Friday, February 10, 2012 - 5:36 PM

Paul Pillar has a great piece up at The National Interest that illuminates just how nutty the present debate about war with Iran really is. And it got me thinking.
If a sensible Martian came down to Earth and looked at the sabre-rattling about Iran, I suspect he/she/it would be completely flummoxed. For our Martian visitor would observe two very capable states -- the United States and Israel -- threatening to attack a country that hardly seems worth the effort. The U.S. and Israel together spend more than $700 billion each year on their national security establishments; Iran spends about $10 billion. The U.S. and Israel have the most advanced military hardware in the world; Iran's weapons are mostly outdated and lack spare parts. The U.S. and Israeli militaries are well-educated and very well-trained; not true of Iran. The United States has thousands of nuclear weapons and Israel has several hundred, while Iran has a vast arsenal of … zero. Iran does have a nuclear enrichment program (which is the reason for all the war talk), but the most recent National Intelligence Estimates have concluded that Iran does not presently have an active nuclear weapons program. The United States has several dozen military bases in Iran's immediate vicinity; Iran has exactly none in the Western hemisphere. The United States has powerful allies in every corner of the world; Iran's friends include a handful of minor nonstate actors like Hezbollah or minor-league potentates like Bashar al Assad (who's not looking like an asset these days) or Hugo Chávez.
Moreover, the United States has fought four wars since 1990. It has bombed, invaded or occupied a half dozen countries in that period, leading to the deaths of thousands of people. Israel has been colonizing the West Bank since 1967, it invaded and occupied much of Lebanon from 1982 to 1999, and its armed forces pummeled Lebanon again in 2006 and Gaza in 2008-09. Prominent U.S. politicians have repeatedly called for "regime change" in Iran, and U.S. government officials now report that Israel has been murdering civilian scientists in Iran, in cahoots with the MEK, a terrorist organization that is still on the State Department's terrorist "watchlist." Iran's past conduct is far from pure, but it has done nothing remotely similar in recent years.
In fact, given the various threats now facing Tehran, our Martian friend might have trouble explaining why Iran's leaders hadn't gone all-out to get themselves some sort of WMD, merely as a deterrent. And yet it is the United States and Israel that profess themselves to be terribly, terribly worried about the supposed "threat" from Iran, and who are contemplating a preventive war that most observers realize would strengthen Iran's nuclear ambitions and could only delay its program for a couple of years.
Let's be clear: There's nothing to like about the current Iranian regime -- to include its clerical rulers, its buffoonish president, and the various thugs that keep the regime in power -- and I for one am very glad I live here and not there. Nonetheless, our Martian observer might have a lot of trouble figuring out why politicians in Washington and Jerusalem were so scared. In fact, he might very reasonably conclude that both states were losing all sense of perspective, and allowing the worst sort of worst-case analysis to cloud their thinking and cut off useful avenues of diplomatic engagement. And given that the United States likes to think of itself as the "leader of the free world" and is normally expected to exercise sound judgment on a host of complex issues, that possibility is not reassuring.
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That hardly seems fair since that Martian observer (if they observed the same basic understanding of politics and power relations) could just as easily decide that the nuclear nations would have a vested interest in preventing non-nuclear nations from rising to the same status, especially considering the success of strikes in Syria (2007) and Iraq (in the 1980s). There may be good reasons to avoid it if possible but the situation is not black and white.
The Situation IS Black and White
In Jan. 2012, both Panetta (on Face The Nation) and Clapper (in a Congressional hearing) said IRAN DOES NOT POSSESS A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
Iran is a signatory to the N.P.T. which permits the development of a nuclear program and is pursuing that same right as other signatory-nations have pursued.
These are facts - this is as black and white as it can get.
Syria also did not possess nuclear weapons in 2007. The opinion of the investigation that followed was that the building bombed by Israel could have no realistic purpose other than to produce the material for those weapons. This is not the type of situation where strikes will automatically fail or succeed in their goal. I'm against them, but not willing to dismiss them out of hand.
Nor did Iraq posess nkes whrn Osirak was hit
In fact, while the commong belief is that the bombing of Osirak (a research reactor) was some great success, it was actually a blunder. The attack only convinced Saddam that he needed nukes to prevent it happening again - alas, that is how Iraq's nuclear weapons program began.
The Wikileaks stuff is critical
Evidence of Persian aggression is present in multiple cables. Cause of trepidation by Sunni government: Iran >>> Israel. "Octopus" references by Sunni government concern Iran, not Israel. So true is this that a Mr. Duff has proclaimed Wikileaks part of a Zionist conspiracy. Interesting would be "realist" position on Wikileaks. Does Prof. Walt view the Wikileaks fiasco a CIA-Mossad conspiracy?
>> The real thing, from Prof. Walt's opinion, was that which he & Prof. Mearsheimer plagiarized from Rep. Duke's JEWISH SUPREMACISM, MY AWAKENING TO THE JEWISH QUESTION.
That's a blatant lie. W&M's book was peer reviewed, so any plagiarism would have been revealed during that process.
>> The least Prof. Walt could have done was to footnote his text, in the usual fashion, to avoid charges of plagiarism.
What proof do you have that any plagiarism even took place?
That's right. None!
Evidence of Persian aggression?
>> The Wikileaks stuff is critical
Evidence of Persian aggression is present in multiple cables.
There is no such evidence. The cables reveal paranoia on the part of Sunni dictators, nothing more.
Neoleft, from JEWISH SUPREMACISM MY AWAKENING ON THE JEWISH QUESTION, in 2001-2002 (both dates are listed as being copyright of the text):
The Jewish Lobby is the one lobby in Washington that no American politician dares to forthrightly oppose. It should disturb any patriotic American to think that the most powerful lobby in America's congress is in the service of a foreign nation.
From THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY, p. 2:
The U.S. national interest should be the primary object of American foreign policy. For the past several decades, however, and especially since the Six Day War in 1967, the centerpiece of U.S. Middle East policy has been its relationship with Israel. The combination of unwavering U.S. support for Israel and the related effort to spread democracy throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardized U.S. security.
This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the United States been willing to set aside its own security in order to advance the interests of another state? One might assume that the bond between the two countries is based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives. As we show below, however, neither of those explanations can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the United States provides to Israel.
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Assuredly, four years is plenty of time for Prof. Walt | Mearsheimer to have acquired knowledge of the contents of Rep. Duke's text. This is plagiarism.
The President of Iran has a most powerful weapon at his command which both the Zionists in Israel and the US fear more than the devil holy water.
He questions the the holocaust, claims it's a hoax, and has the courage to say so in public. Something that no Western statesman dares for fear of the Jews.
If they were responsible for the Beirut bombing, it was a bombing of Military uniformed troops in a foreign country, occupying part of Lebanon during an active Civil war.
What do people expect!! I understand people who lost friends being angry, but I do not understand the permanent harking back to armed campaign on both sides 40 years ago.
They are arming the "legitimate" Government of Syria while it puts down a rebellion some of which is armed, Russia is arming them as well and while Syria does seem to be worse than the Bahrain crushing of their own rebellion, Bahrain is ignored as they are "our" Arabs.
Yes they were involved in attacking and killing uniformed armed members of the US Armed Forces who had invaded and were occupying a foreign country in Iraq, again I do not understand the shock horror of some people, to the response that if we invade somewhere some people might fight back.
'Slain Iranian Nuclear Scientist’s Goal: Annihilate Israel'
From Commentary Magazine's 'Contentions' Weblog
February 22, 2012
Slain Iranian Nuclear Scientist’s Goal: Annihilate Israel
By Jonathan S. Tobin
If Iran’s goal is to convince the world its nuclear program is not aimed at creating a weapon to use against Israel, it’s going about it the wrong way. Tehran’s government-run Farsi News Agency has published an interview with the widow of one the nuclear scientists who was recently killed under mysterious circumstances that most observers believe is the work of Israel’s Mossad or some group in its employ. But rather than attempt to tug at the heartstrings of the West or to convince the world her husband was innocent of any intention of using his work to attack the Jewish state, Fatemeh Bolouri Kashani’s statement will have quite the opposite effect.
FARS News Agency
Wife of Assassinated Scientist: Annihilation of Israel "Mostafa's Ultimate Goal"
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010175602
According to Kashani, her late husband, Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan Behdast, a chemistry professor and a deputy director of commerce at Natanz uranium enrichment facility until he was killed last month, had strong feelings about his work: “Mostafa’s ultimate goal was the annihilation of Israel.”
Though Iran’s apologists continue to attempt to cast doubt on intelligence sources that have made clear the regime’s goals, what comes out of Tehran continues to feed the world’s fears about the ayatollahs’ intentions. The piece described the late scientist as a “martyr” for Iran. But what is striking about this and other Iranian accounts of the men targeted for assassination because of their work on Iran’s efforts to acquire nuclear weapons is the regime’s lack of interest in trying to prove the victims were working on peaceful uses of nuclear power. It is to be expected that all those speaking to the government-run press in Iran must pay lip service to the regime’s obsession with Israel, but the widow’s statement merely acknowledges what is common knowledge in Iran and elsewhere. Israel remains the focus of the Islamist government’s hate and is the ultimate target of any weapon their scientists can produce.
While some have characterized Israel’s alleged role in the assassinations of Iran’s nuclear scientists as terrorism, the regime makes little secret of their desires. Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei recently said, “The Zionist regime is a cancerous tumor and it will be removed.” When placed in that perspective, any person who was dedicated to Israel’s destruction and who was active in a program whose goal is to place a nuclear weapon in the hands of such a person as Khamenei is committing a crime and should be dealt with in the same manner with which the Obama administration dispatches al-Qaeda terrorists. The targeted killing of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan Behdast is no different than the terrorists marked for death by American missiles.
--Posted By Jonathan S. Tobin, 02 - 22 - 2012, 4:59 PM
Copyright Commentary Magazine 1997-2012 All Rights Reserved
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/02/22/iranian-scientist-goal-annihilate-israel/
Iran’s Terrible Rationality (By Rich Lowry, NRO)
National Review Online
February 24, 2012
Iran’s Terrible Rationality
A highly ideological leadership with a sense of desperate urgency is the enemy of deterrence.
By Rich Lowry
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, thinks that Iran is a “rational actor.” He is indisputably correct.
Iran has, quite rationally, concluded that if it spins thousands of centrifuges to enrich enough uranium, it will soon have the bomb. Just as rationally, it believes it can string the West along. Then there is its airtight chain of cause and effect in the alleged plot against the Saudi ambassador to the United States: If it hired a Mexican drug gang, and that gang blew up a Washington, D.C., restaurant, and the Saudi ambassador was dining there at the time, the ambassador would die. Q.E.D.
General Dempsey said too little and too much about the Iranian regime. Tehran couldn’t have made itself into the world’s foremost exporter of terror and extended its tentacles throughout the Middle East without resorting to rational calculation. That’s obvious. What Dempsey is implying, though, is that a regime capable of such calculation can necessarily be deterred if it gets a nuclear weapon. That’s an unsupportable leap.
If there’s one thing we should have established beyond doubt during the past decade, it is that involvement in terror attacks on American soil is extremely costly to the perpetrators. Nonetheless, according to the U.S. government, the Iranians hatched a plot against the Saudi ambassador where the risk bore no relation whatsoever to the possible reward — from our perspective.
More fundamentally from our perspective, there is no point in establishing a theocracy, killing innocents abroad, pursuing sectarian war, crushing protesters, denying the Holocaust, and threatening Israel with annihilation, either. From the point of view of the Western liberal tradition, the Islamic Republic itself makes no sense. Yet there it is, withstanding punishing economic sanctions to pursue the weapon that the regime wouldn’t want in the first place if it accepted international norms.
If the Soviets, the famous “evil empire” bristling with thousands of nuclear weapons, could be deterred, why not Iran? The Soviet leadership became more pragmatic over time. After Nikita Khrushchev renounced Josef Stalin, it didn’t believe that war with its enemies was imminent and inevitable. Iran’s religio-ideological fire, in contrast, is still burning hot.
A highly ideological leadership with a sense of desperate urgency is the enemy of deterrence. In 1941, Dean Acheson rightly said: “No rational Japanese could believe an attack on us could result anything but disaster.” Except the Japanese — driven by a sense of honor alien to us — believed that they only had two choices: getting squeezed out of China by the U.S., or launching a risky war.
Even in the Cold War, deterrence almost failed. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the airstrike and invasion pushed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff might well have unwittingly prompted a nuclear exchange. The defense secretary at the time, the late Bob McNamara, maintained that “we lucked out.” Ah, yes, that crucial backstop to deterrence — luck.
The Israelis can be forgiven for not feeling very lucky. Do we think Israeli prime minister Bibi Netanyahu and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei will establish a “red telephone” to smooth out misunderstandings after Iran goes nuclear? The Iranian regime is factionalized, and it is sure to be the most fanatical elements that control the nukes. It is also prone to bouts of popular unrest threatening its existence. If the regime ever believes it is going down, national martyrdom might look gloriously alluring.
In March 1945, Adolf Hitler gave his infamous Nero Decree, essentially calling for the destruction of Germany. After the first U.S. atomic attack on Hiroshima, the Japanese war minister mused about how wonderful it would be if his nation were destroyed “like a beautiful flower.” It is in this tradition that former Iranian president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani — a relative pragmatist — said that “even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything. However, it will only harm the Islamic world. It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality.”
On his own perverse terms, Rafsanjani’s reasoning is unassailable. He’s just another “rational actor.”
— Rich Lowry is the editor of National Review. He can be reached via e-mail: comments.lowry@nationalreview.com. © 2012 by King Features Syndicate
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/291862/iran-s-terrible-rationality-rich-lowry
Clinton on an Iran Attack: 'Obliterate Them'
Note: No Iranian is pro-American, but they are anti-Ahmadinejad
April 22, 2008
Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on "Good Morning America" Tuesday. ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.
"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said.
"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
most hypothetical of hypotheticals
Ahmedinejhad is much more popular in Iran than the US media lets on. Before the last election two polls were conducted by the BBC. One two weeks before the vote and the other on the eve of the vote--both had Ahmedinijhad winning the election.
Now, contrast that reality with the US support for the terrorist group MEK. Add to that Israeli support for the terrorist group. Beyond that, imagine the myopic perspective our "democracy promotion" groups would have. Most likely operating in cloistered bubbles in the a few Iranian cities. Well guess what, Brooklyn and the US at large are quite different. It would be hard to expand any conclusions from the US's top cities to the demos at large.
Add to that that Iran has no nuclear weapons. Iran knows that nukes could only be a deterrent from invasion, not a weapon they could deploy against Israel. Iran could as successfully launch massive suicide missions, or lob their entire arsenal against Israel if they were as irrational and suicidal as you suggest.
You offer no wisdom, no facts, no insight. You arguments are foolish and show you to be a sophistic clown. Keep it up, and there will be no doubt about the feebleness of your analysis.
"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran"
The words a Mafia Don would use.
Why can one person, the president, now run around the world ordering "Hits" ?
The United States government is now showing its true colors: The highest form of organized crime on the face of the earth today.
U.S. Military Losses If Iran Is Attacked
It seems remarkable that given the extensive discussion regarding a possible attack on Iran that no one in the MSM ever discusses the potential US military losses should such an attack should occur.
On various sites, several posters with military-technology knowledge have indicated that Iran possesses anti-ship missiles for which the US Navy HAS NO DEFENCE and if that is correct, then the US getting a carrier group out of harm's way in the Persian Gulf (a "pond" in terms of anti-ship weapons) would be essential as a prelude to an attack that would involve Iranian retaliation. Even with the carrier groups removed, all US ships in the Gulf, naval or civilian, would face destruction and the massive loss of lives, perhaps into the thousands.
For anyone doubting the deadliness of anti-ship missiles, please be reminded of the necessity of the British navy having to withdraw from the coast of Argentina when they were struck by missiles for which they had no defence - the Argentinians had a few Exocets and sank two ships - the Iranians have thousands of them.
As this appears to be the definitive article re the Iranian anti-ship missile capability, I recommend it for its careful analysis:
http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm
The Iranians can't compete with the US or Israeli military in the air, so they have focused their resources where they can do the most damage, i.e. anti-ship missiles, and that damage in the Gulf could exceed the casualties of Iraq and Afghanistan combined if a carrier group was trapped in the Gulf - there are 7000 seamen on a carrier.
The Pentagon always mentions its "reservations" about an Israeli attack, but the details of the loss of life and vessel destruction are never spelled out definitively
Iran’s Final Solution For Israel (By Andrew Bostom, NRO)
From National Review Online
February 10, 2012
Iran’s Final Solution for Israel
Persian Shiite anti-Semitism is deep-seated and points to genocide.
By Andrew Bostom
Reza Khalili (pseudonym), a former CIA operative in Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, has reported the latest restatement of the Iranian Shiite theocracy’s Jew-annihilationist jihadism:
Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification’ to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”
The article, written by Alireza Forghani, an analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.
Putatively (and perversely), these genocidal pronouncements are a “response” to Israel’s own planned efforts to thwart Iran’s longstanding, repeatedly expressed desire to destroy the Jewish state and “Zionists” (i.e., non-dhimmi Jews) in general. Shiite Iran’s obsessive calls for the destruction of Israel and the mass murder of Jews are driven by a deeply rooted theological Islamic anti-Semitism.
Past As Prologue
The Mujtahids [authoritative interpreters of Islamic law] and Mulla are a great force in Persia and concern themselves with every department of human activity from the minutest detail of personal purification to the largest issues of politics.
The Persianophilic scholar E. G. Browne wrote those words in the 1920s about the entire pre-Pahlavi period of Shiite theocratic rule, from the ascension of the first Safavid shah, Ismail I, at the outset of the 16th century through Reza Shah Pahlavi’s installation in 1925, at the end of the Qajar dynasty. These Shiite clerics emphasized the notion of the ritual uncleanliness (najis) of Jews in particular, but also of Christians, Zoroastrians, and others, as the cornerstone of relations toward non-Muslims. The impact of this najis conception was already apparent to European visitors to Persia during the reign of Ismail I. The Portuguese traveler Tome Pires observed (between 1512 and 1515) that “Sheikh Ismail . . . never spares the life of any Jew,” while another European travelogue notes “the great hatred [Ismail I] bears against the Jews.”
The writings and career of Mohammad Baqer al-Majlisi elucidate the imposition of Islamic law (Sharia) on non-Muslims in Shiite Iran. Al-Majlisi (d. 1699) was perhaps the most influential cleric of the Safavid Shiite theocracy in Persia. For six years at the end of the 17th century, he functioned as the de facto ruler of Iran, making him the Ayatollah Khomeini of his era. By design, he wrote many works in Persian to disseminate key aspects of the Shia ethos among ordinary persons. In his Persian treatise “Lightning Bolts Against the Jews,” Al-Majlisi describes the standard humiliating requisites for non-Muslims living under sharia, first and foremost the blood-ransom jizya, or poll-tax, based on Koran 9:29.
He then enumerates six other restrictions relating to worship, housing, dress, transportation, and weapons, before outlining the unique Shiite impurity or najis regulations. It is these latter najis prohibitions which lead anthropology professor Laurence Loeb — who studied and lived within the Jewish community of Southern Iran in the early 1970s — to observe, “Fear of pollution by Jews led to great excesses and peculiar behavior by Muslims.” According to Al-Majlisi:
And, that they should not enter the pool while a Muslim is bathing at the public baths . . . If something can be purified, such as clothes, if they are dry, they can be accepted, they are clean. But if they [the dhimmis] had come into contact with those cloths in moisture they should be rinsed with water after being obtained. . . . It would also be better if the ruler of the Muslims would establish that all infidels could not move out of their homes on days when it rains or snows because they would make Muslims impure.
The dehumanizing character of these popularized “impurity” regulations fomented recurring Muslim anti-Jewish violence, including pogroms and forced conversions throughout the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries, which rendered areas of Iran Judenrein — free of Jews. For example, the preeminent modern historian of Iranian Jewry, Walter Fischel, provides these observations based on the 19th-century narrative of Rabbi David d’Beth Hillel and additional eyewitness accounts:
Due to the persecution [by] their Moslem neighbors, many once flourishing communities entirely disappeared. Maragha, for example, ceased to be the seat of a Jewish community around 1800, when the Jews were driven out. . . . Similarly, Tabriz, where over 50 Jewish families are supposed to have lived, became Judenrein towards the end of the 18th century through similar circumstances. The peak of the forced elimination of Jewish communities occurred under Shah Mahmud (1834?48), during whose rule the Jewish population in Meshed, in eastern Persia, was forcibly converted, an event which not only remained unchallenged by Persian authorities, but also remained unknown and unnoticed by European Jews.
The Khomeini “Revival”
The so-called “Khomeini revolution,” which in 1979 deposed the secular, Western-oriented regime of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, was in reality a mere return in full (including najis regulations, etc.) to oppressive Shiite theocratic rule, the predominant form of Iranian governance during four centuries. Conditions for all non-Muslim religious minorities, particularly Jews, rapidly deteriorated. Historian David Littman recounts the Jews’ immediate plight:
In the months preceding the Shah’s departure on 16 January 1979, the religious minorities . . . were already beginning to feel insecure . . . Twenty thousand Jews left the country before the triumphant return of the Ayatollah Khomeini on 1 February . . . On 16 March, the honorary president of the Iranian Jewish community, Habib Elghanian, a wealthy businessman, was arrested and charged by an Islamic revolutionary tribunal with “corruption” and “contacts with Israel and Zionism”; he was shot on 8 May.
Indeed, the demographic decline of Iranian Jewry after the creation of Israel was dramatic even before the revolution — from nearly 120,000 in 1948 to roughly 70,000 in 1978. The current Jewish population is perhaps 10,000, or less.
Ayatollah Khomeini’s views were the most influential in shaping the ideology of the revitalized Shiite theocracy, and his attitudes towards Jews — both before and after he assumed power — were particularly negative. Khomeini’s speeches and writings invoked a panoply of Judenhass motifs, including orthodox interpretations of sacralized Muslim texts, and the Shiite conception of najis. More ominously, Khomeini’s rhetoric blurred the distinction between Jews and Israelis, reiterated paranoid conspiracy theories about Jews (both within Iran and beyond), and endorsed the annihilation of the Jewish state. The pillars of this continuous modern campaign of annihilationist anti-Semitism are the motifs from traditional Islamic Jew-hatred, including Islamic eschatology, grafted seamlessly to jihadism. These deep-seated Islamic theological motifs are further conjoined to Holocaust denial and the development of a nuclear-weapons program intended expressly for Israel’s eradication.
The writings and speeches of the most influential religious ideologues of this restored Shiite theocracy — including Khomeini himself — make apparent their seamless connection to the oppressive doctrines of their forebears in the Safavid and Qajar dynasties. For example, consider the “Islamic perspective” on the U.N.’s 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, written in the mid-1960s by Sultanhussein Tabandeh, the Iranian Shiite leader of a prominent Sufi order. According to Professor Eliz Sanasarian’s important study of religious minorities in the Islamic Republic, Tabandeh’s tract became “the core ideological work upon which the [post-revolution] Iranian government . . . based its non-Muslim policy.” Tabandeh begins his discussion by lauding as a champion “of the oppressed” Shah Ismail I, the repressive and bigoted founder of the Safavid dynasty, who, as per contemporary accounts, “bore hatred against the Jews and ordered their eyes to be gouged out if they happened to be found in his vicinity.” It is critical to understand that Tabandeh’s key views on non-Muslims were implemented “almost verbatim in the Islamic Republic of Iran.”
In essence, Tabandeh simply reaffirms the sacralized inequality of non-Muslims relative to Muslims under sharia:
Since Islam regards non-Muslims as on a lower level of belief and conviction, if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim . . . then his punishment must not be the retaliatory death, since the faith and conviction he possesses is loftier than that of the man slain . . . the penalties of a non-Muslim guilty of fornication with a Muslim woman are augmented because, in addition to the crime against morality, social duty and religion, he has committed sacrilege, in that he has disgraced a Muslim and thereby cast scorn upon the Muslims in general, and so must be executed. . . .
The conception of najis or ritual uncleanliness of the non-Muslim has also been reaffirmed. Ayatollah Khomeini stated explicitly: “Non-Muslims of any religion or creed are najis.” Khomeini elaborated his views on najis and non-Muslims, with a specific reference to Jews:
Eleven things are unclean: urine, excrement, sperm, blood, a dog, a pig, bones, a non-Muslim man and woman, wine, beer, perspiration of a camel that eats filth. . . . The whole body of a non-Muslim is unclean, even his hair, his nails, and all the secretions of his body . . . The body, saliva, nasal secretions, and perspiration of a non-Muslim man or woman who converts to Islam automatically become pure. As for the garments, if they were in contact with the sweat of the body before conversion, they will remain unclean. . . . It is not strictly prohibited for a Muslim to work in an establishment run by a Muslim who employs Jews, if the products do not aid Israel in one way or another. However it is shameful [for a Muslim] to be under the orders of a Jewish departmental head.
Ayatollah Khomeini’s 1942 speech “Islam Is Not a Religion of Pacifists” is a modern vision of classical, authoritative formulations on the uniquely Islamic institution of jihad. It states plainly:
Those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [Allah’s law; the Sharia]. . . . Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.
And among non-believers, Iranian Shiite theology reserves a special hatred for Jews. Besides returning the small remnant of the Iranian Jewish community to a state of obsequious dhimmitude through execution and intimidation, Khomeini’s Iran has embraced jihad “as a central pillar of faith and action,” seen most notably in its unending campaign of vilification and proxy violence against the “Zionist entity,” Israel. For current Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the destruction of Israel is an openly avowed policy driven by his eschatological beliefs. Mohammad Hassan Rahimian, a representative of Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, summarized this annihilationist eschatology, redolent with Koranic Jew-hatred, in 2006:
The Jew is the most obstinate enemy (Koran 5:82) of the devout. And the main war will determine the destiny of mankind. . . . The reappearance of the Twelfth Imam will lead to a war between Israel and the Shia.
As characterized in the canonical hadith (collections of Mohammed’s words and deeds), Sunni and Shiite eschatology highlight the Jews’ purported supreme hostility to Islam. Jews are described as adherents of the Dajjal, the Muslim equivalent of the Antichrist. Other traditions state that the Dajjal is Jewish himself, and that at his appearance, he will be accompanied by 70,000 Jews from Isfahan wrapped in robes and armed with polished sabers, their heads covered with a sort of veil. When the Dajjal is defeated, his Jewish companions will be slaughtered — even rocks and trees (except for the so-called gharkad tree) will deliver them up. Thus, according to a canonical hadith (Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 6985), if a Jew seeks refuge under a tree or a stone, these objects will be able to speak to tell a Muslim: “There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him!” And the notion of jihad “ransom” extends even into Islamic eschatology: On the day of resurrection, the vanquished Jews will be consigned to hellfire, which will expiate Muslims who have sinned, sparing them from this fate.
Professor Moshe Sharon recently provided a very lucid summary of the unique features of Shiite eschatology, its key point of consistency with Sunni understandings of this doctrine, and Iranian president Ahmadinejad’s deep personal attachment to “mahdism.”
Since the late ninth century, the Shiites have been expecting the emergence of the hidden imam-mahdi, armed with divine power and followed by thousands of martyrdom-seeking warriors. He is expected to conquer the world and establish Shiism as its supreme religion and system of rule. His appearance would involve terrible war and unusual bloodshed. Ahmadinejad, as mayor of Teheran, built a spectacular boulevard through which the mahdi would enter into the capital. There is no question that Ahmadinejad believes he has been chosen to be the herald of the mahdi. Shi’ite Islam differs from Sunni Islam regarding the identity of the mahdi. The Sunni mahdi is essentially an anonymous figure; the Shiite mahdi is a divinely inspired person with a real identity. However both Shiites and Sunnis share one particular detail about “the coming of the hour” and the dawning of messianic times: The Jews must all suffer a violent death, to the last one. Both Shi’ites and Sunnis quote the famous hadith (Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 6985) attributed to Muhammad.
Averting the Ayatollah’s Final Solution
The much ballyhooed “Green Revolution” demonstrations on the streets of Iran in the summer of 2009 were predominantly a fight between two ugly options — the Rafsanjani/Mousavi faction and their mullahs versus the Ahmadinejad/Khameini faction and their mullahs. Both favor Iranian nukes and the jihad genocide of the Jewish state of Israel. Unless there were a civil war between these two dominant jihadist factions that debilitated each enough for some truly secular and Western faction to emerge from the power vacuum, Iran will remain what it has largely remained since 1502 (barring the period of more secular Western leaning, albeit rather brutal rule, from 1925 to 1979 under the Pahlavis) — an oppressive Shiite theocracy.
Iranians as a whole — let alone the Mousavi versus Ahmadinejad factionalists — are very far removed from honestly addressing the conundrum posed by the Iranian secularist and historian Reza Afshari, a decade ago, regarding whether official Islamic authorities reflect the views of the Iranian people:
Who is more culturally and religiously authentic than the Ayatollahs? Who is more credible to say what relevance Shiite culture has or does not have for the major issues of our time? The issue is not Islam as a private faith of individuals. It is about what state officials claiming Islamic authority might have to say about the state’s treatment of citizens. . . . In Iran, liberal Muslims or any other new interpreters of Islam did not come to power. When and if they do, we will have their record to examine. What we have from liberal Muslims today are only ideological claims punctuated by expressed good intentions.
Given the ad nauseam expressed genocidal intentions of the current ruling Iranian theocracy, Israel — with U.S. assent, if not direct assistance — must destroy Iran’s nuclear arms production facilities by whatever means necessary.
— Andrew Bostom is the author of The Legacy of Jihad (2005) and The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism (2008), and the forthcoming Sharia Versus Freedom, with a foreword by Andrew C. McCarthy.
© National Review Online 2012. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/290715/iran-s-final-solution-israel-andrew-bostom
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=49040
Not only is Andrew Bostom a fanatic right Zionist and Islamophobe, but this so called "Reza Khalili " has been exposed as a fraud and a serial propagandist.
Contrary to Reza Kahlil's NS, the call for Iran to strike at Israelis was not made that the Iranian Shiite theocracy, but by an Iranian blogger named Alireza Forghani who does not even have a job.
Iran concerned about US's 8,500th nuke. And Israel 225th nuke. Israel repeatedly threatens Iran, has sponsored acts of war, sponsors terrorist organizations to conduct operation in Iran. As to "anti-semitism" I agree it's a problem but the real Semites are getting the brunt of the oppression. Jews in Iran are treated far more fairly than Arabs in Israel. Israel has racist laws in place. Also, we know that the Mossad has bombed Synagogues in Iran and Iraq to drive Jews back to Israel. Yet, still, Jews live there. But, Arabs are beneath Jews. Arabs, in fact all goy are animals to many Jews in Israel. Who is the racist? Who's faith says they are special chosen of God? It's not the Quran. The Quran contains no passage as vile and contrary to the golden rule as the Book of Joshua, the story of Jericho--the story of how Joshua conspired with a whore, get invited to dinner by the highest family in the city; only to use that invitation to murder every man, woman and child. Which country has "Jericho" missiles pointed the other? Which country, which faith celebrates genocide, none other than Israeli Jews.
Apparently neither have you Gilad
You're simpy plagiarizing BS from Jihadwatch.com
>> The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.
Every one if them is prefaced by a caveat that war is only to be used against those who attack the believers and do not repent.
>> Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most of the verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text.
Where is the suggestion that Old Testament verses of violence are not open-ended? After all, was the Old Testament not largely directed to Jews who do not recognize the New Testament?
When Mohammad killed Jews he showed trepidation, reflection and used due process, such that a Rabbi insisted that Mohammad, as the leader of the people had a duty to perform. Evidently you've never read the either the Torah nor Talmud. It is full of celebrations of deceit, genocide, and murder. It also contains the Golden Rule. I hold to the latter, and therefore find it necessary to denounce all that oppose the Golden Rule. There is far more in the Old Testament than the Quran, which says Jews, Christians and Muslims and others will be in heaven. That all shall be judged the same, not by their tribe or even religious affiliation, but by our works, and whether we loved our neighbors as ourselves. But, you likely believe as many do, that you'll never see justice for your sins.
That's pretty old hat, going back to the Quran & Old Testament.
Those things were written, well, over a millenium ago. Of course you can't apply without interpretation what they said then to today! The only reason to do this is in response to those who do it. Otherwise, the person speaks out of gross ignorance. That's true of ANY ancient text. This does not prevent bigots from doing otherwise. The tradition is with the Talmud, but also with the Quran (New Testament as well, but that's another story).
In any case, let's quote Mr. Atzmon, Prof. Mearsheimer's new darling, has a chapter discussing the five books of Moses called "Swindler's List", which says, among other things, "The Judaic God, as portrayed in the above passage is an evil deity, who lead his people to plunder, robbery, and theft." This in a book that says it does not criticize Judaism the religion!
Rep. Duke, from whom Prof. Walt | Mearsheimer took much of their ideas, says the following:
Although we fantasize about the peace-loving nature of human beings, most of human history is a record of tribal, ethnic, or racial war of one kind or another. For instance, the most read book on earth, the Bible, records the bloody history of the conflict between the Israelites and the other peoples of the Middle Eastern region. It tells glorious stories of war and shocking accounts of genocide. Anyone who reads the Old Testament with unbiased eyes will readily discern its dominant theme of racial and ethnic supremacism. There are many blatant expressions of ethnic supremacism
. . . .
Few people dare to even acknowledge the blatant racial supremacism of the Bible. And those who become aware of the extreme Jewish Supremacism in the Old Testament tend to believe that such sentiments are relegated to ancient times and have no influence on the present. Jewish Supremacism, however, shows that the powerful ethnocentrism of ancient Judaism has continued to thrive to the modern day. I will offer compelling evidence that it has a dramatic and increasing effect on world events.
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Vital, however, is not forgetting where Rep. Duke's ancestors, the Vikings, were about 1,500 years ago. Here you can see the development six centuries into Christendom, long after the bible was written. Here you can see Rep. Duke's ancestors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aml71doO5Po
Somehow, the far more recent ancestral, to use Mr. Atzmon's words "consciousness" is not deemed to influence Rep. Duke to be barbaric.
Now go and study, and study hard, what the Palestinian religious fanatics would do if they ever defeated Israel.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151758
PA Religious Official Publicly Calls for Genocide of Jews
PA's principal religious leader presents the killing of Jews by Muslims as a religious Islamic goal.
Elad Benari
1/16/2011
If everything you rant about is true how come there are Iranian Jews running around Tehran free as the birds?
Nothing personal just curious.
Recently heard a rabbi claim the fingernail of a Jew is worth more than the lives of 10,000 Arabs.
In the Talmud I came across that the soul of a Jew is at a higher plane than the non Jew which is at the level of the animals.
Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement. His mother was a prostitute.
Shall I go on or have you had enough?
Guys stop with the Israel loves genocide and Iran wants to kill us because we are free. Both camps here are at an idealistic extreme. If you didn't grow up in the US but in Israel or Iran you would fit right in with the fraction of population that is nuts. We got plenty of those here too from our perceived right and left.
Walt is just trying to frame the argument. Nation states are rational if they are irrational they get their faces stomped in by the rest of the world. Even if Iran called it out tomorrow that they have nukes. What has changed? 2 nukes? A nuke has a blast radius of about what 2-4 miles? Iran is so crazy that they will trade a US city for their country getting turned into a giant parking lot? Heck I'd volunteer to paint lines. We are a super power, we do not need to remind every stupid 4th world country that we are.
To an Iran warhawk they are the only fight in town so lets police them. In the other camp Iran is a weak country thats all talk, trying to find their place. China used to be the same way, now they have non proliferation treaties and work inside the international community. We get ipads for cheap now.
Stop corrupting the argument, or getting caught up in the analogy.
Like anyone who has stood behind a bad thesis, Walt now find himself reduced to chicanery to maintain his position:
"The U.S. and Israel together spend more than $700 billion each year on their national security establishments; Iran spends about $10 billion"
Walt lumps the Israeli and US budget into one number to make Iran seem paltry in comparison.
in fact, Israel spends an estimated $16 billion a year, not much more then Iran. The remaining $684 billion is the US.
That information would be pertinent to our Martian visitor, no?
The false comparisons continue throughout the article.
On the left side of the ledger, Walt tells us that the US has "bombed, invaded or occupied a half dozen countries in that period". As for Israel, it has "occupied much of Lebanon from 1982 to 1999, and its armed forces pummeled Lebanon (2006)".
Oddly, in the right side of ledger he does not fill in any of Iran's bloody, naked aggression or power-grabs in Lebanon, Syria and every other Muslim country that has 10 or more Shiite. Not to mention it's treatment of it's own dissidents
.
Beyond this, Walt's displays his usual inability (or unwillingness) to even bother differentiating US or Israeli actions (about which one could debate the wisdom) with Iran's actions (about which no sane person would debate).
Israel invaded Lebanon to establish a buffer zone after years of shelling. They returned in 2006 following a cross border raid.
What brought Iran/Hezbollah to Lebanon?
Well, again, our Martian friend won't get any answers reading this buffoonish article.
More to the point, given Walt's obfuscations, our Martian friend would not even know to ask the questions in the first place.
Which, I suspect, is how Walt would like it for both Martians and those of us dwelling on earth.
Israel: population 5 million (another 5 million captive)
Iran Population: ~90+ Million
Iran is 4x the size of Iraq, or the size of UK, Germany, Spain and France combined.
Israel is smaller than New Jersey.
Israel's number one export is arms. I bet Israel would spend more on its budget if it wasn't given so many toys for free as bribes not to kill us all.
rephrase: if Israel didn't steal our technology for free
(and sell it to our enemies)
Google Jonathon Pollard
Never again ;)
How stupid can you be SCOTT83?
>> Walt lumps the Israeli and US budget into one number to make Iran seem paltry in comparison.
It is no matyter which way you look at it. Israel's estimated $16 billion a year includes a security guarantee from the US.
>> Oddly, in the right side of ledger he does not fill in any of Iran's bloody, naked aggression or power-grabs in Lebanon, Syria and every other Muslim country that has 10 or more Shiite. Not to mention it's treatment of it's own dissidents
Bloody, naked aggression or power-grabs in Lebanon? What power grabs might they be? Hezbollah are in power becasue they are part of a coalition that won the majority of seats in the last elections.
The same elections that saw the US pump in tens of million in order to prop up the Hariri government.
What other Muslim countries has Iran being carrying out power grabs in Scott?
>> Beyond this, Walt's displays his usual inability (or unwillingness) to even bother differentiating US or Israeli actions (about which one could debate the wisdom) with Iran's actions (about which no sane person would debate).
By sane, I take it you mean pro Zionist, pro Western Imperialism right?
>> Israel invaded Lebanon to establish a buffer zone after years of shelling. They returned in 2006 following a cross border raid.
Rubbish. Israel invaded Lebanon after the Israeli amabassador was shot in London by a member of Abu Nidal. There was no shelling becasue a ceasefire was in place. Begin decalred the shooting a brash of the ceaseifre by the PLO even though the PLO had nothing to do with it.
Secondly, the Winograd Commission concluded that ISrale initiated the war in 2006. Cross border raids are perpetrated by Israel all the time.
>> What brought Iran/Hezbollah to Lebanon?
Israel's occupation.
Any more historical facts I can help you with?
You clearly don't know the difference between facts and opinion.
Please feel free to challenge any one of my statements on a factual basis, or stop trolling and wasting time.
Oh AMOSYARKONI, you wouldn't know a fat if it ran over you
>> Iran currently bankrolls Hamas, Hezbollah, and has helped Assad crush the Syrian opposition.
So what? The US is bacnkrolling the Syrian opposition and arming them as they have done in Lybian aand with Israel. After all, Israel use US amrs to crush the Palestinian resistance do they not? Does that mean the US is enagnged in a power grab in Palestine?
Hamas were elected to power in Gaza. Hezbollah were elected to power in Lebanon. Assad has been in pwer for decades. How does supporting any one fo these groups equal a power grab by Iran?
The power grab in Iraq was entirely facilityate by the US. Wikileaks reveald that the Saudi's accused the US of handign Iran to Iran on a gold platter.
>> Sorry, but the reason for the invasion was PLO shelling of Northern Israel.
Sorry, but that's complete rubbish.
"In The Iron Wall (2001), Israeli historian Avi Shlaim shows that in July 1981, US diplomat Philip Habib brokered a ceasefire between the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and Israel. For the next year, the PLO infuriated Israel by refusing to violate the ceasefire and thereby provide an excuse for Israel's long-planned attack on PLO refugee camps and bases in Lebanon. Then, on 3 June 1982, a member of the Abu Nidal organization shot and wounded Shlomo Argov, the Israeli ambassador in London. Abu Nidal, or Sabri Khalil al-Banna, was a Palestinian, but he was anything but a PLO stalwart: "Abu Nidal was supported by Iraq in his struggle against Arafat's 'capitulationist' leadership of the PLO. Abu Nidal customarily referred to Arafat as 'the Jewess's son.' The PLO had passed a death sentence on Abu Nidal for assassinating some of its moderate members who advocated a dialogue with Israel.
The next day, Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin called an emergency cabinet meeting. When his advisor Gideon Machanaimi and Avraham Shalom (the head of the General Security Service) began to discuss the nature of the Abu Nidal organization, Begin cut them off: "'They are all PLO.' [Army Chief of Staff] Rafael Eitan was equally dismissive. Shortly before entering the conference room, an intelligence aide told him that Abu Nidal's men were evidently responsible for the assassination attempt. 'Abu Nidal, Abu Shmidal,' he sneered; 'we have to strike at the PLO!'
Two days later, Israel invaded Lebanon"
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10123.shtml
>> Israel was sick of attacks being launched from Lebanon. Since the "ceasefire" in 1981, Israel suffered approximately 240 attacks from the PLO in Lebanon on its territory.
False. There were no rocket atatcks during the ceasfire, which infuratited Begin.
>> The invasion in 1982 only made the situation more ripe for Iran to invade Lebanon and make further inroads.
Sorry, but there was no invasion of Lebanon by Iran.
>> Iran sent over 1,500 revolutionary guards troops and founded hezbollah.
False. Hezbollah was fonded by former Shiite Lebanese troops who were sicked by the occuaption and that fact that LEbanon'
s military had gioven up trying to resists the occupation. Iran revolutionary guards trained and suportedd them, but Hezbollah was a local resistance group.
There simply would be no such thing as Hezbollah were it not for the occuaptino.
BTW. Amos. I noticed you didn't cite any of your sources.
US supporting Syrian opposition
>> The Saudis and Turks yes, but lets see some proof of this for the US.
That's called a distintion without a difference, What weapons do you think the Saudis and the Turks are sending them if those provided by the US? Neither state woudl be able to send arms without Washington's go ahead. Washington has often funded and armed groups (as they did in Lybia) using proxies like the Saudis.
http://www.crescenticit.com/special-reports/1953-may2011/3092-us-israeli-saudi-involvement-in-syrian-uprising.html
Most alarming of all is the fact that Al Qaeda are also on the side of the Syrian opposition.
http://www.channel4.com/news/al-qaeda-backs-syrian-opposition
>> You have no basis for almost all you say, except for nonsense authors and ridiculous editorials.
This comming from someone who posted a rediculus ridiculous by Robert Wright from the Washington Post.
US supporting Syrian opposition
>> The Saudis and Turks yes, but lets see some proof of this for the US.
That's called a distintion without a difference, What weapons do you think the Saudis and the Turks are sending them if those provided by the US? Neither state woudl be able to send arms without Washington's go ahead. Washington has often funded and armed groups (as they did in Lybia) using proxies like the Saudis.
http://www.crescenticit.com/special-reports/1953-may2011/3092-us-israeli-saudi-involvement-in-syrian-uprising.html
Most alarming of all is the fact that Al Qaeda are also on the side of the Syrian opposition.
http://www.channel4.com/news/al-qaeda-backs-syrian-opposition
>> You have no basis for almost all you say, except for nonsense authors and ridiculous editorials.
This comming from someone who posted a rediculus ridiculous by Robert Wright from the Washington Post.
Walt,
It would NOT elude a Martian that:
(1) the "Russian Mob" (think International Organized Criminals who are staunch Zionists) running Israel (not Jews, but the State pretending to have anything to do with Judaism as a scapegoat for its crimes) is the same one that committed 9/11 with high-level insiders (Bush et. al.), Chertoff, Silverstein, Lieberman, AIPAC, (9/11 taped BY Israel as indisputable fact), etc.;
(2) the root of all funding for wars and industries of death and commercial despair trace back to this "invisible group" - the conspiracy is vast and wide, that they have established a safe haven in the Colonial State of Israel (Irgun gang -> Likud);
(3) they have 300 plus nuclear warheads and are blackmailing us into another spoonfed war on behalf of Israel. That we have forgotten we were taken into Iraq the first time based on a PROVEN FAKE Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies out of incubators story, and the second time through lies about WMDs following a highly suspicious "Gulf of Tonkin" like incident; and,
(4) That after a political assassination in our State, the motivations for that assassination were thereafter realized in the form of LBJ and ever President then on. JFK sought to return us to a silver backed currency and to create a true peace. Yes, he banged interns. But as far as I can tell, Jesus loved prostitutes, but sure as hell did not like the money changers.
So whatever it is us "tin foil hat" people seem to be educated yet think -- I bet the martians would think the same thing because it is simply the truth.
Reason has nothing to do with it, dearie
A Martian would surely recognise this pre-conflict activity as in line with the ancient Greek paean, the clashing of legionary shields, Gallic battle cries, native Indian war dances, and the pre-match display of New Zealand rugby teams, all performed to raise enthusiasm for forthcoming conflict and focus determination upon victory. The absence of reason would not surprise them at all since reason is anti-conflict and its introduction would be entirely counter productive. What would more likely raise Martian eyebrows are the persistent efforts of some to manoeuvre such things into the glass slipper of reason.
Wonderful use of an observer that has no stake in the argument. Makes all of us who do have a stake feel like fools. The heated inflammatory rhetoric within the United States makes all of us Americans feel like the problem rather than the solution.
I would the say the Iranians are much like North Koreans, an isolated and "bluffing," saber-rattling country that acts out for attention or concessions. Perhaps the vocal nuclear threats are to protect itself against Israel, which it views as an existential threat?
I deplore what the people of Iran have to suffer through, being a pawn in that regime's schemes.
If that is so, then all of America and Israel's military might threatening little old Iran seems a bit of an exaggeration.
A hypothetical question of a hypothetical observer? Wow, that's really grounded.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Not since Ariel Sharon marched his troops into Beirut in 1982 has anybody accused Israel of being too rational in its war-making. Irrationalism and hysteria have always worked for Israel -- especially when it comes to getting Washington to support its every stupid move. Why would they ever change that behaviour?
LOL Amos,you need a history lesson
> Washington did not even support Israel in the 1967 six-day war.
Tell that to Meir Amit (who was head of Mossad at the time), who claims that MacNamara gave him the green light for the attack 3 days before Israel attacked Egypt. Also, the 2002 BBC documentary revealed that the reconnaissance photographs that appeared in Tme Magazine at the time could not have come from Israeli gun footage, but from dedicated reconnaissance planes, which meant that they came from US planes, as Israel did not have reconnaissance planes at the time.
I didn't forget that either Amos
>> right before the war, Johnson warned: "Israel will not be alone unless it decides to go alone."(16) Then, when the war began, the State Department announced: "Our position is neutral in thought, word and deed."
Yes, that's what they said in public. Washington was fearful of a backlasj from the Arab world if the wor got out that they were helping the Israelis.
As Tom Segev releved in his book, "1967", Johnson told Amit that there was no evidence Nasser would attack Israel and even if he did, Israel would kick his ass. Amit said that Israel agreed with this analysis.
Amit stated in the 2002 documentary that he was indeed given the "green light" MacMamara. His meeting with Hadden took place long before his meeting in Washington. Amit went to Washington explicitly to get Washington's agreement.
>> you also forget 1956 war
That was the last time the US ever stood up to Israel, but remember that the US told Britain to get out of the Suez as well. Israel were just along for the ride at that stage anyway.
it's you that needs a reading lesson Amos
Contrary to your claims, your own link to Robert Wright proves that most Iranian DO NOT want a nuke.
Having lost the debate, Amos plays the human rights angle
but loses.
As though bombing Iran is somehow going to improve human rights the way it has in Iraq and Lybia.
Next up I expect he'll raise the plight of homosexuals.
But speaking of prisions and human rights.
Israel has been holding Khader Adnan under arrest without charge. He is entered his 59th day on hunger strike, his wife Randa appealed for the international community to end his isolation and save his life. He has spent 6 years in prison without ever being charged.
In Hebron, Israel is arresting boys between the age of 12 and 15. 10 boys were arrested just last week.
In fact, Israel has a habbit of targetting children, having arrested hundreds.
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/israel-attacked-for-arrests-of-hundreds-of-children
They also have a policy of totturing children.
http://www.acri.org.il/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Youth-Law-Violation-in-East-Jerusalem_ACRI.doc
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/?p=1794
I suspect Mr. Stephen Walt that you do not really believe that the Iranian president is a buffoon. In your heart you realise the he is a highly educated and intelligent man and a very distinguished scientist. You are probably including the desparaging remarks so as to demonstrate some sort of balance in your article.
It's not cricket to suggest Ahmedinijhad is anything but a buffoon. Clearly he's in denial when he said, "we don't have gays like you do." At least that's what they say. Not sure that homosexuality is such a big deal in the Arab world. If you see two men walking hand in hand, that still get's look's in Venice Beach and the Village, but not in the Arab world. There are few people so maligned in the media as Ahmedinijhad, Snookie, and the Situation. Sadly, most Americans are too stupid to know the difference.
I'm assuming the purpose of discussing a Martian's viewpoint of potential conflict with US and Iran is attempting to remain as objective as possible in our analysis. However, Stephen Walt's article is built upon many assumptions that reflect certain historical experiences as well as spatial assumptions.
Walt first discusses the "sensible Martian". How can a Martian be sensible or rationale if it is a Martian and has no idea what international relations or conflict is. What Walt is really referring to is "sensible" in terms of largely the West.
Walt then assumes the Martian can observe "two states". How will the Martian know what a state is if it has never been to Earth. In my view, the state is essentially an imagined concept; its is not constituted by the institutions, the armies, the bombs etc. its is constituted by everyone believing that the state exists and participating in the practices consistent with these beliefs e.g. respecting sovereignty etc.
Walt then goes on to highlight the disparity in military spending, military capabilities, nuclear capability etc. between the US/Israel and Iran. Walt assumes that this disparity is reason enough to dismiss the threat of Iran.
The purpose of Walt's article is to add scientific rigor to his analysis of potential conflict and international relations more generally by attempting to remain objective (the use of the Martian). However, Walt's objective analysis is very much subjective. Walt's realist assumptions are based certain historical experiences and spatial assumptions that do not reflect the international to any large extent. Walt's assumptions over military power are a throw back to Cold War thinking; they fail to address the majority of security concerns in the modern world.
That Stephen Walt is Professor of International Affairs says a lot about the state of the discipline in the US and more generally. The most respected institutions are generally realist in character, and serve to reflect and reproduce the tripe in this article. IR really is in a sad state of affairs when one views in this light. I wonder how the sensible Martian might see it?!
The Martian observer may have noted a few other things.
Of the triad of nations being looked at, Iran, Israel, and the US, which one has issued the most obvious and directly belligerent threats against the others? The Martian would have to acknowledge that Iran's statements about ending Israel's existence were clearly the cause of concern, and not to be ignored as Mr. Walt does. Heck, he'd probably raise a green eyebrow about Iran's insistence on not referring to Israel by name, but rather 'the Zionist Regime'.
And if the Martian walked around for a while on the streets of Tehran, would he/she/it ignore the flagrant anti-US propaganda found on the streets and from official sources?
The Martian may be aware that the US' had involvement in the establishment of a regime there which ended over thirty years ago, but how relevant is that to Iran's very youthful population? Would the Martian consider that important to current differences?
There is no doubt Iran isn't going to build a nuclear weapon, after their years of denying they are even trying to if they did produce one now it would be game over, as it would prove they have been lying to the world for all this time. Put simply, their own statements mean they can't make a nuclear weapon. But to be fair, the martian should be exposed to more information then Mr. walt suggests.
I find this viewpoint slightly spurious and a bit of a red herring. Realists tend to pride themselves on the supposed 'objectivity' of their work. Their research and analysis e.g. Walt's 'balance of threat theory' adhere to the ontological assumptions of realism. It therefore becomes very difficult for realist dominated institutions such as Harvard and scholars such as Walt to formulate theory and analysis influenced by supposed Saudi bungs.
I think the reasons for such respected institutions for privileging certain viewpoints and analysis are deeply rooted and complex. Harvard simply reflect the US/European view of the world; a world constituted by great powers. In this world, Walt's views make sense.
However, this conception of global politics is especially narrow and reductionist and is at best, a terrible framework in which to 'do international relations'. Walt and more widely Harvard's scholarship might appear influenced by Saudi bungs but in reality it reflects a narrow conception of global politics.
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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