Thursday, March 1, 2012 - 2:06 PM

You know a case for war is weak when its advocates have to marshal blatant untruths in order to convince people that their advice should be followed. Exhibit A is today's alarmist op-ed in the New York Times, in which former IDF general Amos Yadlin argues for a preventive strike against Iran's nuclear facilities.
He recites the by-now familiar arguments for an attack, and makes it clear that he thinks Obama should make an "ironclad" pledge to do it if Iran doesn't cease its nuclear activities. But the big historical howler comes in the middle of the piece, where he attempts to deal with the counter-argument that an attack would only delay an Iranian program, and probably not for all that long. He writes:
"After the Osirak attack and the destruction of the Syrian reactor in 2007, the Iraqi and Syrian nuclear programs were never fully resumed."
This claim is at best deeply misleading and at worst simply false. It's technically true that there hasn't been a resumption of either the Iraqi or Syrian programs since 2007, but what about there the twenty-six year gap between the Osirak raid in 1981 and the raid on Syria? What happened during those intervening years? As Malfrid Hegghammer, Daniel Reiter, and Richard Betts have all shown, the destruction of Osirak led to an elite consensus that Iraq needed its own deterrent, and led Saddam Hussein to order a redoubling of Iraq's nuclear program in a more clandestine fashion. This effort was so successful that the UN inspectors who entered Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War were surprised by how extensive the program was and how close it had come to producing a bomb. Indeed, if Saddam had been smart enough to wait a few more years, he might have crossed the nuclear finish line.
Thus, the true history teaches the opposite lesson from the one Yadlin is proposing. In the Iraqi case, a preventive strike reinforced Iraq's interest in acquiring a deterrent, and led Iraq to pursue it in ways that were more difficult to detect or prevent. That is what Iran is likely to do as well if Israel or the United States were foolish enough to strike them. U.S. intelligence still believes Iran has not made a final decision to weaponize; ironically, an Israeli or U.S. attack is the step that is most likely to push them over the edge.
It's hardly surprising that some Israelis would like the United States to shoulder the burden of bombing Iran. It's also not surprising that they would make up specious arguments or distort history to do this; the Bush administration got us into the Iraq war in the same way. But the Times' editors ought to insist that op-eds, whatever their positions, meet at least minimum standards for historical accuracy. And they don't even need to scour the academic literature; all they had to do was keep track of what they had already published.
In any case, if Americans fall for this sort of contorted historical analysis, we'll have only ourselves to blame. Instead of giving "ironclad" guarantees that we will launch preventive war, we'd be better served if Obama merely reminded Netanyahu that Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak doesn't think Iran is an existential threat, and that the former head of the Mossad, Meir Dagan, has called an attack on Iran the "the stupidest thing I ever heard."
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The NYTimes was one of the lead newspapers in propagating the lies that led the US public to support the major escalation of the US-Iraq war in 2003. It is not the least bit surprising it continues that tradition.
The other major Times in USA, LATimes, did publish (in 2003) what is probably the most relevant fact related to Iran's possible development of nuclear weapons capability. Israel, with the help of the US Navy, developed a submarine nuclear weapon system specifically designed to carry out nuclear attacks against Iran. This was "publicly leaked" to the reporter. And, of course, we often read of another Israeli submarine going through the Suez canal to patrol the coast of Iran. And, that US Navy warships are equipped to launch nuclear weapons, and many of them are near the coast of Iran.
Given the military doctrines of both Israel and USA, it is understandable that most in leadership cannot believe that Iran not only wants, but needs nuclear weapons. That is why they believe that Iran must be developing nuclear weapons, despite the lack of direct evidence they are doing so.
As for newspapers and perspective, see Philip Knightley's The First Casualty for David Halberstam's take on the matter. (It's in the 1975 edition, maybe in the later one.) Specifically, newspapers do not want to publish historical perspective. Or, of the 5 W's (who, what, when, where, and why), why is deliberately left out.
You make an interesting point, actually.
The leadership in both Israel and the USA hold to a belief that Iran is building nukes despite the estimates of their own intelligence services that this belief is erroneous.
Q: So why do they continue to cling so stubbornly to that belief?
A: Because that's what *they* would be doing if *they* were running Iran.
That explains the irrational (if not downright hysterical) behaviour coming from the USA/Israel i.e. their "belief" is in conflict with "the facts", and that leads them to exhibiting all the (classically irrational) symptoms of cognitive dissonance.
But putting the icing on the cake is this: they insist that Iran is not a "rational actor", yet they base that on their believe that Iran must be building nukes because, deep down, they know that That's What They Would Be Doing If They Were In Iran's Shoes.
It's a theory that explains much that would otherwise be inexplicable....
Lying liars of the US Jewish owned media.
Yup, its a three pronged attack on peace by the US Jewish owned and operated media, the AIPAC owned and operated US Congressional whores and pimps in the Congress, and (of course) a president that detests that kosher pig Natanyahu and his 'woe is us' warmongering.
The interesting thing is to see the Israeli military that is used to combating basically unarmed Palestinings and the Lebanese; 'scared as caca' to attack Iran without the Great Satan backing Israel up 'just in case it 'bites off more that it can chew.'
As a 'charter member' of NPT Iran has 'every right' to do as it is doing. And 'self defense' (using a Jewish term used often as they massacre Palestinian 'terrorists' as little as 6 months old) is a demand from every country makes of its military.
Surrounded by 44 US bases and the arrogant incorrigibles too boot, I say, 'kick arse' Iran, close off the Straits of Hormuz until the American people (Paying $10/gal for gas) do the Palestinians, Syrians and Hezbollah the favor of going over there (ME) and strangling the caca out of those war addicted 'Cabrones judios.' Sorry FP, I konw how much you loves those predator Jews but I am just following an old American tradition of 'Calling-a-spade-a-spade.....
Lying liars of the US Jewish owned media.
Yup, its a three pronged attack on peace by the US Jewish owned and operated media, the AIPAC owned and operated US Congressional whores and pimps in the Congress, and (of course) a president that detests that kosher pig Natanyahu and his 'woe is us' warmongering.
The interesting thing is to see the Israeli military that is used to combating basically unarmed Palestinings and the Lebanese; 'scared as caca' to attack Iran without the Great Satan backing Israel up 'just in case it 'bites off more that it can chew.'
As a 'charter member' of NPT Iran has 'every right' to do as it is doing. And 'self defense' (using a Jewish term used often as they massacre Palestinian 'terrorists' as little as 6 months old) is a demand from every country makes of its military.
Surrounded by 44 US bases and the arrogant incorrigibles too boot, I say, 'kick arse' Iran, close off the Straits of Hormuz until the American people (Paying $10/gal for gas) do the Palestinians, Syrians and Hezbollah the favor of going over there (ME) and strangling the caca out of those war addicted 'Cabrones judios.' Sorry FP, I konw how much you loves those predator Jews but I am just following an old American tradition of 'Calling-a-spade-a-spade.....
The mighty nations on earth USA, China, UK, Russia, France, etc., etc. must realize that Islam, has been, colonizing, earth, as, the ‘Islamic Only Lands’ for the ‘Islamic Only People’ for centuries. All the Islamic Nations, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan, Yemen, etc., etc., are basically for the Islamic people only. Not much population of other faiths or religions live in these nations, and, even if they do, they are under, constant, persecution, by, the Islamic people. Some of these ‘Islamic Only Nations’ (Iran, Pakistan, etc.) have been created, since the establishment, of, the, UNO, whose function, is, to create harmony among people of different, faiths, religions, color, creed , caste, etc., etc. This is not what has been happening since the second world war, thought, to avoid, further wars. War on terror is also a war. It is taking away world resources, and, peace, on earth. The creation of ‘Islamic Only Pakistan’(from the Punjab, Sindh, Bengal, lands of India, in 1947) at the cost of, the millions massacred, and, the millions becoming refugees, in India, is only, a recent, incidence, of, the 1947. The, Islam, in, Syria, Egypt, Iran, etc., etc., now crushing, its own people, is a testimony to the effect, of, the ‘Islamic Only Control’ of the ‘Islamic Only Lands’, once they have colonized them, over, centuries, India is a typical example which exemplifies the real intentions of Islam, after India, is left over, with 2/3rd of India(N-S), with terrorist attacks, so, common still, in India. So the intentions are very clear ‘Islam’, and, nobody else, including the Islamic, dissentions, on, this, earth. What is happening in Afghanistan now is nothing more than the accumulated effect of the centuries of Islamic Armies(from Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Uzbekistan, …etc., etc., gathering there and invading India. The efforts are still on to colonize whole of the Kashmir as the ‘Islamic Only Kashmir’. The days of the rest of India also ending up as the ‘Islamic Only India’ are not very far. The efforts are already there to create anarchy, fear, and, intimidation, by terrorist, attacks. China has played its dual role of terror, by, occupation, of. ‘Tibet’. by force. in 1954. and, is, in partnership with Pakistan, in, the occupation of vast areas, of, Himalayas(e.g. Kashmir, Mount Kailash, Nepal, etc., etc., ) which have nothing to do with China. If America could understand all this there is no need for them to waste their financial and military resources in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Once the Western Armies will be out of Afghanistan the ‘Islamic Only Nations’ will still be only Islamic and nobody else. They invite Western Nations(Britain invited in 1700 A.D. in India by Islam) to do their dirty job of controlling their people( Islamic or otherwise) and once the job is over they are still where they started ‘The Islamic Only Nations’. Is that what for the World is wasting its resources, e.g., from ‘Islam-Abad’, to, ‘Islam-Indi-Abad’ There is no oil in Afghanistan or Pakistan. But it does not take an Einstein to understand that Afghanistan and Pakistan are the ‘Islamic Only Nations’ as are the oil nations of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria, etc., etc. I wonder how can I make it clearer than this. I have said in English language which is well understood world wide. Saying in Tamil language will only hide the facts. Indians are busy as usual in their own in-fights(14 to the 28 ‘Personal-States’, since 1947, more, will come, soon), even, today. They have no time to worry about the ‘Islamic-Chinese’ terror of expansionism in the ‘Himalayas’, which are, ‘The Indian Lands’ like the PSB(Punjab, Sindh and Bengal). Read all about it in the Book: “India Divided Religion ‘Then’ 1947(East-West) ‘Now’ What Languages(North-South)? ISBN:9781462639755)” by ‘Mohin Jadarro Harappa’/PublishAmerica, and buy at, http://www.publishamerica.net/
One could...even if a little painfully...listen to Mr. Walt's opinions if they were said with some civility. But when he disses others' opinions by calling them "bogus" and "contorted," his own views become suspect -- because we don't really know if he disagrees on the merits or because he simply doesn't like Israel, Israelis and (perhaps Jews in general?).
Since you offer no rebuttal to Walt's facts or logic, you must accept his argument. By that token, "bogus" and "contorted" seem appropriate characterizations of the NYT op-ed he criticizes.
Now, let's talk about you. Is it your opinion that one cannot disagree with the view of an Israeli without, perhaps, being anti-semitic? Do you not believe that Americans are allowed to discuss freely and analytically their own national security? Are we supposed to defer to any particular foreign power(s)?
Echoing your post, perhaps you do not like Americans. Maybe you just view them as tools?
Listen to me AKIVA.. maybe Walt is much more polite then am.. but I can say with all clarity.. its very easy to hate people like you. Your smugness is repulsive. Your dripping with the puss of someone who love to be a victim. I understand what Israel is to and does to America.. and I hate it! If that means I hate people like you.. great! Lets get that snake up on the table and talk about it. You American Zionists are a miserable group of blood suckers, stuck between your love of a foreign nation and your guilt for living here and not there. So you send your money and treat it like a mistress. Your kind attempt to sooth your conscience by working vigorously to promote a concept that is inherently flawed.. which is American support for Israel is logical. The truth is you wring your hands when you see an opportunity to spew your well crafted words. Simply stated, what you are doing is making it very easy for people (Americans) to hate Jews. Trust me, it will end badly for you.
He is not dissing "opinions" here, he is pointing out that the Israeli is lying to his readers. Given that these lies are being used as propaganda to mobilize the American people in going to war against Iran, which is what Israel wants but very few clear thinking Americans do, Walt is being most civil using the terms bogus and contorted. The fact it is lying propaganda on Israel's behalf and it is not uncivil to point that out.
This is bigoted and does not belong here.
since chris wants to psychoanalyze Jews
I suggest we psychoanalyze him. I think his hatred of Jews and Israel stems from him being emasculated too many times and having a very small manhood.
There is no obvious plan for nuclear bomb nor Iranians would dare to cause a war in the region. The country is already isolated, their only insurance, the oil, would be all gone if they start a war. No other country would be on their side, not even their long term insurance, Russia & China. Having said that, we do not have money to fight another war either. Rather than trying to fix the economy, I cannot believe that the politicians are competing to see who can scare people into voting them to bomb Iran. This is the insurance we need for us? This is the insurance we need for our families? no.
listen up bro; im a jew, a secular regular jew, who laughs at scumbags like you and I would shit down your throat if you ever got within 5 feet of me.
go fuck yourself you cocksucking motherfucker
"But when he disses others' opinions by calling them "bogus" "
An odd argument.
I have read this article too, and I came to understand that Walt calls this opinion "bogus" because that opinion Is In Conflict With The Available Facts.
He, apparently, holds to the view that when "opinion" and "fact" collide then you call out the former as "bogus".
You, apparently, hold to the view that when "opinion" and "fact" collide then we pretend that the facts aren't there, all the better to cling to our opinion.
Would that be about right, Akiva?
so much for your standards of civility
One could...even if a little painfully...listen to Zionist's opinions if they were said with some civility... But, I find it the heart of hypocrisy that the sophistic Zionists resort to fallacious thinking. They have but one hackneyed fallacy they've worn holes into, it's ad-hominem, and the projection you do her is telling of either such profound psychosis, or utter petty, hypocritical, sophistic arguments.
Anyone familiar with Walt already knows the answer
" because we don't really know if he disagrees on the merits or because he simply doesn't like Israel, Israelis and (perhaps Jews in general?)."
Given the kind of flunkies he seems to attract, the constant rehashing of sub-Protocols of Elders of Zion claptrap and tendency to sling personal ad hominem invective against opposing views, its safe to say, its the latter. Either the guy is an anti-semitic bigot, or just found a great way to appeal to them as a regular audience.
He is just a new version of the same old far-left anti-semtiic hacks who have been inhabiting academia for an unseemly amount of time.
german and russian khazars are not semites. you are not a semite. Walt believes the US should stop putting Isreal before its own interests. Theres nothing hateful about that. Most americans would love for our government to disassociate completely from isreal. Like Robert gates said "they are an ungrateful ally" and they provide us with nothing. Cut ties to isreal and just buy oil on the market like everyone else, you act like you need to force the arabs to sell the only commodity they have
You couldn't help with making sub-stormfront comments. Walt is obviously much better at hiding his anti-semitic discourse than you are. You aren't even bothering to deny it.
For the most part Walt's flunkies seem to trade in flinging insults, slinging half-truths or outright fictions. They can't carry on a conversation without it devolving into "THE EVIL ZIONIST PLOT!!!"
"Given the kind of flunkies he seems to attract, "
I have seen no evidence that Walt uses any sort of vetting system for who can and can't post on his talkback, which means that your argument is utterly pointless.
Touch a sore spot did i? Hmmm, very telling.
My latest article on Iran."The US and its European allies should shift away from insisting on what Iranian government cannot have toward offering Tehran a raft of genuine incentives." argues iPolitiquest, adding that neither sanctions nor the idea of a pre-emptive strike can be considered effective tools to counter Iran.
http://www.ipolitiquest.com/2012/02/us-israel-vs-iran-requiem-for-diplobamacy/
The stand-off over Iran’s nuclear program has taken a turn for the worse in recent months as the leaders of the Islamic Republic and Israel continue to trade shrill and menacing exchanges amid a background rife with mistrust borne of lack of communication. Last week, major global news networks, newspapers and blogs turned the spotlight on the constant war of words and blistering bellicosity, which have reached a fever pitch between Iran, Israel and the US.
To bomb Iran or not is now the perplexing question riddled with extremely puzzling ifs and buts, inattention to which would risk triggering all-out Armageddon with potentially cataclysmic consequences. In the meantime, Israel Defense Minister Ehud Barak has urged the US and EU leaders to tighten sanctions on Iran before the country enters a “zone of immunity”. The phrase refers to a vaguely defined point beyond which Iran could potentially produce weapon fuel without fear of an air attack. The Israeli regime seem to be chomping at the bit to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities that are dispersed throughout the country, making the job of carrying out a surgical attack similar to that of Israeli strikes against Iraq in 1981 and Syria in 2007 all the more difficult and indeed costly. The Iranian regime, on the other hand, seems to be hell-bent on going ahead with its nuclear agenda, warning Tel Aviv officials that it will launch a pre-emptive military strike against Israel if it really senses an attack is imminent. Largely ignored amid tug of war is a slightest degree of attention toward the devastating impacts of ever tightening sanctions on more than 70 million Iranians.
iPolitiquest argues that of all the proposed options by the West in dealing with Iran’s nuclear ambitions, neither sanctions nor the idea of a pre-emptive strike are useful and effective foreign policy tools in dealing with the Islamic Republic, and that the US and its European allies should shift away from insisting on what Iranian government cannot have toward offering Tehran a raft of genuine incentives. As former Swedish Foreign Minister and ex-director of IAEA, Hans Blix once stated, its is formidably difficult to scare a country away from going for nuclear weapons. “Carrots are better for persuading them.” In their quest to resolve the long-standing dispute with Iran, the US and the EU should gear toward diplomacy as a conduit through which persistent miscalculations and lack of communication can be replaced with calculated measures and constructive communication aimed at securing the interests of all disputing parties without having to recourse to any military confrontation or any other forms of kinetic reaction.
Tightening the noose around Iran
The United States imposed sanctions on Iran following the Islamic revolution of 1979, while the recent four sets of UN sanctions and a raft of unilateral US and European Union sanctions appear to have paralyzed the country’s economy. The primary purpose of enforcing sanctions is to force the regime to come to the negotiating table on the off chance that it halts its nuclear enrichment activities. Another objective long pursued by the US in line with its sanction policies toward Iran is to generate public discontent in the hope that such growing sense of disillusionment would ultimately translate into public pressure on the government to change its behavior or face its downfall. It is worthwhile to note that high-handed policies such as sanction have so far not borne fruition, as Tehran remains as obstinate as it has ever been throughout more than thirty years since the Islamic Revolution. It is also noteworthy to mention that unlike mainstream view among many US policy makers and analysts, the intensification of sanctions will not result in capitulation of Tehran to the pestering demands of the West in the face of existing threats. Quite conversely, the sting of sanctions has harmed only the ordinary Iranian people, whose dreams of cultivating an indigenous democracy trickled away in blood during post-election unrest in 2009.The sentiments of Iranians were bruised and battered when they witnessed the American and the West’s insouciance towards grave violations of human rights committed by the regime. Four years on, the US and its European allies are still fixated on the dangers of Iran’s possible acquisition of nuclear weapons, instead of scrutinizing Iran’s human rights abuses, the former relates to the regime’s fortes and the latter its foibles. But how do they differ? Unquestionably, pressurizing Iran over its nuclear agenda is somehow synonymous with dealing with the regime through its point of strength, because the nuclear issue is indeed popular among peoples of various stripes and is widely regarded as a matter of national pride, meaning that Iran will not change its behaviors when its right is being put into question by the outsiders. It is important to emphasize that the West is inadvertently playing into the hands of the regime by tightening its sanctions mainly because Tehran, if need be, will try every means to capitalize on the public sentiments and mobilize people around its inalienable right to achieving peaceful nuclear energy under Article IV of Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). In contrast to dealing with Iran via its point of strength, the west can deal with the Iranian government through its weakest point exemplified by its human rights violations that need to be properly addressed and be brought into the global gaze. All in all, the Iranian government huffs and puffs about its nuclear capabilities as well as its readiness for going to war on Israel mainly because it deliberately intends to deviate attentions away from the dire human rights conditions in the country toward the nuclear issue. There is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb, as a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate suggest, but there is concrete evidence that Iran has breached its obligations and duties under international law to respect, to protect and to fulfill human rights. Only by focusing on human rights concerns can the US stand a chance to earn Iranians’ trust in good intentions, and not ulterior motives, of Washington to support a democratic Iran.
Proponents of sanctions assume that there is a positive relationship between broad economic embargoes and democratization. Some scholars have found in sanctions limited success. Meanwhile opponents of sanctions portray a different outlook and give a complex, nuanced picture of the factors that make for the success and failure of economic sanctions. Gary Clyde Hufbauer, Jeffrey J. Schott, and Kimberly Ann Elliot, in Economic Sanctions Reconsidered: History and Current Policy argue that of 116 cases of sanctions since 1914, only 34 percent have been successful. According to the Economist Intelligence Unit 2010 Index of Democracy, of the 88 non-democratic states, 71 percent have been under economic sanctions. Twelve of these 63 states—Burma, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Liberia, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, Vietnam, and Zimbabwe—have had broad sanctions imposed on them in the form of financial, trade, or oil embargoes. All twelve withstood the pervasive embargoes without any sign of democratic change. What do all these hard evidence indicate? Sanctions are mostly ineffective and in the case of Iran it will only hurt the Iranian people.
Lost in the discourse of war
Just as the drums of war are beating louder than ever, a recent IAEA report revealed that Iran has tripled its capacity to enrich uranium to 20-percent purity since November, and was now producing around 14 kilos of uranium per month, with around 105 kilos already stockpiled. Enriching uranium to 20 percent is considered a major breakthrough towards purifying it to the 90-percent level needed for a nuclear weapon, although Iran denies intending to do so, insisting that its nuclear activities are entirely for peaceful purposes. Hours after the report was released, a statement from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office noted: “The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency gives added proof that Israeli beliefs are true” about Iran’s nuclear program. The report is expected to fan the flames of a fiendish rhetoric between Tel Aviv and Tehran even further, to the point of a military confrontation. But if Israel takes the initiative and carries out a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facility, some analysts argue that Tehran will leave the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), a likelihood that would leave no room for any attempt to use bargaining and diplomacy. The question is Israel may succeed in destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities but would it be successful in pulverizing the knowhow of Iranian scientists? The conundrum is that if Iran, on the other hand, succeeds in developing a nuclear warhead, would it use it against Israelis or it will use it as deterrence against both domestic and external threats, particularly at a time when Iranian people are blaming the government for economic downturn and the US keenly entertains the thought of regime-change. “Iran doesn’t want a nuclear weapon to attack Israel,” said Giora Eiland, the former head of Israel’s National Security Council who is now a senior research associate at Tel Aviv University’s Institute for National Security Studies. “What they want is regional deterrence,” Meanwhile, military experts close to the Pentagon caution that Israelis have to use at least 100 planes to bomb Iran’s nuclear sites, their pilots would have to fly more than 1,000 miles across unfriendly airspace (possibly Turkey, Iraq and Saudi Arabia), refuel in the air en route, fight off Iran’s air defenses and strike multiple underground facilities at a same time. Any such attempt by Israel in conducting a surgical military strike on Iran’s nuclear sites would have consequences too ghastly for Tel Aviv to contemplate. Regardless of the possibility that it could also light the fuse for World War III, any unilateral military strike against Iran could be rendered and mistranslated by the Iranian government as an all-out attack on Muslims all across the world.
At this juncture, it is ringingly clear that the US is lukewarm about the idea of going to war in Iran, particularly because Washington believes that diplomacy has not been exhausted despite Iran’s recalcitrance to stoop to the demands of the international community. “Contrary to common perceptions, diplomacy has not been exhausted. In fact, it didn’t even fail – it was prematurely abandoned,” argues Iranian International Relations scholar and president of the National Iranian American Council, adding that” As I describe in ‘A Single Roll of the Dice – Obama’s Diplomacy with Iran’, Barack Obama’s political maneuverability for diplomacy with Iran was limited – and whatever political space he had, it was quickly eaten up by pressure from Congress, Israel, Saudi Arabia and most importantly, by the actions of the Iranian government itself in the fraudulent 2009 elections. It is widely argued that US President Barack Obama squandered a unique opportunity to engage in direct diplomacy with Iran in October 2009 when Chief negotiator Saeed Jalili spoke with William Burns in the first senior US-Iran bilateral meeting for three decades. It is not the first time that Washington has missed the chance of rapprochement with Tehran during more than thirty years of mutual mistrust. In his recent book, Parsi casts a harsh spotlight on the diplomatic front, recalling that in May 2003, only weeks after US troops had overthrown Saddam, Iran offered comprehensive talks with the US, while giving unprecedented concessions to the later. Widely deemed as unthinkable and inexplicably unprecedented, many analysts were astounded by the main planks of the Iranian offer, but when the proposal reached the Oval Office, it was rejected by George W. Bush!
As the specter of war with Iran looms large these days, I`m puzzled why a country which is encircled by a galaxy of US military bases and has not waged any war against any other sovereign states in over 400 years, is falsely and ignorantly being portrayed as a threat to the global security and peace. Let’s not forget that under the UN Charter, all states have a right to self-defense and that only the UN Security Council can authorize the use of force against another country. Lost in the discourse of war amidst the requiem for diplomacy is even the slightest bit of attention to the predicament of the Iranian people. In either scenario, whether a war breaks out or sanctions keep biting, the people would suffer the most, least that they become real victims of power politics. Diplomacy beams whenever the whims of war grow dim.
After the 1981 Osirak bombing by Israel, Iraq did redouble its efforts to get a nuke. But without this key reactor, and fearing to build another central site, Iraq was set back years in being able to produce a nuke. Thus, redoubled efforts or not, Iraq was never again so close to having a nuke.
Iraq Goes Underground
Following the bombing of the Osiraq reactor, Iraq decided to: (1) replace the Osiraq reactor or to develop a heavy water or enriched uranium reactor and associated plutonium separation capability; and (2) develop a uranium enrichment production capacity.
Iraq tried to replace the Osiraq reactor, but by 1985, it realized that it could not buy a replacement. Before the bombing, Iraq had developed plans and purchased some minor items for a 20- to 40-megawatt heavy water natural uranium reactor. After delays in buying a replacement reactor, Iraq decided to pursue this reactor project again. In the late 1980s, however, it put its plans on hold, facing resource limitations. But Iraq continued its efforts to learn how to separate plutonium from irradiated fuel and to make heavy water. Depending on the success of the enrichment programs, Iraq may have reconstituted the nuclear reactor project.
Even before the Israeli bombing of the Osiraq reactor, Iraqi scientists had been evaluating the development of uranium enrichment technologies. However, Iraq has declared that a decision by the Iraqi leadership to pursue these options came after the June 1981 bombing. An Iraqi evaluation finished in 1981 concluded that electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS) was the most appropriate technology for Iraq and that gaseous diffusion was the next most appropriate option. Gaseous diffusion was planned to produce low--enriched uranium (LEU) which could be used as a feedstock for EMIS, dramatically increasing overall HEU production in EMIS separators. If EMIS was unsuccessful, the plan called for expanding the gaseous diffusion facility to produce HEU directly. At the time, gas centrifuge technology was viewed as too difficult to accomplish. (See below.)
EMIS
The goal of the EMIS program was to build two production units, each able to achieve 15 kilograms per year of weapons-grade uranium using natural uranium feed. Iraqi estimates of the HEU output using LEU feed (enriched to 2.5 percent uranium-235) vary between roughly 25 kilograms and 50 kilograms of weapons-grade uranium per year. The variation reflects different plant designs and performance uncertainties.
After several years of research and development work of mixed success, Iraq nonetheless started in 1987 to build its first EMIS production facility at Tarmiya, north of Baghdad. Also in late 1987, Iraq decided to build a replica of Tarmiya at Al Sharqat, about 200 kilometers northwest of Baghdad. This facility, which was built by Iraqis only, was originally viewed as a second production site that would come into operation roughly at the same time as Tarmiya. In the late 1980s, this plan was modified to one where Al Sharqat would operate after Tarmiya was finished. Iraq also sought unsafeguarded LEU on the international market during the late 1980s. However, it has declared that its search was half-hearted and unsuccessful. Whether this declaration is complete is unclear. As of 1997, the Action Team had not pursued this issue further.
The EMIS program faced repeated delays and technical problems, and by the time of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Tarmiya was at least a year behind schedule. At that time, Tarmiya was not expected to produce its first goal quantity of weapons-grade uranium, or 15 kilograms, until at least 1992, assuming that the plant would function well and that a stock of LEU would be used. If natural uranium was used, the date for the production of the first goal quantity would have been 1993 or later.
Because of the large size of EMIS facilities, few expect Iraq to try to secretly rebuild its EMIS production facilities. In addition, it still has to overcome several technical problems, including problems in vacuum technology and ion sources, before its separators would work properly. Armed with a stock of LEU, however, Iraq could produce 15 kilograms per year of weapons-grade uranium with a facility about one-third the size of Tarmiya.
Enrichment Options
By 1987 or 1988, when it became apparent to the Iraqi leadership that the gaseous diffusion program was not progressing well, Iraq decided to de-emphasize this effort. It instead concentrated on chemical enrichment as a source of LEU feedstock for the EMIS program. By 1990, Iraq had made little progress in building a chemical enrichment plant. However, both programs could be reconstituted, although substantial technical challenges would need to be overcome before Iraq could operate production-scale facilities.
After the cancellation of the gaseous diffusion program, the team started to work on gas centrifuges. The team had already been transferred from the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center to a new site on the northern edge of Baghdad near Rashdiya, later named the Engineering Design Center (EDC). This change reflected a change of authority from the Atomic Energy Establishment to the Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization.
This group managed to acquire extensive overseas cooperation in designing and building gas centrifuges, so much so that inspectors have characterized the assistance as key to progress in the centrifuge program.
Despite such help, at the time of the Gulf War, Iraq was still a few years from an operating plant able to produce goal quantities of weapons-grade uranium, declared by the centrifuge program as 1,000 centrifuges producing 10 kilograms of weapons-grade uranium per year. Because of the relatively small size of a gas centrifuge program and the extensive progress made before the war, Iraq is viewed as likely to reconstitute its gas centrifuge program.
Weaponization
Iraq's effort to produce a nuclear explosive started in the mid-1980s. Under a 1988 plan, Iraq intended to have its first weapon by the summer of 1991, based on an implosion design. Iraq had worked on developing the capability to make fissile material for many years prior to this date, and Iraq has explained that the decision at that particular time reflected the expectation that domestically produced HEU would become available within a few years. Iraq intended that its nuclear weapons would be put on ballistic missiles. Iraq faced many problems in trying to reduce and ruggedize its design to fit on top of a ballistic missile.
Questions remain about the status of Iraq's weaponization program at the time of the allied bombing campaign in January 1991, when most activities were halted. Nevertheless, the Action Team inspectors have concluded that with the accelerated effort under the crash program, Iraq could have finished a nuclear explosive design by the end of 1991, if certain technical problems were overcome. However, it would have needed longer to prove a design for the Al Hussein missile. This missile, for example, would have required a warhead with a diameter of 70 centimeters to 80 centimeters, much smaller than the diameter of the design nearing completion that had a diameter of about 120 centimeters.
Iraq was also planning to build a nuclear test site, called the Al Sahara Project. At the time of the allied bombing campaign, Iraq had picked candidate sites in southwest Iraq but it had not performed a site investigation. In addition, according to a senior Iraqi nuclear official, Iraq did not plan to conduct a test before it had accumulated a few nuclear weapons. Iraq has stated that it planned to develop confidence in its weapon designs through an extensive experimental testing program that stopped short of a full-scale nuclear test.
Crash Program
By the time Iraq invaded Kuwait, Iraq still lacked an indigenous source of fissile material; its enrichment plants were still far away from producing HEU. In mid-August 1990, the Iraqi leadership ordered the diversion of its stock of safeguarded HEU fuel. Iraq's initial plan was to extract the HEU from the fuel, further enrich a portion of it, and build a nuclear weapon. The goal was to execute this plan within six months, although by the time of the allied bombing campaign in mid-January 1991 which stopped the effort, Iraq had fallen several months behind. A nuclear warhead for a ballistic missile would have taken significantly longer.
It's easy to spot the flaw in this rant.
It comes so early.....
Right about here, in fact: "Following the bombing of the Osiraq reactor, Iraq decided to: (1) replace the Osiraq reactor or to develop a heavy water or enriched uranium reactor and associated plutonium separation capability; and (2) develop a uranium enrichment production capacity."
There is a very good reason why Iraq wanted to replace Osirak with Something Different following that raid.
That reason was this: that raid prodded them into an attempt to build nukes, and the design of the original Osirak reactor was such that it very good for producing electricty but was quite useless for producing nukes.
Or, put another way: Israel attacked a purely civilian reactor, and so incensed Iraq that they were determined to replace it with something much more sinister.
Attacking Iran, who is in total compliance with the IAEA and the nuclear non-proliferation treaty would destroy that treaty. Iran would never be discouraged from seeking again. A nuclear armed country's use of nuke threats against a non-nuke country voids the treaty itself. So, WE'VE violated the NPT while Iran remains in (nominal) compliance. Much like those who always call others name callers, a mirror and some self awareness is needed. Sadly, we've used to mirror to sink into narcissism and have become totally detached from reality, or from being able to understand the perspective of not only Iran, but truly independent states.
because he fails to consider intervening forces. History is not so linear. Israel knocked out Iraq's Osirak facility. That delayed the Iraqis for years from having the bomb. Then, the Gulf War came which finally put an end to any realistic plans for Iraq to get the bomb.
How about this? What if Israel did nothing in 1981, and Iraq invaded Kuwait, and then planned to invade Saudi Arabia? What would we have done then, if Iraq had nukes?
Same thing with Iran...with time comes more options, comes intervening forces, comes changes.
Unicorns and leprechauns were to fly out of your ass? The facts, the record, history makes your argument so hypothetical, so divorced from reality that there's no sense in exploring your little fantasy.
why is this zionist hiding behind a muslim screename. You think your fooling anyone? Dumb shapeshifter. Iran will probably have nukes, the US is just trying to buy time until isreal cant attack and drag us into it. Just use your 2nd passport to go to france
Professor Walt
I respect your arguments, and what I write below does not necessarily negate or nullify them. I do question the extension to which you have become emotionally in this fray has impacted your analysis (i.e., the extent to which emotion is trumping cognition, all of us being imperfect boundedly rational cognitive misers at best). What has struck me of late has been the extent to which scholarship has undermined the general consensus that the Iraq War was a bad idea: Robert Jervis's work on the Intelligence Community has concluded that while its judgment regarding WMDs was *wrong,* it was not necessarily *unreasonable;* and for another example, the work of Kevin Woods et al (e.g., "Saddam's Generals," published by the Institute for Defense Analyses, as well as the "Iraqi Perspectives Project," published by or for Joint Forces Command) portray Saddam as quite bizarre and rather from any semblance of someone resembling the rational actor construct that theories of deterrence perhaps require. While I understand you do not want to bog yourself down in the comments - a perfectly understandable and justifiable course of action - I would be most intrigued if you would potentially address what I would term this revisionist historiography of the Iraq War and the debate prior to its run up (e.g., the work of Jervis and Woods) as well as any reflections on being a participant in as well as a spectator of current events.
Regards
A former student
I don't think you really understand who has the attachment to the region. Walt is arguing for US centric US policy. Why should we cede our foreign policy to the most radical faction in Israel? Don't you think Zionists and Jews are emotionally attached to Israel? Is it conceivable that many Jews are so scarred from the Holocaust that they are hyper-emotionally sensitive?
What scholarship are you talking about. Every suspected factory we could identify was searched by arms inspectors. We were looking through the mustard jars in Saddam's palaces. There's no scholarship suggesting the Iraq war was in anyway successful. What on earth did we gain? A more unstable middle east. A country that so resents us they don't want to do business with us. A country that was moved closer to our putative enemy? There has been too little reflection on what a utter fucking disaster Iraq was. It really pisses me off the sophistic, sorry reasoning of Harvard and Ivy league students. You are sycophants, and just seek your chance to game the system. You're not that well rounded, and are cloistered from reality.
Before the war, our intel agencies said Saddam was no threat to do anything unless we attacked. Up until the end, he was seeking rapprochement with the US. He even offered to step down, and move into exile with his son's on the eve of the war (perhaps an empty offer) but we never took him up on it. Now Quaddaffi is arguably just as "irrational" as Saddam. He also never stopped seeking rapprochement with the West. He DID have WMD though he never used them. I don't know how you'd suggest some self serving shrink suggests that Saddam might have been paranoid (for good reason) and wants to extrapolate. Get a life, get a clue, get an idea of what real history, analysis are.
I have to note that Mr. Walt is also guilty of being misleading in this article. In his article Syria and Iraq are linked together on Israel bombing their facilities, but he completely omits any mention of how Syria reacted to the bombing.The reason why is obvious, the case of Iraq better supports his argument but the absence of Syria is still a flaw that can't be overlooked. As this stands we don't know if all governments will have a stronger resolution to acquire a nuclear deterrent in response to attacks. It is entirely possible that government type or national history might lead to different results.
we've created an incentive for countries to surreptitiously acquire nukes. Your conclusions do not follow from your empty set speculation.
If the U.S and/or Israel has created an incentive that still doesn't take into account the Syrian example.
Besides that you apparently didn't actually read my comment as if you had you would have known that I did not state any real conclusions. I stated that Mr. Walt first included a nation (Syria) in his example when it was convenient and then ignored the nation when it was not, something that I do not give him slack for because Mr. Walt is a published political scientist and not a student.
I will reiterate my 'conclusion' if you can call it that. I conclude that this does not provide strong evidence one way or the other and it is entirely possible that the type of regime or the history of the nation is what is most important in determining whether or not military strikes would be effective. That does not automatically mean that they will be useful in Iran or that they will not.
Has asking for more information about nations that sought nuclear weapons (including ones that the author mentions but does not properly look into) suddenly become standing on a soap-box?
Push comes to shove they call for war like all the mainstream media.
Why is Israel bullying Iran? They have 300 nukes after all.
im gonna skip the fluff and get right to it
walt is an anti semite hiding behind the curtain of academia...as if being an academic precludes one from being a racist. All walt does is write predominantly on one subject ...israel. Its like the UN where quite disproportionately, all they do is censure israel whereas the wrongs of all the rest of the world go unoticed. I mean, where the hell is richard goldstone and navi pillay and the hrc and the security council on syria where a real slaughter is taking place? where is goddamn obama? people are dying in syria DAILY for MONTHS and MONTHS.
I am quite satisfied that yadlin knows whats going on inisde iran far better than what walt thinks he knows in his anti american anti israel ivory tower at harvard, home of the saudi dirty money that funds his tripe and the BS one state conference garbage.
get real walt. yadlin actually knows facts whereas you know crapass propaganda. I find it quite curious how you continuously are so cavalier about israel's security. You dont have to be a jew to care you moron....just like I care about france's security, or england's, or germany's....so too do I care about israel's.
walt, you are a stain on harvard. your cottage industry of hate and the followers you have engendered are pure sleeze.
Iran is developing nukes and every serious expert knows it. The ONLY reason you are arguing for a grand bargain or whatever it is you believe in is because you are shilling for obama's re-election....iran is a menace, and despite dagans best efforts with things like stuxnet, it wont be stopped and containment cannot be relied on. Its quite possible that dagan has alterior political aspirations and motives in mind for his own selfish reasons...and barak doesnt think iran with nukes is an existential threat..no- he believes it will survive a war with iran that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths but that israel can withstand it and will in fact destroy iran in any counterstrike ..barak does not want this to happen BUT will fight to the death if need be. Is it existential? maybe, maybe not, but that's not a worry for armchair academics at harvard is it!..no, its israels concern you asshole. if oil skyrockets as a result of a middle east war, there will be no one else to blame but iran itself and the western media who have been living in denial...all of this was avoidable ,...there is PLENTY of blame to go around...but none of it rests with israel. Blame iran, blame russia, blame china, blame the EU, blame obama. They have helped to create this miss. If no one else will stop it, I assure you israel will.
hey your a khazar you arent a semite, shut ur face. He wants the US to look out for its own interests and not isreals. Screaming anti semite is not only pathetic and funny it wrecks of desperations because alot of people are taking up Walts viewpoints. Soon the US will treat isreal like it treats spain, and theres nothing you can do about that. Good luck when obama is in term 2
Why don't you please move to Israel? Why do you not live here? Or is it that perhaps you are a dual citizen?
There is no guess work on my part to know you are Jewish.. I’ll suggest the religion of your birth is clouding your thinking and you are not able to think clearly about this highly charged topic. From what you’ve written one would have to wonder what side your patriotism is.
What if they get the bomb and they use it?
If I was spouting off about killing co-workers and then a co-worker saw me walking into a gun store what conclussion would they draw? If they say nothing and I go on a rampage how would that sit with the families of the vicitms?
It seems to me that Iran is doing nothing to assuage everyones fears.
What if a coworker were repeatedly misquoting the coworker? What if facts continually showed that the one coworker is totally paranoid and the other is simply in total compliance with the law? What if the worried coworker had 200 guns himself. What if he had gotten into 7 fights with his neighbor in his short 50yr tenure? What if this paranoid coworker had attacked all it's neighbors in unprovoked wars? What if that coworker had pushed the walls of his cubicle into the cubicles of each of his neighbors? I'd drop the paranoid coworker that blames everyone else for being upset with his own aggression, transgressions, and utter failure to see their own role in a ruined atmosphere?
wow dude scott owned you into oblivion. If i was iran id get nukes and then watch the US come to a compromise which would cause isreal to be tossed under the bus, i guess thats why they are frieking out so bad. Let this be a lesson.......Dont F with the Persians
If we were to seriously consider it, the correct analogy w.r.t. Netanyahu's obsessive desire to attack Iran would be much more like this:
1) You spout off about killing a co-worker.
2) That co-worker thinks: Gosh! What if you get a gun and come after me????
3) So he goes about blowing up every gun shop in town, on the theory that this would prevent you from ever being able to procure a gun.
Sounds crazy when put that way, but just substitute
You = Iran
He = Israel
Gun Shops = Iran's nuclear facilities
and that's what Netanyahu claims to be "self-defence".
So let me see if I get Walt's logic.... It would be counterproductive to stop Iran from getting the bomb, since this would convince them to get one (or several).
But if the west's objective is to not let Iran have the bomb, then the west needs to stop them from getting it. But we can't stop them from getting it, since that would convince them the need to have more. checkmate or mindmelt (take your choice)
So I'm confused. Does the good professor argue that we should not take any action against Iran getting the bomb? My understanding is yes. So we have to wonder why professor Walt wants Iran to have the bomb.
It would be wrong to break the treaty that currently restrains Iran from pursuing nukes. It would be wrong to provoke Iran to remove the cameras that record all their uranium stockpiles. It would be wrong to destroy the very program that restrains them. You ARE indeed confused. Do yourself a favor, don't embarrass yourself like this again.
so if this treaty (with it's associated cameras) you mentioned is doing such a great job of restraining Iran, why all the new sanctions?? Is there something going on that the cameras aren't currently watching?
are not only applied by the US. take a look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran
The UN has multiple sanctions on Iran. The EU, Switzerland, Japan, India, etc...
So my question is still valid. If NPT is working (according to Walt) then why do we need more sanctions. If NPT isn't working, then we probably need to concede that Iran needs to be stopped in some other way.
The good professor realizes the west is POWERLESS to stop iran from getting nukes. War isnt an option and will still lead to iranian nukes, sanctions arent working because china wont let them. If iran is going to go nuclear no matter what why start a war thats gonna shred our national interests and do deep economical damage? To satisfy isreal?
Iran is getting nukes, the US tried everything and it failed. Nothing can be done at this point. Just accept it
"So my question is still valid. If NPT is working (according to Walt) then why do we need more sanctions. If NPT isn't working, then we probably need to concede that Iran needs to be stopped in some other way."
Good luck expecting an intelligent, informed response to that.
If Iran really wanted to adhere to the letter and spirit of the NPT it would be far more cooperative and responsive to questions concerning their program.
Walt has an anti-American/anti-Israel agenda he needs to push in order to keep from being dismissed by the public as a mediocre talentless hack. So he needs to claim that Iran has purely peaceful intentions and is just being picked on.
His flunkies don't give a crap one way or the other. If Iran is building a nuke, good for them, they can wipe out Israel if Iran isn't building a nuke they are being attacked by the evil zionist plot. They will argue both mutually contradictory positions because there is no need for intellectual honesty or consistency with such a POV. Its merely a means to an end.When flustered they will just resort to incogerent anti-semitic ramblings.
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Frankly I don't think Iran is building a nuke, but they are building a controversy over giving the appearance to do so. This whole thing is being discussed far too out in the open to take it seriously. Both a nuclear weapons program and military actions against them require quite a bit of secrecy to work. So far neither Iran not the west have been particularly discrete. Its grand opera on a global scale.
Iran is bluffing, the US and Israel don't want to show their hands. Everyone uses the manufactured international incident to score brownie points domestically. It all gets resolved in some "backroom deal".
SPOOD asks a flawed question.....
SPOOD: "If NPT is working (according to Walt) then why do we need more sanctions. If NPT isn't working, then we probably need to concede that Iran needs to be stopped in some other way"
I believe that is the same "logic" led the USA to attack Iraq in 2003.
The problem: the people championing that attack based their "logic" on a flawed assumption (i.e. that Iraq had WMD) and so they felt perfectly entitled to act *as* *if* that assumption was true, even though *it* *wasn't*.
You'd think that "once bitten, twice shy" would apply......
But, no, SPOOD is basing his questions on an assumption i.e. Iran is attempting to build nukes and, therefore, the USA etc., are *entitled* to sanction the shit outta Iran and/or are *entitled* to bomb it back to the stone age.
Q: But what if the underlying assumption (i.e. Iran is intent on building nukes) isn't true?
A: Those sanctions and/or military attacks are nothing but the bastard acts of stupid people.
"Is there something going on that the cameras aren't currently watching?"
Well, yeah, but that's because there are no cameras installed in the Oval Office or in Netanyahu's cabinet room.
Fact: In 2003 the weapons inspectors could find no evidence of Iraqi WMD
Fact: That made no difference to the west's belief that Iraqi had WMD.
Fact: The west acted upon that belief, despite the lack of evidence
Fact: They. Were. Wrong.
"So I'm confused. Does the good professor argue that we should not take any action against Iran getting the bomb?"
That sentence requires us to accept that this is true: Iran is "getting the bomb".
That is an assumption i.e. it is not a self-evident truth.
And, of course, if it **isn't** true then any "action" that is being taken against Iran is An Act Of Bastardry By A Bunch Of Paranoids.
Try reading the sactions Dilbert
>> So let me see if I get Walt's logic.... It would be counterproductive to stop Iran from getting the bomb, since this would convince them to get one (or several).
Good luck expecting an intelligent, informed response to that.
No Dilbert, seeing as all US and ISraeli ontelligence agencies agree Iran is not tryign to get one, it would be a bad idea to bomb Iran's civlian nuclear facilities because it might convincen them they need nukes.
>> So my question is still valid. If NPT is working (according to Walt) then why do we need more sanctions. If NPT isn't working, then we probably need to concede that Iran needs to be stopped in some other way.
No it's not valid, it's based on ignorance.
If you are to read the sanctions, you would know that there is no mrntion of Iran is in violation of the NPT. All 16 US intelligence agencies and Mossad agree Iran is not even tryign to produce nukes, so what is it that needs to be stopped?
Try reading the sactions Dilbert
>> So let me see if I get Walt's logic.... It would be counterproductive to stop Iran from getting the bomb, since this would convince them to get one (or several).
Good luck expecting an intelligent, informed response to that.
No Dilbert, seeing as all US and ISraeli ontelligence agencies agree Iran is not tryign to get one, it would be a bad idea to bomb Iran's civlian nuclear facilities because it might convincen them they need nukes.
>> So my question is still valid. If NPT is working (according to Walt) then why do we need more sanctions. If NPT isn't working, then we probably need to concede that Iran needs to be stopped in some other way.
No it's not valid, it's based on ignorance.
If you are to read the sanctions, you would know that there is no mrntion of Iran is in violation of the NPT. All 16 US intelligence agencies and Mossad agree Iran is not even tryign to produce nukes, so what is it that needs to be stopped?
Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University.
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