- 40.000 Americans are killed on the roads each year]
9/11 was a political protest intented to give Americans a wake-up call, abput how loppsided its Middle East Policy had been for three decades. The two biggest mortivating factors both have relations to Israel - - US support for Israeli policies in the occupied areas, and US troops continued stay on holy Saudi soil following the first Gulf War, where King Fahf had been promised that they would be withdrawn immediately after Sadaam's troops had been thrown out of Kuwait, which happened in early 1991.They were withdrawn in 2004. The man responsible for their continued stay was the Australian born super-zionist and -lobbyist, Martin Indyk, US citizen from 1993 and later US ambassador to Israel.
Did the Americans get the message? Many certainly haven't grasped it yet.
Shaq is so big that it's easy to miss his lateral quickness and his quickness at getting to a rebound. That stuff is difficult to see on TV but if he still has any quickness left, it may worth a look. Just because someone is big doesn't mean that they can perform.
The Celtic are an interesting story anyway. I like it when old guys can do it. After mid season, they were pooped, but they got it together. How did they do that? It's almost as much fun as watching youth development on other teams.
Bob Spencer
Mayor Bloomberg And Judge Walker
From PajamasMedia's "Works And Days" Weblog
August 7, 2010
A Rather Angry America
By Victor Davis Hanson
Unemployment is still high, growth low, deficits huge. States are cutting out everything from streetlights to paving. Public pensions are exploding everywhere.
A class war looms between retirees who want their sweet-heart obligations honored, and strapped, poorer taxpayers who feel about those bloated payouts as they do their underwater mortgages.
What Did You Expect?
In a progressive culture, where ads blare hourly about skipping out on credit card debt, shorting the IRS, and walking away from mortgages, did the public employee unions really think they were exempt from a Chrysler-like renegotiation?
In the age of Obama, there is no real contractual obligation: everything from paying back bondholders to fixing a BP penalty is, well, “negotiable.” When the money runs out, the law will too. Law? There is no law other than a mandated equality of result.
The Talkative Crowd
On the Internet recently appeared the pictures of the JournoList bunch, who at least between themselves gave up their usual pretense that the media was unbiased. With all due respect (confession: I was briefly mentioned by the list as someone that the racist card might work on in connection with the illegal immigration debate), they appear to the eye as a sort of nerdish group.
They remind me of what we used to call the “wimp table” at a pretty tough Selma High around 1970. It was there that the high school’s handful of geeks, toadies, and picked-upon used to eat, under the protective eye of yard-duty teachers. The assumption was that with a few steps further onto the grounds, the entire sorry bunch was fair game for every bully on campus. And that sad outfit filters, disseminates, and arbitrates our news? Most from their writing and appearance seemed either neurotic overachievers or twenty-something bloggers who confuse calling someone something with erudition.
Up Is Down
No wonder aristocratic golf became needed presidential relaxation, the old first lady hysteria over things like Nancy’s china cooled when Michelle hit the Costa del Sol, and Guantanamo became A-OK. The news now for these guys is sort of like writing boilerplate race/class/gender oppression papers for a Yale undergrad gut class.
Populism Is Now Bad?
In contrast, the proverbial people seem angry. A book will have to be written explaining how in 19 months Obama blew a 70% approval rating and is headed for under 40% — something that took Bush six years. A handful of judges nullified what millions voted for in Arizona and California, apparently on the premise that wanting federal immigration law enforced, and seeing marriage as a traditional bond between a man and woman as it has been for 2,500 years in the West, was bigoted, analogous to the racism of the Jim Crow South, and thus in need of judicial intervention.
A guy in Bakersfield might think it prejudicial that a gay judge struck down an amendment to the Constitution passed by a majority of voters and opposed by the gay lobby; a guy in DC would think the guy in Bakersfield prejudicial for coming up with that preposterous conclusion.
Meanwhile, in our postracial age, race is everywhere: Charles Rangel, who won’t follow the tax laws he writes, whines about an “old-English, Anglo-Saxon procedure.” Maxine Waters (under the cloud of insider bank influence peddling) and the Black Caucus (recipient of federalized GM donations) cite racism as the source of their ethical dilemmas (at least Larry Craig did not cite gay-bashing and Duke Cunningham reverse discrimination and Chris Dodd ageism and the late John Murtha girthism).
A mass murderer at a beer distribution center (so much for Van Jones’s assurances that such mayhem was a white thing) is portrayed on the airwaves as an aggrieved victim of racism lashing out. Not a word about the shattered lives of those gunned down and their families. Welcome to the post-racial Obama age — with much more to follow. (Nemesis gives no quarter: once Barack Obama years ago went down the patronize-and-use-Rev.-Wright path, the payback was only a matter of when, not if.)
History Is Negotiable
We sent our first delegation to the services marking the bombing of Hiroshima. Fine, but will we do the same with the Philippines, Manchuria, South Korea, and all the other places where the Imperial Japanese Army by early 1945 was killing on average well over 5,000 a day in its occupied co-prosperity sphere? To understand why Hiroshima, understand 50,000 American casualties, 100,000 Japanese dead, and 100,000 Okinawan dead at the conclusion of Okinawa ten weeks earlier, and then multiply it by a factor of 10 for the upcoming Japanese homeland invasion.
The Rising
At home, a huge mosque near Ground Zero in Manhattan will rise up before the new World Trade Center (maybe Bruce Springsteen can do a sequel to “The Rising”?). To suggest this is bad taste is bigoted. To suggest that we don’t know the where, how, and why about the funding, or why a self-proclaimed ecumenical group of Muslims wants to build ties by picking this provocative spot, or who exactly is behind the idea (or where exactly the promoter now is) is the worst sort of Neanderthal right prejudice.
No problem. We can assure the 3,000 dead that their passing was marked by the enlightened harmony of a mosque preempting a new tower. What we do know is that in about a year, all over the Middle East, al-Qaeda videos will have photo-shopped “strong horse” posters and CDs of the ruins of 9/11 in the shadow of a towering mosque, with the accustomed boilerplate about how Atta et al. knocked down the looming towers in order to have Islam’s shrine rise up in their place. It all sort of reminds one of the nasty reception the president’s envoy on Islamic outreach just got from a Muslim audience in India. He was “shocked” at his reception — or translated into Valley Girl parlance: “Like, I can’t believe this is happening to me.”
I don’t think the polls quite capture the present public anger, which in not abating. Everything seems to channel into a general furor: Michelle’s movable feast from Costa del Sol to Martha’s Vineyard; the president suing Arizona and counting on a judge to nullify the public will, as part of a larger effort either by judicial nod or administrative fiat to get amnesty for 15 million future voters who will reciprocate at the polls; politicians bragging about handing out another $100 billion of someone else’s money here, another $200 billion there; the constant assumption that popular expression is retarded, and those who go to a tea party rally, vote to enforce immigration law, want to see marriage as it has been for millennia, want to cut federal spending, or are tired of identity politics are Palinesque clingers.
The Best and the Brightest
The common denominator? If one were to survey the elite campuses around 1975 and talk to those in law school, poly sci, or the humanities, then imagine them 35 years later as our elite leaders in government, the media, the universities, the foundations, and the arts, one could pretty much expect what we now have.
The present symptoms that characterize both our popular culture and current governance — shrill self-righteousness; abstract communalism juxtaposed with concrete pursuit of the aristocratic good life; race/class/gender cosmic sermonizing with private school and Ivy league for the kids; crass and tasteless public expression; a serial inability to take responsibility for one’s actions; the bipartisan mega-deficits; the inability to cut pensions and social security for the baby boomers — from the trivial to the fundamental, all derive from a bankrupt cohort that came of age in the sixties and seventies.
We see the arrested adolescence and hypocrisy that come from that sermonizing generation, whether in Al Franken’s puerile face-making, the ideologically driven suicide at Newsweek, the steady destruction of the New York Times, John Kerry’s tax-avoiding yacht, the Great Gatsby Clinton wedding, Michelle on the Costa del Sol, Nancy Pelosi’s jet, Tim Geithner’s tax skipping, or the constant race-card playing of a Charles Rangel and Maxine Waters. Yes, one walk across the Yale or Stanford campus circa 1975, and one could see pretty clearly what sort of culture that bunch would create when it came of age and was handed power. If that is reductionism, so be it.
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Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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