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Like most residents of New England, I've spent the past day digging out from a major snowstorm. Unlike most of my neighbors, I've also spent many hours grading the take-home final from my course. It occurred to me that some of you might like to know what we asked our students, and what some of them had to say about it.

The exam was in two parts, and the first part consisted of the following hypothetical question:

 Q1: "Due to an unexpected movement of tectonic plates, the United States and China have switched geographic locations. The United States is now located in East Asia; sharing borders with Russia, North Korea, India, Mongolia, Vietnam, etc., and is much closer to Japan, while China is now located in North America, in-between Canada and Mexico. Assume that all other features of the two societies are unchanged (i.e., each state faces this new situation with the same populations they have today, along with the same natural resource endowments, military capabilities, economic systems, political institutions, etc.).

 The question: how would this development affect contemporary international relations? Your answer should draw upon the theoretical material covered in this course (e.g., realism, liberalism, constructivism, etc.) but feel free to add your own ideas as well."

Students were given 1250 words (5-6 pages) to address this question, and most of them did pretty well with it. The question is obviously designed to get them to think through what different theories tell you about how geography would affect relations between states. For instance: would US relations with India and Japan deteriorate if the US were located nearby, or would shared democratic values dampen potential rivalries? Would China try to establish regional hegemony in the Western hemisphere, and would states like Canada, Mexico or Brazil try to contain it? Or would they "bandwagon" with China as they have done with the United States? Would the United States have to curtail its global ambitions in order to deal with security problems closer to home -- such as Pakistan, North Korea, Burma, or Russia -- or would it feel compelled to use force against a threatening neighbor like North Korea? There's no single "right answer" to this sort of question; what I'm looking for is a clear, logically consistent, and well-argued set of predictions.

Not surprisingly, many of the papers argued that switching places would be a tremendous benefit to China. In particular, students clearly recognized that the United States enjoys some enormous geographic advantages. In addition to being wealthier and more powerful than any of the other major powers, the United States is protected by two enormous oceanic moats and has no great powers in its immediate neighborhood. Moving from East Asia to the Western hemisphere would put China in this same favorable position, and place the United States in a much more problematic location in East Asia.

But what was really interesting was an implication that some (though hardly all) students drew from this line of argument. A number of them argued that China would be so secure in the Western hemisphere that it could focus even more attention on economic development, and not worry very much about military or security developments elsewhere. It would want to defend its own territory, and it would worry about securing energy supplies from Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, and elsewhere, but otherwise it would be sitting pretty and could remain aloof from lots of other security issues. The United States, by contrast, would be facing all sorts of challenges over in Asia and would have to try to deal with all of them.

An obvious question, therefore, is: why doesn't this same logic apply to the United States today? Instead of devoting trillions of dollars to transforming the Middle East, trying to bring Afghanistan into the 20th century (or is it the 19th?) and generally interfering all over the world, the United States could almost certainly do a lot less on the world stage and devote some of those resources to balancing budgets and fixing things here at home. It's called nation-building, but we'd be building our nation and our future, not somebody else's.

What some of our students have intuitively grasped (and not because we told them), is that there is in fact a very powerful case for a much more limited U.S. military posture overseas. Indeed, given the existence of nuclear weapons, there is even a cogent case to be made for something approaching isolationism, as laid out by people like the late Eric Nordlinger, by the CATO Institute's Chris Preble, or the team of Gholz, Press, and Sapolsky. I don't go quite that far myself (i.e., I'm an offshore balancer, not an isolationist), but I recognize that there is a serious case for the latter position. And because this view does have a certain appeal, the current foreign-policy establishment has to do a lot of threat-mongering and engage in a lot of ideological oversell in order to get Americans to keep paying for foreign wars and sending their sons and daughters out to garrison the globe. It also helps to portray anybody who advocates doing less as some sort of idealistic pacifist or naive appeaser.

But this debate is beginning to open up. When states and local governments are facing bankruptcy, when military adventures like Iraq or Afghanistan yield not victory but at best only prolonged and costly draws, and when there is in fact no ideologically motivated great power adversary out there trying to "bury us," then continuing to try to manage the whole goddamn planet isn't just foolish, it's unconscionable. It will probably take another decade for this reality to work its way through our hidebound national-security establishment, but the winds of change are already apparent. And not a moment too soon.

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DJOKICM

4:47 PM ET

December 28, 2010

Isolationism

It is disappointing that you would use a loaded, inaccurate term such as "isolationism" to describe a school of thought in foreign policy that included many respected scholars and statesmen including our first president. The term has been used historically to belittle and politically discredit those who did not favor military interventions in foreign countries. "Non-interventionism" seems much more appropriate.

 

COUNTCHOCULA1011

11:07 PM ET

December 28, 2010

Reply

I am sure the author probably buys into the notion that it's the sacred duty of the US government to "spread freedom" and "liberate" all the peoples of the world--at least he probably does in some form or another. Many people who think they are non-interventionists will be surprisingly interventionist in nature whenever someone brings up Rwanda or something--as if it's somehow our fault that the country descended into racially-driven psychosis.

-Leave other countries alone.
-Screw spreading democracy--we don't even have one here!
-Eliminate the American plutocracy (for more info read the leaked Citi group memos discussing this)!!!
-Focus on trade deals and building our own society. We don't have the resources or the will to be the world police,

 

TCH

1:25 AM ET

December 29, 2010

Corporate Interests in the United States

Corporate interests have greatly harmed the United States. It is one of the greatest threats it faces.

 

TCH

3:12 PM ET

December 29, 2010

?

Are you implying that WWII was a result of American actions. Also the United States came out on top after WWII.

 

CARRINGTON WARD

6:44 PM ET

December 29, 2010

Wilsonianism

An intermediate position on WWI: we in the U.S. may have made the right decision to intervene, but botched the peace settlement, horribly.

Kennan would point out part of the problem,-- it was a devil's bargain to fight a war 'to make the world safe for democracy.' Our close self-identification with the Western Allies tended to close off our options in the postwar period, when Great Britain and France behaved as self-interested great power, not peace-loving democracies.

And, of course, the results were even worse for our foreign policy vis-a-vis the Russian revolution, where backing a losing horse (or stable of horses) was far worse than backing no horse at all.

 

THETUMTA

1:35 AM ET

January 11, 2011

Not so sure what the author means by "isolationism"? ...

Has he defined his terms? "Isolationism" is like "Anarchist" and other pejorative terms. Perhaps we should ask him to tell us exactly what he referring to? Is he referring to Jefferson's realism? Fight when it's profitable or walk away? Profitable, but for whom?

A fight for all is a given, but it's been a long, long time since we have had one of those, not in my lifetime. It's difficult to be a critic when I'm not sure exactly what's being stated.

Hej!
Tumta

 

MZV1212

6:06 PM ET

December 28, 2010

Excellent Question!

And interesting responses. The only point I'd venture to add is that although isolationism with a focus on economic development would be the most immediate course of action for China in this hypothetical arrangement, it would not and could not remain the long term arrangement when it comes to developing a viable superpower.

Benefiting from the geographic advantages of being in the western hemisphere, China would be permitted to develop domestically in profound ways; they'd have to learn to balance their local economy, regulate industries that seek to exploit employees, and curb unemployment. But they'd also have to learn to deal with the prospect of mass immigration, and I suspect that they'd be far more restrictive when it comes to permitting foreign immigration and naturalization.

An influx of immigration typically results in a litany of domestic social problems; often times immigrants native religions and cultures differ greatly from the countries that they migrate to, and those cultures and religions arent simply cast aside after settling. So acculturation and assimilation become priorities for the resident government, and xenophobia is often a response to fear from 'outsiders'; fear that they'll take their jobs, infiltrate their society, and ruin the very principles and morals that made their country 'great.'

I guess my entire point is that although the geographic shift would be ideal in the near term, China would have to respond to the circumstances of being a world superpower at a far deeper level, both domestically and abroad. In that vein, there is no guarantee that they'd act any more rationally than the United States.....

 

TCH

8:18 PM ET

December 28, 2010

Good work

Good analysis MZV1212!

 

DAKOTABORNKANSAN

9:30 PM ET

December 28, 2010

Congratulations for 3 Quarks prize!

Congratulations on winning 3 Quarks first place political prize for “Why America is going to regret the Cordoba House controversy.”

 

PJIUTZI

11:36 PM ET

December 28, 2010

Why would China become isolationist when the US isn't?

It seems to me that the fact the US isn't more isolationist now is a strong argument against the idea that China would become more isolationist if we switched geographies. Did the students highlight any key aspects of China that would lead them down a more isolationist path than we are currently following?

 

ALEXBC

6:29 AM ET

December 29, 2010

No Subversion?

How is China's taunting of Japan, its "core interest" in the South China Sea, or its diplomatic squeezes over the Nobel not examples of subversion? China has invaded sovereign nations and annexed territories at will, too. Most people have short memories...

 

JACOB BLUES

5:23 PM ET

December 29, 2010

Walt provides a final question worthy of a Marvel Comics issue

"Due to an unexpected movement of tectonic plates, the United States and China have switched geographic locations".
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OK, so if we work with the idea of 'realism', a shift of tectonic plates stems from a massive shift in the earth's crust. So to accomplish his theoretical feat, Professor Walt has just moved massive amounts of terra-firma, with all the accompanying physical destruction likely viewed by movie goers in the flick 2012. Cue Tom Hanks and someone grab George Lucas and the boys over at Skywalker ranch to depict the ensuing destruction.
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That likely leaves you with a world reminecint of Saturday morning cartoon show Thundar the Barbarian.
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Walt compounds his idiocy by stating the following "The United States is now located in East Asia; sharing borders with Russia, North Korea, India, Mongolia, Vietnam, etc., and is much closer to Japan."
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Wonderful, let's take historical enemies with a history of recent violence and competition and put them right next to one another. Another fine "What If" issue. Let's take North Korea, remove its long-time only ally, China, and replace it with the Capitalist evil giant, the United States. North Korea's leadership, obviously not the most stable bunch of rulers, decide that this is the end of the world and launch all of its nuclear weapons at the US in a bid to cause as much destruction as possible before the anticipated invasion. Cue Matthew Broderick and the 'Whopper' computer. "Shall we play a game?"
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I could go on and explain how China decides to invade and occupy Mexico due to the drug dealing issues, but really, the first two issues highlight why meshing make believe and reality doesn't do too much for a poltiical theory class.
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It's kind of like the old economics joke "Well, that idea may work fine in reality, but it will never hold in theory".

 

NBPAT

6:22 PM ET

December 30, 2010

Canada can cope

For hundreds of years, Canada was a colony of the UK. They thought we looked like them and sounded like them, we must be like them and we must like them.

In the last century Canada became very much a subject of the United States. Our main trading partner, a neighbour in peace. We are often called their brothers or cousins.

And now, in the 21st century ... women huanying women-de Zhongguo de pengyou. Huanying! Huanying!

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

12:06 AM ET

December 31, 2010

The present is rooted in the past.

The US was founded and nurtured by invading peoples in expansionist mood supported by a self-justifying evangelical religion. China, on the other hand, came together as an amalgamation of feudal lords steeped in the ideas of Confucius. Although each has climbed a long way, the same roots still support and feed them, and ever will, the tectonic fairy notwithstanding.

 

BOXUAN

2:05 AM ET

December 31, 2010

Wrong!

Americans are not paying for "threat-mongering" and "ideological oversell", but benefiting from them. Without threat-mongering, Saudi Arabia wouldn't have given US free pass to petro just in exchange of non-interference. Without ideological oversell, Japan wouldn't haven signed the Plaza Accord in 1985 to depreciate yen, which led to an export-shrinking and economic bubble, which finally bursted in 1990.

The problem now is not whether to give up meddling, but how to do it more wisely and effectively. I say, get out of Afghanistan and Iraq ASAP. Losing faces for sure, but those operations are not benefitial. Meddling in the Korean peninsula and South China sea would be much more rewarding. In this case, Obama government is much smarter than GW Bush's.

 

DANIELSERWER

3:08 AM ET

January 4, 2011

Nationbuilding

Why is it assumed that the purpose of U.S. military intervention is nationbuilding, and that nationbuilding is achieved by military means?

Nationbuilding is simply a misnomer. The right term is state building, and it is only occasionally done with military means, which are expensive and ill-suited to the purpose. If perchance you do want to export democracy, or feel you have to, what is more often needed is civilian state building capacity, not necessarily American. The UN, the EU, the AU and lots of other organizations do it, at comparatively low cost and sometimes quite effectively.

You may object that that is none of our business, but I would submit it is a lot better to be in that business than to allow crimes against humanity that could destabilize regions important to U.S. interests--that's an argument even an offshore balancer might buy.

Daniel Serwer
www.peacefare.net

 

MARKUS TOT

10:05 PM ET

January 21, 2011

if we work with the idea of

if we work with the idea of 'realism', a shift of tectonic plates stems from a massive shift in the earth's crust. So to accomplish his theoretical feat, Professor Walt has just moved massive amounts of terra-firma, with all the accompanying physical destruction likely viewed by movie goers in the flick 2012.

 

ELUSW

5:33 PM ET

January 24, 2011

Acculturation and

Acculturation and assimilation become priorities for the resident government, and xenophobia is often a response to fear from 'outsiders'; fear that they'll take their jobs, infiltrate their society, and ruin the very principles and morals that made their country "big one."

 

Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.

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