Friday, November 18, 2011 - 2:12 PM

If you've been paying attention -- and maybe even if you haven't -- you'll have noticed that U.S. strategic attention is shifting toward Asia. The United States has already moved the bulk of its naval deployments towards the Asia-Pacific and the Indian Ocean, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has stated that future defense cuts won't be felt in Asia, and the Obama administration announced the other day that it is sending 2,500 Marines to a new base in Australia. Today, we learn that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is going to visit Myanmar, a move clearly intended to encourage the military regime there to continue its recent reform efforts and to try to wean the government from Beijing's embrace.
This trend reflects several developments: 1) the recognition that Europe faces no significant security threats and thus doesn't need U.S. protection, 2) the failures in Iraq and Afghanistan, which have gradually convinced even die-hard liberal imperialists and a few neo-conservatives that using thousands of U.S. troops to do "nation-building" in the Middle East or Central Asia is a fool's errand; 3) Asia's growing economic importance, and 4) the widespread perception -- both in Washington and in the region -- that China's power is rising and needs to be countered by the United States (and others).
But why? Even some astute commentators are puzzled why Americans should care about Asian security. Writing on his blog over at the Daily Beast, Andrew Sullivan inquires:
What on earth are we doing adding a military base in Australia to piss off China? Why shouldn't China have a sphere of influence in the Pacific? ... I see no way that putting a base in Australia somehow defends the homeland of the United States. It does nothing of the kind. It just projects global power."
In fact, there is a perfectly sound realist justification for this strategic shift, and the clearest expression can be found in George F. Kennan's book American Diplomacy. Kennan argued that there were several key centers of industrial power in the world -- Western Europe, Japan, the Soviet Union, and the United States -- and that the primary strategic objective of the United States was to keep the Soviet Union from seizing any of those centers of power that lay outside its grasp. That's what containment was really all about, even if it was distorted and misapplied by people who thought areas like Indochina were critical.
More broadly, this logic reflects the realist view that it is to U.S. advantage to keep Eurasia divided among many separate powers, and to help prevent any single power from establishing the same sort of regional hegemony that the United States has long enjoyed in the Western hemisphere. That is why the United States eventually entered World War I (to prevent a German victory), and it is why Roosevelt began preparing the nation for war in the late 1930s and entered with enthusiasm after Pearl Harbor. In each case, powerful countries were threatening to establish regional hegemony in a key area, and so the United States joined with others to prevent this.
The point isn't a moral or ethical one: it is straightforward realpolitik. As long as the United States is the only great power in the Western hemisphere, it is much safer and doesn't have to worry very much about territorial defense. If you don't think this is important, ask Poland or any other country that has lots of powerful neighbors and has suffered from frequent invasions. And as long as Eurasia is divided among many contending powers, these states naturally tend to worry mostly about each other and not about us (except when we do stupid things, like invading Iraq). Instead, many Eurasian states have been eager for U.S. protection against local threats, which is why the United States has been able to lead successful and long-lived alliances in Europe and in Asia. In fact, it is the combination of enormous security here at home and compliant allies abroad that has enabled the United States to meddle in many corners of the world, sometimes to good purpose but often not.
Now consider what might happen if China had a "sphere of influence" in Asia akin to the U.S. position in the Western hemisphere. Not only would it be able to influence its neighbors' behavior in ways that we might find unpleasant, but it would also be much more secure at home and therefore able to focus more of its power on shaping events in far-flung areas. Given that China is going to be engaged in world markets and increasingly dependent on resources from all over the world, a prudent Chinese strategist would want to have the capacity to safeguard vital sea lines of communication and affect the political calculations in other key areas. And it will be much easier for Beijing to do that in the Persian Gulf or other vital areas if its immediate neighborhood is a sphere of influence from which outside powers -- and especially the United States -- are excluded, at least in terms of security commitments and military forces.
One can take this logic one step further. Once China established a secure sphere of influence, it would be easier for Beijing to forge closer political ties with countries in the Western hemisphere, some of whom have long resented U.S. dominance. It does not take a lot of imagination to see where this leads: for the first time since the 19th century, the United States might have to face the prospect of a rival great power with a significant military presence in the Western hemisphere. Recall that the Soviet attempt to place nuclear missiles in Cuba brought the two countries closer to war than at any other time during the Cold War, and you get an idea of the potential for trouble here.
Thus, for the United States to increase its military presence in Asia and to seek to reassure its current Asian allies is not just a way to "project global power." There is an underlying strategic rationale here, and one that to me makes far more sense than a lot of the other military missions we've indulged in over the past decade.
There are, of course, various counterarguments to the position I've just sketched. One could argue that nuclear weapons obviate the sort of geopolitical analysis I've just set forth, because neither the United States nor a much more powerful China would ever risk a nuclear exchange by actually using force against each other. Maybe so, but nuclear weapons didn't prevent the US and USSR from competing pretty energetically (and in lots of places) over four decades.
One could also argue, as Michael Beckley does in a forthcoming International Security article, (preliminary version here), that China's rise has been exaggerated and that its future prospects are less rosy than many analysts believe. He might be right, in which case this problem largely disappears. But until we know, prudence suggests hedging against the possibility that China will continue to grow more powerful and will seek to use that power to expand its sphere of interest and pressure other Asian states to distance themselves from Washington.
Or one could argue, as some have done in the past, that the Chinese and American economies are too tightly linked to one another to permit a serious military rivalry to emerge. Unfortunately, economic interdependence has never been a completely reliable barrier to security competition. Even if an intense rivalry would harm both countries, economics is not the only thing that matters to states and neither Washington nor Beijing can be sure that prudence and cool heads will always prevail. And this means that both are likely to hedge against the possibility of future trouble, even if this response may be somewhat self-fulfilling. And that means they will worry about their relative power and their geopolitical position and they will compete for influence in Asia. Obviously, 2,500 Marines won't make an objective difference to the balance of power, but they are an obvious a sign of the U.S. commitment to stay.
The bottom line is that there is a sound case for a gradual shift in strategic attention to Asia. This move should be accompanied by extensive diplomatic engagement with China and with our various Asian partners, to ensure that Beijing is not unduly alarmed and that our allies don't free-ride on us. As I've noted before, managing our Asian alliance ties is going to be a lot more difficult than managing NATO ever was (and it wasn't always easy), so I'm glad that the region is starting to get a lot more top-flight attention. Now if we can just liquidate some other commitments that don't seem to be paying off, or that don't contribute to our overall strategic position...
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Largely correct, but I think it does miss a few points that might not naturally occur to a realist political scientist (as well as a few that should).
In World War I the U.S wasn't threatened so much by a German victory as by the tactics Germany was using. It should be obvious to any realist or liberal that having your ships sunk by submarines and a nation trying to convince Mexico to go to war with you is hardly good for your interests. Additionally Wilson was trying to shape the future into something better, and I have to admit that he made a good start on it.
In East Asia our security concerns (as well as some Sino-phobia perhaps) are dominant but there's also the fact that we simply don't want an authoritarian state like China to dominate the region and threaten Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and other nations. Liberal and realist concerns can mingle.
*Sadly I have to admit that China is, in realist terms, fully justified in seeking greater security for its supplies. It's not pleasant when two nations are motivated by intelligent concerns to oppose each other.
This muddled article starts with the unrealistic claim that marines are being sent to a new base in Australia, and doesn't straighten up much thereafter. They're being sent to an existing Australian base.
Mr Walt also bypasses the reality America seems to be presenting a new military threat in a part of the world where China seems not to be presenting any military threat at all -- and the locals don't like it. The perfesser overlooks the complaint from Indonesia, Australia's nearest neighbor and not a state dominated from Beijing, within hours of the Obama announcement. Indonesia feels fondly to Mr Obama, who grew up there among other places. American militarism concerns them.
The Walt analysis seems to overlook the reality that China is spreading its influence throughout the Asia Pacific in the good old-fashioned American way -- by financial investment in huge amounts. The Chinese know they're short of many raw materials, and invest in them; . and the number-one priority for any Chinese leader remains the need to feed his nation. So huge investments are being made in agricultural companies in several nearby nations -- including Australia. Against this, the US seems to be starting something that could lead to the 21st century equivalent of the fabulously expensive and mainly useless present American military investment in Germany, 22 years after removal of the Soviet threat. And that would be one of the better possible outcomes.
Walt also ignores our belligerent first moves whether the oil embargo of Japan or the US ICBMs in Turkey that preceded the Cuban missiles. These weren't such noble or winning moves, whereas our economic entry into developing markets served the same, or better interests, with far less cost, and few unintended consequences.
Good analysis. One of China's weaknesses is its thirst for resources; in this way, it is similar to Japan around the beginning of the 20th century. China will never be a true superpower unless it can secure access to these resources; but many of them are far away, such as in South America, where China has been heavily investing in oil production. Yet our navy could, at any time, disrupt this supply. So, the temptation for China to try and secure resources closer to him will increase, just as it did with Japan. What this move seems to be saying to the Chinese is that if they want to get adventurous in trying to project power and secure resources, there is only one direction to go: north to Russia.
China is better positioned than us
You ignore the ample resources in Africa, Central Asia and in the Indonesian Archipelago.
Shanghai cooperative association
China does have a strategic option in the SCA. Basically this is an alliance between China, Russia, all of the Central Asian Republics and possibly in the near future Iran (with its new ally Iraq). This configuration should provide China with a reasonably secure energy source.
I hope the Chinese realize that all of the belligerent sounds coming out of Washington are just targeted to US public, to remind them of American exceptionalism, to take their minds off the ugly fact that we just lost the Iraq war and are losing in Afghanistan and that further we are facing a financial crises that could go on for decades.
If the Chinese realize this then they can just continue on with their policy of peaceful coexistence with the US, their policy of non-intervention in the internal affairs of other nations and aggressive business dealings. It will be a slow process but I think China will win more friends over time. America's aggressive policy of intervention in the internal affairs of other nations will continue to isolate us. Further, as our finances continue to deteriorate we will have fewer resources to buy friends.
That's the Shanghai Cooperative Organization, and the security provided isn't so certain. Russia and China has expressed clearly differing views on what shape it should take and the inclusion of India (which may very well happen soon) won't make things easier. Also Central Asia on its own isn't enough for China's needs.
You obviously have no idea of the natural gas reserves in Siberia, Kazakstan, Turkmenistan and Iran not to mention the crude oil potentials in those states. Don't talk nonsense. Are you just making this up thinking no one here will know the difference?
There is more to energy than natural gas and Central Asia is in no way certain to remain stable. If it was why would China be expending so much effort to secure water routes and constantly arguing over a deal for natural gas with Russia?
Of course China and Russia are involved in complex negotiations. Do not confuse those negotiations with confrontation. What the US is now doing is to force China and Russia into an alliance against the US. On Russia's western front is the threat of Nato moving into Georgia and the Ukrains while China is witnessing a move by the US build an alliance against China in the S. China Sea. It is only natural for them to come together into an anti US front. This alliance is now moving into the ME. The US has lost big time in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Shanghai Cooperative Association is the result of America's failure in the ME.
The point we should take from this is that if even Walt is correct and the US should focus its efforts on confronting China in East Asia, our defeat in the ME and Central Asia will work to undermine those efforts.
I happen to believe that even if the US succeeds in moving Australia into allowing the stationing of 2500 US Marines in Darwin, it seems only natural that since China buys more iron and other products from Australia will be more important.
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I never said that Russia and China were in a confrontation. You were the one to use those words. I simply pointed out that Russia and China were unable to agree on the terms of a deal despite years of negotiations. Interesting that you would call that naivete. Additionally I have not seen anything in the past decade to make me think that China and Russia are seriously considering an anti-American alliance.
The Chinese will not want to be too dependent on Russian supply - the Russians have used gas as a strategic tool before.
Once we give up in Afghanistan the Chinese will be able to access supply fron Iran overland and also have access to the port they built in Pakistan.
They'll do a deal with Russia as well but with better terms - the Russians need investment in eastern Russia.
Which relies, as I mentioned, on stability that has no guarantee of continuing. All of the issues in Central Asia are nothing compared to the problems of South Asia. Even if the Afghan Taliban decide not to target Chinese investments* there's still the matter of corruption, poor training, resentment of rich foreigners and the general problems war causes for construction. The region of Pakistan where a good deal, possibly most, of the resources will come from is also one that Pakistan is only really holding through military force and Pakistan in general is incredibly unstable. Furthermore the Taliban attack on the Pakistani port of Gwadar (which also threatened several Chinese technicians) has apparently convinced China to hold off on any bases in Pakistan for the near future**.
Russia is tricky but doable. Central Asia is tricky but probably will have more deals in the future (presuming political stability and continued peace between Russia and China). Afghanistan and Pakistan are dangerous, expensive, have no political stability and widespread insurgencies. As things stand, if I suggested to my government that we rely on either nation for energy supplies I would deserve to be fired. As things stand, China will have to rely on a mix of Central Asian and Russian land supplies and water-transported supplies from the Middle East and (possibly) the U.S.
Incidentally I made a mistake on my first comment. It's the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, not 'Cooperative'. Unimportant but embarrassing to make, especially when I corrected someone else on this in that comment.
*Which is not guaranteed, especially after a U.S pullout.
** See strongly contradicting statements by defense minister Ahmad Mukhtar and foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/27/world/asia/27beijing.html
Points taken.
Will the Chinese seek to go directly to Iran simply by going across the north of Afghanistan? Leaving the south to the Talliban and whoever actually, if anyone, runs Pakistan.
On Russian gas to China - that must be a temptation to South Korea. The Chinese could make that possible if it suited them.
The collapse of the USSR should teach us something important -- a world composed of a few regional power centers is much more stable than the kind of helter-skelter scene we now have.
Because such a world will see endless conflicts as the little ones seek to become big ones and outdo the others. Constant temptation by bigger powers to meddle. NATO now guarantees the independence of Latvia. So we'll fight a nuclear war if Russia invades?
The faster Russia re-establishes its sphere of influence, and China creates one, the easier it will be to create that "New World Order."
Turkey, Egypt and Iran may be setting up such a dominant alliance in the Mideast, sub-Saharan Africa sorely needs one or two such, and possibly Brazil is emerging in Latin America.
The US would remain a "Pacific Power" -- just as Britain is still an "Atlantic power," but China clearly should dominate Asia. China has the people, the economic heft and the scale to do so. And one question is conveniently already settled -- the central power in Asia will not be Japan.
Challenging them is stupid and against our long-range interests. We have nothing to lose if China wins the tussles with Japan and Vietnam over the disputed territories -- these are marginal, at best. And Taiwan needs to re-join the mainland.
A muti-polar world is fine, a schoolyard full of raucous children invites danger.
I don't know that the conclusion; a few powerful hegemons creates a more stable world, is shown by the collapse of the Soviet Union. Perhaps, what we are seeing today is the weakness of the Cold War structure. The US satraps are in turmoil, those are a vestige of the world you describe, not the brave new democratic world. I don't know, maybe I'm more American than most, maybe I agree with the neo-con's about democracy being an elixir for the world. (I certainly don't agree with their selective enforcement, or their Jim Crow, foreign hen-pecked elections that don't offer true democratic choices, with interests and agendas that serve their own people over foreign arrangements)
I think the world you describe inevitably leads to these abuses, the regional powers will make sure the lesser nations align themselves with big brother. A multi-polar world presents the possibility that nation's leaders can shop among suitors, and that provides more balance than the latter paradigm. I don't believe that a multi-polar world comes with any democratic guarantees, though nor does it ensure that we'll see a regional rush to arms over slight skirmishes. However, the multi-polar world does seem to create smaller skirmishes, as irregular alliances make diplomacy more intertwined, and odd bedfellows are more common.
Interesting debate certainly, I don't think the Chechen, Ukrainian, Georgian, Baltic, Central or South American people remember the Cold War as fondly as you do Arvay.
An excellent analysis by Prof. Walt under the prism of Realism.
Reading the article, I could not help it bringing in mind Paul Kennedy's "Rise and Fall of the Great Powers" or Thucydides "Peloponnesian War". What I am trying to say is that like all empires, the American will eventually decline (most analysts say that it is already) because of overstretching. What happened to the Athenian Empire after the Sicilian Expedition or the British Empire and many other examples. After 2008 and the huge economic blow that every country had, states should more careful with their.. strategic plans. Americans have one of the biggest debt in the world and domestically things are not going so well. During this period, Obama sets out to contain China, like it did with the USSR. But during the Containment years of the USSR, American economy (not always though) was at its peak. In the post-Cold War era a new adventure came along, the war on terror and US interventions in the Greater Middle East. After Osama bin Laden's death, the war on terrow started losing its significance and another doctrine should be made. US tries to contain the Asian Tiger, China by its moves in Asia and this can turn as a boomerang to it. Economy as it is right now and new expeditions in the other corner of the world brings to mind the failures of all the other Empires. US will decline because it cannot learn from history. Waking up the Tiger is not the wisest of moves by US...
Does US really have control over Western Hemisphere?
Militarily and economically, US is indeed the most powerful nation in the WH(and will remain so for a long time). But what do we mean by the US and exactly which people/group in the US wields most of that power? US used to be run by Anglo-Americans and Anglo-Americanized-whites. Today, it's essentially run by the globalist Jewish elites. Globalist Jewish elites harbor hostility toward and feel distrust of the white gentile majority and have been using their power to undermine the power of white gentiles. So, American power no longer means anything advantageous for white gentiles. Look at our broken borders. It's not US that is invading Latin American nations, but Latin American nations, especially Mexico, that is invading the US. If Americans are so powerful, how come we've been ineffectual against this invasive tide from Third World nations that's only been good for globalist Jews(to undermine white power), Democratic Party(looking for extra votes), and corporations(looking for cheap labor)?
Worse, affirmative action allows even illegal aliens from Latin American nations to receive preferential treatment in college admission and hiring over native whites. And the naval academy in Annapolis favors for officer training less qualified blacks and Hispanics over whites.
America may be the most powerful nation in the WH, but white gentiles are being outnumbered, castrated, and lobotomized by the globalist Jewish elites whose agenda is to subvert the power of the white gentile majority. When whites are just another minority, the Jewish globalist elites will play divide-and-rule among whites, blacks, and browns--with Asian professionals as their running dog stooges--just like British Imperialists played divide-and-rule among various ethnicities in India.
When so many white Americans have been denuded of their power, they must think nationally, not globally. They should realize that their main enemy is not China but globalist Jews. Now, not all Jews are not evil and venal, but around 80% of them are. Their agenda is to undermine and destroy the white race. Indeed, many prominent Jews have said as much, gleefully rubbing their hands for the day when whites are no longer the majority bloc in this country. No group is as enthusiastic about illegal immigration as the Jews are. It's not the Chinese who are invading America. It's the illegal masses from Latin America, who are being aided and abetted by the Jewish globalist elite that, with near total control of media and academia, hound and blacklist anyone who opposes out-of-control immigration as 'racist' and 'xenophobic'.
True, Chinese have made economic inroads into America, but why? Because the globalist cabal created the NWO economic system in the first place. Chinese joined what the Western globalists--many of them Jewish--created in theory and practice.
Also, China is less of a threat because there's no taboo against criticizing and bashing China and Chinese. No one denounces it as anti-sino-tism. Jews are far more dangerous because they cannot be critiicized. Any criticism of the venal power of Jews is denounced as 'antisemitic'. Things are worse now than during McCarthyism. Jewcarthyism will blacklist and destroy ANYONE who dares to criticize Jewish power or Zionist agenda.
So, why are we so worried about China? Chinese have no control over our government, media, academia, entertainment, etc. No, the people with such power and control are the globalist Jews. They gained elite power in America, and their main goal is the destruction of white American gentile power. What patriotic white Americans need to do is have some guts, wake up, stand up, and contain and counter Jewish globalist power.
50 yrs from now, it won't be the Chinese who'll be running this country. It will be Jews and the non-white majority made up mostly of blacks and Latinos--mostly Mexicans--whom the Jews will cleverly manipulate against whites. White people will have been robbed of their electoral power, economic power, and political power. Affirmative action will favor blacks and Latinos over whites, and Jews will play it for all its worth.
So, what does it mean for the US to be the dominant power in the WH when the people with all the power will be cunning globlalist Jews and masses of non-whites who will economically leech off whites via affirmative action and welfare?
racist and anti-semitic. You could just as logically blame golfers. But, somehow I doubt Glenn Greenwald, Uri Averny and other Jewish advocates for peace, and justice are part of that cabal. If you agree, then you need to purge the racial and other bright lines you're trying to draw. I see Israel and our Military Industrial Complex as serving the same end, and plenty of WASPS are doing forceful advocacy not for Jews, but because they are either venal or true believers. You really miss much when you paint with such a broad brush.
Article is mostly a Non Sequitur
Normally I am a great admirer of Professor Walt's bolgging and usually in agreement with his realist perspective, (although I do sympathize more with liberal "adventurism" then Walt). This outing however leaves me scrathing my head a little.
Somewhere here the leap is made from China establishing a regional sphere of influence, (which in all honesty is already in existence) including securing access to global energy resources, to a rival power military presence on America's doorstep. I think the logic used in making this leap is too heavily drawing from America's "Imperial" model of securing resources by militarily propping up illegitimate governments who need to supress civil unrest to maintain power.
The majority of the western hemisphere is a far way off from importing Chinese military bases to keep energy resources safe from local rebels, (what nations do lean that way are already happy with their Washington patrons). Essentially for the emerging financial superpower that is China securing resources from the America's will be more a business matter then a security issue, oil and other natural resources can be bought from Canada without soldiers in Vancouver.
As long as America stops ignoring the continued plight of Latin American governments overwhelmed by drug cartels the western hemisphere should remain free of the need for added asian security. The 2,500 Marines in Australia would be much better placed in Mexico.
For whatever reason or reasons, many in the West embrace the idea that China and the Chinese people are INEVITABLY the US's enemy. In a recent speech trying to paint China as a potential aggressor, Johan Mearsheimer had recently lamented the following.
"The picture I had painted here if China continues its impressive
economic growth is not a pretty one, indeed it is down right depressing."
The above reveals a deep seated but so far unjustified belief was that China and its people are the enemy. Hence China continues its impressive economic growth and 1.3 billion Chinese people having better lives are depressing to him.
walt supports anything that...
anything that offers even the glimmer of hope that the US will abandon israel and the ME.
be careful what you wish for...
as for andreamerciless...honey, you need to lay off the sauce...your conspiracy theories are frankly, laughable.
We are not at war with China, we ARE at war with islam
get it straight obie...stop using slick PR to shift your alliances. We all know what you're up to...
putting troops into south asia and australia will only provoke china...this is NOT a sensible foreign policy initiative.
Prof. Walt, you describe yourself as a "realist" and you claim that Obama's Asia policy makes sense from a realist perspective. I apologize if I have overlooked you discussing the following somewhere: What are the US's real, fundamental interests? What is all that power projection, strategizing, balancing etc. getting the US in terms of its real interests? What sense does it make to project power to protect a status quo that if you look at it soberly is fundamentally disadvantageous for the US? What sense does playing superpower make if you are doing absurdly badly in terms of your trade balance, especially but not only with China?
If power is the ability to get something below market price - an incomplete, yet sensible definition -, what does the US get below market price for all its power? What sense does it make to ostensively protect your energy supply - at great cost - if you could achieve a high and completely sufficient degree of energy independence comparatively easily, at much lesser cost? And other important materials - they all have a world market price. You are not getting them much more cheaply for being closer to the sources. And China controls some of the most crucial ones anyway: rare earths. Would it not make much more sense to move fast to develop the resources in US soil?
To me, your so-called "realism" seems to be about looking more coolly at the nature of the mechanisms and structures of international relations - which I appreciate, otherwise I would not read your blog -, but in the end it seems to aim only at better playing the great game for the sake of it.
I would greatly appreciate if you took a step back and discussed what the primary goals of US policy should be, as opposed to seconday ones. Containing China is a secondary (i.e. not of lesser importance, but derivative) goal.
Great article but missing a vital point
To quote some parts from my book:
That is what differentiates America from China nowadays. By emphasizing security above all else traditional realists (and American foreign policy analysts) have neglected what made America great – business, economics, innovation and entrepreneurship. Military power is but an expression of this foundation.
The Chinese have gone to lengths to learn from the fall of the Soviet Union in terms of their polity and party politics. The Americans would be similarly well-advised to study the Soviet Union for lessons in terms of prioritizing between economics and politics – and military overstretch. Interestingly enough current Russian President Medvedev’s pursuit of modernization and technology transfer has caused what is being touted by some a sensational shift in Russian foreign policy, this new line of thinking shows a remarkable level of pragmatism by stating that ‘Russia should have no friends, or enemies, only interests.’
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Crucially America is once again fortunate as due to geography it has leverage over China. It can operate in what China might consider to be its ‘backyard.’ And there are many options to boot as well. America is blessed in that it only really needs to take of its Southern border with Mexico, being protected by two oceans to the East and West and Canada on its North. China needs to deal with neighbours as varied as Afghanistan, Russia and North Korea.
The Pacific Rim is open to US engagement and countries are fully aware of the benefits - such as the provision of public goods like security of sea lanes – that America has brought to the table. This is a dangerous situation as even well-intentioned American behaviour and sensible demands for American support can be perceived as a renewed containment strategy by hardliners in Beijing.
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What China does is to systematically leverage its position in other areas. As an example, to China foreign policy on Iran is directly related to commercial relations with America. Regardless of their own interests in Iran, why would they make concessions to America when they can use the Iran case time and time again during trade negotiations?
Based on this excerpts I would say that, yes, it is understandable and makes perfect sense for the US to engage in East Asia but at the same time we should count on China making inroads into what are traditionally considered US-aligned countries.
Nixon-Kissinger embrace has come back to haunt U. S.
Even though Stephen Walt does NOT acknowledge it, Nixon-Kissinger’s embrace of China has come back to haunt U. S. with vengeance.
It was called a stroke of genius in 1972 when Nixon-Kissinger embraced China to counter Soviet Union.
But U. S. did NOT stop there. U. S. decided to give China a much bigger role in world affairs by accepting China as a UNSC member and by inviting China to become the manufacturing hub of the world.
China was a pariah country in the world just like today’s North Korea until Nixon’s 1972 visit. All the West European and East Asian countries stayed away from China following the US lead until 1972 and embraced China after Nixon’s visit. While US would not give MFN status to Soviet Union (remember Jackson-Vanik amendment?) unless Russia shed Communism, it had no problem giving it to China’s Communist dictators with a capitalist mask. Trade with China expanded by leaps and bounds during 12 years of Republican rule beginning in 1981. After campaigning against butchers of Beijing in 1992 elections, even Bill Clinton became enthusiastic supporter of trade with China once he took lessons in foreign policy from Nixon in early 1993 during a special Whitehouse-arranged meeting.
Had it not been for that Nixon embrace in 1972, China’s rise to super power status would have been far more slower with all the US, West European and East Asian markets closed to cheap Chinese products. Had it not been for that Nixon embrace, China’s technological progress would have been far slower in the absence of West’s technology transfers. Had it not been for that Nixon embrace, China’s military progress would have been far slower in the absence of huge forex reserves that China accumulated from the massive exports of cheap Chinese products and China used those forex reserves to acquire latest military technology.
As such U. S. has strengthened Communist Party’s hold on Chinese society by embracing Mao’s China - that embrace has afforded Communist Party to create millions of jobs for its hungry masses, replacing the frustrations of poverty that could ignite mass revolt. Even 1989 Beijing massacre did NOT stop democratic U. S. to divorce Communist China, China had already become that important to U. S. economy by that time.
Little could Mao or Deng have imagined that by wearing a capitalist mask, their followers will beat capitalists at their own game. Lenin used to say that ’capitalists will sell us the ropes with which we will hang them’. With West selling such proverbial ropes in the form of technology transfers, Chinese Communists have proven that Lenin saying quite prophetic.
Vietnam never got an embrace from the US and trading well. There are a slew of other Asian Tigers that didn't get the favors that China got, and they've exploded as well. These smaller nations don't have the vast land wealth that China has. Perhaps you forget that China had the world's largest GDP a mere century ago, and held that for centuries.
Dear Stephen Walt,
thank you for your funny analysis. So it's about containment of China.
As we all know the Australian budget and economic growth became during the latest decade highly dependent on Chinese investments and exports to China. As a result from this economic ties Australia is going more and more in direction of China-friendly policies despite a still strong media campaign from Australias friends of the US.
What I haven't managed yet to understand is: how 2.500 US-marines will prevent China from further investing in Australian mines and getting political leverage by these investments on Australia?
Of course, China views the stationing of marines in Australia with media publicly declaring it's directed against China as intentional unfriendly behaviour by the US. So, of course, China is expected to respond.
If I understand it right, Xinhua just published the Chinese response under the headline:
"China likely to see trade deficit in two years: central bank advisor"
So, China is planning to have trade deficits to develop rural China regions. Fine for the China's economy and the world economy, the fast development of rural China will give it surely a boost. It means, China will buy a lot of commodities: energy, metals, minerals and things like these. Fine for those who sell those things, like Australia, Iran, Russia and many Asian allies. Prices of commodities will probably rise, but China has the money to pay, and hundreds of milions of poor people in rural China don't want to wait with the development of their livelyhood.
Pity for the U.S., that it doesn't have much to contribute the development of rural China, so it might not have much of the boom. To calculate with trade deficits to finance rural development means, China will have to finance the trade deficit. There is a very logic way to do this: sell off some savings like foreign debt bonds. As China holds mostly US goverment bonds, it's likely China will sell some of those to finance it's planned trade deficits. Pity for the US. When the US wants to sell bonds to finance it's deficit, China will not buy, but sell US bonds at the same time.
As I see it, the whole scenario brings good growths perspective to China and it's partners, while in the same time bringing bad growth perspectives to the U.S. Of course, China has the option to develop rural China slow and therefore be able to use running trade surpluses to finance it. Of course, that option would be much better for the US economy.
But why should China bother to behave in such a friendly way to the US, if the US openly seeks ways to contain China - or bring China down as Jon Huntsman put it?
As I see it if the US thinks it's time for egoistic behaviour in Asia, the US will surely be pleased to get back some of it's own medicine.
A very thoughtful analysis by Stephen Walt. There are two additional points, which makes it more likely that a "hot" confrontation will happen.
China actually believes that it is the center of the universe....in some ways, like the US. This will make any kind of compromise very difficult.
Secondly, the Chinese have the "bad emperor" problem. One leader runs the show, and if the leader happens to be a certain type (e.g. Mao) a little bloodshed does not count for much. If an arrogant China anoints the wrong leadership, their threshold for war may be low.
I am glad we are refocusing.....about time!
I guess for me the main issue is that I do not see China as being a threat. Unlike the Soviet Union(or even Nazi Germany and Pre-WWII Japan for that matter) the economies of the US and China are mostly interconnected and complementary. The US and USSR economies were in opposition -- there was nothing they sold that we wanted.
I also think that the USSR posed an ideological danger to the US and the West. There were people in the US and the West who wanted the Soviet system to be victorius (today, we call those people "professors"). I doubt there is anyone in the West other then Thomas Friedman who views the Chinese system as a model for our own system.
John Derbyshire who grew up in post WWII England sees a parallel in the debate then there and the debate here now. Instead of "East of Suez" we might hear "West of Guam".
But, much of the manufacturing that China is doing may well be coming back to the US. Trade with China, where China makes cheap crap is hard to justify. With transport costs, Chinese production is not competitive, especially with the compromise of intellectual property. So, we'll see. But, increasingly the US looks jealously at those cheap factories in China, and with the economic situation and the deflation that will result from the austerity budgets in the West, we could see an economic retrenchment and a return to protectionism and economic nationalism.
Perhaps, but that is not the situation today. As I said, I view the USSR as having been primarily an ideological threat. The purpose of US policy in the Cold War was to give stiffening to those willing to stand against the Soviets, who had an admitedly terrible ideology but one which was, by all accounts, one with a lot of appeal to a significant number of people. China does not pose this threat.
Perhaps, but that is not the situation today. As I said, I view the USSR as having been primarily an ideological threat. The purpose of US policy in the Cold War was to give stiffening to those willing to stand against the Soviets, who had an admitedly terrible ideology but one which was, by all accounts, one with a lot of appeal to a significant number of people. China does not pose this threat.
"and it is why Roosevelt began preparing the nation for war in the late 1930s and entered with enthusiasm after Pearl Harbor. In each case,"
Of course you know this is wrong. We levied a heavy oil embargo against Japan that so threatened their industry that many jurist at the Asian equivalent of the Nuremberg Tribunals found Japan justified in attacking us. BECAUSE AN EMBARGO, IS AN ACT OF WAR!.
Then you blame the Cuban missile crisis on the Soviets. But, couldn't our placement of ICBMs in Turkey be cited as the first offense? You've offered a specious case here. Regardless of your rationale, I agree with your conclusion. Or, perhaps you agree with me, but have yet to articulate the solution that I have, AN INTERNATIONALIZED NAVY. You offer generalities, I offer innovative policies.
I think you owe me at least the occasional h/t (hat tip) Don't worry, the MBA students from Harvard, Wharton, Columbia, Kellogg/NW, and Stanford couldn't debate economics with me either. I think perhaps you're in too much of a self serving world, where utter sophism is heavily funded and actually holds currency in salons where it has no place. But, there's no shortage of sycophantic sophists eager for their turn at the reigns. No one could touch Diogenes physically nor logically, but since he sought and served the truth, he lived in a barrel. That is a mark of earnestness, and wealth and position a mark of compromised logic and ethics.
Would an American realist be opposed to a successful EU?
"this logic reflects the realist view that it is to U.S. advantage to keep Eurasia divided among many separate powers, and to help prevent any single power from establishing the same sort of regional hegemony that the United States has long enjoyed in the Western hemisphere. "
I see the logic in this from a strategic point of view and ignoring morality (not that I think one should ignore this). But wouldn't this mean that the US would NOT see an interest in the EU becoming some sort of functioning state? There have been talks about using the current crisis there to reform the EU and make it more democratic. It also seems clear that the dominant power in Europe is, irony of ironies, the twice defeated Germany. Would realist thinking compel the US to seek to prevent a more effective EU?
Costs vs. Benefits of the US role in global security
I would feel much better about supporting an expanded role for US power extension in Asia if the argument could be made that the benefits were worth the expenses in American lives and treasure.
Have credible studies been done which show that the tangible and intangible pros of maintaining forces in other countries (e.g. arms sales, foreign policy leverage) outweigh the tangible and intangible cons (e.g budgetary debits, political blowback) of the strategy?
The ideological side of me recoils at the thought of paying to defend wealthy countries like Korea, Japan, and Singapore while at the same time we run up trade deficits with them. But the realist side of me is willing to be convinced by hard data demonstrating that the guns are worth the butter spent.
The Walt analysis seems to overlook the reality that China is spreading its influence throughout the Asia Pacific in the good old-fashioned American way -- by financial investment in huge amounts. The Chinese webhostingplay know they're short of many raw materials, and invest in them; . and the number-one priority for any Chinese leader remains the need to feed his nation.
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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