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I never cease to be amazed at how virtually any criticism of Israel can cause Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic to go bananas and make all sorts of wild charges. This tendency is especially evident when someone writes about the Israel lobby. It is usually best to ignore him, because he seems incapable of getting the simplest facts right. But occasionally I feel the need to set the record straight.

Goldberg's forte is character assassination, and his main weapons are name-calling and misrepresenting his opponents' arguments. Instead of calling me a "Jew-baiter" (a despicable accusation for which he has no grounds), as he has in the past, his latest sally calls me a "neo-Lindberghian," again implying that I am an anti-Semite. This is a serious charge -- the political equivalent of calling someone a racist or child molester -- and you'd think a respectable journalist would go to some effort to document the label before using it. You'd think he'd supply a lengthy array of quotations from my writings and speeches to prove his point. Goldberg cannot do this, however, because no such evidence exists.

Goldberg doesn't know me; doesn't know my history, relatives, friends, students, and close associates, and has no idea what I really think about any of these questions. Judging by what he writes about my work, he doesn't even know what I've written. For example, he claims that the book that John Mearsheimer and I wrote on the Israel lobby describes a "nefarious, all-powerful Jewish lobby." and that we "love to capitalize the word 'Lobby.'" Both statements are demonstrably false, as he would know if he had bothered to examine the issue.

We portray the lobby as a legitimate interest group like many others and emphasize that its activities are a normal part of democratic politics in America (pp. 13-14, 112, 150). We explicitly reject the term "Jewish lobby" (p. 115) and we don't capitalize the word lobby anywhere in the 484-page book. Indeed, the only place we ever capitalized that word was in our original London Review article; but we openly acknowledged in our subsequent response to critics that this usage was misleading and have not done so in any of our subsequent writings.

Journalists are supposed to be concerned with truth and accuracy. But Goldberg is clearly incapable of being objective or open-minded when the subject is Israel, which is why he quickly descends to innuendo and fabrication when dealing with anyone who criticizes that country's policies, questions America's special relationship with the Jewish state, or raises doubts the activities of the Israel lobby. He invents false charges for a simple reason: It would be impossible to smear us if he had to rely on what we actually said. So he has to make things up.

Goldberg is also wrong when he says the latest WikiLeaks revelations discredit our arguments about the lobby's role in encouraging a war with Iran. We argued that if the United States were foolish enough to start a war against Iran, it would be largely due to the influence of Israel and especially the lobby. Both Israel and its hardline supporters here in the United States have been relentless in their efforts to push the United States to confront Iran, and to keep the military option at the ready. There is nothing in WikiLeaks that changes that assessment. Yes, there has also been pressure from some Arab leaders, such as the king of Saudi Arabia, to use force against Iran. There are also prominent voices in the Arab world warning that this step would be disastrous. But the key point is that these Arab leaders have much less influence on the United States than Israel does.

First, Arab leaders cannot make the case for war in public, because their publics oppose this course of action. Israel, on the other hand, is constantly making the case for war directly and overtly. Second, Israel has a powerful lobby in the United States that has been working overtime to push the United States to strike Iran. Saudi Arabia and the other Arab states have no meaningful lobby in Washington, which is why their repeated requests that the United States do something to end Israel's illegal occupation and harsh treatment of the Palestinians have fallen on deaf ears for decades.

It is Israel and the lobby, not the Arabs, that are shaping the discourse on Iran, and it is disingenuous for Goldberg to suggest otherwise. Does he not know about the origins of "dual containment," as recounted in recent books by Kenneth Pollack and Trita Parsi? Is he unaware of AIPAC's successful effort to kill the CONOCO oil deal with Iran in 1995, or the lobby's role in pushing the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act in 1996, not to mention the 2010 version of unilateral U.S. sanctions? Has he forgotten his own recent writings, which warned that top Israeli leaders were contemplating war with Iran in early 2011?

Bear in mind that we still do not know if Iran is actively seeking an overt nuclear weapons capability or not. The December 2007 National Intelligence Estimate on Iran, which has not been superseded by a new estimate, said that Tehran was not trying to build nuclear weapons. And the evidence we have in the public record about Iran's nuclear program does not show in any conclusive way that Iran is developing a nuclear arsenal. One can hardly rule out the possibility, of course, but neither should we simply assume that Tehran is hell-bent on building an actual weapon. It is even possible that these Arab leaders are so concerned that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons in part because they have been influenced by the efforts of Israel and the lobby to hype the Iran threat, just as they hyped the WMD threat from Iraq in the earlier part of this decade.

Perhaps I take Goldberg too seriously, and I should just ignore his regrettable tendency to distort the views of those with whom he disagrees. If Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly get to spout dangerous nonsense, why can't Goldberg? Yet it is important to point out what he is doing, because he is a textbook case of the lengths to which many defenders of Israel will go in order to convince Americans that they must support it no matter what. Like the Cuban-American lobby, the gun lobby, and other narrow interest groups, the Likudnik wing of the Israel lobby isn't really interested in truth or even a fair-minded discussion of the issues. They just smear their targets with made-up accusations, knowing that if you throw enough mud, some of it is bound to stick.

I suspect that what really ticks Goldberg off is this: My co-author and I (and a few others) have had the temerity to write critically about the political role of "pro-Israel" forces (both Jewish and non-Jewish) in America today. This is a topic that the goyim aren't supposed to talk about openly. It's fine for Goldberg to write at length about this topic, or for former Forward editor J. J. Goldberg, to devote an entire book (which is well worth reading) to it. But when a non-Jew writes about this issue, and suggests that these groups are advocating foolish and self-defeating policies, then that person must of course be an anti-Semite. If Jews express similar doubts, they must be labeled as "self-hating" and marginalized as well.

Please. I really do understand this sort of tribalism and up to a point, I'm sympathetic to it. Given Jewish history -- and especially the dark legacy of genuine anti-Semitism -- it is unsurprising that some people are quick to assume that any gentile who criticizes the present "special relationship" must have sinister motives, even when there's no actual basis for the suspicion. But that sensitivity doesn't make the elephant in the room disappear, and given that America's Middle East policy affects all of us, the various factors that shape that policy ought to open to fair-minded discussion devoid of name-calling and character assassination.

So yes, Jeffrey, there is a powerful "Israel lobby" (though it's not "all-powerful"). Yes, many individuals in the lobby think the United States should do whatever it takes--including the use of military force -- to eliminate Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities. They aren't the only people who think this, but they have been among the loudest and most persistent voices advocating this course of action. And yes, like most (all?) lobbies, some of the policies that it promotes are not in the best interests of the country as a whole. These facts are so obvious and so easy to document that it's no wonder that a zealot like Goldberg prefers to throw mud whenever somebody points them out.

 
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DRLAKE777

4:12 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Cry havoc, and let loose the

Cry havoc, and let loose the dogs of war! Here we go with another 100+ responses motivated by Israeli apologists throwing more mud to obscure the influence of the Israel lobby, and critics fighting back.

 

MAX SITTING

4:21 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Oh no, Goldberg again!

I feel like I've been reading this article since spring of 2007.

 

JACOB BLUES

9:50 PM ET

December 6, 2010

Bananas Bananas Bananas . . . Steve Walt tries to go Woody

Allen that is, on his readership.
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Poor Steve, able to dish out a heaping plate of hatred, but cannot stomach the same commentary when it's served up his way.
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"BEWARE THE JEWS" the Professor likes to scream. Along with his side-kick Prof Mearsheimer.
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"THE LOBBY" Steve proclaims, is out to get those good "non-Semitic" Americans, who just happen to either be hood-winked or arm-twisted by those "ZIONISTS", (not Jews apparently, some of whom may even be his BFF's).
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But as Professor Walt intones, "THE LOBBY" (ie. for those who may not be fully aware, is the "ZIONIST" pro-Israel lobby, apparently which appears to be chock full of Jews, who Steve is happy to mention by name, repeatedly, aggressively, and with heaping doses of vitriol).
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But when it comes time to face the mirror, Prof Walt, is quick on the draw to cover up, close down, and shut up, any dissenting voices . . . case in point, my own, which he apparently deems to subversive to even keep up as a talkback.
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Because after all, we just "don't know Prof Walt".
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Which of course is wholly unnecessary. We have his (and Prof Mearsheimer's) own words to learn that. And what we have learned from those evil claims is that Professors Walt and Mearsheimer's are Jew haters of the first order.
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But, as the futurists like to say, "this time is different". Jews are not going to wait to get led to the ovens or paraded at gunpoint by a bunch of hate mongers. And that means calling out the bigots for what they really are.
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Walt likes to present some tough-guy heroic image of him as the US saving realist. Truth is, he runs scared from counter-arguments, and cannot stomach those who provide the harsh but serious critique of his work.

 

NEOLEFT

1:08 AM ET

December 7, 2010

Where would Jacob be without his ad hominems?

"BEWARE THE JEWS" the Professor likes to scream. Along with his side-kick Prof Mearsheimer."

I would appreciate you linking to any quote from Walt or Mearsheimer to that effect Jacob. Either deliver this quote or admit you are a liar
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"Because after all, we just "don't know Prof Walt"."

Nor evidently, have you read his book.
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"Which of course is wholly unnecessary. We have his (and Prof Mearsheimer's) own words to learn that. "

In which case, I look forward to you providing quotes to support your allegations against him and Prof Mearsheimer in your next post.
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"Truth is, he runs scared from counter-arguments, and cannot stomach those who provide the harsh but serious critique of his work."

How is rebutting the "counter-arguments" the same as running scared from them? You Zionist hacks can't even keep it together. You call him a coward for not refuting those who disagree with him, but when he does, you criticize him for not being able to take criticism.

Orwell was an amateur compared to you Hasbarats.

 

O-DOG

11:11 AM ET

December 7, 2010

One of the silliest posts I've ever read

I presume you've never actually followed the Israel Lobby debate itself. I also presume you are not one of these people that the lobby has been recruiting to defend Israel on web forums, since you contribute little of positive value to Israel's case. Rather you come across as a shrill hysteric, possibily of pre-pubic age. You accuse Walt of 'running scared from counter-arguements'. Perhaps you've failed to follow the link the 4th paragraph which directs readers to responses from critics.

 

HEMLOCKROID

9:37 PM ET

December 7, 2010

are not going to wait to get led to the ovens or paraded at ..."

are not going to wait to get led to the ovens or paraded at ..."

That's right. Instead >a democratic Israel will vote you out. And then you can hit the road and get on with your life, Hibri. Follow back the bread crumbs.

 

JACOB BLUES

2:32 PM ET

December 9, 2010

To Neoleft, a toast...

To quote "The explanation lies in the unmatched power of the Israel Lobby. Were it not for the Lobby's ability to manipulate the American political system, the relationship between Israel and the United States would be far less intimate than it is today."
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To quote again "The core of the Lobby is comprised of American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests. Their activities go beyond merely voting for candidates who are pro-Israel..."
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Quotes taken from "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
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John J. Mearsheimer; Stephen M. Walt.
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March 2006
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page: 13

 

JACOB BLUES

2:44 PM ET

December 9, 2010

To further quote

"Jewish-Americans have formed an impressive array of organizations to influence American foreign policy, of which AIPAC is the most powerful and well-known."
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ibid, page 14

 

NEOLEFT

10:50 PM ET

December 9, 2010

if you;re going to use quotes, make sure they suport your

argument Jacob.

First quote: "The explanation lies in the unmatched power of the Israel Lobby. Were it not for the Lobby's ability to manipulate the American political system, the relationship between Israel and the United States would be far less intimate than it is today."

Absolutely true. Israel is a liability, financially, strategically, diplomatically and politically. Were it not for the lobby, the US would have cut the umbilical cord decades ago. One need only consider statements from prominent Americans, such as Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, who said:

"I've never seen a President – I don't care who he is – stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."

Second quote: "The core of the Lobby is comprised of American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests. Their activities go beyond merely voting for candidates who are pro-Israel..."

Absolutely true. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles agrees even in 1957.

"I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews….. terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen …. I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country"
[Secretary of State John Foster Dulles in February, 1957 quoted on p.99 of "Fallen Pillars" by Donald Neff]

"Quotes taken from "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"

All of which are entirely supported by the facts.

Third quote: "Jewish-Americans have formed an impressive array of organizations to influence American foreign policy, of which AIPAC is the most powerful and well-known."
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And your argument with this point? Allan Dershowitz boasted about this himself.

 

ANTIMKO

5:05 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Goldberg the former IDF prison guard

What else do you expect from him? You are being too kind Prof. Walt.

 

NUTUPORSHUTUP

5:23 PM ET

December 3, 2010

So, I read Goldberg's 3 paragraphs...

Where exactly did he call you an anti-semite? I'd say you're both pretty much "making up stuff now". Its a god damn cat fight. Although if i'd have to pick, i'd say at least Goldberg's article was a bit more articulate than yours - although that's not saying much. Lets just say at least I only had to suffer through 3 paragraphs with his article, as opposed to your wall of empty text.

 

AVILLA

10:36 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Here

Goldberg called Walt "neo-Lindberghian". Charles Lindbergh was a notorious anti-Semite/white power supporter/eugenicist.

Personally, Walt, I hope you will take into consideration that Goldberg is roundly considered a moron who wants nothing more than to see America wipe out the Muslim world, and even some neocons think he goes too far. His criticisms of you are unworthy of your (or anyone else's) thoughts.

 

VANBIDED

11:45 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Just as you can say someone's

Just as you can say someone's written several books and thereby call him an author, when you say someone has unleashed anti-Semitic invective, you've called him an anti-Semite.

 

NEOLEFT

1:04 AM ET

December 4, 2010

You might have read Goldberg's 3 paragraphs...

But did you read Walt's artilce? He doesn't staet that Golberg called him an abnti Semtie but implied it.

 

KMANSFIELD

2:06 AM ET

December 4, 2010

History is not simple or black and white.

@Avilla, although I agree with some of your points, your portrayal of Lindberg is not correct.

He was a an anti-war activist, He didn't want America getting involved in Europe's wars, and he was a co-founder with Joseph Kennedy of the America First organization.
He refused to return a german cross medal that was given during peace time, but joined the war effort after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
This certainly didn't help the cause for peace, but it did inflame Hilter and even endangered vulnerable jews and they hold it against the zionsists even today:
The Daily Express of London of March 24, 1933 headline read "Judea Declares War on Germany"
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
Kennedy may have been aware of the Hertzl's promise to bring America into the war against Germany in return for the promise of a home for the zionist jews in the Palistine Mandate (which was also promised to palestinians to get them to fight against the ottomans)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh
Anti-semitism charge has been used as a tooll by zionists and Israeli supporters by someone they hate or gets in the way of their goals.

Ironically, Goldberg the zionist is "jew-baiting" Walt with his "with us or against us" rhetoric.

 

NONJEW

6:37 PM ET

December 5, 2010

FP more liberal bias!

My first read of Walt /FP and a bunch of crap, with no need to read Goldberg! Typical deligitimization of Israel promoted by Liberals and Euro-peons with little basis! Equating antisemite s with child molesters says enough! "We don't know Iran building bombs " is typical "show me" as facts are clear to everyone except Walt and FP. Walt says enough to sell his bankrupt books and ridiculous argument /attacks. I bet FP is funded by Soros a clear antisemite as is Obummer. Typical bubble REALITIES liberals live in against all facts to cause WWIII Jews are finally realizing Liberals like Walt, are no friends to Jews only causing war with constant shame /blame appeasement artists causing WWIII by blaming Jews and Americans! Last read for me as nothing but garbage as comments show! Liberal crap like this should terminate Steve with extreme prejudiced! FP on par and look up Fensterer of ACLU as clear and present danger to the world saying he alone is decider of facts he refuses to hear! Yes u liberals are a dying bunch trying to push antiamerican ideas despite world facts! Liberals are cowards that blow with ridiculous, idealistic ideas always superficial and NOT based on reality even after Wikileaks facts of Iran! Every Democratic POTUS a Loser in war and foreign policy! Blame Bush, Cheny, Rove, Jews, America but never take ANY responsibility for torture Pelosi and gang approved Only to use infinitives like "the CIA lies to Congress ALL the time". Disgusting author people should not waste time or $ on.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

6:37 PM ET

December 3, 2010

How to wreck one's political cause

Professor Walt,

It's exhausting and depressing to have to respond to these kinds of vile charges, but it must be done, and you did it superbly.

I've come to the conclusion that attacks by pro-Israel activists like Jeffrey Goldberg on their endless list of targets and enemies have done more to undermine Israel's good relations with the rest of the world than any other factor. And I also think that the enormous damage caused by these wild and vicious verbal attacks is now irreparable. Most pro-Israel activists (and militants especially) have no sense whatever of the consequences of their words. They have substantially ruined their cause.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

6:44 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Robert B. Parker musings

Professor Walt,

By the way, I really miss Robert B. Parker's presence on the American scene (I recall that you are a Parker fan). What an extraordinarily different personality was Parker compared to Jeffrey Goldberg. I don't recall him ever unloading a pile of verbal abuse on anyone over his ethnic, religious or foreign nationalist issues. Smart people simply don't do this, not ever.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

6:50 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Jeffrey Goldberg pegs the ethnocentrism meter

The ethnocentrism index: the percentage of one's communications that mentions one's ethnic identity, issues, problems, conflicts or enemies.

The ethnic xenophobia index: the percentage of one's communications that mentions one's ethnic enemies.

Jeffrey Goldberg really stands out in contemporary American culture on these matters. One gets the impression that he is largely unconscious of his behavior.

 

MAKESSENSE

7:12 PM ET

December 3, 2010

MakesSense

In terms of the wiki leaks material, what is interesting is that so much of the content seems to cover such a tiny part of the world - south west Asia - U.S. focus for the future you would have thought would be on much more relevant places - Latin America, east- central-south Asia, Pacific Rim, eastern Europe, Africa, EU.

Would make more sense, I think for the U.S. to be not very engaged at all in south west Asia and to let the three regional authorities there (Israel, Turkey and the Persians) sort it out between themselves.

Those three are in a contest for regional leadership and doesn't much matter which one is ahead or behind at any point of time in that three-way regional contest: the oil and natural gas will continue to flow to global markets regardless.

Keep up the analysis on what is in the United States' long-term economic, cultural and political interests - don't be side-tracked into responding to trumped up charges against your character!

 

THEANTICLAUS

7:18 PM ET

December 3, 2010

THE WIKILEAKS VINDICATE ISRAEL'S PERSPECTIVE

So far, every Wikileak document pretaining to Israel supports its geopolitical outlook and position. They also add credibility to Israel's accusations and claims surrounding Iranian and Arab intentions. Finally, they point to deceit on the part of the Europeans who privately convey, via cable traffic, that Israel is correct in its assessments while publicly condemning Israel for protecting itself. Examples are plentiful, but here are several that are emblematic: US sources in Iran confirmed that Iranian government elements directly supported terrorist activities against the US, Israel and other allies. The IRGC used the cover of the Iranian Red Crescent to supply weapons to both Hizb Allah and HAMAS. They also directly trained Hizb Allah in the "art" of terror. The Iranians also directly participated on terror attacks on US and Allies' troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan, in addition to training anti-colatition forces in those two countries. Finally, the candid assessments from Arab states in the region of the nefarious intentions of Iran coincide with those of Israel, and they are far more hawkish in how they pressure the US to attack Iran now to stop its nuclear ambitions. Qatar, Egypt, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia all lobby the US to take drastic military action sooner rather than later, while publicly claiming Israel is the real nuclear threat to the region. How typically duplicitous of these authoritarian Arab regimes. I wonder when we can expect from Mssrs. Walt and Mersheimer their new blockbuster bestseller--"The ARAB Lobby?" I won't hold my breath!

I must also disagree with Walt's contention that the "Arabs have no meaningful lobby in Washinton." That assertion defies belief and demonstrates a certain cognitive bias on his part as this is utterly false. Millions of dollars pour into such lobbies as the Petroleum Institute to pass legislation and affect US policy vis a vis the Middle East. In addition, the very, very influential Carlysle Group is populated by folks from Bechtel and other multinational corporations who rely upon the largesse of the oil-producing Persian Gulf for their very survival. And this group quietly and persuasively influences the greatest halls of power in this country, although msot readers have probably not heard of them. As to pro Walt's contention that if the Arab Lobby was so powerful they would have managed to influence the US to help solve the Palestinian problem, he should go ahead and perform a key assumptions check on himself--who said the Arabs want to solve the Palestinian refugee problem, which is of their own cration? An alternate hypothesis is that they wish those folks to continue to suffer, to keep it an open sore that will prevent any meaningful peace with Israel, thus keeping Israel the convenient regional scapegoat.

No, I must conclude that it is Walt is is reflecting a kind of tribalism against "the other." For his fascination with Israel, demonstrated by the fact that about a third of all his blogs are on this subject, is likely influenced by some animus against this particular state, and maybe this particular people.

 

NEOLEFT

8:30 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Actually it doesn't THEANTICLAUS

"They also add credibility to Israel's accusations and claims surrounding Iranian and Arab intentions."

The clables are not proof of anything other than the fact someone wrote them. They are not intelligence or credible per se, because they are the opininions of individuals in the US diplamtic ranks reporting 2nd and 3rd hand accounts.

Already the Washington Post has reported that the cables asccusing North Korea of supplying missiles to Iran are bogus.

Some of the cables actually ridicule Israel's hysteria over Iran's non existent nuclear weapons program.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8167300/Wikileaks-Irans-nuclear-technology-not-as-advanced-as-some-believe.html

Some of the cables warn that Israel is not to be trusted on Iran.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/12/02/wikileaks_israel_on_iran

And last but not least, Zbigniew Brzezinski and other former diplomats suspect that many of the cables were planted by foreing intelligence agencies (ie. Israel).

 

CURT SAMPSON

6:28 AM ET

December 4, 2010

"Bogus" Cables

"Already the Washington Post has reported that the cables asccusing North Korea of supplying missiles to Iran are bogus."

No, it was the NY Times story that was bogus. The cable itself (at least the one that I read), was merely a summary of a discussion between U.S. and Russian officials and was pretty clear, in fact. The US claimed that Korea had sold 19 of a certain type of missile to Iraq, which potentially gave Iraq the ability to attack Europe, Russia said that they could find no evidence that these missiles even existed, and if they did, they'd certainly never been tested, the US appeared to agree that they'd never been tested, but pointed to a picture to show they existed, Russia said, "that ain't that missile you're talking about (and we should know, it's our design)," the US said they'd try to come back later with other evidence.

But heck, read the cable itself if you can find an unredacted copy now. (10STATE17263 looks as if it was the one, but the copy at http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.html appears to have lost all but a paragraph or so of its body--when I read it on the original wikileaks.org site it was several dozen paragraphs long.)

I am, frankly, entirely shocked that the NY Times made such a hash of the story. I wonder if they were working from a different (and perhaps also redacted) copy of the cable. But this is the importance of having source material available; second-hand descriptions will, through error or design, sometimes end up with a pretty bad slant.

 

NEOLEFT

7:08 AM ET

December 4, 2010

You're right re "Bogus" Cables

I agree entirely with your summary.

It's even been suggested that the missiles in the photo were simply mock ups.

I'm not at all shocked that the NY Times made such a hash of the story. It's what we've come to expect from the usual anti Iran hype we've seen from Broad and Sanger. They''ve done nothign but lie about Ira'n's non existent nuclear weapons program for 2 or 3 years.

 

SABABA03

7:22 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Prof. Walts Obsession with Israel

Prof. Walt.
Here we go again. You (and Prof. Merisheimer) are preaching us your unique brand of justice, right & wrongs. It is the “Israeli” (vis-a-vis “Jewish”, or for heaven sake “Zionists”) Lobby.

For more then 1900 years Jews were persecuted, demeaned, accused of acts (Murdering Jesus) to which they did not commit. Hated, and called upon be murdered on institutional level. Result of which, it culminated with the Holocaust just 65 years ago.

Now, Jews are determined to prevent yet another Holocaust to ever occur – onto themselves, and to other religious minorities. They are using the most civilized tools to do just that. a) Educated the rest of the world, particularly the young, teach future generations the horrors of blind hatred perpetrated by one group against another human beings. b) point out to the world communities at large, and the Americans that, the conflict between Israeli-Arabs is just a manifestation of much larger conflict between Jews & Muslims going back to Mohammad himself.

This conflict is not about piece of land. Rather it is about state of mind. You seem to conveniently be oblivious to these facts.

From your own writings, it is clear. You are obsessed with Israel, and it friends here in US. Why?

It is funny, just around the same period, when Israel was formed on Jewish identity and sovereignty, half a world away, another state was carved out a much larger country, and declared its sovereignty on the same premise as Israel was founded – religious sovereignty of Islam.

Right after its formation, it did go to war with its neighboring state. It also resulted with refugees (16M) being tossed out the border onto the other side. Withing few years, ALL the refugees were absorbed by their new host countries. Why this model has not been implemented in the subject area in ME.?.

By now, I am sure you know, I was talking about Pakistan vs. Israel. The Kashmir conflict notwithstanding, where are the refugee camps on the borders of India and Pakistan, used for political purpose. You tell me professor?

Ever wondered? Why the Pals are still kept in concentration camps throughout the Arab countries – deprived of their basic human right to integrate into their new host countries, with whom they share everything. Religion, language, history, heritage, social and ethnic customs, etc. Instead, they wish to force them onto a country (Israel) which they share none of these essential attributes which create successful states

On another issue. Jews have lived in that region for almost 4500 years, Preceding Christians and Muslims..
As late as 1910, there were no states in the Middle East with recognized borders as we know them today. No, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, nor Israel. These states were formed on more less ethnic-religious groups. All were Arab-Islamic, and one Jew. Why is it Arab or Muslims are obsessed with the creation of Israel, and not the with others. The only reason - RELIGION,

 

NEOLEFT

11:15 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Of coursae it's about land SABABA03

Your congnitive dissionance is a sight to behold.

There were no recognized borders in North America when the settlers landed, yet the native population resisted occupation and land theft. Was that about religion?

Honestly, you Hasbarats need to sort out your talking points. The world was sold on the idea of the state of Israel with the marketing slogan, "a LAND without a peopel for people without a LAND". There was juts one hitch - it was a lie. As the 1897, Zionist delegation to Palestine eported (in a cable):

"The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man." (Iron Wall, p. 3)

I guess it's fitting therefore that like the mythical King David, the Zionist project set about taking someone else's wife regardless. Your remedy for this is that the Palestinians shoudl be absorbed into the Arab world - take a bow Helen Thomas.

The Palestinians had no part to play in the 1900 years or persecution or the Holocaust, yet were made to pay for it.

if the conflict was not about ladn, then Israel wuold not have stolen more than half of what was given to the Palestinians under teh partition plan (the borders of which Ben Gurion steted from the outset that they would not respect). The wars of 1948 and 1967 were wars fo conquest to take land thatdid not belong to Israel. If land was not an issue for them, then why are they holding on to the occupied territories and settling them, in violation of the 4th Geneva Conventions and countless UN resolutions - so much for educating the rest of the world.

It's also amusing to hear an Israeli shill making a desperate attempt to preach about the human rights of refugees that Israel itself created when it carried out the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, as per a 50 year plan to create a Jewish majority in territory where Jews were a minority.

It's also false that Jews have lived in that region for almost 4500 Judaism itself is no more than 4000 years old. Even if you believe that Biblical account (a fairytale) the Jewish people originated from Abraham who originated in Mesopotamia, not Israel. While entirely irrelevant and unsuported by history, this too is meaningless. Jerusalem wasn''t even built by the Jews, but by the Hittites and Canaanites.

Getting back to planet Earth, Robert Pape produced a DOD funded study that concluded that in 90-95% of cases of suicide attack, the cause is territorial disputess and foreign occupation, not religion. Before the Zionist project was under way, Jews and Palestinians coexisted peafully in Palestine. Indeed, all inhabitants fo Palestine were known as Palestinians and carried Palestinian passports.

So that completely debunks your thesis that the only reason for the confolict is relgion. Cleary it's not.

 

KMANSFIELD

2:59 AM ET

December 4, 2010

Edumacations

@SABABA03, do you mind telling us where you were educated?
Your biblical/torah and historical understanding is one I have never heard before.
I'd really like to know and I'm not being facetious.

Thanks in advance.

 

SABABA03

9:02 PM ET

December 4, 2010

Interesting

Don't you love it when non-Jews (particularly those Johnny-come-lately Islamist) lecture and define for you who you are.

 

SABABA03

9:30 PM ET

December 4, 2010

Read the orignal Bible

KMANSFIELD:
Had you read the old-testament in its original Hebrew language as I did, you would not be asking the type of nonsense to which you are asking.

Jews long history and continued presence in the present day state of Israel, is literary carved in every stone in Jerusalem and it surrounding.

When you and other anti-Israelis will show the world, 2000 year old manuscripts (Dead Sea Scrolls) written in Arabic, instead of the Hebrew language used by Israelis today, then perhaps we will have something to talk about.

The bottom line is. When Islamists thugs deny Jews and their long history with basic respect. Recognize it as the mother of Christianity and the father of Islam. Then don't be surprised why Israelis treat the Pals as they do.

it does not mean to suggest that, Jews are superiors to others, only recognize its profound contributions in shaping the fundamentals of Christianity & Islam, starting with the 10 commandments.

If you are a Christian or a Muslim, you should understand that, denigrating Jews and Judaism, is denigrating your own religion.

 

KASSANDRA

11:14 AM ET

December 5, 2010

The Invention of the Jewish People

Don't get me started here. Israel's bogus history is well documented. For starters, try Shlomo Sand's "The Invention of the Jewish People." It was the camels that did them in (among other reasons). Jews make preposterous claims about their ancient land, but the Old Testament keeps talking about camels. Well, camels were not introduced into the Near East until quite late in the history of the area. Then read Nadia Abu al Haj about the Palestinian presence in the land and how Israel, in creating history, routinely destroys any other vestiges except the authorized jewish version. At one time the Jewish religion was a very prostelyzing one. Do you think the Ethiopian Jews originated in Palestine as a race or as a religion.

May I remind you of the Copenhagen School of archaeology. They decided to do archeology without the Old Testament as a guide. Guess what, it was discovered that Palestine was a conglomeration of cults. Jews were just one among many, they could hardly be distinquished from the rest, they were just another bunch of goatherders.

My religion is Lutheran. It has its roots in Germany. I don't have any desire to go to Germany and throw some Catholic out of their home. Frankly, it sounds ridiculous. But the exceptionalist Jews think they are justified by some invented version of their religion!

Israel is an invented country with an invented people, even speaking an invented language. As I read my Bible, Jesus lived in a country called Palestine and spoke Aramaic.

 

SABABA03

7:18 PM ET

December 5, 2010

Jews origin.

Lady Kassandra.

You brought up these names, to bolster your argument against the creation of Israel as homeland for Jewish people.

- Shlomo Sand: a) He is a professor of Classic French History. Not the Jewish history and haritage. b) He is a self proclaim atheist. They disparage any religious doctrine, not only Jewish. c) Flavius Josephus who's well documented book, "The Jewish War" (of 70-135 ACE) about Jews presence in ancient state of Israel. He also affirms this fact. d) The name "Jewish people" is also mentioned in the Roman History of 3rd century ACE, as well in the Islamic Quran of 7th century. d) There is ample evidences through DNA test to link the existence of Jews today to those going back 2000.years

"Palestinians": The name Palestine (Feliestin) was given by Rome to the entire region which included part of todays Syria, Lebanon, the whole of Israel.

Up to 1967, Those Arabs living in the West Bank & E. Jerusalem called themselves "Arab -Jordanians. And those in Gaza were Arab-Egyptians. (Remember, Yasser Arafat was an Egyptian). It was only after they came under Israeli rule, they called themselves "Palestinians". (And Sand's is the one who talks about "myth" of people.?)

 

NEOLEFT

9:14 PM ET

December 5, 2010

The Bible is a myth SABABA03

So any theory based on what is contained in the Bible is simply ludicrous.

the fact that Shlomo Sand is a self proclaim atheist actually styands him in good steed. Historians should be aetheists, not religions zealouts who begin with a predetermined conclusioin and showhorn their findings to find that conclusion.

Are you seriously going to cite a historian from the roman times to boster your case? No one disputes that there were Jews in Palestine at the time of the Romans. Indeed, Shmlo Zand's thesis is based on the Roman wars in Palestine and the question of how many Jews were vanquished at the time.

The argument about DNA and linsk between Jews of todayis also spurious. The Sephardim may well have linsk, but most Ashkenazim have no genetic linsk whastoever.

As for your argument about the existence of the Jewish Kingdom being under every rock, that is absurd. After a century fo archeologists going over the place with a fine toothed comb, they have turned up almost nothing. A few sharps fo potter and the odd bassalt tablet with oncinclusive escriptions is all they have. In fact, during a recent 60 minutes interview with a fundamentalist in the City of David development in East Jerusalem, the spokesman admitted they have found no evidence of David, Solomon or any Kingdom.

Yes, the name Palestine was attributed to the ancient Greeks, though it's origins can be traced by to the Egyptians. And contrary to your assertion, everyone in Palestine (Jordan ot teh sea) was referred to as a Palestinian in 1920. Jordan was a recent creation, so none called themselves "Arab -Jordanians".

 

SABABA03

12:43 AM ET

December 6, 2010

Any religious book can be based on "Myth".

Neoleft,

In the name of Allah, and almighty humus & Falafel. Spare me the selective reasoning, and the intellectual foot dancing.

It is well known fact that, the Old Testament is manifestation of oral history passed on from generation to generation. It is also a fact that, historically this Bible precedes the New Testament, and the Quran.

If the Old Testament is a "myth", then other two books (or any similar books) should also based on the same myth to which you are talking about.

Now, let go back to my original question, Why this Walt dude is so obsessed with Israel. Did he try in his youth, to date an Israeli woman (joking) and she turned him down. They turned me down too. So?

Or is it, the subject "Israel" provide him with most attention to which he craves so much?. I don't know hombre, you tell me.

 

SABABA03

12:58 AM ET

December 6, 2010

Speaking of Bizzars

Toivus
You wrote: "It is downright bizarre to use such feeble arguments to claim title to Palestinian land that has been occupied by those people for the last 2 thousand years."

It is however not bizarre when Jews all throughout their 1900 year in diaspora, they had never ever gave up their dream of some day to return to the land of their ancestors from which they had originated from, where they felt strong connection and belonging. For all those years, Jews living throughout the world were concluding their prayers with the pleas, facing Jerusalem,
(in Hebrew).
Be-shannah Haba'a be-yerushalime (Next year in Jerusalem). And.
eem esh-ka-heh Yerushalime, Esh-kah Yemini. (If I forget you Jerusalem, is as I have forgotten my right hand)

That dream was finally realized on the eve of 15 May 1948.

 

NEOLEFT

2:57 AM ET

December 6, 2010

Any religious book can be based on "Myth".

"It is well known fact that, the Old Testament is manifestation of oral history passed on from generation to generation."

It's not a fact at all. They are fables and stories passed on through generations, but there is nothing historical about them.

"If the Old Testament is a "myth", then other two books (or any similar books) should also based on the same myth to which you are talking about."

My point exactly. You're catching on SABABA03.

"Why this Walt dude is so obsessed with Israel."

As I explained to you already (you obviously weren't paying attention), our own government is obsessed with Israel and Israel holds pride of place in our foreign (and domestic) policy. As an authority on foreign policy, it's logical that Walt would invest his time on the topic of Israel.

"Or is it, the subject "Israel" provide him with most attention to which he craves so much?. I don't know hombre, you tell me"

Obviously a lot of people are very passionate about the subject, yourself included. What infuriates you and your tribe SABABA03, is that Walt and Meareshimer did the unthinkable and this topic out of the shadows (where you wanted it to remain) and into the light.

In spite of your protestations, the subject isn't going to go away. My advice to you would be to accept it and move on.

 

NEOLEFT

3:05 AM ET

December 6, 2010

Speaking of Bizzars

"It is however not bizarre when Jews all throughout their 1900 year in diaspora, they had never ever gave up their dream of some day to return to the land of their ancestors from which they had originated from, where they felt strong connection and belonging."

That's more myth I'm afraid SABABA03 ie. the connection to the land. The fires at Mt Carmel this week stand as a glaring example of how disconnected the immigrants are to the land. Had the Zionists any connection to the land, they would have cultivated native plants and trees - to cover up all the Palestinian villages they destroyed. Instead, the JNF chose to plant European pine trees to make the land resemble Europe, not Palestine. They even named the place “Little Switzerland”.

"The For all those years, Jews living throughout the world were concluding their prayers with the pleas, facing Jerusalem"

Except that the 3 oaths stipulated that Jews were not to return to migrate to Israel en masse.

In fact, Palestine was one of many options the Zionists were considering. Others included Africa and part of Australia.

That dream was finally realized on the eve of 15 May 1948.

 

INJUN_NC

4:51 PM ET

December 6, 2010

Very well said!

Good rebuttal NeoLeft! Appreciate the new information here (e.g., who built Jerusalem, etc.).

To paraphrase that famous Bolshevik Leon Trotsky: 'the arguments are about interests and not force of logic'. He was right. Unfortunately, none of what Prof. Walt (and others say) will ever move dyed in wool Zionists to see the obvious. Another unfortunate example of what dogma can do to otherwise rational people.

Regardless, keep it coming. Thanks!

 

SABABA03

5:46 PM ET

December 6, 2010

More bizzar comments from Neoleft.

NEOLEFT WRITES:
"Had the Zionists any connection to the land, they would have cultivated native plants and trees - to cover up all the Palestinian villages they destroyed. Instead, the JNF chose to plant European pine trees to make the land resemble Europe, not Palestine. They even named the place “Little Switzerland”.

On which planet do you live mister?. What makes you believe Israelis plant the type of trees to support a senseless political agenda (European trees vs. native one)?. How the h...l do you come up with these bizarre ideas. Israelis are leaders in the field of agricultural. Don't you think they know what plants and tree are best for a given area, better then someone (perhaps like you) who never set foot in their country.

"Except that the 3 oaths stipulated that Jews were not to return to migrate to Israel en masse."

Who told you this bedtime story?. Some Jewish cowboy-orthodoxs?. The same parasitic group which contributes nothing to society except read the same old testament over and over again. They are the one who perpetuate this nonsense. Fortunately no one, except the Akmed in Tehran, listen to them

Once they receives their independence and sovereignty, it was Israel absolute right, and theirs alone, to decide whom they will acccept into the country, and whom to reject.

 

NEOLEFT

8:39 PM ET

December 6, 2010

Not bizzar on thsi planet SABABA03

"What makes you believe Israelis plant the type of trees to support a senseless political agenda (European trees vs. native one)?"

You continue to astound me with your ingorance of the region. Have you any knowledge at all about Israel at it's foundings? The JNF deliberately planted these trees to make the region look more European. They made that objective perfectly clear.

"Israelis are leaders in the field of agricultural. Don't you think they know what plants and tree are best for a given area, better then someone (perhaps like you) who never set foot in their country."

Obvious, in spite of their expertise in agriculture, they got is miserably wrong on this occasion.

"Who told you this bedtime story?. Some Jewish cowboy-orthodoxs?. The same parasitic group which contributes nothing to society except read the same old testament over and over again."

Excuse me SABABA03, but you're th one who claims to have read the Old Testament over and over again, in multiple languages.

"They are the one who perpetuate this nonsense. Fortunately no one, except the Akmed in Tehran, listen to them"

They're not the ones who wrote the Talmud.

"Once they receives their independence and sovereignty, it was Israel absolute right, and theirs alone, to decide whom they will acccept into the country, and whom to reject."

Not when it comes to those it ethnically cleased from their land, and who they promised they woudl allow to return as a condition for their membership at the UN.

You really are painfully ignorant about Israel.

 

SABABA03

3:19 AM ET

December 7, 2010

Ignorant of Israel

Neoleft,

"You really are painfully ignorant about Israel."

If by now you did get the hint. I am one of them you moron, and grew up there most of my life.

Have you ever set foot in Israel?, talked with the people in the street, listened to the pulse in the streets there?. Or you get all your information about Israel from whatever yellow journals you read from.

 

NEOLEFT

4:40 AM ET

December 8, 2010

Ignorant of Israel

"If by now you did get the hint. I am one of them you moron, and grew up there most of my life."

And still you learned nothing but religious superstitions. It's little wonder that Israeli students don;t even rate in the top 25 of the world'

Yes I have visited Israel? I've talked with the people in the street, listened to the pulse in the streets there? There are good people and bad like anywhere else. I have friends who are Israeli who I am very fond of. They agree with much of what I have to say.

Need I remind you that Nazi Germany had a pulse, and culture and was vibrant, but that didn't immunize it from human rights abuses.

Same goes for Israel.

 

THEANTICLAUS

2:39 AM ET

December 11, 2010

NEOLEFTY IS SO WRONG IN SO MANY WAYS

Pape is a discredited revisionist historian...in other words a hack. Your quoting him demonstrates you are an ideolgue with cognitive dissonance, unable to face historical fact so you grasp at those who vindicate your beliefs no matter how much they fake historical fact. Jews do have an unbroken connection to the Land of Israel. THey remainecd a plurality if not a majority in the north of the country even after the Roman expulsion 2000 years ago. They have been a majority in Jerusalem for at least 150 years, the time of the first modern census in the country during the Ottoman occupation. Even after years of Muslims attempting to destroy Jewish relics and archaeology the evidence exists throughout the country. You would know that if you visited an saw centuries old graves, tombs, buildings, pottery, coins and other evidence of an unbroken Jewish presence. One last thing...the Arabs WERE responsible for the Holocaust, at least in part. They supported the Nazis during WWII as they fought against the British and French occupiers of the Middle East. But more than fighting for their own freedom, they also took the opportunity to kill Jews. They joined the SS and even formed their own units to round up and kill Jews, sending thousands to the gas chambers. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a member of the Nazi party and he took a very active part in the roundups in the Balkans and in Bulgaria. He fled justice and ran to Berlin during the war. There he served under Nazi propagandist Goebbels urging Muslims to join the Nazis against the Allies. Oh yeah, he also urged them to kill Jews. Learn some real histroy Neo-Nut.

 

DAVID IN DC

7:23 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Steve, Lindbergh would have said the same thing

To wit:

"I am not attacking either the Jewish or the British people. Both races, I admire. But I am saying that the leaders of both the British and the Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war. We cannot blame them for looking out for what they believe to be their own interests, but we also must look out for ours. We cannot allow the natural passions and prejudices of other peoples to lead our country to destruction."

Lindbergh uses race, which would not be PC today. But like you, Lindbergh says he calls out particular Jews rather than Jews as a whole. If Lindbergh were alive today, he would not be calling out leaders of the 'Jewish race' for agitating towards war to the detriment of the country, he would be making lists of prominent Jews and Jewish organizations and pointing the finger at them for war-mongering. Sound familiar?

I never got the impression that Lindbergh had a thing against Jews, per se. His beef was political. Yeah, he said that those Jews who held viewpoints with which he disagree had too much influence and power. But that sounds familiar too.

 

DAVID IN DC

8:00 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Buchanan: Lindbergh smeared by interventionists

"In Pat Buchanan's book entitled A Republic, Not An Empire: Reclaiming America's Destiny, he portrays Lindbergh and other pre-war isolationists as American patriots who were smeared by interventionists during the months leading up to Pearl Harbor. Buchanan suggests the backlash against Lindbergh highlights "the explosiveness of mixing ethnic politics with foreign policy.""

Exact same claim Steve Walt makes regarding his own treatment at the hands of "the Lobby".

The appelation "Neo-Lindberghian" appears to be right on the mark. The parallels are really striking.

 

NEOLEFT

11:17 PM ET

December 3, 2010

So wjhat's your point Dave?

"Exact same claim Steve Walt makes regarding his own treatment at the hands of "the Lobby"

Are you saying they're both wrong or both right?

 

SEANMCBRIDE

7:51 PM ET

December 3, 2010

David in DC: the ethnic xenophobia index

What percentage of your Internet postings would you estimate are ethnocentric -- that is, which mention your ethnic identity, issues, problems, conflicts or enemies?

What percentage of them are xenophobic -- that is, focused on your ethnic enemies?

For instance, your many attacks on Stephen Walt would be reasonably tagged as both ethnocentric and xenophobic.

If you take a look around you, you will notice that most Americans barely mention their ethnic identity, issues, problems, conflicts or enemies at all. And they are certainly not overly preoccupied with the interests and problems of any foreign government, especially one that is aggressively and militantly ethno-religious nationalist in cultural and political orientation.

Are you aware of how out of step you (and Jeffrey Goldberg) are with the main currents of American culture? Perhaps you are aware, but don't care?

People who present themselves to the world as aggressive ethnic nationalists of course invite a certain kind of response from their neighbors -- shouldn't that be obvious to anyone but self-absorbed and narcissistic cultists and fanatics?

 

DAVID IN DC

8:09 PM ET

December 3, 2010

Sean, have you looked in the

Sean, have you looked in the mirror lately? "Ethnic enemies"? Are you kidding me?

One wonders if all this pseudo intellectual claptrap about "ethnic xenophobia" is a general interest of yours, or if it is focused on one particular ethniciy in particular. I tend to suspect the latter, having never seen you write at all on threads about other ethnicities or nationalities.

 

SEANMCBRIDE

8:28 PM ET

December 3, 2010

David in DC: Your ethnocentric agenda

The only topic I have seen you write about are your own narrow ethnic interests (especially as defined within the framework 0f Zionism -- that is, Jewish/Israeli ethnic nationalism), and your angry and embittered conflicts with your ethnic enemies (like Stephen Walt). Are you truly unconscious of your behavior?

Compare the number of times Jeffrey Goldberg has mentioned his ethnic issues, problems, conflicts and enemies on the Atlantic to the number of times Andrew Sullivan has done so. Goldberg is off the charts. He really has only one issue he cares about, and one that is of little interest to 99% of the human race. He rarely expresses a sincere concern for the general public interest or public good outside the confines of his self-created ghetto.

The truth is, you and Jeffrey Goldberg are totally mired down in ethnic nationalist politics of the most contentious and alienating variety. Most Americans are not remotely involved in ethnic nationalist politics. Andrew Sullivan, Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer are not aggressive and self-obsessed ethnic nationalists, but you, Jeffrey Goldberg and all pro-Israel activists and militants are.

When are you going to wake up and smell the coffee? Obsessive-compulsive ethnic nationalism doesn't cut it in American politics or in any modern Western democracy. Why do you think it is that Israel's relations with the Western democratic world are coming apart at the seams and why it is just a few short steps away from the fate of apartheid South Africa?

 

SEANMCBRIDE

8:41 PM ET

December 3, 2010

David in DC: That is precisely the point

You wrote:

"One wonders if all this pseudo intellectual claptrap about "ethnic xenophobia" is a general interest of yours, or if it is focused on one particular ethniciy in particular. I tend to suspect the latter, having never seen you write at all on threads about other ethnicities or nationalities."

How many ugly encounters have Americans endured in recent years with American citizens who are also Irish nationalists, Italian nationalists, German nationalists, Swedish nationalists, Japanese nationalists, Chinese nationalists, etc.? Very few. But ugly encounters with ethnic nationalists of your variety are unfortunately a regular occurrence for many Americans and Europeans, from heads of state on down.

Pro-Israel activists are themselves responsible for making Israel and Jewish ethno-religious nationalism a subject of radical controversy in the United States and Europe. Zealots like you and Jeffrey Goldberg are part of the problem. And let me emphasize that all the best scientific polls on the subject demonstrate that most American Jews want nothing to do with this mess, and that they are increasingly distancing themselves from it. They want to get along with their neighbors and they don't want to define themselves in narrow ethnic nationalist terms.

 

BASE

4:09 PM ET

December 4, 2010

David in DC

Sean is making you look like a fool.

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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