When Palestinian terrorists stabbed two woman earlier this year, including an American who died, Israel knew the culprits were Arabs. When a shooting happens in East Harlem, its neverr a white person. Understand?

The Palestinian terrorists who murdered Jewish children in their sleep, first broke into the neighbors home, but luckily nobody was there. When the Palestinians murdered the Fogel family they left many clues including muddy shoe prints on furniture and bloody fingerprints. Hopefully they will receive street justice, because child killers don't deserve life in prison.

By 1929, European immigrant weer already arrivign and declaring their intentiona to drive out the Palestinian from the territory.

In prebious attacks, Palestinian terro groups have taken credit for these atatcks. On this occasion, Hamas and Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade both denied any ivolvement. The fact that Israel is responsing wutha vow to buld 500 new homes smells of a set up.

@CARPEVERITAS
So you want to tell me there was Palestinian terrorism since 1929?

Have a look at the murder of the rightous orthodox jew Jacob Israël de Haan, which happened June 30, 1924.

Instantly unknown Palestinian terrorists were blamed for that murder. Jews were running wild at that time to take revenge for that cruel murder.

And guess what?

Decades later it turned out, that the assassin was named Avraham Tehomi - and he was a mmber of a jewish terrorist organization named Haganah.

So what it has to do with the Israeli-Arabs conflict?

I'll tell you what!? Just another Falsetinian proPALganda irrelevant fact.

NEOLEFT; Zionist never said that their mission is to drive the Arabs out, nor did it. It is the Arabs who don't recognize the Right of the Jews to have their national state in Palestine, even not Abu Mazen of today. http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?id=173354 .

by the pattern of action, the targeting and some facts that they left at the arena.
The Israelis said that they don't yet know the names of the persons and their terror group alliance.

There is no "lot of security" or "heavily secured" settlements, and some are even without a fence. Itamar has lately had a fence because the army imposed them to do so. It is a simple electronic fence and quite low one, which well ready to men in mission to over go. I hope that this the only "proof" you have to not blaming some Arabs in the massacre!

It is not a just a crimiminal massacre because no criminal risks himself in such a way, and of course nothing valuable had been stolen. Criminals, as much as the criminals behave, don't slaughter babies! Only Muslim terrorists do so !

The IDF make the "Muslim terrorists" look like amateurs.

The famous author John Steinbeck had a grandfather who was attacked in "palestine" while living on the Dickson farm. His name was Johnny Grossteinbeck and his brother Frederick was attacked by 5 Arabs on January 11, 1858, one year after the famous Herman Melville had left his home there.

Know your history

My keyboard mistakenly changed it to johnny.

"The famous author John Steinbeck had a grandfather who was attacked in "palestine" while living on the Dickson farm"

So what? One man was attacked? Unfortunate, yes, but it could ust as easily have happened to him in the city of London.

You don't need history to figure that out.

One of the most ardent Zionists, Israel Zangwill, stated as early as 1905 that:

"Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having fifty-two souls to the square mile, and not 25% of them Jews ..... [We] MUST BE PREPARED TO EITHER DRIVE OUT BY THE SWORD [ARAB] tribes in possession as our forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly Mohammedan and accustomed for centuries to despise us." (Righteous Victims, p. 140 & Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 7-10)

Arthur Ruppin wrote in 1913:

"Land is the most necessary thing for establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands. . . . we are bound in each case. . . to remove the peasants who cultivate the land." (Righteous Victims, p. 61)

In 1891Ahad Ha'Am similarly wrote of the Palestinians:

"If a time comes when our people in Palestine develop so that, in small or great measure, they push out the native inhabitants, these will not give up their place easily." (Righteous Victims, p. 49)

Moshe Smilansky wrote in Hapoel Hatzair in the spring edition of 1908:

"Either the Land of Israel of Israel belongs in the national sense to those Arabs who settled there in recent years [before 1908], and then we have no place there and we must say explicitly: The land of our fathers is lost to us. [Or] if the land of Israel belongs to us, the the Jewish people, then our national interests come before all else. . . . it is not possible for one country to serve as the homeland of two peoples." (Righteous Victims, p. 58)

Zionist Hahman Syrkin, the ideological founder of Socialist Zionism, proposed in a pamphlet, titled "The Jewish Question and the Socialist Jewish State" published in 1898 , that:

"Palestine is thinly populated, in which the Jews constituted today 10 percent of the population, must be evacuated for the Jews." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 7)

Israel was founded on terrorism by terrorists gangs and terrorist leaders.

It drove out the British by use of terorrism. It drove out the Palestinians by use of terrorism. Ben Gurion said that “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”

Israel elected 2 terrorist leaders to the highest office in the land.

In 2006, Israel celebrated the 60th anniversary of a terrorist attack in it's name. Netenyahu attended the festivities.

So what do u think?!!? IT WAS TERRORISTS WAKE UP THESE PEOPLE DONT WANT PEACE THEY WANT BLOOD NOT ONLY FROM JEWS SO U 2 R INCLUDED.

And as for not wanting peace, it is Israel that has rejected the Arab Peace initiative, signed by 22 Arab States.

Because having done all that "ethnic cleansing" you claim he did and was forever planning to do the Galilee is majority arab.

Those damn Zionists are just incompetent. They should have taken notes from the Arabs who in 1948 either murdered or expelled 100% of all Jews living in the area they conquered and then proceeded in the following decade to expel nearly a million Jews. Care to name a region in Syria or Iraq or Lebanon or Morrocco the size of the Galilee that is majority Jewish?

>> That Ben Gurion was just useless

Not really. the aim was to achieve a Jewish majority and in that regard, the ethnic cleasing of OPalestine was a resounding success.

>> They should have taken notes from the Arabs who in 1948 either murdered or expelled 100% of all Jews living in the area they conquered and then proceeded in the following decade to expel nearly a million Jews.

False of course. There was no ethnic cleasing by the Arabs. Yes, the Jordaianians did ethnically cleanse about 5000 Jews from Jerusalem, but the million Jews you are referrign to migrated to Israel for messianic reasons. Very few were murdered, and expulsion does not require a 1-3 decades.

Mizrahi Jews migrated to Israel for messianic reasons. They do not consider themselves refugees.

>> Care to name a region in Syria or Iraq or Lebanon or Morrocco the size of the Galilee that is majority Jewish?

They never had a Jewish majority in those regions.

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/suspect-in-settlement-murders-not-a-palestinian-army-silent-on-this/

Your utter contempt for Arabs is showing. We see who is the religious bigot fanatic, the guy who points to a 3000yr old repugnant racist book as his land title. I don't disrespect religion, even the Jewish faith, but if you believe the book of Joshua is any guide for you, we are enemies. You are craven, and if God has a chosen people, then I worship a greater God. I worship the creator of us all, in whom we are all united.

The only to understand the Bible is to imagine the author to be a meshuggah comic with all the foul offensiveness of Lenny Bruce. Jesus asked us to love our neighbor, even if he's our enemy from another tribe and country. Mohammad told us we could have 4 wives, so long as we treat each of them equally. And God gave us the Golden Rule, telling us to not covet our neighbor's house, or wife, to not kill bear false witness. Yet the book of Joshua has him conspiring with a whore, to kill every inhabitant of a dozen cities. See, It's Funny. Just imagine the "Cantor" is Gilbert Godfried.

The Israeli's haven't said they want to commit utter genocide, it's what they are doing. You would have us worry more about words than deeds? That really takes hypocrisy to a new level, I don't know that we have a word for that. Wait, the Jews do, Chutzpah. Funny, Eskimos have many words for snow, and Jews for hypocrisy.

So, you're admitting the Arabs were there then, and then outnumbering Jews!

if you want to talk about history, then it doesn't help your case to ignore the incovenient chapters. Irlae has killed ten times as many people as the Paelstinians have, and no, there were no porgoms in Palestine.

In fact, teh Zionist immigrants arrived in Palestine declaring their intentions of removiong the Palestinian popultion, from as early as the turn of the ecentury.

>> Why do Israel-bashers always mistakenly think that Israel's history began in 1967?"

Why do Why do Israel-apologists always faklsely claim that Israel did no wrong until 1967? Does the Deir Yassin massacre not ring any bells?

And why is it that Habron is a massacre, yet Jenin,. which claimed the same number fo victims, is not?

>> Have they read what Elwood Mead said about the rotten condition of the land in 1923?

Have you read that Ahad Ha'Am opened many Jewish eyes to the fact the Palestine was not empty, but populated with its indigenous people in 1891?

"We abroad are used to believe the Eretz Yisrael is now almost totally desolate, a desert that is not sowed ..... But in truth that is not the case. Throughout the country it is difficult to find fields that are not sowed. Only sand dunes and stony mountains .... are not cultivated." (Righteous Victims, p. 42)

>> These two respected Americans proved Mark Twain was spot on in his 1860's account in The Innocents Abroad."

Mark Twain vixited a very tiny region of the territory and his travels only took him through a desolate region. Mark Twain's account was debunked by Zionist Israel Zangwill, who had visited Palestine in 1897 and came face-to-face with the demographic reality and stated in 1905 in a speech to a Zionist group in Manchester that:

"Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having fifty-two souls to the square mile, and not 25% of them Jews ..... [We] must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the [Arab] tribes in possession as our forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly Mohammedan and accustomed for centuries to despise us." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 7- 10, and Righteous Victims, p. 140)

>> Do they know that during Jordan's illegal occupation of Jerusalem, dozens of synagogues and graves were destroyed?"

And that Israel destroyed hundreds fo Palestinian villages even before May 1948, and that Israle bnow illeglly occupies Jerusalem and the West Bank?

Robert F. Kennedy was wrong in his statement, Palestinians were always amajority in Palestine. Michael Bar-Zohar (one of Ben-Gurion's official biographers) openly admitted that it was a myth that "Palestine was an empty land," and to a certain degree, he managed to explain the evolution of the myth, he wrote:

"Whatever became of the slogan: A people without a land returns to land without a people? The simple truth was that Palestine was not an empty land, and the Jews were only a small minority of its population. In the days of the empire building, the Western powers had dismissed natives as an inconsequential factor in determining whether or not to settle a territory with immigrants. Even after the [1st] world war, the concept of self-determination . . . . was still reserved exclusively for the developed world." (Michael Bar-Zohar, p. 45-46)

>> The 1937 Peel Commission report also confirmed the high number of Arab immigrants who were NOT indigenous to "palestine"."

False. The Peel Commission report aknowlegded that the apelstinians were a majority, were infiogenous to the land and that Jews weer but 10% of the population.

>> Combine these above facts with the UN definition of a Palestinian refugee and any intellectual can clearly see that the entire Palestinian cause is a complete fabrication.

A Zionist myth. Benny Morris has debunekd this claim long ago.

>> I'd love to see anyone try to debate these facts which are backed by multiple sources.

I'm more than happy to, thoguh I have already exposed your arguments and falsities.

Well, you sure "don't help your case to ignore the incovenient chapters"... with your own false and misleading writing.

Just because this informatino is news to you doesn't make it "misleading writing"

THE PEEL COMMISSION OF 1937 FOUND ARAB CLAIMS THAT JEWS STOLE THEIR LAND AS BASELESS. Land shortages were due more in part to massive Arab immigration to Palestine from other Arab countries than to Jewish land purchases. Chapter IX of the Peel Commission states,

"The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the
increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have
obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained.
Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps
and uncultivated when it was bought."

Whereas the British resigned much of Palestine to be "uninhabitable," the Jews took this "barren wasteland," drained the swamps and "made the desert bloom." Many of the Jewish-owned citrus groves at the time were situated on sand dunes viewed by the British as "uncultivable."

It is without doubt that the Jews, in their quest to purchase and acquire more land, did not take any land from Arabs unlawfully. Furthermore, Arab absentee landlords living elsewhere and real estate brokers sold their land to Jews at an inflated cost.

As of today, not a single person representing the pro-Palestinian view has been able to contradict this reality using any official documentation, land data or historical records.

Furthermore, the Peel Commission admitted that Arabs on the whole, benefited from a growing Jewish presence in the land as they brought economic prosperity and stability to Palestine and its inhabitants.

"The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it
has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab
landowners have benefited from the sale of land and the profitable
investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the
whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due
to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors
associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the
Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been
provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the
Jews."

If you count all the people in "palestine" which included Transjordan and Israel then the Arabs may have been a majority. It is well known that more than 500,000 Arabs flooded Israel from 1900-1945.

The UN allowed an Iraqi to become a Palestinian if he moved to Jaffa in May 1946 and lived there for two yeas. You can't lie about UN definitions because those are online for everyone to read, much like the history of the name of 'palestine' which originated in 138 AD.

Which of your lies will be debunked next? I cannot wait! It is easier than breathing.

The Peel Commission ended in 1937. The land theft of Palestinians lad took place from 1947 onwards, so the Peel Commission wasn’t around when it took place.

That’s for making such a fool of yourself.

As Israeli historian Benny Morris documented 750,000 Palestinians were expelled by Israel and their land seized between 1947 and 1948. Israel has been stealing land ever since.

"The 1937 Peel Commission report also confirmed the high number of Arab immigrants who were NOT indigenous to "palestine"."

False. Israeli forreign minister, Shlomo Ben Ami documented in his book that in 1906 there were 700,000 Arabs, 55,000 Jews, and even of those 55,000 Jews, only a handful were Zionists.

This was confirmed by a British Census that also found that 50% of the land was arab owned and only 7% owned by Jews by 1948.

Really? Care to give a proper source for the fact that there was a battle in Hebron between heavily armed Jews and Arabs? Care to give a source showing the Jews killed in Hebron were over 50% "militants"? Care to show how the killing in Hebron was in revenge for a systematic suicide bombing campaign by the Jews against the Arabs including blowing up an old people's home?

I read righteous victims and wierdly you manage to skip all the bits were Morris points out the sources you quote were on the sidelines when it came to policy, something that if you rubbed both your braincells together would be obvious given the number of non-Jews in Israel proper. If Zionists were committed to "ethnic cleansing" they clearly weren't very good at it. Just like they are the world's most incompetent genocidaires.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/peel1.html

Please point out where it says that Jews are 10% of the population - they were actually 1/3 at this time and rapidly increasing due to what was going on in Germany and the USSR. At the rate of immigration, Jews would have been a majority by 1942. Of course, the Mufti made sure that never happened by first ensuring the Revolt would cause the British to ban immigration and then in Berlin helping the Nazis kill Jews in Europe, whilst failing in Iraq to help kill the Jews there.

PS when lying make sure people can't easily double check.

Morris never said anything of the sort. He says the figures for the number of Palestinian refugees after the 1948 war - and refugee is taken in the widest possible sense - are between 500,000 to a wholely uncredible 1 million quoted by the Palestinians. The 700,000 - not 750,000 - is simply a more credible average of the figures.

As Ben Ami, the guy never said that either and this was in a book that took "Professor" Pappe - a lecturer, not professor, at the time - seriously. But hey who cares about facts?

There was no battle at Jenin. Israel, as always, we overwhelmingly better armed and indiscriminate with thei atatcks on civlians.

"Care to show how the killing in Hebron was in revenge for a systematic suicide bombing campaign by the Jews against the Arabs including blowing up an old people's home?"

Jenin was makretted to the publiv as a revenge, but it was just another routine attack on a Palestinian camp.

It shoudl also be pointed out that many Palestinians gave refuge to Jews in the Hebron masacre, and that those atatcked were Ashkenazi Jews, who had been involved in a deliberate cmapaign to incite the Palestinians.

In Joseph Schectman’s biography of Vladimir Jabotinsky, Schectman alludes to provocative articles that were printed in Jabotinsky’s newspaper, Doar Hayom. There was a tangle of interests involved before one gets to the Arabs, all of whom were at odds with each the other, — the British Mandate authority, the Zionist Executive, Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Party which stood in opposition tot he Zionist executive; the Brit Trumpeldor organization; numerous individuals pressing for this or that advantage; and everybody seeking to create a photo op to motivate contributions from diaspora Jews. ( Shira Klein states in the last article, below, that the motive of the Mufti in pressing the conflict over the wailing wall was to generate contributions from Muslims in the region.)

I read righteous victims and wierdly you manage to skip all the bits were Morris points out the sources you quote were on the sidelines when it came to policy"

So what? The sicdeline policies were fullty realized were they not?

"If Zionists were committed to "ethnic cleansing" they clearly weren't very good at it."

Not for lack of trying.

This is what you call a distinction without a difference.

"He says the figures for the number of Palestinian refugees after the 1948 war - and refugee is taken in the widest possible sense - are between 500,000 to a wholely uncredible 1 million quoted by the Palestinians. The 700,000 - not 750,000 - is simply a more credible average of the figures."

As you for real? The difference between 700,000 and 750,000 is about 6%.

>> As Ben Ami, the guy never said that either and this was in a book that took "Professor" Pappe - a lecturer, not professor, at the time - seriously."

He (Pappe) is still a professional historian, and yes, Ben Ami did in deed state that as of 1906, Jews were about 10% of the population. His statement is supported by the record. Zionist Hahman Syrkin, the ideological founder of Socialist Zionism, proposed in a pamphlet, titled "The Jewish Question and the Socialist Jewish State" published in 1898 , that:

"Palestine is thinly populated, in which the Jews constituted today 10 percent of the population, must be evacuated for the Jews." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 7)

Israel Zangwill, who had visited Palestine in 1897, stated in 1905 in a speech to a Zionist group in Manchester that:

"Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having fifty-two souls to the square mile, and not 25% of them Jews"

Maybe you need to look up the definition of facts?

That says Jews are 10% of the population as you claim.

No one but no one apart from the nutters claim the majority of Jenin deaths were civilians. The UN doesn't, HRW doesn't even the Palestinians got embarassed by the claim there was a massacre of civilians that they pretended the claim was a zionist plot to discredit the Palestinians. I guess you are in the nutter camp.

Pappe isn't a "professional historian", he is a "political scientist" - which apparently means you don't have to bother backing up your claims with like actual research. Like you he can't even get basic facts right. Unlike you he is honest enough to say he doesn't care about the truth.

Morris on the other hand as a serious historian simply doesn't say what you claim despite your pathetic attempt to cut and paste every single quote of every single marginal character who can even vaguely be twisted to back up your claim.

"Not for want of trying"? What you mean by giving the remaining arabs full rights? Making Arabic the official second language of the state? Giving them the vote? Allowing them to become MKs? Making sure that not a single refugee camp stayed in existance - the only place in the Levant where Palestinians are not in camps and full and equal rights? One can only imagine the fortitude of the Arabs who stayed under such horror. They then had to live through the terror of having Arab Ministers of State, Arab Mayors of major cities, becoming professors, serving in the highest court in the land - including presiding over the conviction and jailing of the top citizen in Israel - etc etc etc. Not those Arabs who showed their love to their Jewish citizens by hanging them, stripping them of their citizenship, banning them from jobs, stealing their property and arbitrarily jailing them.

I was msitaken with respect to it's claims about the population in palestine. It was until around 1905 that Jews are 10% of the population. By the time the peel Commission was formed, the Jewish popul;ation was about 1/3, due to massive immigration.

>> At the rate of immigration, Jews would have been a majority by 1942. Of course, the Mufti made sure that never happened by first ensuring the Revolt would cause the British to ban immigration and then in Berlin helping the Nazis kill Jews in Europe, whilst failing in Iraq to help kill the Jews there.

That is demonstrably false. Had Israel not expeleld 750,000 Palestinians by the end fo the 1948 war, Jews would never become a majority even after the British were driven out.

Palestine was not the first choice destimnation for most Jews from Europea nd Russia.

PS Sometimes you get away with embedding your lies among a few facts, but in your case, I'm not letting you.

Morris has distanced himself from his earlier works and claims.

>> the Palestinians got embarassed by the claim there was a massacre of civilians

There Palestinians were not embarassed. While the original numbers weer cerainly inflated, it was certainly a massacre.

>> Like you he can't even get basic facts right. Unlike you he is honest enough to say he doesn't care about the truth.

Liek I said, even Morris has changed his mind and disavowed what he reported in his earlier work, so the question is, was did he care about the truth then, or doesn't care about the truth now?

>> What you mean by giving the remaining arabs full rights?

The remaingn Arabs do not have full rights.

>> Making Arabic the official second language of the state?

Even thoguh they can be fired for speaking it at work?

>> Making sure that not a single refugee camp stayed in existance

I think Nazi Germany achieved that status too. It's hardly anythign to boast about.

>> One can only imagine the fortitude of the Arabs who stayed under such horror.

People will put up with a great deal to saty in their homes. Just ask the 25,000 Irnain Jews who refuse to leave Iran, in spite fo Israel offering them bribes to move to Israel.

Israel is apartheid. Yuo might as well deal with it Danny.

You mentioned the attitude/view of native inhabitants by the West. The Middle East was divided/carved up by the British and French. We know that Churchill thought native peoples made good subjects for gassing. And, we see what the French thought of native peoples in their behavior in Algeria. There, they sought to literally eliminate all the natives from their cities--these Brown people being good subjects to tend farms and serve other menial roles. Ahhh, we see Israel is NOT a ME country, but more Western colonialism. This outpost is going to go the way of all the other colonial projects; namely native dissent, economic constraints at home prove these projects untenable.

You said Zionists weren't good at ethnic cleansing? In 48 they were given 50% of the land, and by 67 they had 77%. They had utterly destroyed hundreds of villages! How do you explain that? None of these remain in Israel, though on the Arab side, Christian and Jewish villages remain as they have for hundreds of years. You're just wrong on this, you're heavily propagandized, as all Americans are and I encourage you to do more research.

Wikipedia: "According to Ilan Pappe, "the term Nakba was adopted, for understandable reasons, as an attempt to counter the moral weight of the Jewish Holocaust (Shoa), but in leaving out the actor, it may in a sense have contributed to the continuing denial by the world of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 and after"."

" A collapse in Palestinian leadership,[9] Jewish military advances, such as that on Haifa,[10] and fears of a massacre after Deir Yassin,[11] caused many to leave out of panic. Later, a series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes, or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.[12] [13] The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as having included instances of ethnic cleansing"

"Another study, involving field research and comparisons with British and other documents, concludes that 472 Palestinian habitations (including towns and villages) were destroyed in 1948. It notes that the devastation was virtually complete in some sub-districts. For example, it points out that 96.0% of the villages in the Jaffa area were totally destroyed, as were 90.0% of those in Tiberiade, 90.3% of those in Safad, and 95.9% of those in Beisan. It also extrapolates from 1931 British census data to estimate that over 70 280 Palestinian houses were destroyed in this period.[111]"

But, I'm sure you know better.

One is based on a culture of entitlement with a fist clenched nose in the air and hand out. One built the only democracy in Middle East, a democracy that even after a war where the poor innocent civilian arabs killed 1% of the Israeli population and wounded 2% more in a year - roughly proportional to losses the Red Army suffered at the hands of the Germans - allowed those same people to not only vote freely but elect to the Parliament virulently anti-Zionist Arabs. For example this guy:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/last-member-of-israel-s-first-knesset-dies-at-89-1.348876

One culture has the death penalty for selling to Jews, the other makes international news when an obscure rabbi says you shouldn't rent to Arabs and is roundly condemned by all major politicians - as well as interogated by the police.

One pays people like Walt to lie for them.

It is the subtle things that make the difference....

The Soviet army fought for 4 years not 1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union#Military_losses

Total deaths about 9million and total wounded about 16million. Total population was 170 million. (9/170)/4 = 1.3%.

>> One is based on a culture of entitlement with a fist clenched nose in the air and hand out.

That's a harsh way to describe Israel, but I cannot argue with your characterization.

Isral fo course, is not a democracy. Most Israelis don;t even undestand what democracy means. When polled, the majority agreed that democracy meant the tyranny of the majority over the miniority.

No democracy anywhere in the world, is based on a class/aparthied system, where citizens are identified on ID papers according to their religion.

>> One culture has the death penalty for selling to Jews

Has anyone been put to death for selling to Jews?

>> the other makes international news when an obscure rabbi says you shouldn't rent to Arabs

It wasn't an aobscure rabbi, it was 30 of them. Are they all obscure?

And interestingly, while this letter was "roundly condemned by all major politicians", it is already implemente in Israel by default.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/segregation-of-jews-and-arabs-in-2010-israel-is-almost-absolute-1.321728

>> One pays people like Walt to lie for them.

I look forward to the evidence of alt receioving payment for his services. Either that, or an apology to Walt will suffice.

Really?

He is disconnected from reality !

First of all, there is no such thing as the land of Israel.

Before Isael as created (in 1948) it was Paleestine and knonw as such tine 600 BC and before. In fact, while there are actual maps of Palestine dating back to 600BC, there are none of Israel before 1948.

Transjordan was British occupier to a Saudi prince and called “TransJordan”;

The West Bank is the result of UNSC 181 and the partition, whci Israel agreed to accep in 1947, and then re affirmed in 1948 in it's letter od declaration of indepdendence to the UN.

>> In that regard Israel occupied the already occupied Judea and Samaria by the Jordanians, even before any new “Palestinian people” was emerged"

False, All the inhabiatnts fo Paelstine were known as Palestinians in 1920. In fact, Ben Gurion recognized the apelstiniasn as a nation in the 1930's.

>> Targeting assassinations of terror individuals and groups is not a war crime but preventing war crimes...."

Only when Israel does it of course, otehrwise you Zinists call it terrorism.

What has taekn place in Itamar is a murder. A horrible crime, but a murder.

>> Israel has never killed intentionally a civilian"

Not only is that false, but Israel have openly admitted to doing so as a matter of policy. Mordecai Gur(Israeli politician and the 10th Chief of Staff of the IDF) told
Ze'ev Shiff (Israeli journalist and military correspondent for Ha'aretz) in an interiew that:

"The Israeli army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously. The army has never distinguished civilian from military targets, but has purposely attacked civilian targets."

As for blaming Palestinians for using human shields, may I remind you that not only has the IDF been caught on camera doing so, but that Shin Bet has appealed an Israeli Suepreme Court ban ion the use of human shields.

Similalrly, onw oudl argue that what Israel have labelled as terrorost atatcks were also efforts by Palestinians to attack miliatry targets, but that civlians were killed due of the IDF habit
and practice of being civlians and living among civlians.

"We saw some evidence to that behave where Israeli pilots prevented launching the missile or diverted the missile away after being launched, when see that the target terrorists moved closely to civilian environment or got closer to crowd."

When did we see that?

Dear neoleft, Your lies are easy to debunk. The word "Palestine" was first used AFTER 100 A.d.
It has nothing to do with Arabs since "P" is not even a natural sound in Arabic.

You dont know who Americans Elwood Mead & George Perkins Marsh were!
#3

"Best known as a pioneering hydrologist, chief engineer of the Hoover dam, and creator of the Nevada lake named for him, Elwood Mead was dismayed by the devastation of 'Palestine's' countryside. Centuries of neglect and environmental abuse by indifferent Arab and ottoman owners had deforested the land and drained it of vital resources..."

This was in 1923 and he was talking about the area near Tel Avid / Jaffa, which would soon be transformed from desert land to agricultural paradise. The pictures don't lie either. German reconnaissance planes and Zeppelins took aerial photos in the 1930's which showed a completely empty "east" Jerusalem, another fabrication of the Arab attackers from TransJordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.

In 1850, the father of American Conservationism (that's someone who loves nature) "reflected on the pitiful state of the Holy Land, its hillsides long deforested, and soil drained by centuries of unchecked cultivation, overgrazing and neglect." While in Nazareth Marsh formulated the idea which would later become MAN AND NATURE, which called for government protection of wildlife and resources. This led to the creation of the Smithsonian.

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UN definition of a palestinian refugee:

"Palestine refugees are persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948 who lost their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the Arab-Israeli conflict"

Notice how they say ARAB-ISRAELI conflict and not "palestinian"?

How shall I school you and your distortions next Neoleft ?

It is far too easy to debunk your mental midget myths.

Dear CARPEVERITAS , Your lies are easy to debunk. The word "Palestine" was derived from the word Philistine. The map in the book used, "The Norton Anthology of World Literature," marks Israel in 1000 BCE as Palestine.

You are right that Palestine has nothing to do with Arabs since Palestinians are descendents not of Arabs but of the ancient Judeans, who later converted to Islam.
“ Elwood Mead was dismayed by the devastation of 'Palestine's' countryside”
Funnily enough, Mead’s observations had no basis in fact. Even the Zionist founders refuted his absurd claims. The region around Jaffa was already an agricultural paradise. And you;re right, the pictures don't lie either.

Here are some

This one from 1914. See any desert?
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d23428970b-pi

Any desert in this one?
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d245bd970b-pi

Does this produce look like it came from the desert?
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d24897970b-pi

I think we can safely put that Hasbara talking point to bed.

“Notice how they say ARAB-ISRAELI conflict and not "palestinian"?”

Notice how they say the ARAB-ISRAELI and not “Jewish”? Ooops!

Keep it coming. I eat Hasbarats like you for breakfast.

"Land is the most necessary thing for establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands. . . . we are bound in each case. . . to remove the peasants who cultivate the land." (Righteous Victims, p. 61)

In 1891Ahad Ha'Am similarly wrote of the Palestinians:

"If a time comes when our people in Palestine develop so that, in small or great measure, they push out the native inhabitants, these will not give up their place easily." (Righteous Victims, p. 49)

Soon after the first Zionist Congress in 1897, Basel (Switzerland), a Zionist delegation was sent to Palestine for a fact finding mission and to explore the viability of settling Palestine with European Jewry. The delegation replied back from Palestine with a cable:

"The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man." (Iron Wall, p. 3)