Friday, August 6, 2010 - 11:52 AM

I don't for a minute think that President Obama cares about what I write, or that he's even aware that I've criticized the lack of progress being made on the main items on his foreign policy "to-do" list. It is therefore just a coincidence that he held a surprise meeting with a group of journalists on Wednesday and offered a lengthy defense of the administration's approach to Iran.
You can find links to eye-witness accounts of the meeting here, but the gist of the president's pitch was as follows: 1) Our efforts to isolate Iran are working, and the regime is under growing pressure; 2) We remain open to improved relations with Iran and would welcome the opportunity to cooperate on matters of mutual interest, such as Afghanistan; 3) All Iran has to do is accept our entirely reasonable demand that it cease all nuclear enrichment; 4) Iran isn't making rapid progress toward a nuclear bomb, so there's no need for precipitate (i.e., military) action, but 5) All options are still "on the table."
I don't mean to sound like a broken record here, but the administration's policy reminds of this famous Syd Harris cartoon depicting two scientists staring at a blackboard covered with equations, except for a spot in the middle where it says "then a miracle occurs." One scientist says to the other: "I think you should be more explicit here in Step 2."
Exactly. I'd like someone in the administration to be explicit about why they think our current approach is going to deliver any of the tangible things we claim to be want, such as 1) A guarantee that Iran won't get nuclear weapons, 2) An improved relationship with Tehran, or 3) An end to Iranian support for Hezbollah, etc. It's always possible that our current policy will eventually cause Iran to simply cave in to our demands, but the extensive literature on the efficacy of economic sanctions doesn't offer much hope that this will happen soon. It is also possible that the clerical regime might conveniently collapse and be replaced by some version of the opposition, but there's no reason to think this event is imminent. Indeed, tighter sanctions may even be strengthening the Revolutionary Guards and other pillars of the current regime, for the simple reason that they control key sectors of the illicit economy. And even if we did eventually get some sort of regime change, there is considerable popular support for Iran's civilian nuclear program and key leaders of the opposition -- including former Prime Minister Mir Hossein Mousavi -- are strong proponents of the program. So why do we think our current policy will bring us what we want?
The basic problem is that our approach to Iran is rife with contradictions. We say we want better relations, but in the meantime we are almost certainly engaged in covert action inside Iran and we rarely miss an opportunity to remind the world that all options are still "on the table." We've made it clear that we think Iran's current government is illegitimate and ought to be replaced, and then we wonder why they don't immediately respond when Obama says he really does want to cooperate. As I've noted before, this sort of inconsistency just fuels the suspicion that the United States is insincere and duplicitous and reinforces Iran's own paranoia. We've also made it clear that we are dead-set against Iran's getting a nuclear weapons capability -- which they may or may not be trying to do -- yet we continue to act in ways that can only reinforce their interest in having a more effective deterrent, even if it is only a "latent" capability.
True, we've been able to round up more international support for slightly tougher sanctions, but we're well shy of the sort of "crippling" sanctions that might induce a change in behavior and the main reason we've gotten more international support is because our European allies prefer that course of action to the use of force. And states like China are probably delighted to see us remain at loggerheads with Iran forever, while they make profitable investments and oil deals without facing competition from U.S. firms.
All of which leads me to stick to my original forecast: The United States isn't going to make any meaningful progress on relations with Iran during Obama's first term. I don't think Obama will authorize an attack, because that wouldn't solve the problem for long and could make many other issues (Iraq, Afghanistan, the Gulf in general) much worse. (And contrary to what you may have heard, this recent survey suggests that attacking Iran over its nuclear program wouldn't do much for our image elsewhere in the region). I don't think the clerical regime will collapse -- though I would shed no tears if it did -- and I doubt very much that it will agree to halt all enrichment. In short, relations with Iran will be pretty much where they were in 2008.
Two other quick points. It's possible that Obama's meeting with the journalists was intended to damp down the recent groundswell of voices calling for imminent military action. After all, part of his message was that Iran's nuclear program isn't moving that rapidly, so we have lots of time for diplomacy to take effect. I hope that reflects his own views, but there is no reason to believe that the sort of the diplomacy that the administration is currently practicing is going to produce a breakthrough and he's going to face continued right-wing pressure for a more forceful response.
Another possibility is that this is all just a bit of political theatre. In this version of events, the architects of our Iran policy don't believe that diplomacy will actually succeed, but they know that you have to go through the motions and appear to exhaust every avenue before you can convince the American people and the international community that you have no choice but to oh-so-reluctantly start bombing. Some of Obama's key advisors made arguments along these lines prior to joining the government, but there's no way of knowing how influential this view is either within the White House or throughout the administration.
But I can't help but wonder: What if the United States acknowledged that it can't stop Iran from having control of the full nuclear fuel cycle (at least, not at an acceptable price), and that in all likelihood Iran will end up with a latent "breakout" capability akin to Japan's? What if we actively tried to construct a deal that kept them from crossing the nuclear threshold and actually testing and deploying a weapon? Have we ever put a proposal like that on the table -- one that acknowledged their right to an enrichment program provided they ratified and implemented the NPT Additional Protocol and maybe undertook some other measures designed to reassure us about the peaceful nature of their nuclear program?
An initiative like this would require real patience and might not work, but it would be real diplomacy as opposed to our present policy. Right now, Washington simply assumes that Iran won't negotiate unless it is coerced into doing so by outside pressure. At the same time, Tehran has made it clear that it wants to negotiate but refuses to do so under pressure. The predictable result is the current stalemate. You'd think the U.S. government could come up with something creative to try to overcome this impasse, instead of just hoping for a miracle.
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"Mir Hossein Mousavi" is not an Ayatollah. He was Iran's prime minister during the Iran -Iraq war.
1. Iranians have come to equate their nuclear program in defiance of the United States with Iran's independence, and Iran's independence as prerequisite for meaningful democratic freedoms and prosperity. They have paid dearly in blood and treasure for Iran's independence. Those are sunk costs. Iranians will bear additional hardships caused by the new round of sanctions to safeguard Iran's independence. The calculus of the regime is somewhat different. With the exception of Iran's independence, the regime has failed to deliver on the promises of the Islamic Revolution. Hence, the regime must weigh the risk of popular revolt that additional hardships may trigger against the risk of certain revolt that overt capitulation to the United States will occasion.
2. From the US perspective, the Islamic Revolution put at risk a "world order" that it designed after WWII and perfected after the Soviet implosion. The Revolutionary Iran was contained by Saddam during the 1980's, and by the "dual-containment" policy in the 1990s and early 2000s. The Iraq invasion of 2003 shattered the containment policy. Iran's nuclear program is an ideal excuse for containing Iran. Either Iran visibly capitulates to US demands on the nuclear issue (i.e., visibly ends its US defiance), or else it must be contained by the "World Community" (i.e.,UNSC that US cajoles into compliance through side deals).
3. Additional sanctions will not trigger an uprising in Iran. Note that Iranian Revolution occurred in 1978-9, at the end of two decades of sustained economic growth that was unmatched in the Region or in Iran's history. A decade latter (i.e.,1988-89), the Iranian economy was in ruins because of the Iran-Iraq war, the US sanctions, etc. There were wide-spread rationing of basic necessities. Yet, there were no popular revolt against the Islamic regime. Consider some other facts. In 1977, Iran with a population of 35 million, produced 6m barrels of oil per day, was a biggest importer of wheat, imported about 85% of its armaments, and had a highly dependent economy. Today, thanks mainly to the sanctions and US opposition to Iran joining the WTO, Iran with a population of 70 million, produces 3.7 m barrels of oil per day, is a small exporter of wheat, domestically produces 90% of its defense needs, and has a more diversified economy than any other oil-exporting country in the world.
Walt's prescription is not realistic
I understand Dr. Walt's frustration. In fact, I would suspect that if you had a candid, off-the-record conversation with most officials in the U.S. Government, they would express their frustration over the lack of progress as well. But this is not entirely the Obama administration's fault. Diplomacy- or the lack thereof- is a two way street, so the Iranian regime possesses a certain degree of blame over the impasse as well.
Walt is writing as if the entire nuclear stalemate is President Obama's on-making. If only he engaged the Iranians early on, took the threat of force off the table, and proposed a much more rational deal. Personally, I happen to agree with Walt about uranium enrichment; regardless of whether you like it or not, Iran has an international right under the NPT to produce its own uranium for peaceful purposes. The U.S. is trying to pressure Iran to forgo that legal right, which is making it even harder for the developing world to take the U.S. position seriously.
But despite this loophole, Obama's policy seems pretty rational to me. He's obviously trying to play both sides of the street by simultaneously threatening Iran while extending a hand. And he's doing this for strategic as well as political reasons. He's trying to show the Iranians that he is open for negotiation, while showing the Israelis that he is going to make sure the bomb never falls into Tehran's hands. Yes, it's sloppy. And yes, it's gives multiple signals to the ayatollahs. But it's a pragmatic course of action that mends two opposing viewpoints (unconditional talks vs. military force).
It's one thing to start an academic argument and propose that the White House drop the threat of military force altogether. But it's a completely different thing to implement that recommendation in the real world. It's not realistic for the President to simply change course and ditch sanctions. There would be a political firestorm in Congress that the President is too soft on Iran. And if public opinion polls are any indication, the American people would jump on Obama's back as well (the latest poll I found was that over 50 percent would support a U.S. strike on Iranian nuclear facilities).
One more thing: Who is to say that the Iranians would not simply pocket the concessions and continue with its program?
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For anyone who is interested, here is the poll I was referring too. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/10/06/76633/poll-if-talks-fail-americans-back.html.
It's a little outdated, but it's the latest Pew Research Poll that I could find regarding the public's opinion on military action.
I couldn't access the Pew site for whatever reason. Their servers must be down.
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I agree with your assessment, yet I question the conclusion that the administration's approach is a truly rational one. If one accepts that improving relations and successfully blocking the Iranian pursuit of uranium enrichment capability are twin priorities, then a continuation of the same lack of progress inherited by the previous administration undermines that it is truly rational. The same, or similar, obstacles to accomplishing either objective are not new developments. While domestically agreeable, staying the course by continuing to offer simulatneously an olive brance and the sword (in the form of international sanctions and the threat of an Israeli/American pre-emptive strike) should not be expected to work. There are varying working definitions for "rational", so I may have misunderstood your meaning. In this instance, I would use the term to describe a method that managing cost and risk, while still achieving success. While I don't consider current policy to be an irrational one (in this instance, describing a method that fails either to succeed or to balance either cost or risk), I propose it best described in terms closer to a "status-quo policy".
I suspect that the reason so much weight is put on the Iranian issue is primarily for its domestic value, both with the pro-Israeli lobby and a general populace which remains easily and emotion swayed by abstract security threats. I think the poll you cited would support the real or potential domestic value placed on tough rhetoric. Whether a poll exists to guage the American public's belief that a pre-empty military strike would succeed in ending Iranian esoteric nuclear threat is doutbful, but would be very interesting. I don't think that such a threat could ever be eradicated once a nation makes its firm intent to pursue nuclear technology, in the same way that the nuclear threat posed by a non-alligned nuclear power can never be eradicated by way of reduction or non-proliferation agreements (particularly as long as that nation represents an easily marginalized influence within the American social psyche).
By rational, I simply met that the President chose to combine two extreme policies (military force on one side, and unconditional diplomacy absent the use of force on the other). If you want to speak in technical terms, then Mr. Obama is actually taking the middle ground. He understands that military action against Iran's nuclear facilities would be catastrophic to the Middle East as a whole, and may not even curtail Iran's program at all. But he also recognizes that diplomacy by itself it not going to make any headway either. The Iranian Government would continue to do what it normally does (ratchet up its nuclear program while incurring little to no punishment for their decision). I suspect that this is a factor driving U.S. policy towards Iran. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be working, even with stronger sanctions.
I would also point out that the Obama administration is not exactly following Bush's playbook on Iran. As Obama has made clear over and over again, America's "extended hand" is always reaching out should the Iranians decide to act constructively. The President sent a personal letter to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei pleading for a new beginning in the U.S.-Iran relationship, and the President has also spoken directly to the Iranian people on two occasions stressing his desire to improve the ties of both countries. This could hardly be said of Bush's White House, whose Iran policy was not really a well thought out policy at all (doing nothing can hardly be considered a policy, can it?).
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I take issue with most of Mr. DEPETRIS points. Here are a few:
>>>Walt is writing as if the entire nuclear stalemate is President Obama's on-making.<<<
Okay, it's Cheney-Bushes fault, as well. Obama is the so-called "leader" of the "free world", such as it is. The U.S. holds all the cards. We squash nations on a whim. We reserve the right to kill anyone on the planet anytime for any reason. Our military is permanently garrisoned in the Middle East. We threaten Iran with war. Our so-called ally, Israel, constantly threatens Iran with war. If the US firmly, consistently and patiently pressed for genuine dialog without the constant threats and pre-conditional demands, there would be good-faith negotiations. It's a sad commentary on the United States, that negotiations and diplomacy, with all the the give and take that those terms imply, are no longer considered worthy of consideration. Instead we engage in posturing, bellicose hectoring and make a lot of noise about how the Iranians refuse to negotiate, even as we are the ones that refuse. We have to endure Hillary channeling Condi: "They know what they have to do". We dictate, we lecture, we humiliate, and oh yes, we bomb countries into oblivion, but we do not negotiate. That is the essence of U.S. foreign policy today.
>>>But despite this loophole, Obama's policy seems pretty rational to me. <<<
It's not rational at all. It is evasive, duplicitous, and not to be taken seriously as diplomacy. Obama may not want war with Iran, but he plays into the neocons hands quite nicely. Obama's concerns seem to be the typical short-sighed political ones, namely don't offend the powerful pro-Israeli lobby, don't rock the boat with wealthy Jewish democratic donors, and don't appear "soft" on foreign policy, which in today's America means aggressive militaristic posturing and pre-emptive offensive wars against others that we deem a threat.
>>>But it's a pragmatic course of action that mends two opposing viewpoints (unconditional talks vs. military force).<<<
As if "unconditional" talks represents some kind of extreme position that only a naive neophyte would consider. It's exactly that kind of thinking that has led us into the Middle East quagmire that we find ourselves in. Of course, it's a quagmire that the extreme right delights in.
>>>It's one thing to start an academic argument and propose that the White House drop the threat of military force altogether. But it's a completely different thing to implement that recommendation in the real world.<<<
Again, this way of thinking IS the problem itself. It's a viewpoint where "peace" is seen as unrealistic, appeasement and naiveté. Peace is for sissies. War is for real men and for real nations. Yes, it would take backbone to stand up to the Republicans, the military-industrial complex and the neocons and take the military "option" (yes, it is an option, not a requirement) off the table. That's what presidents are supposed to have - backbone! Sadly, we won't find any in Obama.
ADDAMO, you are exactly right.
How about his "only term". Nice use of journalistic political rhetoric.
Although this reporter may not be all that bad, Foreign Policy editor-in-chief is Bilderburger all the way:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg-2010-final-list-of-participants.html
There is no such thing as a "pre-emptive strike". It's called an attack.
Israel has nukes. Sanctions are a double standard.
Why don't you write about that, Mr. Walt?
There IS a proposal on the table...
What if the United States acknowledged that it can't stop Iran from having control of the full nuclear fuel cycle (at least, not at an acceptable price), and that in all likelihood Iran will end up with a latent "breakout" capability akin to Japan's? What if we actively tried to construct a deal that kept them from crossing the nuclear threshold and actually testing and deploying a weapon? Have we ever put a proposal like that on the table -- one that acknowledged their right to an enrichment program provided they ratified and implemented the NPT Additional Protocol and maybe undertook some other measures designed to reassure us about the peaceful nature of their nuclear program?
Such a proposal has long been on the table - at least since June 2006. It was the "Elements of a long-term agreement" proposal that was initially put forward by the EU group but later adopted as a full P5+1 proposal, as laid out in S/2006/521. Its wording:
We will:
- Reaffirm Iran’s right to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes in
conformity with its obligations under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of
Nuclear Weapons (hereinafter, NPT), and in this context reaffirm our support
for the development by Iran of a civil nuclear energy programme.
- Commit to support actively the building of new light water reactors in Iran
through international joint projects, in accordance with the IAEA statute and
NPT.
- Agree to suspend discussion of Iran’s nuclear programme in the Security
Council upon the resumption of negotiations.
Iran will:
- Commit to addressing all of the outstanding concerns of IAEA through full
cooperation with IAEA,
- Suspend all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities to be verified by
IAEA, as requested by the IAEA Board of Governors and the Security Council,
and commit to continue this during these negotiations.
- Resume the implementation of the Additional Protocol.
And for the record: it is still on the table. The latest SC resolution still mentions the proposal as an option for further negotiations in its preambulatory clauses.
So the issue is not that there is no proposal on the table. Rather we should ask why no one is seriously considering it (on either side) or at least pushing it forward as a serious option?
Yes, and the preamble to that reads:
Our goal is to develop relations and cooperation with Iran, based on mutual respect…
No one is actively seeking that goal, no one is doing anything at all to move toward it; it is if everyone had just stood around the Gulf oil spill, blaming each other and waiting for it to stop.
A first step is to accept that it is the US, the Pied Piper of the Western world, that wants something from Iran and not the other way round. One thing that could usefully change is the US attitude which appears arrogant and unbending. When Turkey and Brazil came up with something that might have led to something that might have begun to lead somewhere, Hillary Clinton waved it away with the irritation normally reserved for a tiresome flying insect.
Suppose we simply reduce the overt demonisation level for a start. Then there is the promotion of cultural and social ties through exchanges in art, sport and other areas that are above, or at any rate independent, of the nuclear issue. This would scarcely be practical were an Iranian nuclear weapon mere months away but it isn’t even close; Obama has just said so. It might also be a bit difficult for the US considering the sensitivities of Israel, or the UK whose post war rape of Iran is not yet forgiven, but a start might be made through, say, France. Aside from its own historical artifacts, Iran has a remarkable collection of modern art, started by the Shah. Arranging to display this in a Western country would generate an enormous amount of harmless, and possibly healing, debate.
I just found this:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4406991&page=1
The defining fault of modern democracy is the desire to please everyone resulting in the inability to please anyone, and this has never been more true than in the israel-Palestinian impasse.
Obama is listening to his generals who are saying 'no attack on Iran...it'll be bloody quicksand and destabilize the whole region' while politically he's being pressured by the unthinkingly reflexive pro-Israel lobby, which has a ridiculous amount of influence as Prof. Walt knows only too well.
While making no excuses for Obama, he is in a hopeless position where he either does what's right for long-term stability (engages Iran in dialogue, avoids conflict) or listens to the apocalypso-set and sacrifices US long-term strategic goals for the sake of Israel being allowed to continue to thumb its nose at the world. This will not end well.
The constitutional position of a US President is not well suited to grand international affairs which would benefit from fuller authority and a Legislature that serves the position rather than seeking to destabilise and obstruct it with often irrelevant domestic priorities. As I have mentioned elsewhere, this was one problem facing the Roman Republic in 49BC when it contributed to the establishment of the Empire.
From Ms Amanpour's write up:
"The President refused to be drawn into a discussion on what the U.S. would do if Iran refused negotiations and continued development of its nuclear program.
"I'm not going to issue any public red lines. Iran should understand when I say we have all options on the table. I'm not going to announce any particular red lines at a meeting like this," he said"
Was/is he not willing to state what the next step will be if sanctions fail because he has decided on a policy of containment or because the next step will be an attack? The CIA (along with others) is apparently now stating that Iran is about two years away from building a bomb. It is believed that they presently have enough enriched material to build at least two bombs. 24 months, like the last year spent on the wild goose chase swap and enrich "negotiations", will go by very, very quickly. Indeed, if Iran continues to make advancements in it's enrichment activities and continues to step up the enrichment activites(they jusy added another cascade) the two year period may be shortened considerably. Netanyahu stated in his recent interview that Iran is making progress weekly/daily.
Given Iran's penchant for using "negotiations" as a means of delaying further action being taken against them Obama, it seems to me, must be prepared to ratchet up the pressure on Iran at a very brisk measured pace. Sec. Gates , Adm Mullen and Sec Clinton all agree that sanctions are not likely to stop Iran but, at best, will only slow Iran's progress. Further, that the sanctions are intended as a signal to Iran that harsher action will be taken if a resolution is not acheived. Of course, precisely what those harsher actions will be is not articulated. But we do know one thing for sure, there is a military plan in place (what it entails is unknown,blockade, airstrikes, ground forces, combo). It is also unclear what will be the triggering factor for the use of military force and how it will be determined that the triiger has been pulled. However, it may not matter because certainly the Israelis have their own plan and time table/triggering event(s) independent of any plans Obama may have. Obviously some of the ground work has already been put in place for an Israeli strike.
The administration is well aware that Iran is watching carefully for any and all signs as to what the next step(s) may be and when they will be taken. The pressures to be placed on the Iranians in the coming months should be front loaded. As I say, at at brisk and measured pace. Without front loading it allows Iran to continue down it's path without feeling significant increased pressure. As Iran gets closer to it's goal it is less likely that it will voluntarily give up it's program. So the convincing stage is now and in the coming months. Much beyond that and Iran will be tied into it's program too deeply to abandon it (if not already) and the forces within Iran calling for them to press forward will rule the moment.
In his article, Mr Kagan talks about the other journalist taking certain statements Obama made as an indication that he was ready to pursue some new diplomatic initiative, even though none was announced. Perhaps that is because they would like to believe that there really is some diplomatic breakthrough that will convince Iran to give it up. Unfortunately for all of us, Iran included, that is not very likely to happen. Ceratinly now would be the time to announce it, as an alternative, if there were any such thing in the works. Rather, I think the administration is using it's statements on the talking head shows and the exclusive suprise meetings with select journalist as another means of sending a signal to Iran that they better be prepared to resolve this matter soon. But when the journalist come out of such meetings talking about Obama potentialy moving onto new diplomatic initiatives to break the log jam, it waters down the signal Obama may be intending to send. If I were the Iranian leadership and I just had a buch of new sanctions clamped down on me and key members of Obama's administration were openly admitting to having military plans in place, while at the same time staging private suprise meetings with major journalist whose focus is foreign policy( wherein the Obama himself tacitly admits that a military plan is in place), I,d begin to wonder just how far I can go before the bombs start flying. That message gets watered down, however, when the journalist come out of the meeeting speculating about new diplomatic steps . Instead of ratcheting up the pressure it gives Iran cause to believe that perhaps they can delay yet again by feigning, once again, interest in a "negotaiated" solution knowing that if the swap and enrich deal doesn't bear fruiit Obama is prepared to go to other diplomatic measure as he signaled via the journalist .
While Obama was not willing to discuss the red line, and he shouldn't at this point, it is unclear from the article and others whether or not he was asked about switching to a policy of containment should sanctions and diplomacy fail. Perhaps Mr Walt can fill us in on that and whether or not Obama talked about the role of Israel in all of this. Was Obama asked about what he understands Israel's plan/time table to be in dealing with Iran and how that is either in sync with or at odds with Obama's plans?
As an aside, If I were the Israelis I would demand, as part of the peace negotiations with Abbas (assuming they resume anytime soon), that the "Palestinians" cease taking weapons from Iran and that they openly call for Iran to cease it's nuke program subject to open and continuous inspections.
The clock on all of this is ticking rapidly and hopefully Obama will not let Iran continue to delay or switch from his stated policy to a policy of containment. Because I agree with him, that if the terrorist are alloed to get their hands on nuclear weapons or dirty bomb materials there can be no doubt they will use them . That risk grows exponentially under a nuclearized Iran.
I have never seen one iota of evidence that Iran intends to build a nuclear weapon. If the US or Israel have this evidence, where is it? Why can they not put it on the table? Why is no one announcing it to the big wide world in unequivocal terms? Why is there no photograph, no intelligence proof? If such proof exists, what possible reason can there be for it to remain 'secret'? It all smells more and more like Saddam's WMDs. If there were one power on this earth that would put Israel in its place, I have a hunch much else in the world would simmer down. Am I being anti-Semitic? Maybe.
Like you, I don’t believe Iran is after nuclear weapons. Has it occurred to you that Ahmadinejad may enjoy teasing Netanyahu? He makes calm, measured but highly provocative comments that get Netanyahu on his feet spluttering in outrage and waving pieces of paper all over the place like a demented windmill. It is a bit naughty but it works every time.
Aside from the military, economic, and human inadvisability of attacking Iran, the political fallout could be extraordinarily destabilising since 57% of Arabs polled recently in the Middle East apparently think the ME would be safer if Iran did have a nuclear arsenal. The figures for Egypt are particularly interesting.
http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2010/0805_arab_opinion_poll_telhami.aspx
IPPON1, the Arabs ‘not wanting Iran to have nuclear weapons’ and 57% of Arabs thinking the ME would be safer if Iran did are not mutually exclusive positions. The Arabs want a completely nuclear free ME that would include Iran and, of course, Israel. But that isn’t going to happen any time soon. In default of a nuclear free ME, however, 57% think Iran having a nuclear arsenal would make the ME safer. Furthermore, when the US press talks about Arabs wanting this or that it is talking about Arab leaders whereas the poll was of Arab citizens. Few Arab states are democracies and the regimes in many are vulnerable. 75% of Egyptians think the ME would be safer if Iran had a nuclear arsenal regardless of whether Iran is actually moving that way or not. Overall the poll shows a large positive pro-Iran percentage that might well erupt in the event of an attack. The poll also gives the percentages that watch news on Arab channels and it is hard to imagine they would stay seated or switch to a US soap. It could be Armageddon.
Anyone whos the history of Iranian-US relations would know we built this menace. Every time a so-called moderate was elected in Iran, the sanctions and embargos would suspend - Clinton, Bush, Carter, Bush 2 would embrace the leader and everything would be honkry dory.
Of course, Iran would continue to be a prolific sponsor of terror and meddle in the affairs of Arab nations, while painting itself as the victim to Israel and US "imperialism."
Israel has said for the last 20 years Iran is the threat. When Bush wanted to invade Iraq everyone from Sharon to irrelevant IDF generals said that was bogus and Iran was the threat.
Now only did we ignore Israel, but Bush cooked a phony NIE report that said Iran suspended its nuclear program years ago and poses no threat to US hegemony.
BND, Mossand, MI6, CIA, even Arab intelligence of the last 20 years proved the report was patently false - and guess what, a new NIE report that came out under Obama says the exact opposite of what Bush said (probably to justify sanctions on Iran).
Obama has done everything he can to impede sanctions - even gutting a bi-partisan passed bill im Congress aimed at choking Iran's economy to cease nuclear weapons.
Considering Iran has called for the destruction of the Israel and not the US, and funds terrorist organizations aimed at destroying Israel and not the US, and really has no territorial ambitions towards the US or its Arab allies - US foreign policy towards Iran makes sense up until now.
Ultimately Israel will take care of a mess we created, and the world will blame Israel for the fall-out and its "aggression."
The reality is Israel could never tolerate an Iran with nukes. It is unreliable, unstable, irrational and who's stopping it from slipping a dirty bomb to Hamas or Hezbollah?
Walt - tell me, do you think the Middle East will survive 10 years with a nuclear Israel and Iran - countries with opposite national aspirations?
We've never sent troops to protect Israel and Israel isn't asking for troops. It simply wanted to the green light to bomb reactors 3 years ago but US refuses, instead opting for the "sanctions" game.
Israel agreed to let the international community uses its collective force to stop Iran - but since the EU does $50 billion in trade with Iran and US multinational companies have no interest in ending trade with Iran, it's been difficult to pass serious sanctions.
Only now that the world accepts Iran's ambitions do world leaders uprade the rhetoric.
Remember when European and US said Israel was acting prematurely? Now Sarkozy says Iran poses a threat to the world and must be stopped.
Geez, what changed?
The Arab world changed. they hate Iran more than Israel. Israel's defense ministry for 4 years was Iranian.
Arab world subjugates Shias and millions have been killed in the shia-sunni split.
The Arab states won't say they support Israel's military option publically, but we all know they're cooperating with the IDF. Saudi Arabian security officials even met with Israeli intelligence a couple of months ago (categorically denied by the Saudis of course).
Israel will attack Iran if the US doesn't.
"First, Iran has every right as an NPT signatory to enrich uranium. "
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Wrong. As an NPT Iran has an obligation to follow NPT protocol and honor the necessary to steps to acquire nuclear energy.
The only way UNSC was able to pass sanctions on Iran was because it was in violation of its NPT obligations.
Get it?
First, what you think is "B.S" doesn't matter. UNSC couldn't pass sanctions on Iran unless it was in violation of its NPT agreement.
NPT has STRICT protocols in developing nuclear energy - if a country fails to follow it then they obviously want to use the energy for something other than peaceful purposes.
There is no logic to Iran's lack of cooperation. Everyone and their mother's know Iran is gunning for nuclear weapons. Every intelligence agency - Mossad, MI6, BND, CIA, etc...etc...all know Iran is developing nukes.
It's just a question of time.
Mohamed ElBaradei was the original IAEA leader who allowed Iran to develop nukes while he used his status to wage a personal vendetta against Israel. He was replaced by another Japanese sockpuppet who doesn't to offend the Iranian regime.
Simply business as usual at the United Nations - suck up to ruthless dictatorships.
This whole argument is pointless, because of the reasons described in the article itself. The US isn't prepared for nor is willing to engage in meaningful negotiations. By continuously claiming that Iran's regime is illegitimate (1) and all options are on the table (2) the US diplomacy automatically excludes diplomacy itself.
(1) Why is Iran's regime illegitimate? Because there has been unrest after the elections? So has been in the US after Bush's second, with troubled crowd-control, arrests and debates. Because Iran has prisons? One word: Guantanamo. The list goes on, yet the real reason is that the US doesn't like the Iranian regime. Basing a diplomatic stance on something like this is plain stupidity.
(2) The US of A is a member of the UN and signed it's Charter. That Charter specifically rejects all forms of aggressive, unilateral military action. Yet all you hear about is how the US wants to "take out" Iran. US playing rouge, still wondering why Iran won't cooperate.
Imagine a robber, sticking a gun to your face, threatening to kill you. Yet all of a sudden (without lowering the gun, as "all options are still on the table"), it complains that you are unwilling to enter into discussions about how should you hand over all your valuables. And remember, YOU are the bad guy, because all the robber wants are your valuables to maintain world peace with, and you insolent bastard are hampering his progress...
Same old arguements - /suggestions -BROKEN RECORD,the dictum you surrender first then we will negotiate.it does not work , negotiate in good faith and without bully tactics . Mr Walt please do recommended that -some one with an open mind in White House will understand and act for the benefit of all
USA IS THE GREATEST NATION .THINK & ACT GREAT
What about the Israeli factor?
I used Ctrl-F to search for the word ‘Israel’. That word couldn’t be fount in Prof. Walt’s article while more than 100 hits were found in the comment section.
Here, in the main body something BIG is missing. Here, Israel, Likudniks and their extremely powerful supporters are the big players in a dark stage (maybe the biggest).
In proposing solutions for a complex problem such as this one EVERY element of the problem must be rationally and expertly analyzed.
How can Prof. Walt’s suggestion be practical and complete while a very big element is left out of the discussion?
Symbolically I imagine as long as Netanyahu equates Iran with Amalek (or pretends such analogy) then no rational solution can be found for the Iranian ‘problem’. Likudniks want Iran’s head on the silver plate. Nothing else is acceptable to them.
In other terms Total Obliteration is the “exact” description of what Israelites were instructed by God to face
Amalek
Here are “exact” instructions of God:.
“Go now and fall upon the Amalekites and destroy them, and put their property under ban. Spare no one; put them all to death, men and women, children and babes in arms, herds and flocks, camels and asses”. (1 Samuel 15:3,4)
I sincerely hope I am dead wrong.
(Google Search ‘Netanyahu amalek’ and find out more)
False. The CIA, along with 15 other US intelligence agencies sai
Now you are joking.
Now only do the CIA and every other intelligence agency know Israel is pursuing nuclear weapons, but the US DOD and Obama's join chiefs say so.
You know nothing about Iran or the Middle East you Iranian sockpuppet. Go stone some women you faggot.
http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704913304575371942413920522.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/30/cia-iran-has-capability-to-produce-nuke-weapons/
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/30/cia-report-iran-capable-of-making-nuke/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3867880.ece
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1216203/MI6-uncovers-Irans-secret-nuclear-plant-used-build-weapons.html'
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/secretservices/MI6-warns-of-Iran-threat.2788316.jp
There, it's not a secret that major intelligence agencies believe Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. The so-called "expert" commenter stated in OBVIOUS lie. There is NO logic to Iran's nuclear program and her co-inciding ballistic weapons program other than for weaponized purposes.
NPT enables countries who want nuclear energy to follow strict but costless guidelines. Violating the NPT while at the same time pursuing "peaceful" nuclear energy makes no sense.
Only reason one would avoid the NPT is because you aren't looking to create energy. As if Iran needs it, it has the 2nd largest oil reserves on the planet.
I linked FIVE sources and you only criticize one?
Oh, maybe cause one of them says: "CIA WARNS OF IRAN NUKES"
Face it, you are an Islamist sockpuppet. Everyone knows Iran is pursuing nukes, you know it but continue to deny with bogus buzzwords and propaganda.
"Robert Gates testified that Iran was not even close..."
I seem to be the only one providing sources here, you provide none for your claims.
Your claims that Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons is contradicted here:
"There is ample logic. US science organisations have agreed that Iran does indeed have a legitimate need for nuclear power. With Israel and the US threatening Iran on a weekly basis with attack, there is a legitimate need for weapons to serve as a deterrent."
So now this an entirely different issue - Iran pursuing nukes (mainstream consensus, denied only by Islamist sock puppets) versus Iran is entitled to nukes (supported by Islamist sockpuppets and fringe progressives).
So which is it?
Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons.
Now, you say Iran is a passive victim to Israel and USA foreign policy? So it was Israel that sponsors 2 of the most powerful and capable terrorist organizations on the planet that have scud missiles pointed at Tehren, and have killed thousands of Iranian civilians?
No doubt Iran believes it is threatened by Israel and the USA. But Iran is run by paranoid maniacs and would run the country into the ground in the name of religion.
If Israel was so aggressive it wouldn't have surrendered its sovereignty to the international community in disarming Iran's nuclear program. Israel has no territorial ambitions towards Iran and poses no threat to its existence. The Arab states don't fear Israel and neither does Iran.
But again, Leftists are pussy-whiped by the bitching and moaning of Islamists, and deny the rights of the most progressive and modern people in the Middle East - the Israelis.
Why defend the indefensible?
@IranSlut
Hypotheticals:
"Paranoid? How would Israel react to having 2 nuclear armed submarines and a couple of aircraft carrier groups parked off it’s coast?
How would Israel react if Iran said all options were on the table with respect to dealing with Israel?
How would Israel react if Iran were moving fighter aircraft and bombers to air bases close to Israel?
How would Israel react if Iran pressured Russia into cancelling a sale of anti aircraft missiles to Israel because, as the IAF Commander has said, it would limit Israel’s ability to operate in that sphere?"
A) Iran is an authoritarian religious dictatorship and a state sponsor of terror.
B) Israel is a progressive democracy and historic ally of the USA.
C, D, E, every other letter) ISRAEL AND IRAN CANNOT BE COMPARED
Iran has declared war on Israel, not vice-versa. Iran sponsors two proxies in Lebanon and Gaza, both of which answer directly to the revolutionary guard. Iran has pumped billions into these groups.
As I suspected, you portray Iran as the victim, a passive state while Israel is bent on its destruction.
This is couldn't be farther from the truth and you are forced to obfuscate it.
Israel is the only nation in the ME with a political system that is very close to America. Israel is the only dependable ally in the region - applying a very powerful deterrent to bad behavior by other nations in the region,.
Iran has profited greatly from US foreign policy. Every time so-called "moderate" was elected every POTUS would greet him with free money and European trade.
Reagan who sought friendship with "moderate" Rafsanjani secretly sent his National Security Advisor to Tehran, Clinton and his reformist Khatami was a total sham.
And here we are, an Iranian threat picking fights with a nuclear power and Israel DARES to defend itself and the Left shows up and apologizes for the fascists.
If we had a Hezbollah-like organization on our border, with scud missiles pointed at our city, and the sponsor was threatening our destruction and openly pursued a nuclear weapons program - you think Obama wouldn't turn that nation into a radioactive desert?
But the Left doesn't respect Israel and is pussy-whiped by the Islamists...
"Good question. Why do you defend the indefensible and why are you such a liar?"
Yes, I'm defending a state that stones homosexuals, exports terrorism, serial murder of Americans and refers to every enemy state as "Satan."
Real progressive.
KINGK correctly cites the wikipedia article - Iran is at 20% enrichment and it's only a matter of time before they get weapons-grade uranium. There is no logic to Iran's nuclear program without weapons.
It makes perfect sense.
Does Iran have a "Samson Option" like Israel?
That's just about as fanatical and crazy as anything spewing from the Irani regime. Addamo, thanks the analysis and taking the time to investigate Avner's sources.
Avner Stein, Livity, Vilkssweden, AmosYarkoni are the same guy
this guy just spends his whole day spamming message boards. People who offer legitimate and inciteful criticism of Walt or Palestine get drowned out by his nonsense.
Some of his buddies form the Digg Patriots:
http://blogs.alternet.org/oleoleolson/2010/08/05/massive-censorship-of-digg-uncovered/
Israelis hate anti-Semites, but...
Gleefully made peace with admirers of Hitler (Nazis) like Anwar Sadat..
' "Towards the end of World War II, Sadat wrote to the Fuhrer: "My dear Hitler, I congratulate you from the bottom of my heart. Even if you appear to have been defeated, in reality you are the victor." '
[sullivan-county.com/id4/storobin_nazis.html]
[eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/missed.html#1]
Addamo says:
"The Iranians have enough low enriched uranium (.5% U235) that could theoretically be enriched to HEU (90-95% U 235) if they had the means to do so. That’s a bit like arguing that someone who gets a score of 4% in an exam could score 95% if he really studied hard for another 2 years"
Unfortunately for Addamo he is either uninformed about the state of Iran's production capabilities or, as Joe Biden would say, is intentional misinforming.
It is widely known that Iran is enriching to the 20% level, not .5. The Iranian leadership itself admits and openly declares that it is enriching to the 20% level, In addition, it is well known that reaching the 20% enrichment level is very significant, because the process of going from 20% to 90 or 95% is relatively simple compared to the process of reaching the 20% level. And for all of you on here that want to rely upon old and outdated reports, you don't have to take my word for it. First the Iranians themselves have stated they will not cease their program. Second, Leon Panetta has also recently warned about the status of Iran's program.
" CIA Director Leon Panetta said Sunday that Iran probably has enough low-enriched uranium for two nuclear weapons, but that it likely would take two years to build the bombs.
Panetta told ABC television’s This Week that he is doubtful that recent UN penalties will put an end to Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
He said the penalties could help to weaken Teheran’s government by creating serious economic problems. But he added, “Will it deter them from their ambitions with regards to nuclear capability? Probably not.” "
The mere fact that the Obama administration is making such statements about Iran is a very clear indication that Iran's program is in place and probably much further down the path of weaponization then is being stated to the public. Given Obama's main tactic of trying to boost his stature by repeatedly blaming everything on Bush and saying that his way represents the correct way, can there be any doubt that if he could say that Bush was wrong about Iran and that it was his inflammatory rhethoric and failure to engage in a dialogue with Iran that has cuased the problem to be overblown that he wouldn't miss the opportunity to do so? Obviously not!
To the contrary, the facts have forced him into a postion of having to not only pursue more aggressive sanctions while "negotiations" have utterly failed, but he now is to the point of unleahing members of his administration to publicly announce that we have plans in place to attack Iran if the sanctions do not force Iran back to negotiations. In other words, he has been forced, by the facts, to take the Bush position and advance it a little further.
For all of you on here that so desparetly want to avoid the reality of the situation, ask your self this:
If Iran's porpose for it's program was purely for medical and energy purposes, why hasn;t Iran simply agreed to turn over all of it's enriched material to be converted to fuel rods? That would end the whole matter. They would have what they state they want and everyone else would then feel safer knowing that Iran can not use the 20% enriched uranium to enrich further and build a weapons program. It's a simple solution that can be implemented now . All Iran has to do is agree. But they haven't and they won't because they clearly intend to use the materials for weapons production.
The whole argument that Iran has never attacked anyone is also totally ridiculous. First, you do not need to actaully carry out a direct attack on any one when you have puppets, like Hamas and Hezbollah, that are there to do the job for you. Second, if Iran is` such a peaceful benign State, then why do their weapons repeatedly show up in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan? Third, the assupmtion that they will not attack others in the future is misguided. If they have no such intentions and merely desire to coexist in peace with others in the region, what need would they have for nukes? There is no country that seeks to attack a peaceful Iran.
The apologist/appeasers for Iran have yet to explain why it is that I, or anyone else for that ,should believe a bunch of religious zealot dictators that suppress their own people by misusing religion to secure their power. I prefer to listen to Leon Panetta and the Russians.
Lastly the same appologist and appeasers keep making excuses for Iran's statements concerning the right of Israel to exist. They frequently argue that Ahmabuildnukes has been misquoted and that a more precise translation of his satement, and they always refer to just one of the statements, is a benign referrence to the inabilty of any occupying power to maintain it's power of the ocupied state. The problem with that is that there have been repeated statements by him and by others, including Khameni himself, that clearly call for the destruction/elimination of the State of Israel. While one such statement may be able to be spun into something it was not, the others are not able to be spun because they are even more direct. But again, I guess that could all be resolved by the Iranian leadership issuing an edict and an official governmemt statement that they recognize the right of Israel to exist in the ME and that they will, henceforth, endeavor to enagge in peaceful coexistence with Israel. Not supplying rockets and rhetoric to their puppets as they are doing now. Maybe then we could begin to discuss a ME that is nuke free. But don't expect Iran to step up to the plate anytime soon, it's just not within the makeup of the religious zealot dictators to do so
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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