Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 12:45 PM

Here's something that probably won't shock you: I tend to agree with Paul Krugman more than I disagree with him. But not always. Case in point is his column last Sunday, which condemned China's hardline response to Japan's seizure of a Chinese trawler that had violated Japanese waters, and especially its decision to pressure Japan by cutting off the export of rare earth materials. He went on to criticize some other Chinese actions (including its chronically devalued currency), and said this added up to a picture of China as a "rogue economic superpower, unwilling to play by the rules."
I agree that China's overheated response to the trawler incident was foolish, if only because it will reinforce Asian concerns about China's rising power and make it more likely that other states will start taking concerted action to resist its influence. It's normal for great powers to throw their weight around -- if you don't believe me, just read a good history of U.S. relations with Latin America -- but doing so before one's power position is fully consolidated is a bad idea.
By the way, with the exception of the War of 1812, avoiding stupid quarrels with powerful countries was one of the smartest things that the United States did in its rise to superpower status. Not only did it avoid tangling with other major powers until after it had created the world's largest and most advanced economy, it also let the Eurasian powers bloody each other in ruinous wars, jumping in only when the balance of power was in jeopardy and leaving itself in a dominant position after both world wars (and especially WWII). This wasn't a perfect strategy, or even a noble one, but it was supremely self-interested approach that ensured U.S. primacy for decades.
If China's leaders are really smart, they'd act in a similar fashion today. They'd let the United States run itself to exhaustion in the Middle East, Central Asia, and elsewhere, while they stayed out of trouble, cultivated profitable relations with everyone, and made sure that their long-term development plans didn't get derailed. Picking fights with neighbors over minor issues is pointless, especially now, and on this point Krugman and I are in synch.
Where I part company is his characterization of China as a "rogue economic power," and his conclusion that "China's response to the trawler incident is… further evidence that the world's newest economic superpower isn't prepared to assume the responsibilities that go with that status."
For starters, this view assumes that China (or any other great power) has "responsibilities" to the global community. U.S. leaders like to proclaim that we have enormous "responsibilities" and "obligations" to the rest of the world, but this is usually just a phrase our leaders use to justify actions taken for our own (supposed) benefit. The leaders of any country are primarily responsible to their own citizens, which is why international cooperation is often elusive and why conflicts of interest routinely arise between sovereign states.
Moreover, the declaration that China is a rogue power that isn't "playing by the rules" neglects to mention that 1) many of these rules were devised by the United States and its allies and not by China, and 2) the United States has been all too willing to ignore the rules when it suited us. We went to war against Serbia in 1999 and against Iraq in 2003 without authorization from the U.N. Security Council, for example, even though we helped write the U.N. Charter that says such actions are illegal. Similarly, the US played the leading role in devising the Bretton Woods economic system after World War II, but it abandoned the gold standard in 1971 when this arrangement was no longer convenient for us.
The real lesson of the trawler/rare earth incident is that great powers can ignore the rules when they think they have to, and they can often get away with it. We should therefore expect China's leaders to pursue whatever policies they believe are in their interests, whether or not those policies are good for us, good for the planet as a whole, or consistent with some prior set of norms or rules.
Here's a penetrating leap into the obvious: sometimes China's interests will converge with ours; at other times, they will diverge sharply. Sometimes China's leaders will calculate their interests carefully and adopt smart policies for achieving them; at other times they will make costly blunders. Ditto their counterparts in Washington: sometimes U.S. leaders will act with insight and foresight and sometimes they will stumble headlong into disaster. Welcome to the real world. The bottom line is that it's neither illuminating nor helpful to hold China to a standard of "responsible" behavior that we fall short of ourselves. I mean, which country is currently detaining foreigners without trial in Guantanamo, and firing drone missiles into any country where it thinks al Qaeda might be lurking?
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The CPCPRC by definition is a reactionary state, i.e., it is inherently opposed to the rationality and development of democracy or of democratic government; of democratic society, culture, civilization. In short, the Jung Gwo/CPC/PRC are antithetical to the modern, post 14th century world.
Identify one fundamental principle, action or policy the CPC/PRC has taken or has in the pipeline that is predicated in some progressive notion, event or trend such as, for example, the European Enlightenment.. You can't.
The Jung Gwo (Han Chinese) predicate their beliefs and actions entirely and exclusively on the fact that they are the Jung Gwo. The Jung Gwo haven't any other claim to their delusion of global dominance except that they are the Jung Gwo. However, the 5000 year history of the totalitarian and authoritarian Jung Gwo say all we need to know about the Chinese - they are out for themselves and themselves only as we see year after year concerning every self serving totalitarian dictator and his family and cronies who are in command and control of a resource rich 3rd World country.
All of this aggregates to the governments and elites of the Pacific Rim especially becoming more closely aligned with and to the Untied States and the West to counterbalance the nakedly (and, yes, premature) use of the economics sledge hammer by the klutzes in Beijing, as they eagerly and enthusiastically try to exploit their increasing economic power, and their advancing military clout, even before they have become either a dominant regional power - much less the global hegemon the CPC/PRC/Jung Gwo have the 100% design to become, based exclusively on the fact that the Jung Gwo are per se the Jung Gwo.
The Jung Gwo stand for, represent and offer nothing to the modern and future world. The present day Jung Gwo are the well known always totalitarian and authoritarian Jung Gwo who, for the past 62 years, have reincarnated themselves as the Jung Gwo Communist Party. The fact remains that the Jung Gwo of 5000 years ago continue to be the Jung Gwo of the present.. That is, the Jung Gwo are dictators and tyrants always and forever. Ask the Nobel Peace Prize Committee about the fact.
The CPC/PRC use of the rare earth elements as another predicate of the Jung Gwo foreign policy is indeed premature - you are correct in this respect. But the use of the Jung Gwo/CPC/PRC of this 'bellow loudly and pound a big stick' action against Japan especially, but the West in general, indicates the chomping at the bit attitude of the of the new Jung Gwo dictators, the CCP, to jump the gun to try to exert their designs prematurely. The present Jung Gwo gang in Beijing are frothing at the mouth to reestablish their delusional Jung Gwo 5000 supremacy over and rule of the world as a 21st century hegemon.
The attempt by the CPC/PRC to use REE as at first a regional instrument of domination then to try to establish itself as the global hegemon, is a welcome indicator of the CPC/PRC short and long term purposes, nefarious as they are, to dictate to regional neighbors - Japan number one - and to the world that the heavy footed and klutz Jung Gwo asap will use any means, use any pressures, use any leveraging to try to control and dictate their fascist policies to free and open democracies and democratic societies.
Accordingly, the Jung Gwo/CPC/PRC are the new leading reactionary and authoritarian fascist force of the world. We need only to look at history to see and know what happens to emergent and aggressive fascist forces of the world, during the past 100 years in particular. The future holds the same fate for these like, same and similar fascist dictating forces presently nested and festering ever so unsubtly in Beijing.
First of all, Jung Gwo does not mean Han Chinese, it means Middle Kingdom.
Second of all, what you said about China being anti-democracy is opposite to what I just learned in my globalization class on China 30 minutes ago on the future direction of China's democracy.
I read 120 pages on China's future democracy chart - China's interpretation of democracy is different from multi-party election system. Xiamen, Fujian is piloting a democracy scheme where provincial leaders are elected directly, but the catch is that all candidates are members of the Communist party. Political experiments are happening in Shenzhen. So in the end, China's democracy will not be Western style of democracy, and democracy in China is meaningless without context.
OK, whoever taught you this racist nonsense didn't have the slightest clue about China. As the poster above me already pointed out, there's no such thing as "the Jung Gwo" - that term, by which I guess you mean "zhongguo", refers to a territory and a nation, not a people.
Then there's the complete lack of knowledge about Chinese history. For you, the Communist state and government, which have only been around for a little more than sixty years, seem to be the essence of China's very, very long history, and representative for the will of its people. How is a ruling elite trying to legitimating itself through various 19th century political ideologies (all of which have Western roots and no precursors in Chinese philosophy) something specifically Chinese, and how can you claim that the Chinese people have no interest in democracy, when the state repeatedly had to resort to extreme measures to silence their voices? How are the actions of China's government rooted in a supposedly uniform political will of the Chinese people in general, when they have little chance to influence it? And when, exactly, did the Chinese make a grab for global, or even just regional, dominance? This whole blather about the supposed properties of "the Jung Gwo" is just utterly racist and completely uninformed. China is a very interesting country, and its actions are becoming ever more important in shaping the 21st century. It's well worth the effort to educate yourself about it instead of typing up lengthy screeds like the one above.
Wait a minute here, thanks.
In most transliterations the term 'Jung Gwo' refers to a place.
Interpreted, the term Jung Gwo most consistently refers to the "central country."
However, the term Jung Gwo also is interpreted to mean the "central states."
The singular 'central country' is a more modern use.
The more modern use is contrasted to the "central states" interpretation which references the center/periphery model of the more distant past characterized by domineering warlords. That is, some warlords were considered more geographically peripheral to other warlords located at a geographic 'center' of China.
We are correct that the term Jung Gwo does not mean "Han Chinese." However, over the past 2000 years the term Jung Gwo (the place) and the Han Chinese (a people) have increasingly become intertwined. If my liberal use of the term Jung Gwo offends, at least we can be clear about understanding my sometimes application of the term.
As to democracy in China, yes, there are small scale and tepid experimentations occurring in the places you name and if someday democracy does break out in China, a Chinese democracy would of course be a very different democracy from any we have seen anywhere at any time in history. That is, if in the West we would say democracy is a horse, in China they would say democracy is a camel. (Dragons are of course figures of fiction.)
During my recent time in the PRC I met and taught university students in some of the cities you name as centers of some tentative democratic experimentation. Some of the students (and graduates) are optimistic that China can begin have a gradual democracy in about 25 years. Others want nothing to do with democracy and instead see democracy in the PRC as the defeat of China by the United States, a truly nasty development which to their collective mind would need to be precluded by a 'clean' high tech war conducted in space. Other students/graduates are certain that a violent Second Revolution would be required to dislodge the Communist Party from its tight and unrelenting grasp on power (and money) in Beijing.
Now that I'm safely ensconced back in the US of A, I can say that I skeptically encouraged the first grouping, know the second grouping are seriously mad and madly serious, and I continue to fear that the third grouping is the most realistic and the most clearly analytical.
Is it just me, or is Stephen Walt more than usually obtuse here?
If a power were acting in ways objectionable to every other nation in the area, by what realist reasoning would one not use the argument against that power's conduct, that said conduct breached its obligations to the international community?
It could certainly be claimed, for example by apologists for the Chinese Communist Party, that the argument was made by people with unclean hands, but why is that the point? If the Chinese are pursuing their interests, surely we should be pursuing ours. In this case our interests seem clearly to lie in organizing other governments on our side in opposition to unconstructive Chinese actions.
What Guantanamo has to do with all this I have no idea. The United States had to hold several dozen Uighurs in Cuba for years because no other country wanted them and we were afraid they'd all be murdered if we sent them to China; Chinese can get worse treatment from their own government than anything done in Guantanamo if they hold up a Falun Gong placard in a public place. So it's not clear to me how the facility in Cuba ought to figure in an American response to Chinese trade practices.
Google : Chinese fleet disposal 15th century / internet censorship / analogy
Results (amongst the many) :
'You can see the consequences at work in today's Guardian, the beautiful reproduction of Jesuit Matteo Ricci's (1552-1610) map of the known world in 1602, newly on display at the Library of Congress. It's a pretty accurate map by the standards of the time – all the bits in the right place, China and the Americas included.
Who was it made for? The Ming emperor Wanli. But the cartographer was a foreigner, an Italian who arrived as a missionary in 1583, having first learned Mandarin.
Ricci later moved to Beijing, bringing a chiming clock to the court where he did not meet the emperor in person but was allowed inside the Forbidden City – where he taught officials western ways, including music – and adopted Chinese garb. Buried there, he remains a respected figure.
Western music, which the Chinese do rather well, and Ricci's missionary Catholicism (banned in 1724) reverberate through China to this day. Crucial decisions can impact for centuries, can't they?
So it's worth repeating that Gutenberg's invention of the printing press in the 1450s – the internet is arguably the most important communications tool since then – spread like wildfire throughout Europe, contributing to its later global dominance. The mighty Ottoman empire banned it throughout its Muslim domain in the Middle East – and has been struggling to catch up ever since.
Chinese history records the first book-burning as early as 221 BC. But all societies have censorship issues, including our own right up to today. Gutenberg's Europe struggled with censorship for centuries – much of its against the baleful influence of the Catholic church, not to mention totalitarian secular regimes.
Diversity and competition always helps. We don't have to believe today's Guardian; we can read the Times or Daily Mail to cross-check it. Let's hope the Chinese think about it and try harder to go with the great flow of global information.'
China and Google: Inability to deal with new technology helped hobble USSR
China has always been more interesting, more subtle. [But continental isolationism has consequences.] by Michael White
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/jan/13/china-google-information-technology-michael-white
Sorry Stephen, but you seem to me to be, one of the people that Yuri Bezmenov, is talking about . . . to compare drones, or Guantanamo, to what is going on (and has been going on for 60 odd years) in China, beggars belief :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ2fMeer5Mw
As Tim Berners-Lee wrote :
'You affect the world by what you browse.'
All the China bashers who deny the possibility that China is on its way of gradual improvement reflect our own deep fear: what if China in one day is truly democratic and still not our "friend"? What if we are not superpower anymore?
On the rare-earth event, see
http://oilandglory.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/10/21/is_chinas_rare_earth_power_play_really_such_a_big_deal
for a much balanced report.
Multipolarism in the global economy
"Similarly, the US played the leading role in devising the Bretton Woods economic system after World War II, but it abandoned the gold standard in 1971 when this arrangement was no longer convenient for us. . . The real lesson of the trawler/rare earth incident is that great powers can ignore the rules when they think they have to, and they can often get away with it."
The apocalypse in 1971; lessons here for ending the global currency wars, but there is still no sign of an official inquiry. Equally unlikely is a final verdict on the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan which will determine the future of NATO, let alone the United Nations - the appeal from US and EU intelligence services for closure is unlikely to be satisfied. See comments in the forum: "Is NATO relevant".
Hypocrisy, Power, and Responsibility
This short examination of international power politics is quite persuasive; except for the conclusion that, as you put it “The bottom line is that it's neither illuminating nor helpful to hold China to a standard of "responsible" behavior that we fall short of ourselves.” On this point I must disagree. It is both illuminating and helpful to examine the records of, and hold, China, the US, and all countries to a common set of standards—standards of justice. It is no doubt essential to recognize that real world politicians act on “supremely self-interested” motives, sometimes foolishly, and other times with a good deal of foresight and that “great powers can ignore the rules when they think they have to, and…often get away with it.” However, this does not mean that higher moral standards do not exist or are irrelevant. Politicians may be hypocritical—making use of standards when such standards suit them and manipulating or ignoring them when they don’t—but the standards exist for a reason. Indeed, although there may be no strong international legal responsibilities that countries must abide by, and although politicians’ primary responsibility is to their people, this does not negate the fact that there ought to be such standards set to protect the common interests of all humanity.
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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